Amarnath Land Deal

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Is there more to lose?

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Police detains an agitating devotee

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A Woman helps an injured demonstrator.

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Hindu protestors take the injured policeman to safety...

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08-10-2008, 11:45 PM

As usual he blames everyone but the Congress party and the so called high command
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Mistrust between the Congress and the PDP was also one of the causes of the present crisis

Let me reveal a hitherto unknown fact of history. It was a quirk of fate that brought the PDP and the Congress together after the 2002 elections. In fact, I was elected leader of the Congress, which was the second largest party with 20 members. Other 22 independents and smaller parties extended their support to me.

I was set for my swearing in when I thought why not take Mufti Mohammad Sayeed along? I called up Mufti Sahib and he was ready. Though I gave the names of MLAs supporting the Congress to the governor, I rushed to Delhi . It was the National Conference, which offered unconditional support to my government and warned us against tying up with the Muftis.

Then Madam (Sonia) Gandhi agreed. After we worked out a power-sharing formula, the Mufti started complaining. He told Madam that it would be an insult to him if he was not given the first chance to head the government. I remember Madam Gandhi magnanimously saying yes to the Mufti's proposal.
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08-11-2008, 07:50 AM

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08-11-2008, 08:36 AM

QUOTEHeed the Hindu fury 
Pioneer.com
Francois Gautier
Humiliation has caused the rage we see in Jammu
Instead of calling an all-party meeting to resolve the Jammu crisis, the Government would have done well to try to understand the fury of Hindus and not to limit the scope of the introspection to the Sri Amarnath Shrine Board land transfer issue only. Are Hindus angry only about the hypocrisy of the Government on the land transfer issue? Are there no other issues that make them furious?

Hindus are peace-loving people. The average Hindu that you meet is an easy-going and accepts you and your diversity, whether you are Christian, Muslim or Parsi, Arab, French or Chinese. He goes about his business and usually does not interfere in yours.

In fact, Hindus take it a little further: They hate trouble and go out of their way to avoid it. Have you noticed how every time there is a possibility of a strike or trouble, Hindus stay home? Or how - forget about rioting - Hindus never speak-up, complain or protest in a united manner?

Despite this, everywhere in the world Hindus are hounded and humiliated - be it in Fiji where an elected democratic Government was twice deposed in an Army coup, or in Pakistan and Bangladesh where Muslims indulge in pogroms against Hindus every time they want to vent their anger against India (read Taslima Nasreen's book Lajja). There were one million Hindus in the Kashmir Valley, but there are only a few hundred today. In Assam, Tripura, or Nagaland, Hindus are being outnumbered by illegal Bangladeshi immigrants and terrorised by pro-Christian separatist groups, such as the Bodos or the Mizos, while local Governments often turn a blind eye. Their temples are being taken over in many States and the donations appropriated by the State Governments.

Yet, in 3,500 years of their known existence, Hindus have never invaded another country, never tried to impose their religion upon others by force or by induced conversions. It has rather been through peaceful invasions that Hinduism has stormed the world whether in the East - witness Angkor Vat -- or in the West, where the by-products of Hinduism, yoga, meditation, ayurved and pranayam have been adopted by millions.

Hindus also gave refuge to all persecuted minorities of the world -- the Parsis, the Jews (India is the only country in the world where Jews have not been persecuted), the Armenians and the Tibetans. The first Christian community of the world, the Syrian Christians, flourished in Kerala, thanks to Hindu tolerance. Arab merchants were welcomed by Hindu rulers to live in India while freely practising their religion, from very early times. It's a pity that these two communities turned against Hindus - the former by way of conversions and the latter with bloody invasions.

Thus Hindus, who accept everybody and welcome all religions, do not receive in return any gratitude and the same respect. On the contrary, they get mocked at, bombs are planted in their markets, their trains; their temples are attacked, they are chased out of their homeland; the media makes fun of them, their own politicians ostracise them.

Sometimes enough is enough. After years or even centuries of submission, Hindus, the most peace-loving people in the world, erupt in uncontrolled fury. And it hurts. It hurts badly. It happened in Gujarat. It is happening now in Jammu. It may happen again elsewhere, as Hindus are reaching boiling point.

Hindus never complain about their Government giving billions of rupees in subsidies to Indian Muslims so that they can visit their most holy place, Mecca. But when Hindus need shelters, toilets and basic facilities at the height of 15,000 feet to worship at the Amarnath shrine, these are denied to them by the same Government. So they erupt in fury against ignominy and injustice.

Instead of appealing for calm and communal harmony and giving us all this hogwash about Kashmiriyat, political leaders, journalists, as well as spiritual leaders would do well to look at the root cause of Hindu fury and try to address their demands and frustrations.

Bodhi · 08-11-2008, 08:37 AM

QUOTESubject: A TEST OF HINDU RESOLVE
> Let NRI hindus who wax eloquent on Hindu concerns and issue fiery
> statements on the Net launch a vigorous campaign to block the visit
> of Kashmir's Muslim leaders to the US and EU citing ethnic cleansing
> crimes., denial of religious freedom and human rights violations. If
> a clutch of activists can block Narendra Modi why can't tens of
> thousands of Hindus in the US and EU do it to Kashmir's criminal
> Muslim leaders? Problem with our NRI lot as well as Hindus at home is
> that they lack guts and, unlike Hindus in Jammu, are anatomically
> deficient. Nothing would delight me more than being proved wrong. Let
> Hindus in the US and EU walk their tall talk. Rgds.KG

08-11-2008, 08:38 AM

QUOTERecall Vohra now 
The pioneer Edit Desk
Nothing else will break Jammu deadlock
The failure of the all-party delegation, led by Union Home Minister Shivraj Patil, to make any headway with convincing the Sri Amarnath Sangharsh Samiti to call off the agitation in Jammu does not come as a surprise. Indeed, the outcome of Saturday's 'talks' could have been predicted even before the delegation left Delhi. This is primarily because the Congress (as well as its 'secular' allies), desperate to be seen as denying Hindus their rights and dignity while shamelessly capitulating before belligerent Muslims in Kashmir Valley, continues to subscribe to the fiction that the rage sweeping through Jammu region can be doused without conceding an inch. Indeed, the spurious all-party meeting and the equally bogus all-party delegation are part of the UPA Government's efforts to try and browbeat Jammu's enraged Hindus into submission. The Prime Minister, obsessed as he is with pushing through the hugely flawed India-US civil nuclear cooperation agreement -- and thus please the Americans -- to the exclusion of all national concerns, obviously does not have either the time or the inclination to solve the crisis which is fast slipping out of control in Jammu. In any event, he cannot be expected to do anything that militates against his stated 'Muslims first' policy, which lies at the root of his Government's only success: Alienating and enraging India's Hindu majority. Hence, it was only to be expected that Mr Patil would offer nothing and peremptorily demand that the protesters should back off from their position on the Amarnath shrine land issue. But the Prime Minister and his thoroughly incompetent Home Minister miscalculated on the resolve of Jammu's protesters: Instead of deriving satisfaction from the Sangharsh Samiti tamely giving up its demands, they are smarting from a rude though richly deserved snub.

The Sangharsh Samiti has made it abundantly clear that nothing short of the Government accepting its three demands will end the protest in Jammu, which entered its 40th day on Saturday -- by all records an unprecedented demonstration of Hindu fury. These are: Governor NN Vohra, who has played a proactive role in humiliating Hindus by recommending to the State Government to cancel the land allotment order and is widely seen as biased against Jammu's interests because of his past words and deeds, must be recalled; the Governor's letter seeking cancellation of the allotment of land, written without the approval of the Sri Amarnath Shrine Board, should be withdrawn; and, the 97 acres of land meant for creating facilities for pilgrims should be restored to the board. If the Prime Minister and his political boss are truly interested in resolving the crisis, then they must begin by accepting the first demand of the Sangharsh Samiti: Mr Vohra should be recalled without any further delay and replaced by someone who is not burdened by the baggage of anti-Jammu bias and will not blindly do the bidding of the Congress to hurt Hindu sentiments. This is a tall order given the predilections of the Congress. But nothing short of this will convince the Sangharsh Samiti to negotiate on the other two issues. It is now for the UPA Government to take a call on what is in India's interest. Having short-changed the nation on the nuclear deal, the Congress can partly redeem itself by doing the right thing on the crisis in Jammu. Or it can prove once again that Hindu interests are of no concern to the Government it leads.Â

Hindu hater Moron Singh will never accept any suggestion.
Indians should vote them out.

**acharya** · 08-11-2008, 10:11 AM

J&K crisis

The ruling PDP-Congress coalition in Jammu and Kashmir failed to discharge its responsibility when it broke up. It should have resolved the crisis that arose from the allotment of 40 hectares of land to the Shri Amarnathji Shrine Board and the subsequent order revoking the allotment. With no elected government in the State, the trouble-makers are having a field day. The feeling of alienation among the people will grow if the problem is allowed to simmer. All-party meetings are of little use. The problem has to be solved by the people of the State themselves. Unfortunately, the divide between the Hindu-majority Jammu and Muslim-majority Kashmir is too stark and pronounced.

Saurabh Sinha,
Bhilai

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The situation in J&K is the result of communal politics practised by leaders of different parties to build vote-banks. Such politics will ruin unity. A matter that could have been easily resolved by the government has assumed alarming proportions, posing a threat to communal harmony in the State. The need of the hour is to find a solution that is in the larger interest of all the citizens.

Rupesh Roshan,
Varanasi

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It is the UPA government that allowed the Shrine Board crisis to snowball into a major issue. So, it has only itself to blame for the situation in J&K. It is shameful that a section has to fight for putting up temporary facilities on a piece of land in its own country.

V.R. Sriram,
Chennai

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It is unfortunate that some people support the agitation in Jammu saying it is about the right of pilgrims to some facilities en route to Amarnath. Is it their case that no facilities were made for the Amarnath yatris in the last 130 years? I suggest that they come to Kashmir and see the facilities that are provided to the pilgrims â not just on 40 hectares but thousands of hectares of land. The issue started because of the order that allotted land to the SASB. There was no need for the order. It was rightly revoked. Politicians are making an issue out of a non-issue. I fail to understand why, when the J&K government has agreed to provide the required facilities to the Amarnath yatris, the problem should persist.

Azhar Yasin,
Srinagar

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For so many years, Amarnath pilgrims have not faced any problem. What was the need for a board to oversee the facilities provided to them? Muslim families in Kashmir have taken care of the pilgrims and the Amarnath shrine all these years. The politicians of J&K have grabbed the issue for their selfish ends. There is no need for the SASB because those who have taken care of the pilgrims have done a good job all these years. A pilgrimage is all about brotherhood, humanity and peace. It is unfortunate that our representatives are dividing the people on such an issue.

Sameer Ramzan,
Srinagar

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The agitation against north Indians in Mumbai spearheaded by the MNS, the Gujjar unrest which was the result of the BJPâs pre-poll promise of providing the community ST status, and the recent trouble in J&K over the Shrine Board issue have a common factor â they are all the outcome of vote-bank politics. Thanks to our politicians, development issues have taken a back seat and communalism and regional extremism have come to the forefront. The BJP has done enough harm to the nationâs secular fabric. It is time for it to display some sense of responsibility. And separatist leaders of Kashmir, who are making provocative statements regarding the bifurcation of J&K, would do well to remember that the people of the State will not allow it.

Lokesh Jangid,
New Delhi

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