04-08-2010, 11:28 PM
(This post was last modified: 04-08-2010, 11:29 PM by HareKrishna.)
[quote name='RomaIndian' date='08 April 2010 - 01:48 PM' timestamp='1270714244' post='105781']
It is also weird if seen from a islamic point of view or agnostic, atheist point of view. In hinduism people drink cow urine and think its healthy and makes them clean, they pray to rats (most unhygienic and disease spreading animal), they pray to snakes, then there is kamasutra which tells of eunuchs who practice oral sex on men and think its a holy spiritual thing, also in tantric teachings they worship the vagina. in manusmirti sudras are called of law origin and killing of a sudra is equal the killing of a bird or frog.
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Im sure you dont take Luxemburg medieval laws as the basis of christianity .So why should take the law code Manusmarti as the basis of hinduism.Also why take some local customs or left-hand tantra actually practiced by very few as the mainstream hinduism?
Did you read the whole Bible? What is your opinion on children killing and women rape practiced by Moses and Joshua in the Old testament?This commands was given by the sky Father of Jesus himself(Jehovah must be a man.No women can mess things like that).
How can you read this passages and many other in the Bible and still think that a God of love write the Bible?
Really,it was God or Satan that wrote those things?
More annoying then inquisition itself is the christian hypocrisy whit the religion of love and peace.
What about eternal hell doctrine proposed by Jesus ?you make God more evil the Hitler.
The church was the last institution that opposed the abolition of slavery of roma people.Its quite ironic that some roma become the defenders of their previous brutal masters.
I think many times about the problems of romas and usually i find the cause for most of these problems in the preservation of christian mentality .
Only when conservative europeans and conservative romas will abandon that mentality ,only then they will truly become free from slavery.
[quote name='HareKrishna' date='08 April 2010 - 07:06 PM' timestamp='1270749529' post='105791']
Im sure you dont take Luxemburg medieval laws as the basis of christianity .So why should take the law code Manusmarti as the basis of hinduism.Also why take some local customs or left-hand tantra actually practiced by very few as the mainstream hinduism?
Did you read the whole Bible? What is your opinion on children killing and women rape practiced by Moses and Joshua in the Old testament?This commands was given by the sky Father of Jesus himself(Jehovah must be a man.No women can mess things like that).
How can you read this passages and many other in the Bible and still think that a God of love write the Bible?
Really,it was God or Satan that wrote those things?
More annoying then inquisition itself is the christian hypocrisy whit the religion of love and peace.
What about eternal hell doctrine proposed by Jesus ?you make God more evil the Hitler.
The church was the last institution that opposed the abolition of slavery of roma people.Its quite ironic that some roma become the defenders of their previous brutal masters.
I think many times about the problems of romas and usually i find the cause for most of these problems in the preservation of christian mentality .
Only when conservative europeans and conservative romas will abandon that mentality ,only then they will truly become free from slavery.
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I dont want to defend the church, im aware of the injustices done by the church. I just believe in jesus teachings and pray to god because it gives me hope and yes jesus taught us about hell but he also promised us heaven, in hinduism there is no such thing as heaven i dont want to go through rebirth for eternity because its a unpleasant thought for me, i want to enter heaven once im dead. I dont think the problems of the romas will be solved when they accept gays.
[quote name='RomaIndian' date='09 April 2010 - 09:22 AM' timestamp='1270784657' post='105802']
I dont want to defend the church, im aware of the injustices done by the church. I just believe in jesus teachings and pray to god because it gives me hope and yes jesus taught us about hell but he also promised us heaven, in hinduism there is no such thing as heaven i dont want to go through rebirth for eternity because its a unpleasant thought for me, i want to enter heaven once im dead. I dont think the problems of the romas will be solved when they accept gays.
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You seem to have double standard.First claim to be hindu,now claim to be christian.
Sorry to disappoint you but haven also exist in hinduism.In fact there are many havens (Svargaloka,Goloka,Vaikhunta).
To enter such havens you have to be really good in your soul.
The problems of romas will be solved when they renounce some customs no wasting time thinking if gays are moral or not.
I have one question_if romas will come back in India ,they will start to spread christianity there?
[quote name='HareKrishna' date='09 April 2010 - 06:03 PM' timestamp='1270832153' post='105807']
You seem to have double standard.First claim to be hindu,now claim to be christian.
Sorry to disappoint you but haven also exist in hinduism.In fact there are many havens (Svargaloka,Goloka,Vaikhunta).
To enter such havens you have to be really good in your soul.
The problems of romas will be solved when they renounce some customs no wasting time thinking if gays are moral or not.
I have one question_if romas will come back in India ,they will start to spread christianity there?
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Im both hindu and christian, a mix of both, i respect hinduism and i respect christianity. Dont worry romas will not spread christianity in india if they ever move there, i for sure would not do that. Im just against gays and sexual immorality
04-10-2010, 12:04 PM
(This post was last modified: 04-10-2010, 12:08 PM by shamu.)
Many things are unnecessarily hurled at Hinduism using anti-Hindu snippets.
I don't think we need this thread here. I'll remove this tomorrow unless I see a genuine explanation from RomaIndian what exactly he wants to discuss here.
[quote name='shamu' date='10 April 2010 - 07:42 AM' timestamp='1270881260' post='105816']
Many things are unnecessarily hurled at Hinduism using anti-Hindu snippets.
I don't think we need this thread here. I'll remove this tomorrow unless I see a genuine explanation from RomaIndian what exactly he wants to discuss here.
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I wanted to discuss decriminalization of gay sex (overturning of 377).
[quote name='RomaIndian' date='09 April 2010 - 11:38 PM' timestamp='1270836011' post='105808']
Im both hindu and christian, a mix of both, i respect hinduism and i respect christianity. Dont worry romas will not spread christianity in india if they ever move there, i for sure would not do that. Im just against gays and sexual immorality
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you forgot one of the basic teachings of natural religions-live and let live.
04-11-2010, 01:03 AM
(This post was last modified: 04-11-2010, 09:23 AM by shamu.)
[quote name='RomaIndian' date='10 April 2010 - 02:36 PM' timestamp='1270889904' post='105817']
I wanted to discuss decriminalization of gay sex (overturning of 377).
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OK. Then don't bring in agenda driven arguments about cow urine and marrying to a dog/tree etc.
Now explain why is gay sex a criminal act if that involves two consenting adults, and they keep that a private affair?
[quote name='shamu' date='10 April 2010 - 08:41 PM' timestamp='1270928020' post='105820']
OK. Then don't bring in agenda driven arguments about cow urine and marrying to a dog/tree etc.
Now explain why is gay sex a criminal act if that involves two consenting adults, and they keep that a private affair?
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Because gay sex spreads diseases like aids and bisexuals can spread it to woman ---> heterosexuals too. Anal sex cause body injury and homosexuality is against the good taste and against natural order.
^^^ <img src='http://www.india-forum.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':lol:' /> Won't that happen in normal cases?
BTW, please give genuine arguments why it is a criminal act that people can discuss about, else this thread will be deleted. We don't want to take it to obscene levels.
I think we can even delete this thread as there is nothing useful discussed here.
