BJP Future - 5

10-08-2007, 10:14 PM

QUOTE(Bodhi @ Oct 8 2007, 09:59 PM)Governer recommends president rule.
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They might even dissolve in haste. JD(S) had all the chance to be dignified and be part of the continuity. They just created a mess for themselves and will be gone. It is not easy after give a letter of withdrawl and CM's resignation to claim back the governement. It is a big legality that they gave to Gov so that he can do his master's voice.

I believe it is over until SC involves with speed.

**acharya** · 10-08-2007, 10:22 PM

QUOTE(Bodhi @ Oct 8 2007, 09:59 PM)Governer recommends president rule.
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Not confirmed yet.

It is too late in Bangalore now. Morning news will give the actual picture.

We can figure out who is giving fake news

Rediff is one such online news group.

Bodhi · (This post was last modified: 10-08-2007, 10:33 PM by Bodhi.)

QUOTEWe can figure out who is giving fake news

Rediff is one such online news group.
above was a flash in Aaj Tak channel a few mins back.

10-09-2007, 02:35 AM

QUOTEKarnataka heading for President's rule 
Pioneer.com
PT Bopanna | Bangalore
On a day when it was proved that anything can happen in politics, the beleaguered Karnataka Chief Minister HD Kumaraswamy resigned late on Monday evening amid speculation that his Janata Dal (Secular) party wanted to support a BJP-led Government to avoid President's rule.

According to sources, the last minute move to bring about a reconciliation between the estranged coalition partners - the BJP and the JD(S) - was initiated by a leading pontiff of the Vokkaliga clan. 

So much so, senior BJP leader and former deputy Chief Minister BS Yediyurappa, who was on a tour of Tumkur district to address the people about the betrayal committed by outgoing Chief Minister Kumaraswamy, rushed back to Bangalore following reports of a patch-bid and fresh negotiations between the estranged partners.

However, it is learnt that the move failed to take off with the Raj Bhavan getting a diktat from the Congress high command to impose President's rule. Governor Rameshwar Thakur tried to nip in the bud the move by the JD(S)-BJP to form an alternative Government.

In the wake of the BJP withdrawing its support to the 20-month-old BJP-JD(S) coalition Government following the failure of Kumaraswamy to transfer the Chief Minister's baton to Yediyurappa on October 3, Kumaraswamy called on the Governor on Monday morning, when he was asked by the latter to put in his papers since he had lost his majority.

Kumaraswamy met his father and JD(S) president HD Deve Gowda and party legislators and later announced his decision to resign in the evening.

According to reports, Kumaraswamy while handing over his resignation, had suggested in the letter that the two coalition partners could team up again to form Government.

Congress general secretary in-charge of Karnataka Prithviraj Chavan met the Governor earlier in the day and demanded that the Kumaraswamy Government be dismissed immediately in the wake of its coalition partner BJP withdrawing support. Besides, a Congress delegation led by N Dharam Singh called on the Governor and demanded imposition of Central rule in the State.

The Congress MLAs submitted individual letters to the Governor, stating that they would not support any Government other than the one formed by their party.

Meanwhile, Yediyurappa, who rushed back from Tumkur following revival of talks between the estranged coalition partners, reportedly consulted the RSS and his party high command on the developments.

However, the BJP high command reportedly distanced itself from any move for a reconciliation with the JD(S). The move to bring about a patch-up between the partners was initiated by former JD(S) Minister Chaluvarayaswamy, a close confidante of Kumaraswamy.

It is learnt that taken aback by the mounting criticism that he had gone back on his word to transfer power to the BJP on October 3 and also criticism from his own JD(S) legislators for not keeping his word, Kumaraswamy wanted to make amends by deciding to support a BJP-led Government. 

According to reports, at the JD(S) legislature party meeting, there were heated exchanges between Kumaraswamy and his brother and former minister HD Revanna, who opposed moves to extend support to a BJP Government as the move did not have the approval of their father Deve Gowda.

The Raj Bhavan is likely to issue a communication on Tuesday on the action taken by the Governor regarding the political stalemate in the State.

**acharya** · 10-09-2007, 05:03 AM

Kumaraswamy to quit, may support BJP govt

By IE
Tuesday October 9, 04:46 AM

With a blunt advice from Governor Rameshwar Thakur asking him to resign in the backdrop of his inability to cobble numbers in his favour, the curtains were down on the political drama of the last fortnight. Karnataka chief minister HD Kumaraswamy on Monday not only decided to resign, but has agreed to swap power with the BJP by handing over letter of support for installing a BJP-led government in the state.

With the Congress finally coming out with its stand that it would have no truck with the JD(S) and demanding dismissal of the government and imposition of President's Rule, the Governor consulted constitution experts and had a meeting with the chief minister.

Kumaraswamy, to whose government the BJP on Sunday formally withdrew support after he failed to transfer power, declined to disclose details of his discussions with the governor merely saying he had been given an 'advise'.

Sources in the Raj Bhawan, however, claimed that the Governor had told the chief minister that he did not have the requisite numbers to prove his majority and what was his opinion on tendering his resignation.

Kumaraswamy, whose cabinet had sought, convening of the assembly on October 18 for a floor test, promised to get back to the governor by late in the evening.

''After the JDS legislature party meeting (to be held at 5.30 pm on Monday), I will resign'', Kumaraswamy later informed reporters.

Two Congress delegations, which met the governor, demanded the dismissal of the Kumaraswamy Government, noting that it had been reduced to a minority after the coalition partner BJP withdrew its support.

Meanwhile, sources in Banglore said that Kumaraswamy had almost finally agreed to play a second fiddle in the state by paving the way for former deputy chief minister BS Yediyurappa to become the chief minister. They said that Kumaraswamy, Yediyurappa, JDS MLAs and some BJP MLAs had gone into a huddle amid indications that the two parties might come together again to form the government. Kumaraswamy is expected to resign this evening and then meet the governor to apprise him of the hectic political developments.

The move is otherwise seen as a direct consequence of all hopes of JD(S) retaining power in the state have dashed in the backdrop of the governor asking Kumaraswamy to resign.

Last week, during negotiations on transfer of power, all the JD(S) MLAs rallied behind the father-son duo (former prime minister HD Deve Gowda and Kumaraswamy), who bargained hard with BJP and finally refused to handover baton in the state, with a hope that the party would be able to hold on to power. But, as the governor asked the chief minister to resign, the JD(S) MLAs, who stand to lose their perks if the assembly is dissolved, put pressure on Kumaraswamy to pave way for handing over chief ministership to BJP.

10-09-2007, 07:33 AM

JD(S)-BJP maths goes wrong; Kumaraswamy quits

BANGALORE: Step aside T20 excitement. The political inswingers and outswingers in Karnataka went so drunken wild on Monday that all parties were either stumped or clean bowled.

Capping a day and night of high drama, a cornered, hapless and crest-fallen Chief Minister H D Kumaraswamy met Governor Rameshwar Thakur and submitted his resignation paving the way for Presidentâs rule.

But all this was preceded by talks of a remarriage between the JD(S) and the BJP. The JD(S) almost handed over power to the BJP by agreeing to make former Deputy Chief Minister B S Yediyurappa the Chief Minister with Kumaraswamy becoming his deputy.

Yediyurappa was summoned from his anti-JD(S) yatra that was flagged off in Tumkur. But just before the remarriage, in came Kumaraswamyâs elder brother H D Revanna who reportedly gave a dressing down to the Chief Minister.

Sources say that the face off was so violent, emotional and turbulent that Kumaraswamy at one point broke down and decided to quit and not give power to the BJP.

Remember what Kumaraswamy had said a couple of days ago? âIn politics anything can happen.â Well, that is what happened on Monday.

The only difference was that Kumaraswamy did not know what was happening. But the BJP too took a tough stand refusing to again fall into the JD(S) trap.

While the local unit was surprised and also ready to share bed with the JD(S) once again, the party high command said a firm âNO.â What is the guarantee that the JD(S) will not go back on its promise after a couple of months, asked the high command.

The JD(S) was forced to go back to the BJP as the other suitor, the Congress, refused Kumaraswamyâs hand. The Congress, earlier in the day, met the Governor and told him that there was no question of extending any support to the JD(S). Soon after, the Governor summoned Kumaraswamy and asked him to either quit gracefully or face dismissal.

Raj Bhavan sources said the Governor told the Chief Minister that he did not have the requisite numbers to prove his majority and what was his opinion on tendering his resignation.

The meeting with the Governor took place early on Monday. âHe (Rameshwar Thakur) advised me on the current political issue in the state and it is on that basis that I took the decision,â Kumaraswamy said.

A flustered Kumaraswamy rushed to his father for advice even as pressure was building from party MLAs. While a majority favoured a tie-up with the BJP, Revanna stormed in and played the emotional card saying that if anything happens to Deve Gowda, Kumaraswamy would be responsible.

For BJP leader Yediyurappa, it was again a case of so near yet so far.

CONG MEET: The Congressâ core group committee met in New Delhi to take stock of the situation in Karnataka. The meeting, which lasted for about 30 minutes, is understood to have discussed a report sent by the Governor on the situation in the state. The meeting was held at the residence of Prime Minister Manmohan Singh.

10-09-2007, 09:03 AM

here are some comments from different fora
QUOTENow the 20-20 match will start between the good (Lingayats) and the betrayers (Gowdas). It is gonna be very interesting.
Lingayats, Brahmins, Jains and some OBCs will be with BJP.
Muslims, Christians and most OBCs, SCs and STs will support the Congress.
The Gowdas form the JD-S base.Woohoo!!


QUOTEÂ
RE:20-20 match
by Shivkumar Singh on Oct 09, 2007 08:40 AM
Telugus will be split between the BJP and Congress. Tamils will vote JDS or congress except the Brahmins(Iyers/Iyengars) who will go with the BJP(80%) or Congress (15%).

Lingayats will not let Yediyurappa and the BJP down. Bunts and Konkanis might also go with the BJP.

North Indians will go with the BJP.

BJP if they are united and smart can win this. Arun Jaitley types will be needed to manage for victory.

10-09-2007, 09:54 PM

Known also as Gowdas, the Vokkaligas comprise 15 % of Karnatakaâs 5 crore population. The Lingayats are slightly larger at 17 %. Vokkaligas are spread across south Karnataka districts of Bangalore, Kolar, Mandya, Mysore, Hassan and Chikmagalur.

The hold of the two communities spreads beyond politics. Although not among the most educated castes â that privilege is still held by the Brahmins â the Vokkaligas and the Lingayats control many of Karnatakas private schools and colleges, including the cash-spouting medical and technical colleges that require astronomical capitation fees to enter. Not surprisingly, the two castes missed out on the IT binge.

In the last election BJP was the single largest party and Gowda's JD(S) was the third. But JD(S) ruled for 40 months by playing congress against BJP and Vice Versa! Unless BJP makes inroads into the Vokkaliga community the same game will get repeated i.e. BJP gets most seats but will be denied the privilege to rule.

10-10-2007, 01:59 AM

President puts Karnataka Legislature under suspended animation. Let the horse trading begin again!

"The cabinet has approved recommendation of (the) governor of Karnataka. The state legislature will be kept under suspended animation with president's rule," Finance Minister Palaniappan Chidambaram told a news conference after a cabinet meeting."

10-10-2007, 04:22 AM

QUOTEBangalore burlesque 
The Pioneer Edit Desk
Time for BJP to put house in order
Like the posse of policemen in the prototypical Hindi film, the BJP central leadership always gets to the scene of the drama after the action is over. In Karnataka, a wild, last-minute operation by sections of the local BJP led to the ludicrous sight of outgoing Chief Minister HD Kumaraswamy first resigning, then driving back to Raj Bhavan and telling the Governor not to dissolve the Assembly and recommend President's rule but, instead, swear in a BJP Government with JD(S) support. Considering over the past fortnight Mr Kumaraswamy and his father, the irrepressible Mr HD Deve Gowda, had humiliated the BJP, insulted its politics and refused to hand over the Chief Minister's office to it, as per an agreement reached 20 months ago, the turnaround was astonishing. Admittedly, Mr Kumaraswamy was under pressure from party legislators worried about a caste revolt - the BJP's chief ministerial aspirant is a Lingayat, the Gowdas are Vokkaligas - and terrified at the prospect of a snap poll. What could have been the BJP's compulsions? It had captured the moral high ground, escaping from a scandal-ridden coalition in the best possible manner. Recent local bodies' elections had indicated that the BJP retained its standing - it was the single largest party in the 2004 Assembly election - and the party should have been ready for another battle. Instead, it displayed desperation for power, right down to a farcical midnight manoeuvre. The strangest part of the episode was that the central leadership seemed to have little clue as to what was going on in Bangalore. The State unit was presumably acting on its own, having invoked the BJP constitution's equivalent of Article 370.

If Karnataka was an aberration, it could have been forgiven. Yet, the negligence - deliberate or otherwise - of the BJP's national functionaries is most apparent in Gujarat. Two former Chief Ministers - one should have retired long ago and the other is incapable of winning a municipal seat - have turned bolshie. One is comparing BJP rule in Gujarat to Nazi Germany. The other, with his cohorts, is negotiating an entry into the Congress and being fairly open about it. What is the BJP doing? Precisely nothing. The central leadership of the party appears to be unwilling to take disciplinary action and is happy to let the wound bleed. The phrase 'cutting your nose to spite your face' naturally comes to mind.

Every political party has its problems with dissidents and rebels. Its true test comes in how it deals with these issues. A strong, decisive leadership will take firm action, will not be cowed down or bullied - and will automatically find its credibility rising with the electorate. This is the lesson the BJP has to draw. On the other hand, if the centre cracks, if State satraps begin doing their own thing - sabotaging the larger party directive or forming Governments or even fighting elections autonomously - a party's national leadership will end up looking hollow. At this rate, the BJP runs the risk of not resembling an all-India party but a conglomeration of mostly fractious provincial units. Which alternative would it prefer?

10-10-2007, 04:26 AM

QUOTEBJP gets into poll mode 
Pioneer.com
Kumar Uttam | New Delhi
'Ulta Pulta Alliance (UPA) cannot run coalition Govt'
As the UPA Government at the Centre appears to be on its last legs, the BJP has started preparing for mid-term polls.

Central envoys of the party have been rushed to States to identify potential seats and candidates, who could be fielded in the imminent snap polls.

BJP president Rajnath Singh told The Pioneer that after a fortnight-long drive that would come to an end on October 15, the central envoys would brief party high-command about the "political scenario" and "ground realities" in different parts of the country.

"They will also brief about the seats that the BJP could fight on and the potential candidate who could be fielded from these constituencies," Rajnath said. At the moment, the BJP is looking to identify at least 350 seats that it plans to contest.

Sources said that presidents of the State units of the BJP, in-charges for election and in-charge of party affairs in different States were going to have a meeting in New Delhi with BJP president Rajnath Singh and Leader of the Opposition LK Advani anytime after Diwali. "The meeting will discuss different issues related to the possible mid-term poll," a senior BJP leader said.

Presently, the BJP is concentrating on three core issues relating to selection of seats and subsequently the candidates, identification of core election issues and potential alliance with whom the party could have a pre-poll or a post-poll alliance.

"Price rise, growing terrorism, rampant corruption, threat to Ram Setu and religion-based appeasement are going to be the core issue. The confusion that the Left and the Congress have created with their flip-flop on the controversial India-US nuclear deal will also be an important issue," a senior BJP office bearer said.

The most crucial issue confronting the BJP at the moment is to find out new allies for the NDA. At a time when NDA partner All India Trinamool Congress has hinted at walking out of the alliance and BJP's pact with the JD(S) in Bangalore has fallen flat, the party is desperate to take new parties on board.

BJP vice-president Mukhtar Abbas Naqvi, who is also the in-charge of central election management and monitoring cell, believes a few parties that are hesitant in joining the NDA before the elections will surely join hands after the polls.

Meanwhile, the BJP on Tuesday said the nation was "tired" and indeed "fatigued" by the farce, which went in the name of the UPA. Party spokesman Ravishankar Prasad said it was now finally evident that an alliance of mutually hostile and antagonistic elements like the Congress and the Left based solely upon common hatred against the BJP was inherently unstable.

Describing the UPA as an "Ulta Pulta Alliance", the main Opposition party also sought to puncture the Congress' stability plank and said it was not in the ruling party's DNA to run a coalition Government.

10-28-2007, 10:09 AM

QUOTEYediyurappa to sworn as next Chief Minister of Karnataka
10/27/2007 4:57:07 AMÂ HK
BANGALORE: In a sudden development JD(S) has decided to support BJP to form a coalition govt in Karnataka again. The process of forming a BJP-JDS government with B S Yediyurappa (BJP) as Chief Minister has begun, JD(S) spokesman Y S V Dadda said. The former Chief Minister, Kumaraswamy, is expected to send in letter of support to Governor Rameshwar Thakur by 4 pm. BJP leader Yediyurappa is expected to sworn as Chief Minister within couple of days.

10-30-2007, 02:05 AM

How stupid was Gowda family? They were thinking they had hit jackpot, but they had become jack-fools.

Karnataka: BJP to get home ministry; JD-S financeQUOTEAs the day when B S Yediyurappa will take over as chief minister of Karnataka nears, both the Janata Dal-Secular and the Bharatiya Janata Party seem to have reached a consensus over the portfolios.

The two parties were at war till just three weeks ago regarding the sharing of the portfolios, but at the moment everything seems fine between the two parties.

While there is still some confusion in the JD-S camp regarding the post of deputy chief minister, party sources say that in all probability former chief minister H D Kumaraswamy will take the post.

In case Kumaraswamy refuses the post, his brother H D Revanna is being pitched for the post, by their father H D Deve Gowda.
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Gowda dynasty forever. Lets see whether Congress will play cheap and go for President rule.

10-31-2007, 01:51 AM

QUOTECongress back to old tactics 
Pioneer.com
Nidhi Sharma | New Delhi
Wants to seek presidential reference on Karnataka
The Congress party is exploring all legal and constitutional options to stop the BJP from forming a Government in Karnataka, the latter's first in south India. One of the options that the Congress is seriously considering is Presidential reference -- wherein the President, after a recommendation from the Governor, may seek the Supreme Court's opinion on the crisis.

The party is treading very carefully on the Karnataka issue. After being rebuked by the Supreme Court over dissolution of Bihar Assembly, the party is not taking any chance this time. Technically, the ball is in the court of Governor Rameshwar Thakur. He has to prepare a report on Karnataka and send his recommendations to President Pratibha Patil.

Senior leaders pointed out that Thakur would have to satisfy himself about the stability factor before recommending revoking of President's rule. This means that if the Governor feels Congress' charges of horse-trading are true or that BJP-JD(S) coalition would not provide a stable Government to Karnataka, he would recommend dissolution of Assembly.

Party sources, however, pointed out that if such a recommendation is given, it could lead to a political crisis with the Centre coming under direct fire from the Opposition. Congress spokesman Veerappa Moily said, "This is the first time that such a curious case has come before the Governor where the same combination of political parties has approached the Governor for forming the Government again. This would set a precedent for future cases."

Sources said that since there is not an "exact precedent" to follow, the Governor could lob the ball in the President's court, who in turn could ask the Supreme Court for its opinion. This opinion, however, would not be binding on the President.

A senior leader said, "The Presidential reference would be the easiest and safest political option for the Congress. This way future petitions in the Supreme Court can also be legally handled."

The Congress is now ensuring that it makes appropriate noise about the stability of the BJP-JD(S) combine and horse-trading. Moily said, "It proves that they can do anything for power. They have furnished affidavits from MLAs but even these were taken before hand. There have been allegations that some MLAs were made to sign blank papers."
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11-01-2007, 08:40 PM

QUOTEThe party is treading very carefully on the Karnataka issue
It might not be bad idea to sit this one out or go to polls as victims of conspiracy hatched by Gowda's party in cahoots with Congress. If BJP goes with Gowda, the governace and adminstration will take back seat and it'll full time servicing Gowda's whims and fancies.

Rediff coverage of Karnataka

ramana · 11-04-2007, 10:54 AM

UNI reports

QUOTEJD(S) to withdraw support unless BJP signs MoU:Kumaraswamy

Created on : 11/02/2007 01:57 PM (TOP 2)

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Bangalore, Nov 4 (UNI) Former Karnataka Chief Minister
H D Kumaraswamy said Janata Dal(S) would withdraw its
support to Bharatiya Janata Party, if it fails to sign the
Memorandum of Understanding.
Talking to newspersons here yesterday, he said ''if the BJP does not sign the MoU sent by JD(S) supremo H D Deve Gowda, it may withdraw
support for forming the Government''.
Among other things, the MoU sent for signing by BJP National
President Rajnath Singh and Mr B S Yeddyurappa, it contained
dissolution of the Assembly along with Lok Sabha election.
Meanwhile, in a major development, Governor Rameshwar Thakur
held discussion with Mr Kumaraswamy.
Speaking after the meeting, Mr Kumaraswamy, however, declined to
divulege the details of the discussion.
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BJP should let the state go for polls. The Deve Gowda family are not to be trusted.

11-04-2007, 10:27 PM

JD(S) for unconditional support to BJP4 Nov, 2007, 1859 hrs IST, PTI

BANGALORE: Former Karnataka Chief Minister and JD(S) leader HD Kumaraswamy on Sunday said his party would not impose conditions while forming a government with the BJP, and would extend "unconditional" support to the saffron party.

"A section of electronic media has been portraying my party badly in the eyes of public after JD(S) supremo H D Deve Gowda mooted a 12-point suggestion. Hereafter, we will not set any condition. Our support will also be unconditional" Kumaraswamy said in a hurriedly convened press conference.

Taking a dig at the media, which drew his ire frequently during the press meet, the former Chief Minister said: "Henceforth, I will take advice from electronic media."

Alleging that media had distorted the remarks he made after calling on the Governor Rameshwar Thakur on Wednesday, Kumaraswamy said: "I have decided to surrender to silence in the wake of electronic media unnecessarily targeting me and my party".

The former Chief Minister, however, cautioned that his party will not be responsible for any untoward incident that would occur after the BJP-led government assumed office and declared "neither the media nor people should blame it".

"A wave of confusion had swept the political scene in the state since September 30, when senior BJP leader Yashwant Sinha called on Deve Gowda," he said, adding there were attempts to project JD(S) as the party responsible for the political situation.

11-05-2007, 02:47 AM

Gowda family should join circus of fools. WHat a shame?

ramana · (This post was last modified: 11-07-2007, 03:34 AM by ramana.)

The nation needs all its people whether fools or otherwise. Thats the need of the hour. Unconditional support is what is needed right now. Otherwise Gov. Thakur will say its not a viable soultion and no govt formation will occur in Karnataka.

11-06-2007, 12:09 AM

ramana,
In place of smooth power transfer, Gowda family opted for cheapest trick and now in deep ditch. Just can't imagine he was one time India's PM. During his tenure I was not watching India's political situation so I am clueless about his policies as PM, except later came to know his great decision on defense purchase.
Yes, India need all variety and India is lucky, they are not short of fools from top to bottom.

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