Advices To BJP Party

[Guest]

2014: BJP should look for 25% of the seats in TN and WB. These states have been run by goons, and continuation of these goons will lead to more evangelisation in these states.

[Guest]

SwamyG gaaru,

I believe evangelization is more in TN than in AP. Folks are concentrating too much on AP because of YSR. In fact I see DMK+INC victory in TN is due to consolidated evangelical vote towards DMK+INC. One more fact that the analysts are missing is that just like IM consolidation, there is evengelical consolidation too against NDA.

[Guest]

<b>Lotus TV to start from Tamil Nadu</b>


Blaming the lack of proper media exposure for the recent losses in the election in Tamil Nadu, the state unit of the BJP has decided to have a channel of it won. They will call it Lotus TV.


How far will the dream become successful is to be seen. What kind of examples it can set for the national party in issues and how it can steer away from controversies especially with a totally anti-BJP party in power at the centre is also to be seen.

http://www.haindavakeralam.com/HKPage.aspx...eID=8749&SKIN=B

[Guest]

Muppalla: I agree with you. Having studied at the money pouring in from the USA, it is alarming. TN leads the country in receiving the money. It is my prediction that after Karunanidhi dies, Tamil Muslims will rise as a force. Karunanidhi is indirectly helping us to keep the Muslim identity in check.

Aryan: Lotus TV (thamarai TV) has been on the internet well before the elections. Just like the other Indian websites, it sucks. We are bad at content generation as well as content presentation.

[ramana]

Its all related to the US plans to break up India by 2015. Recall a witness in the Malegoan trial saying that he was inofrmed of this paln. I wondered about that and I think the creation of separate identity blocs is a way to do this. TN and Punjab were always on the US radar to set off centripetal forces. TN Seshan had some very harssh things to say about CN Annadorai and his US links. In deep background I wouldnt be surprised if MNS of Raj Thackeray is also US funded.

The 2015 is related to the economic projections of the RAND report which project a taekoff around that time and the US strategic goal to prevent any regional challenger emerging. Its upto India to stick together and pprove them all wrong.
They say of George Washington that all he had to do to win the War against the Brits was to ensure that his forces stay together and in one piece to give the decisive blow which he did inthe battle of Yorktown. Similarly to negate all the Anglo-Saxon plans for breaking up India since Churchill's time is to stick together and keep the progress.

The BJP and other nationalist forces should recognize this and make the necessary sacrifices to ensure this happens.

[Guest]

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Do you know how to get interview or speech of ex President. Next day after Godhra attack by Indian Muslims, Bill Clinton gave a speech and interview afterwards, which I saw on TV, where he mentioned India will breakup in Princely states as it was before Independence, same happened with Bosnia and Serbs. In India, Princely states are fighting for freedom and religion is also in mix.

[Guest]

Is Secularism the Solution to Communal Conflict in India? Dr. Jakob De Roover (Ghent University, Belgium) answers the platform question at Rethinking Religion in India 2009


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9EENL8IjZI

[Guest]

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ramanaji,

Are our intelligience agencies sleeping? Why can't we cancel the nuclear deal?
Also BJP must raise in Parliament to ban the moeny coming from outside to NGO's.

[ramana]

No need to make a fuss. Need to work quietly with understanding to negate the big picture. And the nuke deal gives India something that they dont want. So take advantage of it and build more plants everywhere needed.

[Guest]

Ramana gaaru: Breaking up India you say? It is very scary. Now what can we as aam admi do? If I were to go and spread this around, I am going to be laughed at by the folks.

I consider myself a liberal, and when I try to educate and inform some folks in Orkut - it is an uphill task. People are all proud about India - but the youngsters are all on the bandwagon - modernism, development, growth, tolerance, peace, secularism etc. People think all religions are the same.

I tried to spread the gyan I get from IF and BRF around to my abilities. How to be more effective? We need a strategy to get the idea across and conquer.

[ravish]

Swamiji,

At last I have come across a person who has atleast the courage to speak of the ground realities of present day India. Do you feel that large number of contributors in this forum are devoid of all knowledge of what is happening around them, or they simply try to figure out a world of their own , for their own mental satisfaction.

You have very correctly painted the picture of contemporary India , particularly the effect of western thoughts and ideas in the mind of the younger generation of the Indians. It is quite possible that we do not have members in this forum from this particular emerging section of our society.

The task you have mentioned is neither easy to undertake or to propagate amidst the preponderance of alien ideas in the minds of the educated youngsters of the country. Perhaps the RSS can undertake this job in conjunction with a revamped BJP as its political arm.Would appreciate your comments on the issue.

[Guest]

Ravish:
You are embarrassing me.... I am just a messenger. We need all sorts of people.

I frequently think about our own sutras and bhasyas model (SBM). First there are folks who create sutras, upanishads and other high quality texts. These were one set of folks - who created Ideas. Then there is a set of folks write commentaries (bhasyas) on these texts. They expanded the material for more consumption. Sometimes more bhasayas were written on these commentaries. Ultimately the ideas became suitable for mass consumption as stories, street plays or epics.

So the groups like BRF and IF have intellectuals of high caliber; we need them to keep thinking and postulating new ideas and set directions. They are the strategists creating the vision/mission. By doing so they have done their dharma. And by presenting it here and elsewhere they have managed to spread it. It is upto rest of carriers now.

Think of Adi Sankara, he created 4 mathas, and these mathas have been doing their job for centuries now.

I honestly don't know the motivation of the gurus here, but if I see something of value then I spread it :-)

Don't expect modern youth {I am not old either :-)} to come and visit these forums. Teenagers and twenty somethings have other stuff to do. Only few among them will come over here, such is the distraction in the World. That is why I go to Orkut. We have to hang out where they hang out :-) Let us learn that from the Christian Missionaries.

[Guest]

And RSS is tainted goods. We can not rely solely on RSS. We have to use the ball bearings model: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ball_bearing

Instead of one RSS - think of many baby RSS {akin to AT&T Bell companies). They will be independent, but all will work for one purpose - i.e. to bear and move the bigger moving part - Dharma.

[Guest]

There is one thing to say there is a current of 'secularism' and that BJP is being branded as anti-secular and it is swimming against the current and is being swept away. (And the anti-Hindus and liberal Hindus brand this anti-secularism as 'Hindu fundamentalism'.)

This is the view of the secular media and the liberal Hindus who promote Sonia Congress and their mafiaso allies like Karunanidhi called the United Progressive Alliance.

This current consists of treachery, bribery, outright corruption, thuggery, election rigging and anti-nationalism. The secular media not only whitewashes these abhorrant crimes but eulogises them as modern and progressive. They 'scientifically' prove that Sonia's govt. is a people's govt.

The other thing is the recongnition that the entire constitutional machinery has become a tool in the hands of anti-Hindus and that the Hindus has to seriously think of choosing extra-constitutional path to bring back Dharma.

There are people who think that there is no food scarcity, people live and if they die in want they do so without protest and so the boat is safe and sailing and should not be rocked.

In Mahabharatha Duryodhana's rule was not economically miserable. So also in Ramayana Ravana's subjects were 'rich'. Under both these rulers Purushartha means gluttony nothing else.

The two epics tell us there is something worth fighting for. Such fight is divine.

It starts with revamping the moth eaten BJP and redefining the RSS. If that is not possible, there is always the possibility of starting a new one that will sweep away the old.

[ravish]

Shavitriji,

We have to accept certain basic facts of life and trends as prevalent in present day India. The trends that you have mentioned are all valid and the causes for the same are well know , so there is no pint in repeating the same. The influence of the Western media both print and electronic have been enormous . This was very much evident when the new cabinet was being sworn in . A very few of the Ministers took the oath of office in Hindi. This was not only true in case of Ministers who are from non Hindi speaking States but quite a few from the North also. A few of them who may consider to be class apart use their own expensive designer pens to sign the register , rather than using the Sarkari India made Parker . The pictures in the print media of our worthy elected representatives gave a clear indication of the dominance of the English speaking, anglicized elite class.

It cannot be said that all of them got elected solely due to their family connection. Obviously they have been voted by a large number of commoners. Therefore, it can be well assumed that the western ideas and sophisticated looks and dresses of these young ladies and gentlemen have been well accepted by the masses. You may be aware that the designer made Kurta and Paijama were a great hit this time and so was the Bell212 and Eurocopter Helicopters. The day is not far off when we may have a bar in the vicinity of Parliament House for the benefit and convenience of our representatives.

This being the peoples increasing chioise, the task that you plan to undertake is indeed uphill .Contrary to general belief, the lifestyle of many of our leaders in the BJP is no different than their counterpart in the UPA. All are crazy for the nicer things of life as is evident from media report that a Karnataka Minster spend an astronomical sum on his son’s wedding at Bangalore. Certain things go with power and it is same for all politicians irrespective of their party affiliation.

I wish you all the best in your most noble effort.

[Guest]

Ravish,

It all depends on one's mindset.

I do not want to lecture on what is mind but we all know that this entity gets attracted or lost in allien stuffs merely by it inquisitiveness. There is an in-built check called Buddhi which gets duller and duller when not disciplined. This is when a person is lost.

A muslim tames the mind by inciting it against non-islamic people and to abide by the sharia by the pain of severe punishment. These minds are then launched into a force of intolerance and violence.

A Christian tames the mind by letting it be 'forgiven' for all crimes if a person would only convert to a religion of unrestrained wantonness.

We the Hindus are the only religion who believe in the disciplining of the mind from its meddling in others' liberties. This discipline comes from our chanting of Gayathri which prays to the deity Savithri to incite the buddhi so it comes alive and know the real from the unreal.

This is the source of our Dharma. Its object is to enable each person to his/her own unhindered pursuit of Purushaartha called Dharma, Artha, Kama and Moksha.

Don't you think it is worth fighting for this Dharma?

[dhu]

<b>Is electoral verdict 2009 a vote for secularism?</b>
Nandakumar Chandran

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->I read with amusement MJ Akbar's words in a recent article in Times of India : The BJP might want to consider a fundamental fact about our country. India is not a secular nation because Indian Muslims want it to be secular. India is a secular nation because Indian Hindus want it to be secular.

Are we to really think that secularism really matters to the masses?

Considering the condition and status of minorities in most Islamic countries (especially Pakistan and Bangladesh), I don' t think anybody in his right mind will claim secularism is successful in India because of Muslims.

Secularism is possible in India primarily because the majority Hindus subscribe to a faith which is not exclusive. So it is not so much positive secularism but rather a mentality which doesn't find a reason to be non-secular. For most Hindus secularism is simply not an election issue. The Congress also does not use secularism as a main issue in its electoral pitch - it simply blames the BJP for being against secularism which in many Hindu minds is a bothersome activity which diverts attention from real issues - development etc.

The only people interested in secularism are the minorities, the politicians and the idealists.

The first to ensure their survival and relevance, the second for minority votes and the third for ideology.

The average Hindu is highly self-centered and only cares about his own welfare. Even casteism in politics is about individual benefit only - because when a caste gets special preference individual members in the caste benefit. That is pretty much their interest in casteism and within themselves they will fight as viciously as without.

So to claim that the electoral verdict is a vote for secularism is at best a flight of fancy.

So how did the UPA win?

Their performance in both economics and security has been dismal in the years of their rule. The rise in the prices of essentials and the terrorist attacks in Mumbai stand out prominently highlighting the ineptness of UPA rule. The ambiguity in the "benefits" of the nuclear deal with the USA throws into question the UPA's commitment to national interest and also its deliberate aiding and abetting in the escape of Quadrocci and the de-freezing of his funds only strengthens claims about the Congress being corrupt at the highest levels.

So why  would people vote for them?

If we look for a political answer to the question of UPAs win, then two main things could have helped them.

Non-productive largesse and freebies to the rural masses which has run up our public debt to record levels.

Reservation for dominant sections of the populace.

Both the above are tried and trusted policies of the Congress to specifically sustain its votebank without a thought to improving the overall conditions in the country. The Congress continues to politically benefit by populist policies more aimed at sustaining votebanks than towards the actual progress of the country. For the Congress it is political power first and then the country's progress. So where the latter is in conflict with the former it will suffer.

Also possibly contributing to the UPAs success is the BJP's idiotic harping on Hindutva and Ram Mandir. Even Narendra Modi was more known as a Hindutva hawk than the efficient and honest pro-industry/development dynamo that he is. And Varun Gandhi's fiery speeches only served to cement the Hindutva image of the party. The BJP should understand that for the Hindus their daily life and the factors contributing to its welfare is much more important than any ideology. Protection of native culture is not unimportant - but only after the basics are met. So the BJPs inability to project itself as a solid alternative primarily geared towards economic/social growth and development might have also contributed to the UPA's success.

But if we look elsewhere for reasons for the UPA's win my main suspicion is rigged EVMs. Apparently every party which is opposed to the UPA has lost out in the elections (the UPA has won even in Mumbai - this after last years terror attacks!). Forget India, even in as developed and literate a country as the USA, in presidential elections people only vote based on regional issues. It is primarily how they are going to personally benefit from the situation which matters more than any "country level" issue. When this is the case in even advanced countries, are we to believe that the illiterate masses of India voted for "stability at the centre"? The 2009 electoral verdict goes against all previous voting patterns (anti-incumbancy etc) and logic.

As anybody in the information technology industry knows it is not that difficult to manipulate these machines to provide specific results irrespective of how the actual voting has been. As this article in the Newsweek illustrates, even in Europe people do not trust voting machines for precisely this reason : http://www.newsweek.com/id/199102 . And we all know that the Congress will simply do anything to be in power. If the UPA had not done so well in the elections they would have tried every dirty trick in the book to subvert their opposition to retain power (in contrast to the BJP which "humbly" accepted the people's verdict and did not utter a word of protest)! In my opinion the current election and its result is a fraud foisted on the people. I had suspected rigged EVMs even in the last central election. So with a pliant CEC hardly known for his integrity, did they pull it off this time as well? Even more surprising is the BJP's meek acceptance of the so called "people's mandate".

I wonder what the results would be if manual voting is undertaken in 10 areas around the country where the results have been surprising and dubious. I have a feeling that the results will be otherwise than has happened in the just concluded election.

So another term of UPA rule. Expect more populist policies that waste our country's resources, divides its people (reservation to divide castes, "secularism" to divide religious communities etc), looting/stashing of public money in banks abroad, abetting criminals like Ottavio Quadrocci, dangerous surrender of national/strategic interests to the USA for something as dubious as its "friendship", soft pedaling of jihadi elements/institutions, politicising state institutions like the CBI and the army and also an alarmingly pro-Christian (encouraging/aiding evengalism, crosses on coins replacing 'satyameva jayate', allowing American 'truth' finding commissions to conduct investigations in Orissa etc) and anti-Hindu dispensation. Also prepare for King Rahul to ascend the throne in the near future.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

[Guest]

<b>Jaitley to lead BJP in RS, Sushma Advani's deputy in LS</b>

The BJP on Wednesday appointed its senior leader Arun Jaitley as the Leader of the Opposition in the Upper House and Sushma Swaraj

Deputy Leader of the Opposition in the Lok Sabha.

S S Ahluwalia would be deputy leader of the opposition in the Rajya Sabha.

L K Advani, who had reluctantly accepted the post of Leader of the Opposition in the Lok Sabha after the party's dismal performance in Lok Sabha poll, was given the responsibility of choosing the leaders for these posts last Sunday.

Advani had met RSS chief Mohan Bhagwat on Monday and was reportedly authorised to take the decisions.

M Venkaiah Naidu was also in the race for the post of Leader of Opposition in the Upper House.

Swaraj will assist Advani as his deputy in the Lok Sabha and is likely to be replace him in a few months, BJP sources said.

Ramesh Bais, the senior party leader from Chhattisgarh, and Maya Singh, who hails from Madhya Pradesh, will be the Chief Whips of the party in the Lok Sabha and Rajya Sabha respectively.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/India/J...how/4613553.cms

[ravish]

Shavitriji,

What you say is all true but to transform the society to these noble ways of thinking and to get the influence translate into votes during the general election is a very difficult task. In the years to come, it will become more increasingly difficult. You may have noticed the spread of English medium school all over India. In course of time, children from these schools will constitute the young voters of our nation. They by no stretch of imagination can be expected to be remaining totally unaffected from the influence of European political and social thoughts.

In the metro cities of India, you look at the dress code. The sari is fast giving way to jeans, trousers etc. The number of children from ordinary middle class family frequenting the pubs and disco is ever increasing. As the society becomes more affluent this process will get speeded up, if the present trend is allowed to continue.

Till a decade back, even upped middle class ladies very rarely and reluctantly used to drink and smoke in public but that is no longer the case. The tolerance level of the society has also increased and now there is increasing new definitions being added to what is considered to be moral and what is immoral. The recent problem and the noise in the media on the beating of youngsters in pubs at Mangalore generated considerable media debate for quite sometime. If you have followed the subsequent press reports, you must have noticed the huge umber of defenders for the pub goers. This indicates which way the wind is blowing particularly down south.

So best of luck to you.

[Guest]

Going by Ravishji, who seems to have a good finger on the pulse of the nation esp. the youth, the country seems to have voted overwhelmingly in favor of 3Bs - Bars, Bras and Brothels.

If that is being passing off as liberal, progressive and modernized, God help us save India from itself!