Pakistan News And Discussion-12

[Guest]

Nareshji,

<b>Enjoy Mushy dance </b> <!--emo&:bcow--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/b_cowboy.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='b_cowboy.gif' /><!--endemo-->

[Guest]

Nareshji, from Paki fora. Hell they are in hole. <!--emo&--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->I visited one of Pak army cant recently, and shocked to see tight security they have institutionalize. No camera or any type of photography, armed MP were roaming around the cant and everyone is checked at the door. The security around any military installation is very tight. I mean extremely tight. I witnessed live firing and was accompanying a 3-star general but it was the general who clearly stated to me not to bring any audio/video or still camera. there is 24/7 armed patrol by MP .MP had explosive sniffing dogs on the gates of the bases/cant and roaming around inside. According to an officer., explosive sniffing dogs is the only way one can pick-up a person who has explosive wrapped around him. The dogs are very effective at about 30 feet in picking up explosive. No Military cars and trucks are allowed outside and no uniform is allowed outside.

Now, there are exception. If a friend brings another friend to see a friend at the cant then things are a little laxed. They might have avoided the explosive sniffing dogs. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

[Guest]

<b>Sehba to be covering candidate</b><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->SLAMABAD - President General Pervez Musharraf has finally decided that none other than the first lady of Pakistan Begum Sehba Musharraf would be his covering candidate for the much controversial presidential polls to be held between September 15 and November 15.
The PML President Chaudhry Shujaat Hussain spelled out the statement of Begum Sehba Musharraf’s covering candidacy during a private TV channel programme.
When Press Secretary to Chaudhry Shujaat, Qaiser Abbas was contacted he confirmed that the PML President said this during a TV programme.
During the programme, Chaudhry Shujaat also said that the matters relating to the presidential election would be clear within a week, after announcement of the election schedule.
This way, Chaudhry Shujaat has also scorched the rumours of his and Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz acting as covering candidates for the presidential slot. It was earlier reported that either Shujaat or Aziz would be Musharraf’s covering candidate, in case, the Supreme Court of Pakistan disqualified him for participation in the elections due to his dual offices as President and Chief of Army Staff. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

[Guest]

http://www.thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=10095

<b>Troops death toll put at 124; ISPR denies; over 50 militants killed </b>

http://www.nation.com.pk/daily/sep-2007/14/latest.php
<b>Six killed in attack on minibus in Karachi </b>

Nareshji,
Looks like, Pakistan had found new way to control population. <!--emo&--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo--> They should do more, current rate is still very low.

[Naresh]

[center]<b><span style='font-size:21pt;line-height:100%'>Pakistan's newest threat: Army officer turns suicide bomber - B Raman</span></b> <!--emo&:flush--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/Flush.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='Flush.gif' /><!--endemo--> [/center]

<b><span style='color:red'>According to reliable sources in the local police, a Pashtun army officer belonging to the elite Special Services Group, whose younger sister was reportedly among the 300 girls killed during the Pakistan Army's commando raid on the Lal Masjid in Islamabad between July 10 and 13, blew himself up during dinner at the SSG's headquarters mess at Tarbela Ghazi, 100 km south of Islamabad, on the night of September 13, killing 19 other officers.

The incident coincided with United States Deputy Secretary of State John Negroponte's visit to Kabul and Islamabad for talks with leaders and officials of the two governments.</span></b> <!--emo&:cool--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/specool.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='specool.gif' /><!--endemo-->

According to the same sources, the Pashtun army officer belonged to South Waziristan, but Tarbela Ghazi is not located in the tribal belt. The SSG, to which General Pervez Musharraf [Images] belonged, was specially trained by the US Special Forces for covert operations and for counter-terrorism and counter-insurgency duties.

The usually well-informed News of Pakistan reported as follows on September 14: 'The area where the incident occurred is the headquarters of the Special Services Group also known as SSG and Special Operation Task Force of the Pakistan Army. Sources said the blast was so powerful that it destroyed the Officers Mess. There are also reports that a company known as Karar of the SSG based in the area had taken part in the operation on Lal Masjid and Jamia Hafsa in Islamabad where hundreds of religious students, including religious school administrator, Maulana Abdur Rashid Ghazi, were killed. ...There were rumours that CIA personnel were also present in the area where the blast occurred.'

According to the police sources, a training team of the Central Intelligence Agency and a team of technical intelligence personnel of the US National Security Agency were also stationed at Tarbela Ghazi. The NSA personnel were reportedly running a monitoring station to intercept communications of Al Qaeda [Images] and the neo-Taliban.

While there are no reports of any American casualties, there have been rumours that the NSA's monitoring station was badly damaged. It is not clear whether it was damaged by the impact of the explosion inside the officers' mess or by a separate explosion.

Pakistani army sources initially projected the incident as due to the explosion of a cooking gas cylinder. Subsequently, they said it was caused by a remote-controlled improvised explosive device and then that it was caused by an unidentified suicide bomber, who drove a vehicle filled with explosives into the mess at dinner time.

They have not so far admitted that it was actually caused by a Pashtun officer of the SSG itself and not an outsider. No other details are available so far.

The daring attack came two days after another attack of suicide terrorism in which at least 17 people, including three security forces personnel, were killed and 16 others injured when a 15-year-old Mehsud suicide bomber blew himself up in a passenger van at Bannu Adda in Dera Ismail Khan district of the North-West Frontier Province on September 11.

<b><span style='color:red'>The Pakistan army has not been able to re-establish its writ over South and North Waziristan, where the Mehsuds and the Uzbeks supporting them have been holding in custody 240 members of the security forces captured by them and have been repeatedly attacking posts of the army and the Frontier Corps. Repeated use of helicopter gunships by the army has not had any impact on the various sub-tribes of Pashtuns, who have been attacking the security forces almost daily.</span></b> <!--emo&:clapping--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/clap.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='clap.gif' /><!--endemo-->

Cheers <!--emo&:beer--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/cheers.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='cheers.gif' /><!--endemo-->

[Shambhu]

Recent events in Pakistan remind me of the lines of the very talented and clairvoyant Sufo-Sunn-i-Shia poet laureate Mohammed bin Ismail ibn Abid Hussain Chisti Darvish, who had written the following long before the Pakistan was Manifested as the shining beacon in the comity of nations that we all know it is.

Wa'fool baraktul fizzlullah
(Some nuances may have been lost in translation):

Who can say which way points to Allah?
No one knows.
To each his own way.
Some fire at masjids.
Some kill freedom fighters.
Some abduct soldiers.
Some blow up soldiers.
For who knows how sweet the honey is just by looking at the hive?
Ha! I marvel at man's attempts to express his purity.

Today is Chisti Mian's 72nd death anniversary. May his soul rest in peace. May his tomb never be blown up. Ameen.

[Guest]

<b>In a separate incident in the same area, officials reported that Taliban fighters used a rocket attack to destroy a school where about 90 Pakistani paramilitary troops had been stationed. It was not known how many were in the school at the time, but a local official said that "there seems no hope of survival of any troops in the building" because it had completely collapsed. </b>

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...7091302243.html

<b>Six soldiers missing after Pakistan clashes</b><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->MIRANSHAH, Pakistan, Sept 14(AFP): Six Pakistani soldiers are missing after intense battles with militants in the tribal belt bordering Afghanistan, the army said on Friday. The military also said that more than 80 militants were killed in three days of clashes with security forces in North and South Waziristan, updating the toll from an earlier figure of 70. “We have lost contact with one of our paramilitary posts and six soldiers are either missing or dead in North Waziristan,” chief military spokesman Major General Waheed Arshad told AFP. (Posted @ 11:36 PST)
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Popcorn time with hot coco. <!--emo&:beer--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/cheers.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='cheers.gif' /><!--endemo-->

[Naresh]

[center]<b><span style='font-size:14pt;line-height:100%'>US advises import of electricity</span></b>[/center]

<b>ISLAMABAD, Sept 14 : The United States has once again declined to treat Pakistan at par with India on the issue of nuclear energy for civilian purposes. <!--emo&tupid--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/pakee.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='pakee.gif' /><!--endemo--> Sources told Dawn on Friday that during his talks in Islamabad, US Deputy Secretary of State John D. Negroponte had advised Pakistani officials to meet their energy needs by importing electricity from Central Asian states.

He said his country was ready to offer funds to help Pakistan import power from Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan for which the Asian Development Bank also plans to offer $150 million.</b>

The sources said that the subject of nuclear energy figured prominently during Mr Negroponte’s meetings, the second round of ‘strategic dialogue’.

<b>A source said the US side had made it clear that <span style='font-size:14pt;line-height:100%'>Pakistan and India could not be treated equally on the nuclear issue and Islamabad should not insist on it.</span></b> <!--emo&:flush--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/Flush.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='Flush.gif' /><!--endemo-->

The US side said it could help Pakistan meet its rising energy needs through other means. It also asked Pakistan to explore sources other than nuclear energy.

The US officials were told that power production was not keeping pace with the development of other sectors.

Cheers <!--emo&:beer--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/cheers.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='cheers.gif' /><!--endemo-->

[Naresh]

[center]<b><span style='font-size:21pt;line-height:100%'>Banana republic</span></b> <!--emo&:flush--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/Flush.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='Flush.gif' /><!--endemo-->[/center]

WE have a prime minister of Pakistan who says he will “not allow anyone to tarnish the image of Saudi Arabia”, a federal government that deports its own citizen (not to mention an ex-PM) despite a Supreme Court ruling, and a provincial government that domestically deports another citizen already on its soil from its largest city. <b>President Musharraf should immediately pass a decree <span style='font-size:14pt;line-height:100%'>renaming the country the Islamic Republic of Bananas,</span> <!--emo&:bhappy--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/b_woot.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='b_woot.gif' /><!--endemo--> and should <span style='font-size:14pt;line-height:100%'>appoint himself banana -in-chief</span> <!--emo&:bcow--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/b_cowboy.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='b_cowboy.gif' /><!--endemo--> for the next five years.</b> It would be perfectly in keeping with the traditions this government is setting.

<b>OSMAN KHALID
Lahore</b>

Cheers <!--emo&:beer--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/cheers.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='cheers.gif' /><!--endemo-->

[Guest]

Nareshji,
Kahar, Kahar !! Toba, Toba !!!!
Islamic State of Pakistan will have Female President (Shehba Mushy), Female Prime Minister (Bhutto), What happened to Mard of Pakistan, once I thought, there is one left, but after his deportation to Saudi Arabia, I even doubt there is one.

Now what you think, land of impotent will be ruled by Females. <!--emo&--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
TOba , Toba !!!!!!!

[Naresh]

<b>Mudy Ji :</b>

The USA wants a “General” in power with a pliable Prime Minister so that the USA can order the General who will obey without having to consult the Pakistani Parliament.

The pliable Prime Minister - be it BB or Salwar Kameez - will have to obey the President’s orders or face an “overthrow”.

With Shehba as President, Mush the Tush will hold the top Army position and Sheba will be “Under” him!

Thus again The USA will have its tasks carried out by Mush the Tush.

All in all Mush will be the USA’s man and he will relay to Day” orders2 from the USA and have the President and / or Prime Minister carry them out.

Cheers <!--emo&:beer--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/cheers.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='cheers.gif' /><!--endemo-->

[Guest]

<b>About 50,000 people attend funeral for slain pro-Taliban Pakistani cleric, police say</b><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Maulana Hassan Jan was killed Saturday evening when assailants opened fire on a car taking him to evening prayers in a mosque in Peshawar, the capital of North West Frontier Province.
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Some angry mourners chanted "<b>Death to Musharraf</b>" — a reference to Pakistan's President Gen. Pervez Musharraf — and <b>"death to America</b>." Some threw stones at enclosures in the stadium where senior government officials were present, shattering windows. No injuries were reported<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

[Guest]

Mushy to give up army post
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->President Gen. Pervez Musharraf will step down as army chief and restore civilian rule to Pakistan, <b>but only after he is re-elected president</b>, a government lawyer said Tuesday.
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He's pretty sure of being re-elected. Democrazy I say <!--emo&:beer--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/cheers.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='cheers.gif' /><!--endemo-->

[Guest]

His lawyer is saying, Mushy can change is mind anytime after firing his own lawyer. <!--emo&--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Till Unkle is behind Mushy, he is safe and can do anything, and I think unkle failed to find subsitute and now again backing him.

[Shambhu]

"The Atlantic" has an aricle about what will happen tp Pak if there is no Mush. They say: not much will happen, US has without too much reasoning put so much premium on Mush.

Article also talked about how military is so deeply ingrained into Pak and that Pak Military Acad (Kakul) teaches its cadets to look down upon civilians. Military is proud that it has "rescued" pak from inept and weak civilian govt many many times. <!--emo&--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->

[Guest]

<b>YES, PAKISTAN’S NEW NATIONAL ART GALLERY HAS NUDES - MSNBC World Blog</b>

Thanks, to Paki Army and Mushy. <!--emo&--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->

[Naresh]

[center]<b><span style='font-size:21pt;line-height:100%'>Second Editorial : Don’t let Siachen ‘tourism’ distract you!</span></b>[/center]

The Foreign Office in Islamabad was in high dudgeon Monday upon hearing that India was soon to open the Siachen Glacier it had occupied in 1984 for “tourism”. It called in the Indian deputy high commissioner and ticked him off on “an Indian plan to open the Siachen Glacier to tourists”. What triggered the Islamabad anger was a newspaper report that up to 20 trekkers were about to be taken to the glacier next week and would stick around there for over 20 days.

Siachen is where troops have been dying of frostbite and hypothermia and other related psychological diseases. Battle casualties over the years have been negligible, forcing the world to rebuke the two countries fighting over a piece of territory of no practical use unless the two wish to continue eying each other as potential victims of war that can go nuclear. <b><span style='color:red'>Siachen has been a kind of rebuke to the Pakistan army which launched its infamous Kargil Operation in part to offset the “advantage” gained by India in 1984. Ironically, Pakistan’s claim to Siachen was based on the mountaineering expedition which went to the glacier from Pakistan.</span></b> The claim made no difference to the status of the high-altitude territory which remains a no-man’s land. While it is correct to protest India’s latest “report” about “tourism”, there is no need to get heated up about the issue or to allow it to break the momentum of the Indo-Pak peace talks.

Cheers <!--emo&:beer--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/cheers.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='cheers.gif' /><!--endemo-->

[Naresh]

[center]<b><span style='font-size:14pt;line-height:100%'>Lahore-Khanewal railway track may not open this year]</span></b> <!--emo&:flush--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/Flush.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='Flush.gif' /><!--endemo-->[/center]

<b><i>* Red-tape blamed for delay in installation of signals</i></b>

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>ISLAMABAD : The rail track on Lahore-Khanewal section is set to be dualised by the year-end but trains will not run on it because the Pakistan Railways has yet to install signals on the track. The officials have blamed red-tapism for the delay. <!--emo&tupid--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/pakee.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='pakee.gif' /><!--endemo-->

According to the sources, the Ministry of Railways had decided to replace the obsolete infrastructure with state-of-the art-infrastructure to overcome the increasing number of rail accidents.</b><!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Cheers <!--emo&:beer--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/cheers.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='cheers.gif' /><!--endemo-->

[Guest]

<!--QuoteBegin-Mudy+Sep 18 2007, 10:52 PM-->QUOTE(Mudy @ Sep 18 2007, 10:52 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>YES, PAKISTAN’S NEW NATIONAL ART GALLERY HAS NUDES - MSNBC World Blog</b>
Thanks, to Paki Army and Mushy. <!--emo&--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
[right][snapback]73313[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Mudy, I went to that page and found this hysterical comment:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->This is a wonderful story.  Coming from such a conflict stricken area, such beauty takes place. I sincerely hope his dream of a national museum comes to fruition.  <b>The culture is so old and varied, the Pakistani people</b> should have a place to collectively express their feelings about <b>their history.  Our country is so young in comparison.</b>
<b>Robin Housden, Rolla, MO</b> (Sent Tuesday, September 18, 2007 10:28 AM)<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Pakistan is older than America? <!--emo&:lol:--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='laugh.gif' /><!--endemo--> Is this a sign of American education standards... Might explain Californian textbooks.
Or maybe the person commenting actually took this bit in the article to be fact:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->"I am bidding on the national museum project," he said. "We don't have a museum in Islamabad that chronicles <b>our</b> 5,000 years of sub-continent civilization."<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->And what continuous 5,000 years of civilisation in TSP was that? The old civilisation was uprooted completely and a new civili... 'culture' utterly replaced it some centuries ago. All the points of similarity they have today with the civilisation that had evolved from some 5,000 years ago is:
- a subset of the land that was involved in it, and
- some distant genetic relationship which they have themselves gone so far out of the way to confuse with claims to Arabia, that they will never be able to put it back together.
And as far as these two factors are concerned, neither genes nor a piece of earth go to make up a civilisation - the ethos must be there for it to be considered a continuous one.

There were no salamis in TSP 5,000 years ago. And it was the Pakistanis themselves who have ever been proudly (pro)claiming: "our invincible islamic ancestors came from Arabia and conquered the Indian subcontinent and brought down you Hindooos".
And now, overnight they've changed their tune to this new "our 5,000 years of sub-continent civilisation". They must be desperate, wafting whichever way the wind blows. Guess they found it ain't cool to be attached to islam anymore, since 'islamic civilisation' is an oxymoron. Explains why they've started looking to what was there before. Maybe they've realised they can't build TSP on thin air, but need some history. I'm sure it's very kaffiri of them to try and find a pre-islamic <i>anything</i>, but since the Iranians - the trendsetters for Pak - have been doing it, TSP might have felt a bit left out. Poor TSP so uncool in comparison to Persia.

The civilisation in the Indian subcontinent of 5,000 years ago has nothing to do with the terrorising fruitcakes of TSP today: not only were they not alive back then, but, more importantly, those alive now do not even identify with the people, beliefs or culture that existed since those 5,000 years ago and that was killed there with islam's arrival (that is, there's no unbroken continuation from that time's civilisation to the present land and islami people identified as TSP). Besides, it's too late - they can't let go so easily of their carefully-developed hysterical claims to Arabian/Iranian/Afghan/Turkic origins: their own fault they put so much effort into those tales. They've ended up doing their job <i>too</i> well.
Also, what they're referring to was a subcontinent-<b>wide</b> civilisation - today's Pakistani culture (islam) has nothing to do that, besides even Pakistan (the country, land) certainly has no unique claims to it.
Until they can own up to these things and make the necessary changes, there can be no ownership in the way they're implying with their statement "We don't have a museum in Islamabad that chronicles <b>our 5,000 years of sub-continent civilization.</b>"

Must admit though, TSP is a very funny country, though it's odd that a few Americans should take them so seriously and thus miss all the stand-up comedy.

[Guest]

Husky,
Pakistan atleast deny its civilization completely, only very rarely when they want to make quick money by tourism they show off links with 5000 year old civilization. But Indian current leaders are any day worst then Pakis, they outright deny Indic civilization, even civilization is staring them everyday but promotes colonial or Islamic barbaric invasion with proud.