hear the debate on Times-Now. Maroof Raza and Gen. Ashok Mehta of Pioneer are taking good care of Gen Rasheed the right hand of Musharraf.
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11-28-2008, 10:00 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Bodhi+Nov 28 2008, 09:49 PM-->QUOTE(Bodhi @ Nov 28 2008, 09:49 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->hear the debate on Times-Now. Maroof Raza and Gen. Ashok Mehta of Pioneer are taking good care of Gen Rasheed the right hand of Musharraf.
[right][snapback]90978[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--> What Amar Singh, CM of Maha, SOnia Gadhi and Joker Singh did, They had destroyed India's credibility. These b@stards named Sadhavi etc and linked them with Samjhutta Express without actual investigation but to gain political points. Whole world knows Indian Embassy can be bought, political leaders can be bought, media is already bought by vested interest. These b@stards don't care that is a problem. These son of B**** should be kicked out.
11-28-2008, 10:08 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Mudy+Nov 28 2008, 09:39 PM-->QUOTE(Mudy @ Nov 28 2008, 09:39 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>'Pakistan will have to face serious consequences'</b>
<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--> All dramabazi.. nothing will happen. Uncle, Aunty will not let this happen. Even the cricket matches will continue, Song and dance of Bollywood continues with all masala, and life goes back to normal... Yawn.... Yatha praja thathaa raaja...
11-28-2008, 10:13 PM
Moron Singh and Sonia can do Mujara anytime for Paki and you will see Amar Singh throwing dollars on crowd in celebration. Pawar and CM of Maha can play tabla for these b@stard party. Soniadad Patil is good for nothing. MK Narayana, the biggest whore of India is a good pimp.
11-28-2008, 10:40 PM
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<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Can Terrorism Halt India's Global Rise?</b> <i>Nayan Chanda is editor of YaleGlobal Online and author of Bound Together: How Traders, Preachers, Adventurers and Warriors Shaped Globalization.</i> In recent years, terrorist attacks in India have become as much a part of life as the monsoon squalls. The only difference has been their unpredictability, as opposed to the regularity of the monsoons. The well-coordinated and large scale assault on Mumbai this week are not only qualitatively different, but also came with a chillingly new message. The jeans and t-shirt clad, youthful terrorists, who looked like backpackers out on a hiking expedition, delivered an unmistakable warning to the world: Foreigners stay away from India. Their special note to the Jewish community: You are safe nowhere. Previous attacks by Islamist youth and Kashmiri separatists were aimed at damaging Indiaâs economic and political stability and inciting violence between majority Hindus and its substantial Muslim minority. They have tried to jolt Indiaâs political system (the attack on the Parliament), hurt Indiaâs business centers (repeated attacks on Mumbai aimed at people in finance and technology sectors) and science and technology hub (attack on the Indian Institute of Science in Bangalore), provoke inter-religious strife (attacking Hindu shrines and people during Hindu celebrations), and promote a sense of terror and helplessness among citizens. Never before have terrorists tried to seek out foreigners. During the attacks on Mumbaiâs plush hotels this week, Westerners, especially Americans and Brits, were specifically sought out as hostages. In telephoned messages to TV stations, the terrorists asked for the release of âholy fightersâ from Indian jails in exchange for the release of hostages. It is hard to know if they really believe that they would achieve their stated goal. Where would the released Indian prisoners go? But taking foreign hostages at Indiaâs fanciest hotels sends out an unmistakable message: India is a dangerous place, and you invest in India or visit here at your own risk. The terrorists want to show that the so-called âshining India,â the new emerging power and a poster-child of globalization, has feet of clay. Globalization, which brought foreign investments and tourists from far corners of the world--as evidenced by the roster of nationalities present at the Taj and Oberoi hotels--can be brought to its knees by dozens of armed men landing on inflatable rafts from the Arabian Sea. Their seaborne landing--a first in the bloody history of terrorism in India--in and of itself carried a message. There are no borders. The other sinister message of the terrorists this time is that they have an international agenda. Despite their talk of Indian Muslims being oppressed and Kashmiris being killed, their focus on Americans and British citizens and Jewish nationals shows their global concern. The U.S. has emerged as a key ally of India, but Britain is not any closer than other European countries like France and Germany. The search for American and British citizens most probably has to do with the Iraq war, echoing the terrorist attacks in Britain on charges of British involvement in the suffering of Muslims. The terroristsâ global objective was clearly demonstrated in their targeting of a little-known Jewish outreach center in Mumbai. Before the terrorists burst into the Chabad Center located in an office and residential complex to take the rabbi, his wife, and assembled Jewish visitors hostage, most in Mumbai had no idea about their existence. Only six years earlier, a young Brooklyn rabbi and his wife set up the Chabad Center to quietly offer Jewish visitors kosher meals, Torah classes, and a place to stay. That anonymity was no protection from a group that wants to hurt the Jews as part of a global struggle. The attack on the Jewish community is particularly poignant, as over a thousand years ago, India offered the earliest shelter to persecuted Jews; the wall of an old synagogue in Kerala shows a mosaic image of their early arrival by boat. For the past two millennia, Indiaâs open doors have always allowed traders, travelers, and invaders to pass through and settle. However dramatic the latest attempt to frighten people might be, it is impossible to sever Indiaâs global connections. --Nayan Chanda <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
11-28-2008, 11:48 PM
<b>India's rescue efforts badly planned, says Israel</b><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Israel defence official believe that the security forces had failed to gather sufficient information about the situation before storming the three places under siege, states the report.
It added that the commandos, in their haste, had probably risked the lives of the hostages. <b>"In hostage situations, the first thing the forces are supposed to do is assemble at the scene and begin collecting intelligence. In this case, it appears that the forces showed up at the scene and immediately began exchanging fire with the terrorists instead of first taking control of the area," </b>the paper quotes a former official in Shin Bet, the Israel Security Agency, as saying. Israel Defence Minister Ehud Barak has also conveyed his concerns about the safety of Israelis <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
11-28-2008, 11:49 PM
<b>What we have today is systemic failure</b>
Vikram Sood is a former R&AW chief <b>'There was blood splattered all over the entrance'</b>  <b>Mumbai attacks to hurt Indo-Pak ties : Pranab Mukherjee</b> <b>NEW DELHI : Angered by terror strikes in Mumbai, India today bluntly told Pakistan that its intention to take a "leap" in bilateral relations would be "impossible" if "outrages" like the attacks in the financial capital do not stop. External Affairs minister Pranab Mukherjee told his visiting Pakistani counterpart Shah Mehmood Qureshi that he hoped Islamabad would take "immediate action" with regard to the terrorist attacks in Mumbai.</b> Qureshi received the call from Mukherjee in the midst of a press conference he was addressing at the Indian Women Press Corps here. The External Affairs minister said while the government of Pakistan has said that it wants a leap forward in relations between the two countries, "outrages like the attack on our embassy in Kabul and now the attack on Mumbai are intended to make it impossible." Mukherjee said "some elements" in Pakistan were responsible for the terror strikes in Mumbai in which over 150 people were killed and several hundreds injured. "The groups responsible and their supporters, are therefore, also acting against the direct interests of the government of Pakistan," Mukherjee told Qureshi. He said India expected Pakistan to honour its solemn commitments not to permit the use of its territory for terrorism against India. <b>Earlier in the day, Prime Minister Manmohan Singh <span style='font-size:14pt;line-height:100%'>asked his Pakistan counterpart Yousuf Raza Gilani to send ISI chief Shuja Pasha "to cooperate in the investigations of the Mumbai attack and for sharing certain information".</span> Pasha is expected to visit India soon.</b> I think this just about takes the cake! It is time that India suspended <b>ALL TIES with Terroristan.</b> Cheers <!--emo&:furious--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/furious.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='furious.gif' /><!--endemo-->
11-29-2008, 12:19 AM
(This post was last modified: 11-29-2008, 12:26 AM by Bharatvarsh.)
Apparently some worthies on a well known forum think that the "indian approach" (whatever that means) hasn't failed at all and that instead its the US/Israeli methods that seem to have failed.
Apparently terrorists holding up a 10 million megacity for 3 days and killing 150 people, 18 cops + army personnel, wounding 300 people is not failure at all. Oh and did I forget to tell you that this worthy lives in comfort in the unsafe US while doling out his great advice to the people living in India and going through terror almost every couple of weeks now. Hopefully when this asshole steps into India next time ready to give his uppity NRI advice to Indians how they are being assholes by saying its unsafe, some follower of the religion of peace takes him hostage, cuts his nuts off and mails them in fedex to his secular family in US <!--emo&:furious--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/furious.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='furious.gif' /><!--endemo-->
11-29-2008, 12:21 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Naresh+Nov 29 2008, 12:09 AM-->QUOTE(Naresh @ Nov 29 2008, 12:09 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Pasha is expected to visit India soon.[/b]
I think this just about takes the cake! It is time that India suspended <b>ALL TIES with Terroristan.</b> Cheers <!--emo&:furious--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/furious.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='furious.gif' /><!--endemo--> [right][snapback]90988[/snapback][/right] <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--> What Saar !!! Muslim had first right on Indian resources. Pasha and Gadha Singh are brothers. Gadha Singh is having sound sleep now. He skip Hindu Diwali or Holi but he is enjoying Muslim Diwali and Holi. Jago Jago Nareshji, Visa free border, more buses, more candle light at Wagha. Mujara at 3 Race Course and 10 Janpath. Pasha will bring Qwals for them.
11-29-2008, 01:04 AM
Israel calls India's reaction 'slow, confused'
I knew I would wake up and this would still be going on. Is it officially over or still terrorists left? Stupid crap, nothing is clear from news or reports.
11-29-2008, 01:11 AM
<b>Indian Forces Battle Militants in Mumbai</b><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->A delegation from Israel's ZAKA emergency medical services unit entered the building after the raid and reported through an Indian aide that five hostages and two gunmen were dead, a ZAKA spokesman in Israel said. The spokesman had no information on the hostages' identities or whether there were wounded inside.
<b>Jewish law requires the burial of a dead person's entire body, and the mission of the ultra-Orthodox ZAKA volunteers is to rescue the living â and in the case of the dead, carry out the task of gathering up all collectable pieces of flesh and blood.</b> Numerous local media reports, quoting top military officials, also said five hostages and two gunmen had been killed in the Jewish center. The airborne assault on the center run by the Jewish outreach group Chabad Lubavitch was punctuated by gunshots and explosions as forces cleared it floor by floor. Late Friday, Rabbi Zalman Schmotkin, a spokesman for the Chabad Lubavitch movement, said that Rabbi Gavriel Noach Holtzberg and his wife, Rivka, were among the dead. The couple's toddler son, Moshe Holtzberg, was smuggled out of the center by an employee, and is now with his grandparents.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
11-29-2008, 01:23 AM
http://www.rediff.com/news/2008/nov/28mumt...incompetent.htm
<b>US intelligence expert says Patil is incompetent</b> <!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Aziz Haniffa in Washington, DC | November 28, 2008 | 11:28 IST Walter Andersen, a former senior Administration official, who headed up the State Department's South Asia Division of the Intelligence and Research Bureau has said the Mumbai terrorist attacks showed clearly a failure of India's intelligence and security apparatus and also the utter incompetence of Home Minister Shivraj Patil. "Clearly there was failure here of India's intelligence and security and also the security units were slow in responding, which means that the whole system really needs to be revamped," he said. Andersen, currently associate director of the South Asia Program at Johns Hopkins University's School of Advanced International Studies, told rediff.com, "I am surprised that after several terrorist incidents, the government hasn't moved faster to get something much more effectively in place." "You have a totally incompetent home minister, and why he isn't removed is beyond me," he said, "He really doesn't know how to get the bureaucracy organised to have some sort of coordinated planning." .... <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
11-29-2008, 01:25 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Mudy+Nov 29 2008, 12:21 AM-->QUOTE(Mudy @ Nov 29 2008, 12:21 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-Naresh+Nov 29 2008, 12:09 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Naresh @ Nov 29 2008, 12:09 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Pasha is expected to visit India soon.[/b] I think this just about takes the cake! It is time that India suspended <b>ALL TIES with Terroristan.</b> Cheers <!--emo&:furious--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/furious.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='furious.gif' /><!--endemo--> [right][snapback]90988[/snapback][/right] <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--> What Saar !!! Muslim had first right on Indian resources. Pasha and Gadha Singh are brothers. Gadha Singh is having sound sleep now. He skip Hindu Diwali or Holi but he is enjoying Muslim Diwali and Holi. Jago Jago Nareshji, Visa free border, more buses, more candle light at Wagha. Mujara at 3 Race Course and 10 Janpath. Pasha will bring Qwals for them. [right][snapback]90990[/snapback][/right] <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> <b>Mudy Ji :</b> As you are well aware I have always wanted India to take a Strong Line against Pakistan. I will repeat all you have stated <b>E X C E P T</b> I refuse to use derogatory terms for the Indian Prime Minister as if he is "Gadha" then what are we? He is only mouthing words as per Sonia's Orders. It seems that India's 900 Million Hindus can only "Abuse their own Leaders". <b>India's 900 Million <span style='font-size:14pt;line-height:100%'>Hindus must ACT</span></b> Cheers <!--emo&:furious--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/furious.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='furious.gif' /><!--endemo-->
11-29-2008, 01:36 AM
Nareshji,
Why we have excuse for Moron Singh? He is man or Gadha. He is PM , so he better behave like PM otherwise leave post and go take retirement or clean street, I give damn. Sonia is smart she had made 1.2 billion Indians fools. Buck stops at Gadha Singh, He is useless, glued to his seat. Shameless spineless b@stard. This shameless is not leader, he is appointed idiot not elected by anyone. I voted against this loon, we knew he is useless idiot then, we were on dot. Idiot remains idot. I have no kind word for a scum who is responsible for death of thousand of Indians. He deserve no respect or kind word from me.
11-29-2008, 01:55 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Pandyan+Nov 28 2008, 03:48 PM-->QUOTE(Pandyan @ Nov 28 2008, 03:48 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->At least ATS scum got bumped off, so there is positive side after all.
[right][snapback]90994[/snapback][/right] <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--> You dont get it. He has been MARTYRED, which means all mistakes are forgotten. No more people asking the ATS chief why they were concentrating on an army officer and a sanyasin instead of actual terrorists. So this is definitely not good. The ATS brass dying makes sure that Purohit and the sadhvi dont get a chance to prove the torture and they died "heroes" whatever crap that meant. How is allowing your jeep to be hijacked a heroes death?
11-29-2008, 01:58 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Mudy+Nov 29 2008, 01:36 AM-->QUOTE(Mudy @ Nov 29 2008, 01:36 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Nareshji, Why we have excuse for Moron Singh? He is man or Gadha. He is PM , so he better behave like PM otherwise leave post and go take retirement or clean street, I give damn. Sonia is smart she had made 1.2 billion Indians fools. Buck stops at Gadha Singh, He is useless, glued to his seat. Shameless spineless b@stard. This shameless is not leader, he is appointed idiot not elected by anyone. I voted against this loon, we knew he is useless idiot then, we were on dot. Idiot remains idot. I have no kind word for a scum who is responsible for death of thousand of Indians. He deserve no respect or kind word from me. [right][snapback]90997[/snapback][/right] <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--> <b>Mudy Ji :</b> You are suffering from an acute attack of Childish Frustration. Your use of derogatory terms will not make an iota of difference. I trust you are aware that Five Punjabi Muslims Students led by Rehmat(?) Ali led to the âIdea and then the formation of Pakistanâ. They did not achieve their aim by hurling derogatory terms. <b><span style='color:red'>ACT</span></b> Cheers <!--emo&:furious--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/furious.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='furious.gif' /><!--endemo-->
11-29-2008, 02:09 AM
11-29-2008, 02:16 AM
Mudy, using derogatory terms only deviates from the point/discourse. Not needed.
In private I would have told you that you shouldn't be insulting donkeys who are the one most harmless hardworking creatures helping mankind. Let's all discuss the issue at hand with some control on our senses and emotions. |
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