Not the Oryans/IEs again. Not interested anymore. But I've something to remark on this bit:
<!--QuoteBegin-acharya+May 25 2007, 06:05 AM-->QUOTE(acharya @ May 25 2007, 06:05 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->What is wrong with this
<!--QuoteBegin--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Eg..,
"Navagathe" in Sanskrit is "Navigation" in English<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->[right][snapback]69305[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->Ummmm, though I'd never taken Latin myself, it doesn't take a genius to guess that Navigation came from French (and hence Latin) into English. And since guessing isn't worth anything, I looked it up in my <b>'The Concise Oxford Dictionary'</b> (are they kidding by the way - what do they mean with 'concise'? It's so heavy and bulky that it could be used as a fatal weapon in evil but capable hands).
Anyway, this dictionary happens to be more useful in that it gives the etymology of words. And for <b>Navigate</b> it says:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->[f. L <i>navigare</i> (<i>navis</i> ship, <i>agere</i> drive) + -ATE]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Expanding this, it says "<b>from Latin</b> <i>navigare</i> (<i>navis</i> ship, <i>agere</i> drive) + -ATE"
Hence navigate. (For Navigation it gives a similar, but with intermediate in French before the word made it into English, and refers back to the entry for Navigate.)
Who is that comedian who wrote that the word was English? Yes, 'navigate' and related 'navigation' can be found in use in English today. But no, it's not of English origin, because when the English language was formed in the 5th or 6th century, much of French (and hence Latin influence) entered into it. Here's a well-known useful rule of thumb that the comedian in question apparently doesn't know: by far most words ending on -tion came from French and in turn they all generally tend to come from Latin, because of course French is a Romance language and all Romance languages came from - as the name 'Romance' indicates - the Romans. So we're not talking about just any old Italic, but Latin in particular.
Most of the language of the people who were living in present-day France was long ago emptied of Gallic/Gaulish - Romans actively did that.
What next? Does the guy who compared Samskritam navgatih (sp?) with 'English' navigation also plan to spring this one on us: <i>Cadeau/kado</i> in Dutch matches 'magically' with <i>cadeau</i> in French? <!--emo&:blink:--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='blink.gif' /><!--endemo--> Why not? It's the same logic and degree of analysis, after all.
My question: what did the Anglo-Saxons call the action of 'navigation' before they got the word from Latin? No takers? Dommage. Well, the IEs are still waiting in that space between eternal fiction and a possible theory then... Someone sympathetic to their plight has to seriously consider helping them to finally be birthed or dismiss their foggy illusion once and for all. No need to leave the poor IEs hanging in eternal limbo in lalaland.
Sorry Acharya, I quit reading that writer's excerpt you posted after the navigation thing. I couldn't take him seriously after this blunder of blunders. Where did he/she/it get that 'info' from anyway? My guess: wackypedia.
<!--QuoteBegin-acharya+May 25 2007, 06:05 AM-->QUOTE(acharya @ May 25 2007, 06:05 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->What is wrong with this
<!--QuoteBegin--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Eg..,
"Navagathe" in Sanskrit is "Navigation" in English<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->[right][snapback]69305[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->Ummmm, though I'd never taken Latin myself, it doesn't take a genius to guess that Navigation came from French (and hence Latin) into English. And since guessing isn't worth anything, I looked it up in my <b>'The Concise Oxford Dictionary'</b> (are they kidding by the way - what do they mean with 'concise'? It's so heavy and bulky that it could be used as a fatal weapon in evil but capable hands).
Anyway, this dictionary happens to be more useful in that it gives the etymology of words. And for <b>Navigate</b> it says:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->[f. L <i>navigare</i> (<i>navis</i> ship, <i>agere</i> drive) + -ATE]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Expanding this, it says "<b>from Latin</b> <i>navigare</i> (<i>navis</i> ship, <i>agere</i> drive) + -ATE"
Hence navigate. (For Navigation it gives a similar, but with intermediate in French before the word made it into English, and refers back to the entry for Navigate.)
Who is that comedian who wrote that the word was English? Yes, 'navigate' and related 'navigation' can be found in use in English today. But no, it's not of English origin, because when the English language was formed in the 5th or 6th century, much of French (and hence Latin influence) entered into it. Here's a well-known useful rule of thumb that the comedian in question apparently doesn't know: by far most words ending on -tion came from French and in turn they all generally tend to come from Latin, because of course French is a Romance language and all Romance languages came from - as the name 'Romance' indicates - the Romans. So we're not talking about just any old Italic, but Latin in particular.
Most of the language of the people who were living in present-day France was long ago emptied of Gallic/Gaulish - Romans actively did that.
What next? Does the guy who compared Samskritam navgatih (sp?) with 'English' navigation also plan to spring this one on us: <i>Cadeau/kado</i> in Dutch matches 'magically' with <i>cadeau</i> in French? <!--emo&:blink:--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='blink.gif' /><!--endemo--> Why not? It's the same logic and degree of analysis, after all.
My question: what did the Anglo-Saxons call the action of 'navigation' before they got the word from Latin? No takers? Dommage. Well, the IEs are still waiting in that space between eternal fiction and a possible theory then... Someone sympathetic to their plight has to seriously consider helping them to finally be birthed or dismiss their foggy illusion once and for all. No need to leave the poor IEs hanging in eternal limbo in lalaland.
Sorry Acharya, I quit reading that writer's excerpt you posted after the navigation thing. I couldn't take him seriously after this blunder of blunders. Where did he/she/it get that 'info' from anyway? My guess: wackypedia.