BJP Future - 5

11-06-2007, 12:36 AM

Whatever happening in Pakistan will force (or if they are intelligent enough) Congress and Moron Singh to invite BJP in Karnataka, otherwise there is no difference between Mushy and COngress fascism and subversion of judiciary.

**acharya** · 11-06-2007, 11:38 AM

A deep shade of saffron
Pankaj Vohra, Hindustan Times
November 04, 2007

The future of top BJP leaders could depend on the outcome of the high-level RSS meeting currently being held in Dharvar in Karnataka, and which is expected to end on November 7, a day before Leader of the Opposition, LK Advani, celebrates his 80th birthday. What will be worth watching is whether Advani will get the Sanghâs endorsement as the political partyâs prime ministerial candidate in the next parliamentary poll. Or, will this again be postponed due to the Sangh leadershipâs indecisiveness, which has already become a cause of worry for the parivar and could have a bearing on the RSSâs future?

The conclave is being attended by prant pracharaks and shetriya pracharaks, many of whom had objected to Advaniâs statement on Mohammad Ali Jinnah during his visit to Pakistan in 2005. It is being speculated whether the RSS will accept the leadership of a person who is yet to render any unconditional regret for, or even withdraw, the statements that had led to his ouster as the BJP president in December 2005.

The question is, if the RSS endorses his leadership, what impact will it have on the future of the Sangh, which has showcased itself as the flag-bearer of the Hindutva ideology and proclaims itself to be a cultural outfit? Cadres appear to be worried that any attempt to compromise on ideology could very well spell the Sanghâs end. As things stand today, the Sangh has been helplessly watching as acute factionalism in the BJP dilutes the very essence of the doctrine on which the party had been founded initially. Therefore, at this stage, if âJinnahwadâ, as Advaniâs position on the subject is being termed, triumphs, the script for the final chapter of the Sangh could have very well been written. To describe Jinnah, who precipitated the division of the country, as a secularist is the anti-thesis of everything that the Sangh parivar has believed.

The RSSâs dilemma is acute since the Sanghâs image has been on the decline for the last decade or so, and its failure to attract youngsters into its fold has become a cause of concern. Though on paper, say in a place like Delhi, there are 1,500 shakhas held every morning, in reality, it may not even be one-third this number. The successive defeat of ABVP candidates at the hands of the NSUI in DUSU polls is attributed to the decline of the RSSâs influence in the city. This is primarily because the BJP compromised on the basic tenets of Hindutva to remain in power, giving up on issues like the uniform civil code, abrogation of Article 370 in Kashmir and the resolve to construct the Ram temple in Ayodhya.

RSS cadres are also pinning their hopes on Sarkaryavah Mohan Bhagwat, a man committed to ideology, to bail them out of the mess created because of conflicts within the parivar. It is being speculated that the ailing Sarsanghchalak, K Sudarshan, may finally pave the way for Bhagwat to succeed him as the RSS supremo and thus end these conflicts. In fact, the change could even come during the present conclave.

Even Bhagwatâs opponents within the parivar, who are in a minority, concede that it is inevitable that he will take over. So, their focus is instead on the person who will succeed him in the number two position as sarkaryavah. The three possible contenders are all joint general secretaries. Madan Das Devi is close to the Advani camp, Suresh Soni coordinates the RSS-BJP affairs and Suresh Joshi looks after other organisational aspects. If Bhagwatâs current position goes to anyone but Devi, it may have an adverse impact on Advaniâs future as the BJPâs top-most leader, given that Atal Bihari Vajpayee is suffering from poor health.

With Bhagwat as the RSS head, the outfitâs focus may also shift from its current emphasis on the power game being played by the BJP to the overall commitment of the parivar towards ideology. This shift will be considered by Sangh hardliners as the revival of Golwalkarâs thesis.

Golwalkar had advocated that in order to transform society, the Sangh should work towards changing individuals through ideology. But his successors, Bala Saheb Deoras and Rajinder Singh, said that power should become the instrument for change in society and for individuals to move towards Hindutva. Yet, six-and-half years of power experienced of the BJP proved beyond doubt that this thesis was faulty. In the process, the BJP had even moved away from the basics of Hindutva, leading to the parivarâs overall decline. This could be arrested once Bhagwat takes over.

The Sangh has, over the past year or so, been distancing itself from the BJP after being repeatedly castigated by senior leaders like Advani for interfering in the partyâs day-to-day affairs. Matters have come to a stage where the RSS has not endorsed Narendra Modiâs leadership in Gujarat, asking its cadres to support whoever they wish to in the upcoming polls.

This could have a bearing on the outcome of the polls, where Modi and his supporters may find it difficult to overcome a spirited challenge from the Congress and its allies.

The RSSâs strategy seems to be to give the Sangh and its constituents a younger and ideologically-sound leadership. In this context, the words of the late DB Thengdi, who was overlooked for the RSS chiefâs position to help pro-Vajpayee elements gain control, is being cited. Thengdi, commenting on Mahatma Gandhiâs remarks that if he had strength, he would not have allowed the Partition to take place, had stated that in future, the nationâs leadership should always be young and strong and not old and infirm.

The next few days could be decisive for the future of the Sangh parivar. Between us.

11-06-2007, 12:12 PM

Pankaj Vohra is pakka congressi and hate RSS. So anything from his pen or mouth is just fiction from his behind.

11-06-2007, 05:07 PM

Mudiji,
May your wishful thinking turn into reality. If u are resident in India , please do interact a little with the grassroot workers of the BJP or the RSS and try to assess the situation.Have you not taken note of the fictional fights that is engulfing almost every State unit of the BJP. In the last 24 hours, the filing of the FIR in Rajesthan against Shri Jaswant Singh for alleged serving of Bhang is a pointed reminder of the inner currents within the party.Wake up and look around.

11-06-2007, 10:08 PM

Ravishji,
Media only highlight BJP issue in big way, but keep lid on Congress, Do you know everywhere congress is going through infight, even upto top. HP Congress is ready for split same is UttaraKhand or Raj or Punjab or Kerala or UP. Only noise from BJP is media favorite and they creates dooms day drama.
Where is Arjun Singh and Natwar Singh?
Some people just love die-nasty.

11-07-2007, 02:03 AM

QUOTEFlip-flop tieup can't give stability, Thakur to Centre 
Pioneer.com
Kumar Uttam | New Delhi
Karnataka Governor Rameshwar Thakur on Tuesday submitted his "final report" to Home Minister Shivraj Patil on the political situation in the State that has been under President's rule since October 9.

While both the Governor and the Home Minister were tightlipped about the contents of the report, Thakur is understood to have told the Centre that the State Assembly cannot be dissolved, given the majority BJP-JD(S) alliance in the House.

Thakur has also cited the flip-flops and shifting stands by alliance partners to doubt the stability of the Government in case the coalition was invited to take over. Contents of the reports could not be verified independently.

However, with the Centre keeping silent throughout the day, the BJP and JD(S) went ahead with plans to parade their MLAs before President Pratibha Patil and seek her intervention in the matter.

The legislators, who told Patil that they were knocking her doors after failing to get justice from the Prime Minister and the Governor, sought from her a direction to Thakur to invite the coalition to form the next Government. The letters of support by individual MLAs given to the Governor were also furnished to the President.

The BJP MPs from Karnataka had earlier met Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and requested him to convene a meeting of the Union Cabinet and recommend revoking of the President's rule, something that could have paved the way for the Government formation.
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Current situation in Pakistan may force Congress to let BJP form govt.

ramana · 11-07-2007, 05:22 AM

Is Ms Raje CM of Rajasthan closer to LK Advani? This harrassment of Jaswant Singh doesnt look reasonable.

**shamu** · 11-07-2007, 05:28 AM

QUOTE(Mudy @ Nov 7 2007, 02:03 AM)<div class='quotetop'>QUOTEFlip-flop tieup can't give stability, Thakur to Centre 

Current situation in Pakistan may force Congress to let BJP form govt.
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Why do you think Pakistan situation will force PM to let BJP form the govt? I believe nuke situation will force MMS to do so.

11-07-2007, 05:52 AM

QUOTEWhy do you think Pakistan situation will force PM to let BJP form the govt? I believe nuke situation will force MMS to do so.
Mushy drama is to undermine constitution and Judiciary.
According to Indian constitution and democratic norm, Governor should and must call BJP. What as we know Congress fascism history, they ignored constitution, In Bihar and Jharkhand judiciary gave them slap. After those incidences they started making call to restrict Judiciary. Karnataka issue will bring back same issue in front. Whole world is watching Indian Sub continent, BJP can compare and should compare Moron Singh with Mushy incase they place President Rule and expose undemocratic facist ideology and muscle policy of Congress Party.

11-07-2007, 05:58 AM

QUOTEIs Ms Raje CM of Rajasthan closer to LK Advani? This harrassment of Jaswant Singh doesnt look reasonable. 
I think it is related to opium farmers, today's Rahul support to opium farmer sounds fishy. I will wait for couple of days, as media always come up with false stories when it is related to BJP and after week in small corner they make correction, by then damage is done.
Election is next year.
Raje is close to Vajpayee, it means close to Jaswant Singh, plus royal connection.
QUOTERahul bats for opium farmers 
Nidhi Sharma | New Delhi
The scion of Nehru-Gandhi family has found a new cause to support - the deteriorating condition of opium growers of Rajasthan.

The opium growers have been camping at the Congress headquarters since Monday. The bright bandhani print turbans dotted the landscape at 24 Akbar Road on Tuesday as more opium farmers filtered in the Capital. Protesting against the "discriminatory" policy of the Centre, the farmers found a sympathetic listener in heir-apparent Rahul Gandhi

11-07-2007, 09:46 AM

Uma gets setback: Raghunandan returns to BJP againQUOTEBhopal, Nov 6: Senior leader Raghunandan Sharma today resigned from the primary membership of Bharatiya Jan Shakti Party and joined Bharatiya Janata Party. He said that the same circumstances today prevail in BJS which were found in the BJP two years back. The leader termed Uma Bharti as people's leader.

Being state president of Bharatiya Jan Shakti Party, Raghunandan Sharma, after tendering resignation accepted membership of BJP this morning.

Talking to mediapersons, Sharma said that leaving BJP was his personal decision and his joining the party again has been taken after weighing all the facts.

He said that when in any party one should work on priority basis. In case of difference of opinion, one should come out of the party and express his views.

Sharma said that when election was not contested on the Hindutva issue in Uttar Pradesh then candidates should not be taken back. By laying allegations against Narendra Modi, Hindutva should not be harmed in Gujarat, Sharma opined. Modi is working in Gujarat as per our desires. The attack against Modi 15 days back was in a planned manner. We will strengthen Modi and have returned for the same. Sharma said that Uma Bharti is people's leader and she would remain always.

The decision of Raghunandan Sharma to quit Bharatiya Janshakti has jolted the Uma Bharti.
Two more leaders of BJS, Satish Khurana and Anil Chawla also joined BJP.
Uma Bharti said that I have earlier told my party members that if they wish they can freely leave the party by November 30th.

11-07-2007, 10:34 AM

Highlighting by the media apart, it is a fact of political life in India to have fights within the organisation. There is no point in thinking that BJP's in fight is only highlighted by the Press. The fact is Congress has been reduced to a minor player in West Bengal, Bihar and Utter Pradesh and there is no State leader of any standing from any of these States. In the case of BJP, the expectation of the people who support its ideology was much higher. They had high hopes that a Cadre based party like the BJP will uphold the interest of the Hindu community and will give a clean government free of corruption.
However, the present state of affairs within the BJP has totally disappointed the ordinary supporters of the BJP>

**acharya** · 11-07-2007, 10:48 AM

QUOTE(Mudy @ Nov 6 2007, 12:28 PM)<div class='quotetop'>QUOTEIs Ms Raje CM of Rajasthan closer to LK Advani? This harrassment of Jaswant Singh doesnt look reasonable. 
I think it is related to opium farmers, today's Rahul support to opium farmer sounds fishy. I will wait for couple of days, as media always come up with false stories when it is related to BJP and after week in small corner they make correction, by then damage is done.
Election is next year.
Raje is close to Vajpayee, it means close to Jaswant Singh, plus royal connection.
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This harassment is related to the Nuke deal. They are putting pressure on BJP to make amends with UPA and not disrupt the Parliament session and let Nuke discussion go through and passed by the UPA govt.

The foreign govt lobby which is putting the pressure knows the BJP party and position of each senior leaders on the nuke deal. They are blackmailing JS to make compromising since he is the one who sets the policy on nuke deal.

B Mishra has already set the outlines for accepting the deal. Advani is being careful in his statement. They may target other BJP leaders to make them succumb to blackmail.

ramana · 11-07-2007, 11:16 AM

Mudy shake some trees and get to the bottom of the farmers plight. Looks like there is an intl connection. RG and his Colombian connection comes to mind.

11-07-2007, 12:11 PM

QUOTE(ramana @ Nov 7 2007, 11:16 AM)Mudy shake some trees and get to the bottom of the farmers plight. Looks like there is an intl connection. RG and his Colombian connection comes to mind.
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11-07-2007, 04:27 PM

The State of Rajesthan is ruled by the BJP and the CM is a powerful leader of the party. Therefore, is is unthinkable that Congress or any other lobby have been able to undertake this task of booking a leader like Jaswant Singh. This is a clear result of BJP infighting. No point in day dreaming and wishful thinking.As far as the Nuclear Deal is concerned, it is reported in themedia that the Government is very much in touch with the BJP leadership.If there is a change in attitude of the BJP on the issue, it need not be unexpected.

ramana · (This post was last modified: 11-07-2007, 10:45 PM by ramana.)

QUOTE(Mudy @ Nov 7 2007, 12:28 AM)<div class='quotetop'>QUOTERahul bats for opium farmers 
Nidhi Sharma | New Delhi
The scion of Nehru-Gandhi family has found a new cause to support - the deteriorating condition of opium growers of Rajasthan.

The opium growers have been camping at the Congress headquarters since Monday. The bright bandhani print turbans dotted the landscape at 24 Akbar Road on Tuesday as more opium farmers filtered in the Capital. Protesting against the "discriminatory" policy of the Centre, the farmers found a sympathetic listener in heir-apparent Rahul Gandhi 

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What discriminatory policy of the Center? Is this something new? What is going on?
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Never mind. Due to crop failure eh farmers in Rajasthan risk loosing their Central license to grow the stuff due to lower yield. In other words Centre issues permits to grow only to those farmers who grow a certain amount per hectare. I guess keeps the sundry small potatoes farmers out.
And this amount varies with each state to suit local conditions.

I was seeing too much in the story.

Now to get back to the 'get' Jaswant Singh case. JS knows about IF and BRF so there is a personal angle to this issue. He has read Kaushal's presentation too.

11-08-2007, 02:29 AM

Rannath interview in Pioneer
QUOTEQ. The Chief Ministers of other BJP-ruled States are also facing rebellion?
A. Except Rajasthan I do not think there is any such problem in any other State. Rajasthan problem would be sorted out very soon.

Q. There is some problem between Jaswant Singh and Rajasthan CM Vasundhara Raje?
A. I can only say that it is not personal.

Q. Despite many attempts, the NDA is not expanding?
A. The channels of communication with some other parties are open and we think that in the days to come some of them will join us.

Q. The NDA is non-existent in South? 
A. Kerala and Andhra Pradesh is really a problem. In other places, we are trying to get some new partners.

Q. Is your decision to reunite with the JD(S) just for the sake of power right?
A. We didn't approach them. In fact, it was Deve Gowda who offered unconditional support. We were ready for election and did not hurry to form the Government.

Q. But Deve Gowda levelled serious charges against your party. Will he be a trusted ally?
A. It is up to him to respond to the allegations he levelled on us. We are about to form a Government with their support and the rest is in the womb of future.

11-08-2007, 10:13 PM

President's rule in Karnataka revokedQUOTEEnding the suspense, Centre on Thursday revoked President's rule in Karnataka paving the way for the formation of the first BJP government in south India.

The decision was taken by the Union Cabinet two days after the Karnataka Governor Rameshwar Thakur submitted his "final" report on the BJP-JDS demand for invitation to form the government.

The BJP would be sharing power with the HD Deve Gowda-led JD(S), whose coalition had collapsed last month on the issue of transfer of power which led to imposition of President's rule in the state on October 9.
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11-08-2007, 10:26 PM

QUOTElink
Announcing the decision after the cabinet meeting, Finance Minister P Chidambaram said Governor Rameshwar Thakur would be advised to invite BJP`s B S Yeddyurappa to form the government.

Yeddyurappa will meet Governor Rameshwar Thakur tomorrow when he will be formally invited to form the next government that has 19 more months before elections.

Yeddyurappa, who reached here after a pilgrimage to Vaishno Devi, met BJP chief Rajnath Singh. He later thanked the Governor for taking "the right decision at the right time" and congratulated the President and Prime Minister Manmohan Singh
Mushy factor in action or trying to keep BJP in good humor for N-deal Big Grin

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