07-27-2005, 02:48 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Bharatvarsh+Jul 27 2005, 12:34 AM-->QUOTE(Bharatvarsh @ Jul 27 2005, 12:34 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin--> mitradena on what basis do u say that Sikhs are Hindus, the whole problem with Hindus is that we try to act like groups that do not want to be called Hindu are actually Hindus which inturn gives more superiority complex to such groups.
I studied some of the writings of the Gurus and I have not yet come to a positive conclusion about Sikhism but one thing is clear, the Gurus absolutely rejected idol worship (or what they thought was idol worship), they rejected the various avatars. In the Dasam Granth there is a poem in which Guru Govind narrates the story about all the avatars titled "Chaubis Avatar" and also there is a poem named "Chandi di Var" but he makes it clear that he does not consider any of the avatars to be God and that he only worships the One supreme God.
The point I am trying to make is that Hindus should ignore such groups and should concentrate on uniting Hindus first instead of begging Sikhs to be Hindus or trying to prove that Sikhs are Hindus like the VHP does. Even then Hindus fail to prove how Sikhs are Hindus or how Sikhism was a reform movement of Hinduism, for example I have seen Hindus use this quote to argue that Sikhs are Hindus:
"Sakala jagata main Khalsa Pantha gaje Jage dharama Hindu
sakala bhanda bhaje"
But not one of them bothers to provide any citation for this quote, where did Guru Govind utter those words, it's the same with other quotes also, Hindus do not bother to provide citations for those quotes.
Sorry for the digression from the topic but I have strong views about this whole Sikh-Hindu thing, especially now after VHP recently said some nonsense about Sikhs being Hindus and the SGPC asked for an open debate on this issue and no Hindu bothered to respond thereby shaming the entire Hindu community. I will keep to the topic in my next posts. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
http://koenraadelst.voiceofdharma.com/bo...ah/ch8.htm
I studied some of the writings of the Gurus and I have not yet come to a positive conclusion about Sikhism but one thing is clear, the Gurus absolutely rejected idol worship (or what they thought was idol worship), they rejected the various avatars. In the Dasam Granth there is a poem in which Guru Govind narrates the story about all the avatars titled "Chaubis Avatar" and also there is a poem named "Chandi di Var" but he makes it clear that he does not consider any of the avatars to be God and that he only worships the One supreme God.
The point I am trying to make is that Hindus should ignore such groups and should concentrate on uniting Hindus first instead of begging Sikhs to be Hindus or trying to prove that Sikhs are Hindus like the VHP does. Even then Hindus fail to prove how Sikhs are Hindus or how Sikhism was a reform movement of Hinduism, for example I have seen Hindus use this quote to argue that Sikhs are Hindus:
"Sakala jagata main Khalsa Pantha gaje Jage dharama Hindu
sakala bhanda bhaje"
But not one of them bothers to provide any citation for this quote, where did Guru Govind utter those words, it's the same with other quotes also, Hindus do not bother to provide citations for those quotes.
Sorry for the digression from the topic but I have strong views about this whole Sikh-Hindu thing, especially now after VHP recently said some nonsense about Sikhs being Hindus and the SGPC asked for an open debate on this issue and no Hindu bothered to respond thereby shaming the entire Hindu community. I will keep to the topic in my next posts. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
http://koenraadelst.voiceofdharma.com/bo...ah/ch8.htm