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<1 min video of one Brian Muraresku giving a rather painful recitation from R^igvedam.
1) He learnt his.... uh Skt at one Brown University, which is apparently a highly ranked uni. Who knew.
twitter.com/BrianMuraresku/status/1314203310447091712
2) He speaks of RV as the oldest text of western civilisation.
To be literal, he says:
The claim does not come as a surprise, though:
- E Europeans or Russians have put a lot of hard work into articles claiming even the MBh took place on the steppes in E Euro land or Russia, with their Euro forbears as the characters (and that Hindus are wrong in thinking the MBh characters were our ancestors all this time). Upon the .... revelation, the commenters were angry at how the (implicitly miscenenated) Hindus have stolen their history/ancestry and all the while pretended its Indians'. What else is new, passive aggressive anti-Hinduism was a theme in VediKKK ReKKKon, so this was on the horizon.
If MBh is claimed for the steppes, then that means the E Europeans are claiming everything IEism has chronologically dated to be before MBh too.
- Besides, claiming the RV was an import into India - rather than indigenously composed - was a longstanding thing, not newly invented. I think in discussions among western steppists it's a standard part of the story of AIT taking place somewhere between 1900-1500 BCE for AIT (back before the aDNA avalanche started, after which the chronology in India ended up lower still). They humoured Hindus now and then by letting the AIT "truth" dawn a bit at a time: by initially letting us keep the RV as indigenous to India, as long as we accepted their AIT happened. And then eventually they started claiming, more frequently, that the RV was theirs/their ancestors' from deep in Euroland too. And some years back MBh too, as mentioned. Not sure what next, some replacement theology is always lurking to steal everything. But IIEists will keep rolling with it all, and sell off whatever comes next too, I shouldn't wonder, it's in their nature. Unless they've yet to reconcile with having to sell off the MBh for whatever trinket/bone their western masters will toss their way and need some time to get used to that idea too.
3) Back to the video. The more interesting thing is that in the short video Brian Muraresku says this about the language of the R^iks:
Fascinating. Because:
- Brown university is not some obscure Spinazie Academie, apparently. So we're meant to take this statement seriously.
- Next, he's stating that to an audience member of his own kind. Not Indian Hindus. (Rather like the Robin Bradley Kar paper "On the Origins of Western Law and Western Civilization (in the Indus Valley)" was so matter-of-factly stated too and was intended for audiences of the author's own kind.)
- Contrast:
Whenever western steppists speak to/talk down to heathen Hindoos about Skt/Chandas, it is always "Of course Skt ain't the mother of all IE languages. Keep up, you Hindutva nationalist fondue." In recent years, there was the very convenient reshuffle of the stamboom (IE tree) to force Balto-Slavic as brother or twisted sister to "Indo-Iranian". (Whereas previously "Indo-Iranian" was said to be closest to Greek and/or IIRC Armenian. But with R1a being found on the E European steppes, they made the tree fit the data and pretend ever since that Balto-Slavic was always the most reasonable and likely nearest relation). And ever since, any Hindoo asserting Skt's antiquity always got the retort that "In fact, I-Ir is one of the youngest branches in the IE tree" yet magically Balto-Slavic is the most conservative/well-preserved (and other bragging) despite not being attested until really late.
Yet, here we have one Brian Muraresku, who studied his Sanskritisch at non-obscure, even high status Brown University, telling one of his own (western) kind quite matter-of-factly that
"(Chandas) is the mother tongue of all the IE languages"
He couldn't have invented that. That's a tall claim and if he invented it, it would be shot down by listeners. He wouldn't have read that in recent literature, or not the kind made so public that Hindoos could get at it. And doubt they teach Max Muller's stale opinions as current at Brown.
So he must have been taught it by his teachers at Brown uni, he's regurgitating, which means this is a standard opinion. And that would mean that among their own kind, western steppists believe/accept this as a factoid.
He's proud and pleased about the mother of all IE languages, Chandas Sanskrit, reciting from the oldest book of "western civilisation". I.e. magically his civilisation now, since RV has already shifted out of India, and the west did always want it.
I think their idea is that one day, when India has been successfully converted into IIEism and from there to monotheism, they'll make it public that they consider Skt the mother of all "IE" languages, so that Hindus will no longer contest its ownership with the west.
4) When some Hindus asked Muraresku why he claimed the R^ig for western civilisation, he came back confusingly with:
twitter.com/BrianMuraresku/status/1314203550042517505
With Indo-Iranian as Satem and Latin as Centum, I don't know how he grouped them together and why this is "a technical linguistic point". I've never seen this grouping claimed.
He makes no mention of Armenian, sometimes close to I-Ir. Albanian sometimes grouped with Grk. Phrygian with Latin I think. Sometimes Latin and Celtic.
Why only mention Skt, Grk and Latin?
That specific grouping only makes sense with .... Robin Bradley Kar who declared that western civilisation and law traced to IVC and then Greek, Roman, Hebrew.
That's the only one that could group Skt with Greek and Latin... But that was a law paper about civilisational journey (IVC, Greek and Roman), not linguistic. So not sure what Muraresku means.
Am glad Samskritam got divorced from Balto-Slavic in this grouping though. It was a bit tiresome that IIr-Balto-Slavic suddenly became a thing only to make the aDNA results fit. And then Slavs started trying to claim Greek and Vedic as their religion originally and more such daylight robbery. IIEists enabled all that.
Anyway, maybe Muraresku can't remember well, or he just made something up to cover for having been caught by Hindus claiming R^igvedam for western civilisation.
Or maybe this video like Kar's paper was not meant for a general audience that included Hindoos?
5) Searched his name:
People and their psychedelic mushrooms.
But despite his saying 'I revere the Rg Veda as "the oldest recorded literature"' he's not actually a heathen since it's incompatible with his pursuits in christianity. (And also, dabbling - especially in that which shouldn't be dabbled in - is unheathen and anti-heathen)
He probably just meant that since the west has worked hard to make the Vedam "European/western" literature in constructing the newer and grander version of their history, he reveres R^ig Vedam for being the primordial literature of Europeans. I.e. it's all European identity gymnastics.
Nothing heathen there. Just new age nonsense, not even VediKKK ReKKKon.
twitter.com/priya_27_/status/1314157707956371456
<1 min video of one Brian Muraresku giving a rather painful recitation from R^igvedam.
1) He learnt his.... uh Skt at one Brown University, which is apparently a highly ranked uni. Who knew.
twitter.com/BrianMuraresku/status/1314203310447091712
Quote:Brian C. Muraresku
@BrianMuraresku
@priya_27_
3. I recite Sanskrit the way I was taught at Brown University in the United States. Here is my senior thesis from 2002:
Streams of Love and Meditation
books.google.com
2:57 AM ÷ Oct 9, 2020÷Twitter Web App
2) He speaks of RV as the oldest text of western civilisation.
To be literal, he says:
Quote:It [Rigvedam] is the oldest literature in western civilisation. Among the Indo-European languages, this is the oldest reported literature that we have.IIEists will roll with that obviously, since they will give everything away inch by inch, it's their nature.
The claim does not come as a surprise, though:
- E Europeans or Russians have put a lot of hard work into articles claiming even the MBh took place on the steppes in E Euro land or Russia, with their Euro forbears as the characters (and that Hindus are wrong in thinking the MBh characters were our ancestors all this time). Upon the .... revelation, the commenters were angry at how the (implicitly miscenenated) Hindus have stolen their history/ancestry and all the while pretended its Indians'. What else is new, passive aggressive anti-Hinduism was a theme in VediKKK ReKKKon, so this was on the horizon.
If MBh is claimed for the steppes, then that means the E Europeans are claiming everything IEism has chronologically dated to be before MBh too.
- Besides, claiming the RV was an import into India - rather than indigenously composed - was a longstanding thing, not newly invented. I think in discussions among western steppists it's a standard part of the story of AIT taking place somewhere between 1900-1500 BCE for AIT (back before the aDNA avalanche started, after which the chronology in India ended up lower still). They humoured Hindus now and then by letting the AIT "truth" dawn a bit at a time: by initially letting us keep the RV as indigenous to India, as long as we accepted their AIT happened. And then eventually they started claiming, more frequently, that the RV was theirs/their ancestors' from deep in Euroland too. And some years back MBh too, as mentioned. Not sure what next, some replacement theology is always lurking to steal everything. But IIEists will keep rolling with it all, and sell off whatever comes next too, I shouldn't wonder, it's in their nature. Unless they've yet to reconcile with having to sell off the MBh for whatever trinket/bone their western masters will toss their way and need some time to get used to that idea too.
3) Back to the video. The more interesting thing is that in the short video Brian Muraresku says this about the language of the R^iks:
Quote:this is the mother tongue of all the IE languages
Fascinating. Because:
- Brown university is not some obscure Spinazie Academie, apparently. So we're meant to take this statement seriously.
- Next, he's stating that to an audience member of his own kind. Not Indian Hindus. (Rather like the Robin Bradley Kar paper "On the Origins of Western Law and Western Civilization (in the Indus Valley)" was so matter-of-factly stated too and was intended for audiences of the author's own kind.)
- Contrast:
Whenever western steppists speak to/talk down to heathen Hindoos about Skt/Chandas, it is always "Of course Skt ain't the mother of all IE languages. Keep up, you Hindutva nationalist fondue." In recent years, there was the very convenient reshuffle of the stamboom (IE tree) to force Balto-Slavic as brother or twisted sister to "Indo-Iranian". (Whereas previously "Indo-Iranian" was said to be closest to Greek and/or IIRC Armenian. But with R1a being found on the E European steppes, they made the tree fit the data and pretend ever since that Balto-Slavic was always the most reasonable and likely nearest relation). And ever since, any Hindoo asserting Skt's antiquity always got the retort that "In fact, I-Ir is one of the youngest branches in the IE tree" yet magically Balto-Slavic is the most conservative/well-preserved (and other bragging) despite not being attested until really late.
Yet, here we have one Brian Muraresku, who studied his Sanskritisch at non-obscure, even high status Brown University, telling one of his own (western) kind quite matter-of-factly that
"(Chandas) is the mother tongue of all the IE languages"
He couldn't have invented that. That's a tall claim and if he invented it, it would be shot down by listeners. He wouldn't have read that in recent literature, or not the kind made so public that Hindoos could get at it. And doubt they teach Max Muller's stale opinions as current at Brown.
So he must have been taught it by his teachers at Brown uni, he's regurgitating, which means this is a standard opinion. And that would mean that among their own kind, western steppists believe/accept this as a factoid.
He's proud and pleased about the mother of all IE languages, Chandas Sanskrit, reciting from the oldest book of "western civilisation". I.e. magically his civilisation now, since RV has already shifted out of India, and the west did always want it.
I think their idea is that one day, when India has been successfully converted into IIEism and from there to monotheism, they'll make it public that they consider Skt the mother of all "IE" languages, so that Hindus will no longer contest its ownership with the west.
4) When some Hindus asked Muraresku why he claimed the R^ig for western civilisation, he came back confusingly with:
twitter.com/BrianMuraresku/status/1314203550042517505
Quote:Brian C. Muraresku
@BrianMuraresku
Replying to
@priya_27_
4. "Among the Indo-European languages", I revere the Rg Veda as "the oldest recorded literature". "Western" only to the extent it shares a Proto-Indo-Eurpoean source with the western branch that includes Greek and Latin, which is a technical linguistic point.
2:58 AM ÷ Oct 9, 2020÷Twitter Web App
With Indo-Iranian as Satem and Latin as Centum, I don't know how he grouped them together and why this is "a technical linguistic point". I've never seen this grouping claimed.
He makes no mention of Armenian, sometimes close to I-Ir. Albanian sometimes grouped with Grk. Phrygian with Latin I think. Sometimes Latin and Celtic.
Why only mention Skt, Grk and Latin?
That specific grouping only makes sense with .... Robin Bradley Kar who declared that western civilisation and law traced to IVC and then Greek, Roman, Hebrew.
That's the only one that could group Skt with Greek and Latin... But that was a law paper about civilisational journey (IVC, Greek and Roman), not linguistic. So not sure what Muraresku means.
Am glad Samskritam got divorced from Balto-Slavic in this grouping though. It was a bit tiresome that IIr-Balto-Slavic suddenly became a thing only to make the aDNA results fit. And then Slavs started trying to claim Greek and Vedic as their religion originally and more such daylight robbery. IIEists enabled all that.
Anyway, maybe Muraresku can't remember well, or he just made something up to cover for having been caught by Hindus claiming R^igvedam for western civilisation.
Or maybe this video like Kar's paper was not meant for a general audience that included Hindoos?
5) Searched his name:
Quote:Home | Brian C. Muraresku
[Search domain www.brianmuraresku.com] https://www.brianmuraresku.com
"The rich history and promising future of psychedelic therapy" "A new issue arrives on the horizon. Why it matters." "Brian Muraresku On Psychedelics And Bringing Enchantment Back To Christianity"
People and their psychedelic mushrooms.
But despite his saying 'I revere the Rg Veda as "the oldest recorded literature"' he's not actually a heathen since it's incompatible with his pursuits in christianity. (And also, dabbling - especially in that which shouldn't be dabbled in - is unheathen and anti-heathen)
He probably just meant that since the west has worked hard to make the Vedam "European/western" literature in constructing the newer and grander version of their history, he reveres R^ig Vedam for being the primordial literature of Europeans. I.e. it's all European identity gymnastics.
Nothing heathen there. Just new age nonsense, not even VediKKK ReKKKon.