History Of different clans of India

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Hello All

I found India-Forum a very informative site. I am new here.

Does anyone have or know the history of KHANNAs in India and abroad ? Some web links / books / articles / etc may help me.

Thanks in advance.

B Khanna

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Some one please help me in finding the info.

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Hi there,

I belong to a caste known as The Maher (Mers) of Saurasthra and my last name is Sisodia. The Mahers consists only of Rajput clans. The thing is i want to know more about the mahers how the ended up in Gujarat where they are to be found today around the Porbandar area. And also me being a Sisodia-Rajput my ancestors where from rajisthan, how did we end up within the maher caste. Ive bin searching this information for quite some time, giving up soon but i was hoping that someone here might be able to help me. Lately ive been reading some information that indicates that we are just kathis and not rajputs, so I wanted to learn more.

Thanks

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Attention: All Hindu Brothers and Sisters

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Rajput

I would like to draw your attnetion to the definition of the word
Rajput being hijacked by some Muslims who are trying to bring the
term Muslim Rajput in the periphery of the word Rajput.

Now the basic tenet of a person who is Rajput is that he/she should
be a Hindu, this simple fact is not being digested by these zealots.
Even though several references have been provided from various books
and explanation of the Hindu Religion but the message fails to get
across.

Unfortunately amongst others, only one continues to defend
Hindus/Rajputs - Shivraj Singh, who has been taking on these
Muslims, the situation has become so volatile that the discussion
running into several pages are now being archived. I am afraid if
Shivraj Singh loses steam one more defense of us Hindus will be lost
to these barbarians.

It is my earnest request to all the brothers and sisters on this
forum to spare a few minutes and visit the above link,
where our culture is at stake.

Kindly convey this message to other likeminded groups also

Jai Hind,

Sayvari

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There is no such thing as a muslim Rajput.

Most of the muslim "Rajputs" are the illegitimate offspring of Turkish invaders.

The clowns are trying to invent some great ancestory for themselves.

[Guest]

Can the Rajputs on this forum send an email to the Admin of Rajput Samaj and ask him to remove this Pakistani crap article from his website? :-

http://www.rajputsamaj.net/miscellaneous/pakrajput.htm


It has all kinds of rubbish about Muslim "Rajputs".

How can a half Turk, half Arab half breed become a Rajput?

Rajputs are direct descendents of the great Kshatriya warriors of the Vedic era.

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<!--QuoteBegin-mitradena+Nov 12 2005, 07:26 AM-->QUOTE(mitradena @ Nov 12 2005, 07:26 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Can the Rajputs on this forum send an email to the Admin of Rajput Samaj and ask him to remove this Pakistani crap article from his website? :-

http://www.rajputsamaj.net/miscellaneous/pakrajput.htm


It has all kinds of rubbish about Muslim "Rajputs".

How can a half Turk, half Arab half breed become a Rajput?

Rajputs are direct descendents of the great Kshatriya warriors of the Vedic era.
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dear mitradena It is important to be tolerant and rational in our views. Conversion does not mean mixing of genes autometically.Our meos in India(like Abdul Kalam Azad) are proud of their Lord Ram's ancestory.It is very importnt to find out why Rajputs have genetic lines( gotras) from Gujjars jats and Huns till today which is well established fact in order to find out the real roots of Rajput tribe.

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<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Our meos in India(like Abdul Kalam Azad) are proud of their Lord Ram's ancestory.
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If the Meos are so proud of their ancestory, how come they have not converted back to Hinduism?

The fact that they stubbornly cling on to Islam speaks volumes for their loyalty to their ancestory.

They are breeding like cats and dogs so they can convert Haryana into a muslim majority region.


<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->It is very importnt to find out why Rajputs have genetic lines( gotras) from Gujjars jats and Huns till today which is well established fact in order to find out the real roots of Rajput tribe.
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I agree. I think Ravi Choudhary is discussing this in another thread.

Clearly the original Gujjars and Jats were not Turks or Arabs.

The Pakistani Gujjars and Jats may infact be half Turk or Arab, but clearly the Hindu Jats and Gujjars are not.

We know that the muslims used to kidnap Hindu women and rape them. How do we know these people (Pakistani muslims) are not the product of this rape?

During the Muslim rule Hindus, regardless of jati, never accepted any Muslim as part of them. This is a fact. You can check this for yourself.


Another example I can give is of Allama Iqbal, the national poet of Pakistan.

His ancestor was a Kashmiri Brahmana who converted to Islam. Clearly he would have been kicked out of his community and would have married some muslim.

Now are you saying that we accept his descendents as Brahmanas?
Clearly he is of mixed ancestory and cannot become Hindu again.


Fact of the matter is that the Pakistanis are now part of the middle east, both racially and culturally. There is no point in day dreamers in India thinking that they are our long lost brothers.

They are not part of us and they have no right making false claims about our ancestory.

[Bharatvarsh]

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Now are you saying that we accept his descendents as Brahmanas?
Clearly he is of mixed ancestory and cannot become Hindu again.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Wrong, he can become a Hindu again if he so wishes to do so, I have repeatedly said to people that being Hindu has nothing to do with race (are you also going to say that we should strip the Hindu status from the Ahoms who invaded Assam and were later Hinduised and Balinese Hindus since they are not of Indian origin?), can you prove that every Hindu in India is of pure Hindu ancestry?, if not then why the hypocrisy when it comes to accepting Muslims who wish to come back. I am sure Swami Dayananda knew more than us about Sanatana Dharma and he gave the call for shuddhi (and no he didn't go around measuring the nasal index of the Muslims he was reconverting to see if they are of mixed ancestry), the sooner Hindus realise that shuddhi of Muslims is the only permanent solution the better off we will be.

[Bharatvarsh]

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Our meos in India(like Abdul Kalam Azad) are proud of their Lord Ram's ancestory.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The meo's used to be half Hindu and half Muslim but after the tabligh movement they are all like an indian version of the Taliban, Abul Kalam Azad was a smarter person than Jinnah, he wanted to Islamisise all India (he was from the Deobandi school of thought), he was no nationalist, just a cunning Muslim who saw that partition was harmful to Muslim interests and thats why he opposed it.

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Thats not the point and not the point of the discussion either. The point is muslims cannot be rajputs at the same time. Rajputs have strict rules as far as marriage etc is concerned. The moment he gives that up, he cannot be a Rajput anymore.

As an example, there are Indian (native) casinos in the US for many Indian tribes. The casinos are supposed to be a compensation to the Indians for taking over their country (something like that). Anyways the rules are a person has to prove he has so much of that tribe's blood in him/her in order to claim part of the casino's profit.

Same here.

[Bharatvarsh]

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->The point is muslims cannot be rajputs at the same time. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Agreed a Muslim cannot be a Rajput, I was saying that being of mixed ancestry does not mean you cannot become Hindu as some Hindus seem to imply (as if they themselves are sure that their ancestors never mixed with any outsiders since Humans evolved).

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This has to be a unique feature of hindus. We somehow invent ways to fight with each other when the topic is way off. I got to read that new book on argumentative indian or something... <!--emo&--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->

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<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Wrong, he can become a Hindu again if he so wishes to do so, I have repeatedly said to people that being Hindu has nothing to do with race (are you also going to say that we should strip the Hindu status from the Ahoms who invaded Assam and were later Hinduised and Balinese Hindus since they are not of Indian origin?), can you prove that every Hindu in India is of pure Hindu ancestry?, if not then why the hypocrisy when it comes to accepting Muslims who wish to come back.
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I have no authority to strip anybody of their Hindu status.

What the Balinese Hindus or Ahoms want to believe is up to them.

I don't believe in forcing my view on others.


But if a Pakistani liar goes around claiming himself to be a Rajput, Jat, Brahmana, Chamar or any other well known Hindu Jati then clearly I have to expose them.


Besides how can you verify whether the Pakistanis are lying or telling the truth.

Vast majority of Pakistanis are of Arab, Turk or Persian ancestory. Just look at their faces and see the features!

They are not Indian at all. They have some Indian blood mixed in them, but that does not make them Indian.

Pakistanis are proud of their Arab culture and ancestory. They consider themselves racially superior to Hindus. So let them take pride in it.
Why should I care what a foreigner believes in?
Why should I impose Hinduism on a foreigner?


The problem I have with Islam is that they stole our land and are illegally occuping it. If they pack their bags and go to Arabia, I don't have any problems with them at all.

[Bharatvarsh]

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->But if a Pakistani liar goes around claiming himself to be a Rajput, Jat, Brahmana, Chamar or any other well known Hindu Jati then clearly I have to expose them.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Agree with this.

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Besides how can you verify whether the Pakistanis are lying or telling the truth.

Vast majority of Pakistanis are of Arab, Turk or Persian ancestory. Just look at their faces and see the features!<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
lol that is exactly what Pakistanis say and you seem to believe their nonsense, 90% of them have Hindu ancestory which they try to cover up, even during Guru Nanank's time I think West Punjab was Hindu majority (as witnessed by the fact that there were only 2 Muslims near his village of Talwindi) so how do they suddenly get arab ancestry as u imply, people don't just become Arab becuase they claim they are Arab.

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->They are not Indian at all. They have some Indian blood mixed in them, but that does not make them Indian.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Most of them have Hindu ancestors and were forcibly converted by Muslim rulers, a tiny minority of them are of foreign origin, the rest are all of Hindu origin (as witnessed by the fact that foreign origin Muslims despise many of the native muslims even in Pakistan).

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Pakistanis are proud of their Arab culture and ancestory. They consider themselves racially superior to Hindus. So let them take pride in it.
Why should I care what a foreigner believes in?
Why should I impose Hinduism on a foreigner?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You are confusing issues, first off when did I say we need to impose Hinduism on foreigners, I said if a person of foreign ancestry wishes to become a Hindu then he/she can do so (as David Frawley and Yvette Rosser did) but you go around saying that a person of mixed or foreign ancestry can't become Hindu when infact the Vedas say "Krinvanto Vishvam Aryam - Make This World Noble.", they didn't ask us to measure the nasal index and DNA of a person to see if he is of foreign origin if he wanted to follow Sanatana Dharma.

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->The problem I have with Islam is that they stole our land and are illegally occuping it. If they pack their bags and go to Arabia, I don't have any problems with them at all.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Typical RSS thinking, everything is reduced to a territorial problem (national vs anti national), by this logic we should have no problem if Nazis just wanted to establish themselves in Germany since Nazism originated there, Islam is an ideology and according to it all earth belongs to Muslims so Muslims will never simply leave for arabia, assuming that they leave what guarantee is there that they won't launch future incursions again into Bharat since Islam teaches them to do jihad against kaffirs (so as long as an ideology called Islam exists there will always be problems with Muslims for Hindus), so the permanent solution for Islam in Bharat atleast is to bring back all Muslims into Hindu society as the Arya Samaj tried to do, even Shivaji reconverted Netaji Palkar. Sita Ram Goel, Ram Swarup and countless other Hindu thinkers did not spend their entire lives saying that Muslims should leave for Arabia, they wanted Muslims to be brought back into Hinduism and Hindu society. The following passage by Elst is relevant to this topic so here it is:

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->This futile attempt to identify the Islam problem in terms of "Indian" vs. "foreign" implies a second similarity with certain undesirable xenophobic trends in the West.  Semi-literate xenophobic ideologues in Europe identify Islam as "a foreign religion, fit for Asiatics but not for Europe".  In their opinion, there is nothing wrong with Islam, <span style='font-size:14pt;line-height:100%'>as long as it remains in its country of origin. </span> This is not too different from the applause given in Hindutva publications to Anwar Shaykh's thesis that "Islam is the Arab national movement".  In his book Islam, the Arab National Movement, the Pakistan-born apostate author from Cardiff (with a death-warrant fatwa on his head since 1994) accurately documents how islamization has meant external arabization (names, clothes, script) for most converted populations, but wrongly infers that Islam is a form of Arab nationalism or Arab imperialism.



         For the Sangh, this thesis was doubly welcome: it recast the Islam problem in the familiar, safely secular-sounding terms of nationalism, and it legitimized Islam ("See we're not against Islam?") all while limiting its legitimate geographical domain so as to exclude India from it.  The implication is that Hinduism is Indian nationalism, and Islam is Arab nationalism.  This is grossly unjust to the Arabs and the native Arab culture which Islam destroyed.  There is nothing Arab about Islam, a doctrine confabulated by Mohammed from half-digested bits and pieces of Jewish and Christian lore, combined with his own extraordinary self-image and the hallucinations registered on his sensory nerves (the Quranic voice he "heard").  Except for a small minority of people attracted to Mohammed out of gullibility or lust for booty and power, the Arabs were only forced under the yoke of Islam after valiantly resisting it.  For the sake of comparison, Communism was not the "Chinese national movement" just because Chairman Mao's Communists militarily wrested the country from the legitimate Nationalist Government of Chiang Kai-shek.  The genuine Arab national movement was the so-called Ridda ("return" to god-pluralism) uprising against the Islamic state after Mohammed's death, in which the Arabs tried to restore their pluralistic culture.[7]



         The review of Anwar Shaykh's work in Organiser was titled "Muslim proud of his Aryan heritage".  This was, first of all, an untruthful statement.  It is true that Anwar Shaykh has rediscovered the "Aryan" (i.e. Vedic) heritage which his great-grandfather had abandoned by converting to Islam.[8]  But the consequence of this rediscovery was precisely the opposite of what the Organiser title suggests: he quit Islam, becoming a <span style='font-size:14pt;line-height:100%'>"non-Muslim proud of his Aryan heritage".</span>  Secondly, this title sent the wrong message to Indian Muslims.  The message which Organiser sought to convey was that Indian Muslims should follow Anwar Shaykh's example: remain Muslim all while rediscovering their Aryan heritage (or with an older term, "indianizing" themselves).  This was a replay of the Gandhian myth of the "nationalist Muslim" for whom Islam and Indianness are not incompatible.[9]  But the case of Anwar Shaykh proved just the opposite: by rediscovering his Hindu heritage, a Muslim loses his Muslim identity.  Islamic fanatics are wholly aware of this phenomenon, which is why they try to nip it in the bud, e.g. by forbidding Hindu religious music on Pakistani radio.  The message of the Organiser should have been: "Indian Muslims, follow Anwar Shaykh's example, rediscover your Vedic heritage, and abandon Islam."

A similar case is that of BJP office-bearer Sikander Bakht.  Mr. Bakht is a thorough gentleman, but his main value for the BJP is that he is a born Muslim.  He is often shown off as the party's token Muslim, but just as often, angry Muslims write letters to the editor to explain that Mr. Bakht is not a Muslim at all.  They say that he actually converted to Hinduism on the occasion of his marriage to a Hindu lady, and that his children were raised as Hindus.  Now, when I am to choose between the BJP version and the Muslim version, I tend to attribute more credibility to the latter.  If it is true that Mr. Bakht is a convert, I certainly applaud the BJP policy of giving due prominence to him.  Only, they should have the sincerity and the wisdom to add the correct message, which is not: "We have Muslims as well", but: "We welcome Indian Muslims seeking the way out of Islam back into their ancestral culture."

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The following applies to Pakistani Muslims as well "Pakistani Muslims, follow Anwar Shaykh's example, rediscover your Vedic heritage, and abandon Islam."

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Bharatvarsh

While you have brought out an interesting point, I dont think this is the thread to discuss it. Muslims cannot be Rajputs. period. Heck I cannot be a Rajput. Thats the end of discussion for this thread.

I want to open a separate thread which discusses how the hindu society can deal with the issue you are raising. Want to do the honors ? The thrust should be -> how should hinduism spread, logistics, processes, etc.. Please open thread in culture forum. Thanks.

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<!--QuoteBegin-mrvesta+Nov 2 2005, 09:45 PM-->QUOTE(mrvesta @ Nov 2 2005, 09:45 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Hello All

I found India-Forum a very informative site. I am new here.

Does anyone have or know the history of KHANNAs in India and abroad ? Some web links / books / articles / etc may help me.

Thanks in advance.

B Khanna
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KHANNA' s are Kahtries from greater Punjab(Pakistan Punjab, HP, Indian Punjab, Harayana). No specific link or history, so it may be named after place. "People from village Khanna"
Khanna is a town near Muree, Pakistan
There is a city "Khanna" in Punjab, but its history and origin is different.
Link<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->After the decline of mughal rule in Punjab Banda Bahadur captured the area from Sirhind to Hoshiarpur. After that a jathedar of Dahedu controlled and occupied the whole of area from Dahedu to Nabha. He married his daughter Daya Kaur to king of Nabha. When a family dispute arose between king of Nabha and Rani Daya Kaur she left Nabha for good and came back to Dahedu her parental home. According to Indian conventions she could not remain with her parents forever. Therefore, her father cut out a  KANA which signifies a  small portion of territory between Dahedu and Nabha.With passage of time word KANA came to be known as KHANNA. The original area of Khanna is chotta khanna while the modern extension is now called Khanna.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

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I belong to the Reddy caste. We belong to a nomadic North Indian group originating from Hariyana (supposedly). Reddys have historically been warriors and farmers. Some say that Reddys are descended from an earlier form of village police (also resisting Muslim incursion). Most Reddys are found in Central and Southern India right now. There are many many castes which are similar to Reddys... I think Rai and Rao may be related castes. My particular family was in charge of several villages. We used to have an old fort in our possession, but that whole area as been locked down by infidel Communists. There is an old tradition which says that Reddys fought on the side of the Kaurava during the Mahabharata. After having lost the war, we moved south so that the Pandava supporters won't persecute us.

[Sunder]

Wikipedia - on Reddys.