Amarnath Land Deal

Bodhi · (This post was last modified: 08-21-2008, 01:13 PM by Bodhi.)

young detainee insists on writing his details in the police register himself

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Husky · (This post was last modified: 08-22-2008, 05:52 PM by Husky.)

1. Where's TOI's ridiculous mistranslation gone?
QUOTE(rajesh_g @ Aug 18 2008, 11:57 PM)http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/India/W...how/3378137.cms

We are Pakistanis, says Geelani

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Old habits die hard I guess - here we have a translation -> kaafiro = oppressors..

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTEDemonstrators shouting "We Want Freedom", " Aiy zaalimo, aiy kaafiro , Kashmir hamara chhod do " (Tyrants and oppressors, leave our Kashmir), as they marched past police barricades near the UN Military Observer Group in India and Pakistan (UNMOGIP) office in the summer capital Srinagar.
[right][snapback]86649[/snapback][/right]</div>That kaafiro line is not in the TOI article cited. It wasn't there by the very next day of Rajesh_g having posted it (which was when I first looked at that 2-page article).

2. Meanwhile some party of pseculars and christoislamics decide to give their uninvited opinion:

Christians insinuating themselves, how unexpected -
QUOTEAll-faith team hopes for a breakthrough
22 Aug 2008, 0242 hrs IST, Mohua Chatterjee,TNN

NEW DELHI: An "all-faith" peace mission which met both Jammu and Valley leaders is hopeful that a dialogue could begin between the two regions which could bring about a greater understanding and help prepare ground for a resolution of the dispute over land for Amarnath pilgrims.

The Centre has been quite willing to facilitate non-government players to visit the state and talk to the agitationists and has even made arrangements for the security of such delegations.

A mission comprising Muslim, Christian and Hindu leaders visited Jammu and Srinagar over the last two days. After a meeting with a Shri Amarnath Sangharsh Samiti delegation in Jammu led by Leela Karan Sharma and Hurriyat leaders in Srinagar on Wednesday, the seven-member all-faith team briefed J&K governor N N Vohra on Thursday.

The delegation had members of five Muslim organisations including Zafarul Islam Khan, president of Muslim Majlis-e-Mushawarat, Father Samuel and J K Jain. It claimed to have been able to make some headway in opening dialogue between leaders of Valley and Jammu who have been opposed to one another. "We feel we have been able to break the ice and are hopeful that something positive will come up by Friday," Navaid Hamid, member of National Integration Council, told TOI on Thursday.Who is this unlikely "JK Jain".
Bodhi, why is the uninvited bunch feeling optimistic? Any news?

And when they say "All-Faith" team, why are only christoislamiacs and purported Hindus mentioned?

Bharatvarsh · (This post was last modified: 08-22-2008, 06:10 PM by Bharatvarsh.)

QUOTE1. Where's TOI's ridiculous mistranslation gone?
Times of Pakistan usually has a habit of taking out the not so nice parts after the first day when people start discussing their pro islamic propaganda on forums, recently they had an article in which Kashmir within Indian control was referred to as "occupied kashmir" but within a day it was no longer there after people pointed it out on several forums and blogs, looks like the same thing done again.

Thankfully some people had saved the earlier article as cache, hope someone did the same here.

The right translation of "kaafiron" is "infidels" or "unbelievers".

Husky · 08-22-2008, 06:59 PM

QUOTE(Bharatvarsh @ Aug 22 2008, 06:04 PM)<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE1. Where's TOI's ridiculous mistranslation gone?
Times of Pakistan usually has a habit of taking out the not so nice parts after the first day when people start discussing their pro islamic propaganda on forums, recently they had an article in which Kashmir within Indian control was referred to as "occupied kashmir" but within a day it was no longer there after people pointed it out on several forums and blogs, looks like the same thing done again.

Thankfully some people had saved the earlier article as cache, hope someone did the same here.

The right translation of "kaafiron" is "infidels" or "unbelievers".
[right][snapback]86882[/snapback][/right]</div>Thanks Bharatavarsha.

08-22-2008, 10:34 PM

Google for the slogan "Aiy zaalimo, aiy kaafiro , Kashmir hamara chhod do".

Hindustan Times (author Rashid Ahmad)
http://www.hindustantimes.com/StoryPage/St...ent=strParentID

QUOTESlogan-shouting protestors waving religious and black flags shouted: âAiy zaalimo, aiy kaafiro, Kashmir hamara chhod do (Tyrants and oppressors, leave our Kashmir)â, as they marched past police barricades near the UN office where they wanted to submit a memorandum. They were not allowed.

newindpress
author : Sarwar Kashani | IANS
http://www.newindpress.com/NewsItems.asp?I...=Nation&Topic=0

QUOTEDemonstrators shouting "We Want Freedom", "Aiy zaalimo, aiy kaafiro, Kashmir hamara chhod do" (Tyrants and oppressors, leave our Kashmir), as they marched past police barricades near the UN Military Observer Group in India and Pakistan (UNMOGIP) office in the summer capital Srinagar. 

Gulfnews
IANS
http://gulfnews.com/world/India/10238350.html

QUOTEDemonstrators shouting "We Want Freedom", Aiy zaalimo, aiy kaafiro, Kashmir hamara chhod do (Tyrants and infidels, leave our Kashmir), as they marched past police barricades near the UN Military Observer Group in India and Pakistan (UNMOGIP) office in the summer capital Srinagar. 

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author : Sarwar Kashani

QUOTEDemonstrators shouting 'We Want Freedom', 'Aiy zaalimo, aiy kaafiro, Kashmir hamara chhod do' -, as they marched past police barricades near the UN Military Observer Group in India and Pakistan - office in the summer capital Srinagar.

ramana · (This post was last modified: 08-22-2008, 10:43 PM by ramana.)

Is it a PTI/agency report? I see its being carrried in many papers.

Or were the HT author Rashid Ahmed and IANS Sarwar Kashani qutoing and copying each other? Who wrote first?

08-22-2008, 11:17 PM

India is burning Moron SIngh sleeping or his Pagari is completly closed his ears and Catract had made him blind or its love for Muslim is more than anything else.

G.Subramaniam · 08-23-2008, 08:11 PM

I am glad that the mask has slipped off all these secularists and so called moderate muslims

Husky · (This post was last modified: 08-25-2008, 08:09 PM by Husky.)

All this "Kashmir should become independent" nonsense by the pseudo-seculars from Margaret Auntydeti Roy to Singhvi and other twats is something they've been waiting to say for a long time. And they have been able to manufacture the opportunity now thanks to Kashmiri terrorists. (Personally, I am certain they have colluded in organising and publicising it this way so that the foolishly psecular readership starts believing their spins).

I'm glad Geelani and his islamaniacs declared themselves Pakistanis. Because Pakistan is That-a-way.
Kashmir is Dharmic land that's part of Bharatam. The self-confessed Pakistanis are illegally occupying space in Dharmic Bharatam. They should be flushed back across the border and be azad in TSP's Azad Cussmir. Then they'll be azad, we'll be free from them and Dharmic land will be free from them: All happy.

www.hindustantimes.com/StoryPage/FullcoverageStoryPage.aspx?sectionName=&id=0b39bbb4-5065-4012-8e6f-b29188961981AmarnathLandRow_Special&&Headline='%20'Economic+blockade+of+Kashmir+Valley+a+myth'%20
QUOTEEconomic blockade of Kashmir Valley a myth: Jammu leaders, army
FULL COVERAGE
Jammu, August 20, 2008
First Published: 08:51 IST(20/8/2008)
Last Updated: 09:04 IST(20/8/2008)
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Was there an economic blockade of Kashmir Valley as some of its leaders are alleging?

There are conflicting stands on "economic blockade" of the Valley, with Jammu's traders terming it a "blatant lie" bandied by separatists to whip up passions while the authorities in the Valley admit there were "some disruptions" in supplies.

"Supplies were disrupted to the entire Jammu and Kashmir, just not the Valley," maintains Ram Sahai, president of Jammu's Chamber of Industry and Commerce. "The state has 22 districts, of which the 10 in Jammu and two in the Ladakh region were equally affected," Sahai says.

According to a trader, who did not want to be named, the Kashmiri leadership, whether mainstream or separatists, was "distorting facts about the supplies" as they did in the case of the Amarnath land issue.

He cited official data recorded at the Lakhanpur toll post in Kathua district of Jammu through which all trucks entering the state have to pass. More than 35,000 trucks carrying supplies reached the Kashmir Valley since July 1, according to the data recorded at the Lakhanpur post - the gateway to Jammu and Kashmir.

All essential commodities are imported into the state, from wheat, rice to raw material for industries. Pilgrims to Vaishno Devi and tourists, particularly to the Valley, also move through Lakhanpur.

However, an official spokesman in the Kashmir Valley said that from July 30 to Aug 18, "around 2,800 trucks carrying essential commodities like fuel and medicine have come to the valley.

"Around 3,300 fruit and vegetable laden trucks left the Valley during the same period for different parts of north India," the official added.

He also acknowledged there was "some disruption on the Jammu-Srinagar national highway. Otherwise we used to get 1,000 trucks per day going to the Valley".

A trader in Jammu said that during street demonstrations in July to protest the revocation of the land transfer to the Amarnath shrine board, protesters in Jammu had stoned all passing vehicles without making any distinction whether they were Jammu-bound, headed for the Valley or carrying supplies to the cold desert region of Ladakh.

"My vehicle was stoned and I saved myself by ducking," said Amrit Lal, a truck driver of Jammu, who was ferrying sheep to the Valley. "The protesters were not sparing anyone."

According to another driver, things worsened when some of the trucks made it to the Valley. Many truck drivers were beaten by mobs in south Kashmir in the last week of July. All the truck drivers headed for the valley then happened to be from Punjab. When word of the beatings reached Punjab, people there came out in protest on the highway linking Jammu and Kashmir to Punjab.

"We were carrying supplies for them and they beat us up," Narinder Singh, a driver belonging to Gurdaspur, Punjab, had told reporters on July 28 on his way back to Punjab.

"Even now if they call it an economic blockade and fuel the fire in Kashmir on a non-issue, this is the most unfortunate thing to happen," said Bali Bhagat, general secretary of the state unit of the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP).

The truckers have been the ones to lose in the violence.

Yash Pal Gupta, a trader of Kanak Mandi, a major trading centre in Jammu, says the roads are open and trucks are headed towards the Valley.

The army, paramilitary Central Reserve Police Force (CRPF) and police have been deployed at sensitive places along the highway to ensure that it is not blocked by protesters.

The Indian Army is firm on keeping the highway open. "Anybody disrupting the traffic would be severely dealt with," Lt. Gen. Vinay Sharma, whose troops are responsible for guarding the borders and counter-insurgency operations from Pathankot, Punjab, to Jammu, said at a press conference a few days ago. "There is no economic blockade; there never was one."

Commenting on economic blockade, separatist leader Sajjad Ghani Lone said: "The world has been seeing and reporting the economic blockade enforced by the extremist forces in Jammu against the Valley people. It was their frustrations and they cannot deny what is the writing on the wall."

The Jammu agitation had started on July 1, the day the then Ghulam Nabi Azad government revoked the order transferring land to the Shri Amarnath Shrine Board following massive street protests in the Valley. The Peoples Democratic Party had also withdrawn support to the government on the issue.

08-26-2008, 01:46 AM

QUOTETo save India, follow Jammu 
Pioneer.com
A Surya Prakash
For several days now, leaders of the Kashmiri separatist movement like Sajjad Lone have been repeatedly declaring that they will not give "even an inch of land" to the Sri Amarnath Shrine Board to provide facilities to Hindu pilgrims going to the holy cave in Kashmir. Alongside the uncouth behaviour and verbal threats of these so-called leaders of separatist outfits during television studio discussions, millions of Indians have also got to see demonstrators flaunting the Pakistan flag and raising pro-Pakistan slogans.

Many Indians who, thanks to the media boom, are exposed to this bigoted, intimidatory posture of Kashmiri separatists for the first time, are shocked. Till now they never knew that despite six decades of engagement with the world's largest and most vibrant democracy, people in the Kashmir Valley could be so far-removed from the liberal, democratic and secular framework within which the rest of India operates.

Young Indians are also getting acquainted for the first time with the glaring distinction between the nationalist, plural Jammu region and the secessionist, communal Kashmir Valley. While protesters in Jammu -- Hindu, Sikh and Muslim -- march with the Indian tricolour in hand and raise slogans like 'Bharat Mata ki jai', the protesters in Srinagar wave green flags of the Hurriyat or the flag of Pakistan, and the slogan that rents the air is 'Allah-o-Akbar'.

It is indeed unfortunate that even 60 years after the accession of the State of Jammu & Kashmir to India, the Kashmir Valley appears to be outside the pale of our secular democracy. It seems to be in the very same mood in which it was 600 years ago when Sultan Sikander began the onslaught on Hinduism and forced Hindus to convert to Islam or migrate. The second big assault on the Hindu minority occurred in 1989-90 when Islamic militants, aided by locals, subjected Hindus to murder, arson and loot. This pogrom led to the forced migration of over three lakh Kashmiri Pandits from the Valley to live as refugees in Jammu and Delhi.

In recent years, militants have been targeting Amarnath yatris and killing these pilgrims at temporary camps set up along the route. Yet, despite all this, Sajad Lone says that Muslims have been "taking care" of the yatris all these years and that there is really no need for a Sri Amarnath Shrine Board. Even more laughable is the statement of Mirwaiz Umer Farooq, chairman of the Hurriyat Conference, who has claimed that they "believe in secularism" and that the communalists are the Hindus who are agitating for land for the Shrine Board!

Strangely no Kashmiri separatist leader is even ashamed of the ethnic cleansing of Hindus, which is the biggest assault on a religious minority community in this part of the world. In recent times many Kashmiri separatist leaders have appeared on television shows. All of them appear defiant, bigoted, communal and anti-Indian, and yet hog a lot of airtime.

It is as if Kashmiri Muslims are exempt from any requirement of decency and civility in discourse. This over-indulgence with persons with an illiberal and anti-Indian outlook has encouraged persons like Mirwaiz Umer Farooq, Sajjad Lone and Billal Lone to sharpen their knives and become far more brazen and vicious in their attacks on the Indian state.

The plight of the Hindu minority in India's only Muslim-majority State and the pro-Pakistan slogans being raised in the Valley has its implications not just for India's unity and integrity but also for India's secular foundations and concepts of federalism. Should voices like that of Arundhati Roy, who feels the demand for 'azadi' in the Kashmir Valley must be listened to with empathy, get louder, it will amount to belated ratification of Mohammed Ali Jinnah's two-nation theory. In which case, we must widen the scope for self-determination and extend this idea to every State.

This discomfort with a secular, democratic society among sections of the people in the Valley is nothing new. Lone's forebears had displayed similar inclination for things that lie across the border. The naked face of Kashmiri Muslim communalism bared its fangs in the last century for the first time in 1947 when Muslim soldiers in the Kashmir Army deserted their officers and joined the invading Pakistani Army. The betrayal of Hindu officers by Muslim soldiers in the Kashmir Army is chronicled by VP Menon, who was Secretary in the States Ministry at the time of independence, in his book The Story of the Integration of the Indian States.

Pakistan first sent in infiltrators and then launched an all-out invasion of Jammu & Kashmir on October 22, 1947. The main raiders' column had 5,000 men who were led by regular soldiers of the Pakistani Army. When the invaders arrived at the gates of Muzaffarabad, the Kashmir State battalion, consisting of Muslims and Dogras, was commanded by Lt Col Narain Singh. All the Muslims deserted the battalion, "shot the commanding officer and his adjutant; joined the raiders, and acted as advance-guard to the raiders' column... All the Muslims in the State Forces had deserted and many had joined the raiders".

The raiders then marched towards Uri. Brig Rajinder Singh, the Chief of Staff of the State Forces, managed to gather 150 men and met the invaders at Uri. Brig Singh engaged the enemy in a fierce battle for two days and in a rearguard action destroyed the Uri bridge. "The brigadier himself and all his men were cut to pieces in this action." The dare devilry of these valiant soldiers delayed the onward thrust of the invading Army.

Thus, although the Pakistanis were at the doorsteps of Srinagar, there was just enough time for the Government to airlift troops to Srinagar and secure the State capital. Paying a tribute to the courage of Brig Singh, Menon says it was only appropriate that the first Maha Vir Chakra was awarded to this great soldier, albeit posthumously.

These facts of history tell their own story. The betrayal of Brig Rajinder Singh and Lt Col Narain Singh by Muslim soldiers in 1947 has its echo in the events in Jammu & Kashmir today. The past has cast its long shadow on the present. Obviously, there are leaders in the Valley who continue to long for Pakistan and who have no compunctions in trampling upon the rights of the Hindu minority in the State.

Every Indian who cares for India's unity and integrity and our liberal, secular and democratic way of life, must be ready to make the kind of sacrifices that Brig Singh and Lt Col Singh made over 60 years ago if we wish to retain Jammu & Kashmir as an integral part of India. Gutsy citizens of Jammu are showing us the way. We must salute and emulate them.

Bharatvarsh · 08-26-2008, 06:27 AM

QUOTEMosque being constructed at controversial Baltal siteÂ
JKPM lambastes NC, PDP for Amarnath yatraÂ
King C BharatiÂ 8/17/2008 7:17:36 PM

Jammu, Aug 16: The controversy regarding the construction of concrete structures at Baltal by Shri Amarnath Shrine Board is all set to deepen further with the revelations that Muslim community of the area is constructing a huge Jamia Masjid exactly inside the camp site at Baltal prompting Hindus to ask whether only Hindu structures were a threat to ecology.
In a press release Jammu and Kahsmir Peace Movement (JKPM) has expressed grave concern that while on the one hand Kashmiri Muslims say that construction of any kind at the place would be a biggest threat to ecology on the other hand they are in the process of constructing a huge Mosque exactly inside the Baltal Camp site where pilgrims stay.
The place which has put the entire state on boil with twin regions burning for the past more than a month this new revelation is likely to add fuel to the already burning fire.
The press note issued by Krishan Koul, Chairman of J&K Peace Movement has expressed his grave concern over the recent statements by some political forces of the state, adding that the construction of Jamia Masjid inside the camping site with the help of local contractor Shajan and his brother at Baltal was a ploy to create another controversy to damage the secular fabric of the state.
Supporting his argument with recent photographs of the site Koul said that while interacting with the locals of the area one Mr. Bashir Ahmed told them that the construction of the Jamia Masjid would start once the yatra was over and lakhs of rupees have already been collected for the said construction. Koul has requested the administration to take strict note of this development to avoid another controversy which may lead to more problems for the administration.
Decrying Peoples Democratic Party, NC and other political parties of the Valley for raking up controversies over the annual pilgrimage of Shri Amarnathji, Koul has said that pilgrimage poses no threat of any sort to the ecology of place and some political forces of the state are hell bent to politicize the issue for their personal gains.
In the statement issued here on Saturday, Koul said that the Shrine Board (SASB) had taken all the precautions to preserve the ecology of the area but it were some political forces of the state who try to gain political mileage by raking up the issue time and again.
He further said that the workers of his party visited the base camps at Baltal and observed that every precaution was taken to preserve the ecology of the area.
He said that the concerned board has taken all the measures to maintain health and hygiene in the camping sites and en-route the Cave Shrine and present turmoil was only to hoodwink the nation.

http://www.dailyshadow.in/theshadow/artdet.aspx?q=877

Bodhi · 08-26-2008, 08:16 PM

Tandava in Jammu - Movement for Sri Amarnath Land:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mom7hukrn8E

ramana · 08-27-2008, 12:31 AM

Was this widely commented in the DDM?

QUOTEIt's murder
The Kashmiri separatist movement is in self-destruct mode again, writes N.V.Subramanian.

22 August 2008: The National Security Advisor, M.K.Narayanan's shocking disclosure to the Union cabinet that Sheikh Abdul Aziz was murdered by his Hurriyat colleagues and did not fall to police bullets heading a procession to Muzzaffarabad would drop temperatures in Kashmir. No Hurriyat or other separatist leader will publicly endorse the NSA, and predictably, they will condemn it as Indian government propaganda.

But remember that Kashmiri Muslims are a small community, and nothing remains hidden very long from them. For example, they know that Pakistan ordered the assassination of Maulvi Muhammad Farooq, the present Mirwaiz, Umar Farooq's father, and Abdul Ghani Lone. And they accept that the Hizbul Mujahideen, once backed by Pakistan with funds, weapons and military training, generally and ruthlessly targeted JKLF cadres, because its demand for Kashmiri independence most reflected the people's will then.

But no Kashmiri Muslim leader will readily acknowledge the truth of Abdul Aziz's murder. In private conversations, they may reveal some, and Kashmiri journalists would be the first to know. It is not clear who the NSA's sources are, but he would have a variety of informants, besides the forensic report on Aziz's death. But as the shock and horror of the murder spreads, it will slowly but steadily impact on the Hurriyat protests. Already, there is resentment at the most pro-Pakistan of the secessionists, Syed Ali Shah Geelani's attempts to take control of the protests. Abdul Aziz's murder will add to the rift, and may be the internal, though deeply buried, cause of the rift.

While the government will, and should, give the widest publicity to this murder, to alert Kashmiris how the separatist movement has amucked itself, there are other reasons also to suggest that the secessionist temperature will drop. Kashmiris know that 2008 is not 1989-90 when "azaadi" seemed "around the corner". That was also roughly the time of the break-up of the Soviet Union, and Pakistani jihadi strategists thought if the communist empire could unravel, so could India, a far lesser power. Besides, India was already embattled on the Punjab front.

But the army prevented the separation of Kashmir, and bit by bit, control was regained over the Valley. That was also the time when the so-called mujahideen were coming to power in Afghanistan, and a lot of Afghan irregulars were inserting into Kashmir. Later, even the Taliban was supposed to turn its fiery attack against J and K, but the army remained undaunted. Then Pakistan realized the limitations of employing Kashmiri militants, and it set up Pakistani terrorist groups like the Lashkar-e-Toiba and the Jaish-e-Mohammed, although the Jaish was a post-Kandahar hijack development. Yet all this Indian forces endured, and they fought a hard war to bring reasonable peace to Kashmir. 

Kashmiris know that however much they demonstrate, or march to the local UN office, independence and separation from India are not coming. This writer is not going into the moral issues of keeping Kashmir, but the fact is the Indian State is very powerful, and J and K will remain a part of India for the foreseeable future. This fact, if reinforced sufficiently on the ground in Kashmir, will rob the separatist movement of passion and immediacy, and Sheikh Abdul Aziz's murder revelation will further assist the cause. But care should be taken that the security forces exercise restraint, and do not shoot unless gravely provoked. 

Jammu is the source of apprehension, and nothing short of return of one hundred acres to the Amarnath Shrine Board will resolve matters. That the transfer of land is temporary, only for two months during the Amarnath Yatra, and that the proprietorship of land remains unchanged with the forest department, should be hammered again and again in the Valley, till the mood changes, which is possible.

N.V.Subramanian is Editor, NewsInsight.net. Har-Anand has published his new second novel, Courtesan of Storms.

ramana · 08-27-2008, 01:04 AM

Follow-up to above post. From Kashmir Times. Google for the link if you want.

QUOTEShiekh Aziz's killing
No takers for NSA 's claim

Monitor News Bureau
Srinagar: National Security Advisor M.K. Narayanan's reported briefing to the union cabinet that Kashmiri separatist leader Sheikh Aziz was not killed by a police bullet has been dismissed in the valley with both police and doctors saying that no investigation was done to establish how exactly he died. Leader of the Mirwaiz-led separatist Huriyat Conference Sheikh Aziz was killed Aug 11 while leading a huge eMuzaffarabad Chalo f protest march to Pakistan-administered Kashmir over the alleged geconomic blockade h by protesters in Hindu-dominated Jammu. His killing gave a frenzied twist to the land row agitation in the Kashmir Valley. According to doctors at the SMHS hospital here, bullet-injured Aziz was brought to the hospital with protruding intestines on Aug 11 . He (Aziz) was brought dead. We couldn ft conduct any post mortem because the body was soon taken by an angry mob for funeral, h said a doctor on condition of anonymity. The doctor said the bullet had gpierced through Aziz fs body and even forensic experts cannot say what kind of bullet hit him h. gThe bullet had entered the left side of his back and left from the right side, h said the doctor who said he had seen Aziz fs body. Narayanan, according to media reports, has told the union cabinet that investigations have established that the bullet that killed Aziz wasnt fired by security forces trying to prevent the protest marchers from moving forward, implying that he may have been killed by people trying to stoke trouble. However, according to sources, the Jammu and Kashmir Police has not initiated any investigation into any recent killings in Kashmir, include Aziz's. We have just lodged FIRs (First Information Reports) and detailed investigations would be launched soon, said a police officer. Narayanan's disclosure, if true, would be another whodunit in Kashmir fs political murder mysteries. Aziz's colleagues in the separatist camp have refused to buy Narayanan fs disclosure. Nobody is going to believe this (Narayanan's) theory. He was killed in police and paramilitary firing and I am an eyewitness to that,Â said Shabir Shah, who was alongside Aziz while leading the march Aug 11. Aziz fell to the forces' bullets in front of senior administrative and police officials, h Shah said. District commissioner Baseer Khan and district police chief B. Sreenivas were there and even they know who killed Aziz, h Shah said, adding that Narayanan fs disclosure was aimed at creating a split in the separatist camp. Even though Shah claims to be an eyewitness, the police official said there was gno clear account h of the firing during the Aug 11 separatists f march to cross the Line of Control that divides Kashmir between India and Pakistan. However, Aziz fs death and that of other civilians in alleged police firing has turned out to be a rallying point for separatists in their anti-India tirade during the past two weeks.

2008-08-24 11:58:19Â


The key points are
- Sheikh Aziz was shot while leading a demonstration to cross LOC from Indian side.
- He was from the Mir Waiz's faction of Hurriyat supposed to be the less extremist faction.
- th bullet entered from left side of the back. meaning he was hot from behind ie the crowd side and not the front which is the police side.
- the damage looks like a non-regulation bullet and could have been fired from the crowd to wards the police. Regulation high velocity bullets have cleqn entrance an exit wounds. The police use 7.62mm bullets. This one looks like it tumbled insdie the poor guy. M16 has such characteristics.

- Shabir Shah is lying as it would lead the tempo to go down for the agitators if it comes out the leader was shot from the crowd side.

- Indian press is not reproting the story properly as it does not have national interests.

08-27-2008, 01:12 AM

Shabir Shah is paki and Saudi stooge. But I don't trust Narayanan also, he had history of floating rumors. Valley Kashmiries, one can't trust. Only solution remove 370 article. But Congress will keep 370 intact, divide and rule policy. Why rest of Indian Muslims never raise voice against Kashmiri Muslims. Rest Indian Muslims are also heading towards same direction?

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