Ravishji: I have no (pardon the pun) bone in this veg versus non-veg issues. What you state <i>now</i> would be okay if your initial posts were merely pointing to data without that holier-than-thou "ivory tower" remark.
Attributing someones eating preference to rise/decline in cultural values (real or perceived) is as bogus as someone claiming to be secular because he eats beef. Hope you see where I am coming from.
10-27-2006, 08:14 PM
(This post was last modified: 10-27-2006, 08:21 PM by ramana.)
Ravish,
I would like you to expand on what the trend portrays. I noticed in my 1987 trip that Railway stations on the Madras Hyderabad line, food was serving non-veg. I asked around and found that it was due to prosperity and the easy availablity due to the mega hatcheries being setup in Andhra Pradesh. I also asked whether it was the changing class compostion of the travellers due to economy, modernity etc. Didnt have answers.
Later in 1995 I read a book KN Achaya the great food expert which had a graph that showed the prevelance of non vegetarions as being high in South India which popularly was the land of idli and sambar. This new survey only reinforces that old data.
I think the process of Hinduisation of India is still on and is not yet complete. The revival since the Guptas was stopped by the two invasions and the force of history thru modernity is making its impact. The rural is asserting itself. Not a bad thing.
Vegetarianism is a concisous choice and needs a higher intellectual enlightenment. Vegetarianism in Hindu India is a result of the great influences of Jainism and Buddhism to some extent. It was the adoption of these aspects that had a role in the roll back.
Viren, Ravish is honest so dont hold that against him.
I firmly believe in "Annam parabrahama swarupum" ie is "Food gives Life" and not "Food is God."
For those interested I have a book called "Eternal Food"- Gastronomic Ideas of Hindu food by Khare " a SUNYstudy. Awesome discourse on the ritual aspects of food in Hindu religion.
Here is a review of the book:
http://ccbs.ntu.edu.tw/FULLTEXT/JR-EPT/fran.htm
Ravishji,
If people are choosing unhealthy eating habits, it is their own problem, if they want to touch bottom first, let it be. Smart people are rare to find and India is not an exception.
Drinking and smoking is bad for health but Indians are adopting this life style, good for them. Shorter life span will reduce population growth. Good for earth and its resources.
Yesterday, during prime time on TV, they showed two hours programme on Yoga, basically they started from Harappa and education on Vedic culture, Gita, Upanishad, importance of Yoga, importance of Satvick food etc for healthy, long life.
Here in schools they had made Yoga and meditation compulsory and forcing kids to eat vegetables by removing junk food from school cafeteria and wending machines.
When there is something good in our Religion and culture, why not promote it? Wrong is wrong. There are three kind of people, one who follow others , second, who don't do anything, and third who correct others and leads the right path.
Orthodox or very orthodox Hindus are not bad people, as you are continuously trying to project. Why you want to project that wrong way is the best way?
I hope you don't encourage drunken family member or priest doing puja in your home because it is not an orthodox way. Again, if you are doing, its your choice.
<b>Anyway, here is health western food recipes, ofcourse it is vegetarian. Enjoy it</b>
http://www.yogaindailylife.org.au/news/recipes/archive/
I fully endorse your views, and I have myself experianced the increase in the number of vegetarians in the West. Let us hope wiser sense will prevail among our upward mobile younger generation.
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You will find lot here.
I am vegetarian by choice. I was working in Singapore where it was difficult to find vegetarian food and I had no facility to cook. Somehow, managed to get Veggie food either in Buddhist or Sri Lankan stalls in Food courts. Buddhist eats vegetarian food only those days when they are repenting. Lot of times they close those stalls. All my local colleagues from Singapore, Malaysia, Indonesia, and Hong Kong used to wonder how I am so healthy with vegetarian food. After work I used to spend my time taking Marshal art training or playing Basket or volleyball and morning 2 miles jog on beach. I am female. My stamina was much better than any guy in our group, I was the best. Average age of our group was 23 years. Two guys decided to shadow me and my eating habits.
Well, within a week they started going one day veggie. Slowly we all started having lot of veggie days. Plus we started experimenting lot of veggie food from different culture.
"Healthy body, Healthy mind, High thinking"
<!--QuoteBegin-Mudy+Oct 27 2006, 10:49 PM-->QUOTE(Mudy @ Oct 27 2006, 10:49 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->I am vegetarian by choice. I was working in Singapore where it was difficult to find vegetarian food and I had no facility to cook. Somehow, managed to get Veggie food either in Buddhist or Sri Lankan stalls in Food courts. Buddhist eats vegetarian food only those days when they are repenting. Lot of times they close those stalls. All my local colleagues from Singapore, Malaysia, Indonesia, and Hong Kong used to wonder how I am so healthy with vegetarian food. After work I used to spend my time taking Marshal art training or playing Basket or volleyball and morning 2 miles jog on beach. I am female. My stamina was much better than any guy in our group, I was the best. Average age of our group was 23 years. Two guys decided to shadow me and my eating habits.
Well, within a week they started going one day veggie. Slowly we all started having lot of veggie days. Plus we started experimenting lot of veggie food from different culture.
"Healthy body, Healthy mind, High thinking"
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I'm vegetarian by choice too, I'm Italian and here the most of the population eats meat, since I decide to be vegetarian(two years ago) some members of my family started to make critics on me, they don't understand my choice and initially they tryed to make me eat meat hiding any in my food or making my old favourite meat-dishes... Now they've stopped this devices but they sometimes still try to reconvert me.
Also finding food was difficult at the starting point, now if I have to stay at the university at lunch I prepare my meal the day before because if I want vegetarian food I must go to the restaurant or eat just sweets and fruit.
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<b>Kids With High IQs Grow Up to Be Vegetarians </b><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->"We know from other studies that brighter children tend to behave in a healthier fashion as adults -- they're less likely to smoke, less likely to be overweight, less likely to have high blood pressure and more likely to take strenuous exercise," Gale said. "This study provides further evidence that people with a higher IQ tend to have a healthier lifestyle."
In the study, Gale's team collected data on nearly 8,200 men and women aged 30, whose IQ had been tested when they were 10 years of age.
"Children who scored higher on IQ tests at age 10 were more likely than those who got lower scores to report that they were vegetarian at the age of 30," Gale said.
The researchers found that 4.5 percent of participants were vegetarians. Of these, 2.5 percent were vegan, and 33.6 percent said they were vegetarian but also ate fish or chicken.
There was no difference in IQ score between strict vegetarians and those who said they were vegetarian but who said they ate fish or chicken, the researchers add.
Vegetarians were more likely to be female, of higher social class and better educated, but IQ was still a significant predictor of being vegetarian after adjustment for these factors, Gale said.
"Vegetarian diets are associated with lower cardiovascular disease risk in a number of studies, so these findings suggest that a such a diet may help to explain why children or adolescents with a higher IQ have a lower risk of coronary heart disease as adults," Gale said.
One expert said the findings aren't the whole answer, however.
"This study left many unanswered questions such as: Did the vegetarian children grow up in a household with a vegetarian parent? Were meatless meals regularly served in the household? Were the children eating a primarily vegetarian diet at the age of 10?" said Lona Sandon, an assistant professor of clinical nutrition at the University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center at Dallas.
"In addition, we don't know the beliefs or attitudes of the parents of the children, nor do we know if there was a particular event that led these children to becoming vegetarian in their teens or adulthood," Sandon said.
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Can some experts explain the ritualistic arrangement of the meals on the South Indian thali at ceremonial occassions? I mean there is definite pattern to it and is consistent.
This not Indian but healthy breakfast or snack.
<b>Homemade Granola </b>
4 cups old-fashioned rolled oats
2 cups sweetened shredded coconut
2 cups sliced almonds
1/2 cup vegetable oil - [ can reduce oil to half]
1/2 cup good honey
1 1/2 cups small diced dried apricots
1 cup dried cherries
1 cup dried cranberries
1 cup roasted, unsalted cashews
Preheat the oven to 325 degrees F.
Toss the oats, coconut, and almonds together in a large bowl. Whisk together the oil and honey in a small bowl. Pour the liquids over the oat mixture and stir with a wooden spoon until all the oats and nuts are coated. Pour onto a 13 by 18 by 1-inch sheet pan. Bake, <b>stirring occasionally with a spatula</b>, until the mixture turns a nice, even, golden brown, about 22-25 minutes.
Remove the granola from the oven and allow to cool, stirring occasionally. Add the apricots, cherries, cranberries, and cashews. Store the cooled granola in an airtight container.
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<!--QuoteBegin-ramana+Mar 30 2007, 09:11 PM-->QUOTE(ramana @ Mar 30 2007, 09:11 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Can some experts explain the ritualistic arrangement of the meals on the South Indian thali at ceremonial occassions? I mean there is definite pattern to it and is consistent.
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ramana, do you mean the order in which the food is served or the way it is arranged on the plantain leaf? If arrangement, then I think it has more to do with convenience than anything else.
The arrangement of the food on the platter(banana leaf, silver plate, kendu leaf and whatever). There is a definite ritual to that not just convienence. I have ssen pictures from all over South India(Andhra, Karnataka, Tamilnadu and yeterday from Kerala on PBS show on Kerala) and there is a pattern. Also the number of items at ritual feasts are usually odd five, seven or nine.
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In south karnataka, there is a definite order of items to be served on plantain leaf or on plates during festivals, shraddhas etc. The left bottom is chitranna ( tamrind paste rice or puliyogre). From there in clock wise directions is 2 types of kosambari, 2 types of palya, payasam on right hand bottom, white rice between payasam and puliyogre on bottom, touvve( dal) on the rice and ghee on top of it. Ghee is served last, and you are not supposed to start eating till ghee is served. This is the typical festival/function items. Of course, they don't prepare garlic/onion during festivals/functions in brahmin families.
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