<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Well why consider only EU consider and forget their very progeny from North America, South America, Australia, New Zealand. They are all from EU descendents......<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
And they are all committing demographic suicide also with the exception of US and South American goras (who are negligible). Even in US the goras are below replacement fertility but population is still growing thanks to largescale Hispanic migration.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->If USA can send in its army to Vietnam and south Korea., WIll it sit and watch EU fall....come on we are not living in 19th century..... <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
It can send its army or whatever but what will it do with Muslims in Europe when it conquers Europe, even after it conquers Europe it will still stay as Muslim majority for the simple reason that the West has lost its appetite for doing a second holocaust largely, especially on internal Muslims, that is why Milosevic is in the pathetic condition he is today, in 19th century West he would have probably been garlanded for doing what he did.
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And they are all committing demographic suicide also with the exception of US and South American goras (who are negligible). Even in US the goras are below replacement fertility but population is still growing thanks to largescale Hispanic migration.
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It can send its army or whatever but what will it do with Muslims in Europe when it conquers Europe, even after it conquers Europe it will still stay as Muslim majority for the simple reason that the West has lost its appetite for doing a second holocaust largely, especially on internal Muslims, that is why Milosevic is in the pathetic condition he is today, in 19th century West he would have probably been garlanded for doing what he did.
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Don't forget another important point that Milosevic was Orthodox Xian. Not part of the mainstream RomanC and ProtestC. WHich explains his down fall. Hence he was dispensable to make an example to Oil producers. CHina is committing worst atrocities in Tibet but as there is no oil, no cruise missiles for help.
Also we have to remember that it is a part of civilizational evolutionary process. History is littered with corpses of civilizations which were far more superior to incoming hoards of Barbarians. When one civilization becomes too refined/developed with extreme catering to senses then it is brought down by a civilization which is more brute.......remember Egyptians, Persians, Byzantine Empire and last but not the least our very own Vedic land was brought down by hungry and marauding bandits from the middle east because we were practising extreme sensitivity by even not killing animals, ahimsa, forgiveness, humanism,
This is a part of the civilizational evolution. Either you become equally ferocious or be prepared to be brought down. That is the message you get from history.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->It is utter stupidity to rejoice about Europe becoming Muslim, Europe is largely a post Christian society and if countries like France fall then European nukes will be aimed at India sooner or later by Muslims when they take over and we will feel the heat then.
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France, Spain, Italy & Portugal don't even recognize Hinduism as a valid religion.
Arab countries like UAE and Oman are more tolerant of Hinduism than them.
How many Hindu temples are there in France?
Compare that with UAE or Oman.
When the muslim and other non-white hordes start pouring in, these scumbags will be forced to fight in their own back yard. This will relieve pressure off of India.
Further the muslims will be massacred in the end by the Europeans.
No matter what the apathy, their armies are still very powerful and can fight well.
While Europe becomes busy in a civil war, India can hammer our abrahamics without any interference from them.
So in the end India wins.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->It can send its army or whatever but what will it do with Muslims in Europe when it conquers Europe, even after it conquers Europe it will still stay as Muslim majority for the simple reason that the West has lost its appetite for doing a second holocaust largely, especially on internal Muslims, that is why Milosevic is in the pathetic condition he is today, in 19th century West he would have probably been garlanded for doing what he did.
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Milosevic is in bad shape because of his own idiocy.
He had a good chance of keeping all the gains he had made in Kosovo if had played diplomacy correctly. John Major of UK actually supported him.
Majority of whites in Europe support Milosevic. It was American interference which ruined everything.
Only Western Europe will move towards a collapse, not Eastern Europe.
Western Europe will not become muslim majority. It will reach a level of max 30% muslim and another 20% non-white.
As western grows closer to civil war, the liberal governments will collapse.
Then western armies and bands of militias from Eastern Europe will join together and slaughter the muslims.
Russia may very well emerge as the new leader of Europe.
We may even see a new nationalist Europe under Russian leadership.
Only Western Europe will move towards a collapse, not Eastern Europe.
yes its western europe alone thats economicaly lucrative. they are also liberal. eastern europe is very racially concious both at govt and individual level
Western Europe will not become muslim majority. It will reach a level of max 30% muslim and another 20% non-white.
will too. by 2050. if current trends and birth and immigration rates continue
As western grows closer to civil war, the liberal governments will collapse.
i hope they remain liberal. would love to see an islamic germany.
Then western armies and bands of militias from Eastern Europe will join together and slaughter the muslims.
eastern europe may do it in any case. they have nothing else in life, no jobs, lots of poverty. prostitution is the one major bread winner in eastern europe.
Russia may very well emerge as the new leader of Europe.
they will - regardless of what happenes to western europe. they have lots of resources, natural and human.
We may even see a new nationalist Europe under Russian leadership.
which would be very dangerous. russia's might with germanic superiority complex is bad news for the non-white world.
01-29-2006, 02:26 AM
(This post was last modified: 01-29-2006, 02:39 AM by Bharatvarsh.)
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->France, Spain, Italy & Portugal don't even recognize Hinduism as a valid religion.
Arab countries like UAE and Oman are more tolerant of Hinduism than them.
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Yes they don't recognize Hinduism but that does not change anything I said, its a fact that Europe is now largely a post Christian society and most Europeans are nominal Christians and nothing more, last time I checked there was a big controversy when the Pope asked that Christianity be mentioned in EU constituition as part of Europe's heritage and the secular people won, no reference was made to Christianity, all kinds of anti Church policies are pursued nowadays including legalisation of abortion, prostituiton and Homosexual marriages, does all this look like a Christian society, if any of these were done a few hundred years ago people would be burned at the stake by the Church.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->When the muslim and other non-white hordes start pouring in, these scumbags will be forced to fight in their own back yard. This will relieve pressure off of India.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
How does it relieve any pressure at all, the main Muslim immigration comes from North Africa to Europe so Europe may fight with North Africans while we still have the same enemies to deal with (Pakistan and Bangladesh) which Europe will not fight, further your own thinking always seems to be geared about white vs non white when the fact is that Hindus will also be massacred in Europe if Muslims gain majority, in the Bradford riots Hindu and Sikh shops were burned down and Hindus are leaving Bradford (there was even a news report in BBC about this) so I don't know what you find amusing in the destruction of a productive civilization and our own people (European Hindus). From the BBC article:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Last month Bradford saw the worst riots to hit it in six years. Our Social Affairs Reporter, Barnie Choudhury, went to the city for the Today programme. Now a month on, he has returned to Bradford where he has heard disturbing allegations that Hindu families are being systematically driven out of their homes by young Muslims.
Hasmukh Shah tours what is left of his fire-bombed pharmacy. There is still the smell of burning, a month on. All that remains is a shell of the building. Mr. Shah believes it will cost around three quarters of a million pounds to get back to where the business was before the attack. He is one of twelve international trustees of the Vishwa Hindu Parishad. His critics denounce the VHP as an organisation for Hindu fundamentalists, something it denies. Mr. Shah claims that over the last ten years <span style='color:red'>heâs seen the Hindu community in Lidget Green and Great Horton shrink from five thousand to five hundred: </span>
âThis is a clear warning to the Home Secretary and the police that if they do not want the streets of Britain to be like the Taleban controlled Afghanistan, then they have to take immediate action. This is really a demographic, systematic ethnic cleansing.â
Mr. Shah says that ninety-nine percent of Muslims are law abiding but the rest, a minority of young people, are out of control and intent on causing trouble. People are frightened and some Hindus are leaving the area. One woman, who did not want to be identified, said:
âWe are very scared because when ever we come to the centre, the Muslim youth in particular look upon us as if we are aliens or strangers. Our cars are not safe, the contents of this centre are not safe, our life is also threatened. Thereâs intimidation on the streets everyday.â
Assistant Chief Constable Greg Wilkinson from West Yorkshire police has told the Today programme he knows there are tensions between some Hindus and Muslims:
âWe are talking all the time to the people within both those groups and are trying to work with them to ensure they can live harmoniously. Iâm also aware that some of the Hindu families are moving out of the area.â
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<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Further the muslims will be massacred in the end by the Europeans.
No matter what the apathy, their armies are still very powerful and can fight well.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
We have seen how well Europeans can fight in the recent French riots lol, in 50 years most of them will be old and near death while Muslims will be youthful and also the armies will also be islamisised because Europeans are committing demographic suicide and an army needs youthful people not 50 year olds. Here is a statistic:
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A society that is rapidly aging cannot defend itself against riots, in the French context most of the rioting is done by youths and in a few years something like 45% of French youth will be Muslim so it will nearly be a one on one contest, one white teenager vs a Muslim teenager.
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India can hammer them right now, Europe has no capacity to do anything much to India, the only western country that is a major power is US, we haven't done anything these past 1000 years so I don't see anything happening in the future 1000 years either, partition happened and we could have exchanged populations but we didn't, the only place Muslims were expelled was in Punjab (thanks to the Sikhs), Haryana (Hindu Jats).
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Yes that is very likely although Eastern Europe could go down also, countries like Russia and Ukraine have a negative birth rate (worse than Western Europe) and Russia has about 13% Muslims.
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Simple demographics point to a Muslim majority, Norway will have one by 2050.
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Then western armies and bands of militias from Eastern Europe will join together and slaughter the muslims.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
We haven't seen any indications of that yet, in about 50 years Europe will start going down, as I said by then Muslims will be sizeable % of European armies.
eastern europe is already down - for enonomic reasons. which makes it that much less attractive for muslims to immigrate there.
if turkey joins eu - a lot of turks and non turks could slip in.
as for russia's muslims, they were in russia since the formation of ussr. from the "stan" countries - not immigrated muslims.
but trust the jews to make it easy for muslims and other outsiders to enter russia.
As a reminder to newbies, read my earlier posts on this thread
A brief summary
1. Most muslims are passive jihadists and not educable in the short-medium term
2. The main advantage of islam is street rioting, not muslim armies
Hence the internal muslim is more dangerous than the external muslim
3. The main fuel behind internal muslims is demographic over-breeding
4. Democracies cannot pass laws such as 2 child laws and definitely cant
impose these laws on muslims short of an emergency
Hence 2 child laws are not on the horizon
5. Even if a 2 child law is passed and enforced on internal muslims, we
will have illegal immigration from external muslims
Even the US cant seal its borders
6. India is not over-populated - read my earlier posts
7. The only short-medium term solution to islam is counter breeding
Counter breeding is possible and is done in Gujurat successfully
8. There is no link between over-breeding and economics
9. Counter-rioting will having a temperorily chilling effect on jihadism
is not a long term solution, Islamic breeding defeated stalins genocide
10. Have 5 or be islamised. Neither your wealth nor your education will save
you from the islamic demographic jihad
how many indian families can afford 5 kids?
muslims dont care to give their kids any education, esp a girl child. so not much of an economic burden. how many hindus will do this??
do hindus see tyheir wives as a baby making machine the way muslims do?
the best solution is still a stick and carrot approach to muslims. also pass laws that debar the 4th, 5th etc kid from jobs, education.
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muslims dont care to give their kids any education, esp a girl child. so not much of an economic burden. how many hindus will do this??
do hindus see tyheir wives as a baby making machine the way muslims do?
the best solution is still a stick and carrot approach to muslims. also pass laws that debar the 4th, 5th etc kid from jobs, education.
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It is easier said sitting in a nice place away from where they live. Do you know the way they live in ghettos where even police don't want to go. Such is the filthy environment they live in. Even taxi drivers do not want to go. They live in a different age, in a different time and certainly not in 21st century. Their women are covered in dark burkkas as if they will melt if a non muslim see them. Even in western countries they wear burkkas....
They care two cents for laws, norms, modernity, civility, humanity.....all they care for is their beloved religion ......the control of mullahs is stifling . I have seen even in case of poorest of Muslims, mullahs visit personally to keep them psychologically brain washed. For them local mullah, masjid, muslim brethren, urdu newspaper, kabobs shops, 5 times azan ranting from masjids ...is all that matters. They are waiting for their Saviour to arrive to get rid of this earth from Kaffirs to establish caliphatt from Japan to America. What a fantastic scenario that would be ..every body from Japs to Yankees reading namoj 5 times a day.. <!--emo&  --><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo--> imagine world full of ladies with burkkas......
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It is hard to see any hope for these dudes...
u mean for us dudes.... as long as the woirlkd stays camel jockey infested?
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They care two cents for laws, norms, modernity, civility, humanity.....all they care for is their beloved religion ......the control of mullahs is stifling .
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spot on.... same old strory with a different name where ever the muslims go.
how many indian families can afford 5 kids?
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The previous generation managed 5 kids on a much lower income
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muslims dont care to give their kids any education, esp a girl child. so not much of an economic burden. how many hindus will do this??
do hindus see tyheir wives as a baby making machine the way muslims do?
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Life is Darwin, nasty brutish and short
If hindus are too lazy to breed 5, be prepared to be islamised
Is there anything barbaric in having 5 kids ?
except for family planning propoganda
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Hindu women are fated to have 5 kids either 5 now or 5 later inside an islamic harem
Islam is a very powerful force and to stop it, islamic methods have to be used
The main weapon of islam is breeding , not jihad
then the solution is to stop them from using their main weapon, and not using similar weapon ourselves.
01-29-2006, 07:48 AM
(This post was last modified: 01-29-2006, 07:58 AM by Shambhu.)
Islam has to be made to lose its fanaticism. A steady stream of exposure of what Islam really is will cut down Islamism. Whatever is left of Islam will slowly become agnostic. And a lot of so-called Hindus will lose their anti-Hinduness.
Cut down Islamism every way you can: that is the immediate solution. Education of muslims is one of the ways. And a constant exposure to the realities of the Koran. Too many muslims don't know about Muhammad's child molestation and other perversions. Once they do, *seeds* of doubts about Koran and its "messenger" will arise. Not in all muslims, but at least 90%. And these muslims are less likely to be interested in jehad as we know it.
I am not saying that everything will be fine at once. I am not saying that counter-breeding is not required. All I am saying is do the immediate thing first. There has to be a push on science-maths education and a shut down of madrassas. Seeing that imposition of a 2 child limit is not possible makes it all the more important to push education.
The BJP has to push education big time in Bihar. And one day, in India.
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hehe by then there will be no Bollywood because in Islam it is haram to draw pictures or show pictures of human beings and animals.
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And that needs Hindu unity, militancy and awareness about Islam among Hindus and worldwide awareness about Islam (so that US and other countries will not declare war on India for repressing Muslims and preventing them from breeding), at present that is sorely lacking and may take a few centuries and in those few hundred years Muslims would already have taken over Europe and many different states of India through illegal infiltration and excessive breeding, next even if we impose family planning on Indian Muslims then what about illegal infiltration, there are already 1 million Pakis in India (mostly in Rajasthan) and as Pakistan collapses more will arrive, also in a few years Bangladesh may go under water thanks to global warming and we will see Muslim hordes pour into India claiming refugee status, all these Muslims are not under the purview of Indian laws so who will impose family planning on them? and no country can completely prevent infiltration (not even US) and the BSF is corrupt.
Finally lets have some food for thought, Pakis arm jihadis and send them into India so should we not army Balochis because Muslims are using jihadi infiltration as a weapon?, Muslims use the army to fight a war so should we stop using army and send in Gandhians with their charkas to fight the war just to be different?, as GS said "A Nuke for a Nuke and a baby for a baby".
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You may be right. It is hard to predict the future.
But Whites have historically shown they can smash numerically superior non-white forces.
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Again, you may be correct. It is hard to tell what the white man is really thinking in his head.
How do you explain the fact that UK and Germany are biggest contributors of Xtian missionary aid in India after America?
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It will relieve the psychological pressure on us. That is a bigger relief than physical pressure. It will provide the impetus India needs to smash our foes. Once Indians see Europe openly fighting Islam any secular excuse to do otherwise will be gone.
This is a big benefit.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->further your own thinking always seems to be geared about white vs non white when the fact is that Hindus will also be massacred in Europe if Muslims gain majority, in the Bradford riots Hindu and Sikh shops were burned down and Hindus are leaving Bradford (there was even a news report in BBC about this) so I don't know what you find amusing in the destruction of a productive civilization and our own people (European Hindus).
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Hindus need to leave Europe within the next 20 years if they want to remain Hindu. The reason we are all in the west is for money. Once we earn enough, we need to go back to India. This a topic for another thread.
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Don't be pessimistic. Be eternally optimistic. This is teaching of the Yoga Vasistha.
By positive thinking and firm will power you can change your destiny.
Strong will power comes from Brahmacharya.
01-29-2006, 08:00 AM
(This post was last modified: 01-29-2006, 08:10 AM by Bharatvarsh.)
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Islam has to be made to lose its fanaticism. A steady stream of exposure of what Islam really is will cut down Islamism. Whatever is left of Islam will slowly become agnostic. And a lot of so-called Hindus will lose their anti-Hinduness.
Cut down Islamism every way you can: that is the immediate solution. Education of muslims is one of the ways. And a constant exposure to the realities of the Koran. Too many muslims don't know about Muhammad's child molestation and other perversions. Once they do, *seeds* of doubts about Koran and its "messenger" will arise. Not in all muslims, but at least 90%. And these muslims are less likely to be interested in jehad as we know it.
I am not saying that everything will be fine at once. I am not saying that counetr-breeding is not required. All I am saying is do the immediate thing first. There has to be a push on science-maths education and a shut down of madrassas. Seeing that imposition of a 2 child limit is not possible makes it alll the more important to push education.
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The point is that making them see the light will take centuries if not a thousand years, Xtianity took hundreds of years (from the beginning of the Renaissance to the modern times) to stop doing heretic burning and witch hunting and have some reform, Islam is even more fanatical and will probably take even longer and by they time they see the light we will already have a second partition or total islamisation or a bloody civil war, counter breeding gives time for reeducation. When it comes to retaliation and riots Hindus are the first ones to quote the scriptures and say that killing innocent Muslims is adharmic etc but they seem to conveniently ignore the scriptures when it comes to family planning, last time I checked a couple is blessed with the following words after marriage:
"Ashta Putra Sowbhagyavati Bhave" or "May you be blessed with eight sons." (sexist alright but still proves my point), in our tradition people were expected to have lots of kids.
Also education by itself means little, Laden is an engineer and most of the people involved with SIMI are also highly educated, what is needed is an education campaign on Islam as an ideology along with everyday education.
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