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07-16-2006, 05:26 AM

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MUMBAI: In the dense green woods around Tansa lake, just 50 miles from Mumbai, one can buy gelatine sticks for just Rs 50 each from tribals. When fixed with a detonator, a stick can blow a hole in a thick wall. Packed with rusty nails and glass pieces and exploded in a crowd, the sticks can reduce a bunch of people to a heap of bodies.

Barely 72 hours after terror on the rail tracks left more than 200 people dead in Mumbai, and in the midst of speculation that the blasts were caused by gelatine sticks, I managed to buy one such stick. Using a detonator and fuse, the man demonstrated how to make a bomb and exploded it in a pond, somewhere on the city's periphery. The bomb, made of half a gelatine stick, caused such a huge explosion that the water rose to 15 feet and the driver accompanying me fell to the ground, trembling with fear.

The tribals living in the 338 sq km area of Tansa sanctuary call these bombs 'awaaz' and regularly use them for fishing in Tansa lake, which supplies water to Mumbai. Packs of similar sticks were used in the blasts that rocked the city in 2002 and 2003.

On hearing that gelatine sticks, a favourite of terrorists and Maoist rebels across the country, are easily available in the stone quarries here, this reporter and a photographer decided to buy the stick from the tribals, one of the easiest ways to procure it.
According to police sources, some quarry owners, who have a licence to keep gelatine sticks, as well as some workers sell these explosives to anti-social elements for Rs 50. When bought in bulk, the sticks may cost a mere Rs 25 per piece.

On Friday, the TOI team began its hunt for a tribal who could sell them a stick. On making some inquiries among the tribals, the team was directed to a man who agreed to sell an 'awaaz' and a 'kape' (detonator) for Rs 50. The man took the money, asked the team to wait and vanished into the jungle. He returned after 30 minutes, with a small plastic packet in his hand.

The package contained a 10-inch gelatine stick wrapped in a white plastic sheet with 'Superpower 90' written on it in shining blue, two detonators and a fuse. With our hearts pounding faster as the devastating explosives came into our hands, we decided to take the packet to Mumbai and hand it over to the police to show how easily it could be bought in the neighbouring district. But the risk of getting caught with explosives en route forced us to return the stick to the tribal. The man, probably eager to show the quality of the stick, offered to make a bomb and explode it in a pond nearby.

To ensure that the stick was finally destroyed, we followed the man to the pond, a few kilometres from the sanctuary. On reaching the site, he split the stick into two parts, inserted the fuse into the detonators, pushed them into the 'bombs' and asked us for a cigarette to ignite the fuse. Since neither of us smoked we could not oblige him.

The man asked a local youth who was fishing in the pond to make a bonfire, picked a burning twig, lit the bomb and lobbed it into the pond. The moment the bomb kissed the pond's surface, it spewed like a volcano with a huge splash and loud sound. A few minutes later the second bomb landed in the pond, sending up a fury of water and sound and leaving a huge cluster of dead fish.

As we headed back to the car, the tribal's face lit up with the 'baksheesh' of Rs 200. He also demanded a small 'cut' of Rs 20 for the boy who lit the bonfire. On our way back to Mumbai, we were left wondering if the police were even aware that close to the city, gelatine sticks were being sold like a sack of potatoes. We bought the stick just to prove a point. Our intention was not to break the law, but to prove that dangerous explosives are easily available merely an hour away from Mumbai.

07-16-2006, 05:37 AM

7/11 Blasts- Mumbai police tipped off on June 27! 
http://www.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?
Saturday, July 15, 2006

New Delhi, July 15: Central intelligence agencies are believed to have
provided information to Mumbai police on June 27 and 28 that the metropolis
would be targeted by the Lashker-e-Toiba militants with the help of Students'
Islamic Movement of Indian (SIMI) activists.

Informed sources said Mumbai police was asked to give an action taken report
on the input provided by Intelligence Bureau on June 27 and June 28 after
the central agency had picked up two men in connection with the Aurungabad arms seizure case.

The matter was believed to have come up for discussions at the meeting Prime Minister Manmohan Singh had with Maharashtra officials in Mumbai during his trip on Friday, the sources said. 

They said the two men had named Mohammed Rahil, a key suspect behind
Tuesday's Mumbai serial blasts and Zabiuddin Ansari as the main persons who had been tasked to carry out some 'kind of terrorist activities' in Mumbai.

One of the two persons was identified as Samad Khan, a resident of Beed
district of Marathwada, who was arrested at Manmad on Friday night. He had said
during interrogation that he had met Zaibuddin in Bangaldesh who had asked him
to get in touch with Rahil in Mumbai.

07-16-2006, 06:12 AM

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- NDTV Correspondent
Saturday, July 15, 2006 (New Delhi):
The Mumbai blasts and grenade attacks in Srinagar will weigh heavily on Prime Minister Manmohan Singh's mind when he goes to St Petersberg for the G-8 summit.

The terror attacks in London a year ago found resonance in what happened at Mumbai.

The government wants powerful foreign leaders to convey that there will be zero tolerance for terrorism.

Foreign Secretary Shyam Saran has said that the recent terror attacks are all inter-linked.

"We'll review the progress of cooperation with Pakistan. Showing no tolerance to terror is the only option," Saran said.

Saying a segmented approach to terrorism won't do, he asked those fighting the menace to share information.

NDTV has learnt that in the wake of the blasts, the Home Ministry is set to forward a note to the cabinet on a new security policy for the country in the fight against terror.

The new security policy is meant to coordinate and empower local agencies in tackling terror threats.

Issues on G-8 agenda
In a sign of just how important the opinions of countries like India and China are on global issues, the eight most powerful will sit across the table to discuss:

Taking the World Trade Organisation issues stuck on subsidies and fair practices at Geneva forward. How to secure the world's energy needs with global crude prices crossing $78 a barrel. A global mechanism to tackle pandemics in the aftermath of the bird flu scare.
In meeting after meeting, whether with US President George Bush or Russian President Vladimir Putin, the message from Dr Manmohan Singh will be a determined one: that terrorism cannot be

07-16-2006, 07:01 AM

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This is jihad
The holy warriors who carried out the 7/11 bombings in Mumbai may be members of local sleeper cells of the LeT and SIMI but the battle they are fighting is part of the global war being waged by Osama bin Laden and his Al Qaeda. With Islamism finding an increasing number of converts in India, Osama and his generals will now find it easier to deploy foot soldiers in our country to push the frontiers of jihad, writes Kanchan Gupta

I don't speak, of course, to the vultures who seeing the September 11 images scornfully giggle 'Good. Americans-got-it-good'. I speak to the people who, though neither stupid nor evil, delude themselves in pietism or uncertainty or doubt. And to them I say: Wake up, folks, wake up! As intimidated as you are by the fear of going against the stream... you don't understand or don't want to understand that a Reverse Crusade is on march. As blinded as you are by the myopia and the stupidity of the Politically Correct, you don't realise, or don't want to realise, that a war of religion is being carried out. A war they call Jihad..."

Celebrated Italian journalist Oriana Fallaci in The Rage and The Pride

There is a certain predictability to the manner in which we in India respond to Islamist terrorism. The lib-left intelligentsia unleashes a propaganda offensive with the aim of painting the criminals as victims and placing the blame at someone else's door. Every time a bomb goes off, leaving in its wake death and destruction, we get to hear the familiar refrain: Babri demolition, Gujarat riots, poor Muslims. We also get to hear, as we did during the hours following the Mumbai bombings, wide-eyed television news anchors breathlessly asking all and sundry: "Do you think this was a terrorist attack?" Perhaps the anchors hoped to hear someone say, "No darling, it was fireworks to celebrate Italy's victory in the World Cup." Within days of the jihadi attack on Sankat Mochan Mandir on the eve of Holi in March this year, a Hindustani classical music concert was organised and telecast live to show that the outpouring of rage across the country was quite misplaced as the people of Varanasi were busy listening to Hori and Thumri. Similarly, after the slaughter in Mumbai, the emphasis has been on how life in that city has not been affected. Boys will be boys, why bother about a bit of harmless mischief?

Meanwhile, the Government is busy doing what this regime does best: Pretending hurt innocence and slyly pointing fingers at "external forces", darkly hinting at Pakistan's role in the bombings but fighting shy of lifting the veil and exposing Islamabad's nasty face. Instead, colourful stories are being planted of how shadowy Pakistan-based Lashkar-e-Tayyeba activists carried out the bombings with the help of the banned Students Islamic Movement of India (SIMI) and then "fled the country". What is not being mentioned is that this Government had allowed the ban on SIMI to lapse for six months, allowing the Islamist organisation to regroup and rearm its cadre. And while the Government looks for convenient stories to dilute anger over its abject failure, Union Human Resource Development Minister Arjun Singh and Minority Affairs Minister AR Antulay wave away all suggestions of the Mumbai bombings, and the bombings and attacks preceding Terror Tuesday, as manifestations of jihad.

Notwithstanding the crafty propaganda of the lib-left intelligentsia and the cunning disinformation campaign of the UPA Government, the writing on the wall is clear: Global jihad has arrived in India. We have the choice of either reading the message and acting accordingly, or demolishing the wall and pretending that all is fine and such "minor irritants" cannot be allowed to come in the way of the peace process with Pakistan. The enormous human cost, it would seem, is a small price to pay for those of us who, to quote Oriana Fallaci, "don't understand or don't want to understand that a Reverse Crusade is on march", who are "blinded... by the myopia and the stupidity of the Politically Correct," who "don't realise, or don't want to realise, that a war of religion is being carried out. A war they call Jihad".

The holy warriors who carried out the 7/11 bombings in Mumbai, and before that in Delhi on the eve of Diwali last year and in Varanasi on the eve of Holi this year, may be members of local sleeper cells of Lashkar-e-Tayyeba and SIMI, but the battle they are fighting is part of the global war being waged by Osama bin Laden and his Al Qaeda, at present headquartered in Gen Pervez Musharraf's Pakistan, to establish the primacy and dominance of Islam. With Islamism finding an increasing number of converts in India, and pretended victimhood becoming a convenient cover to unleash manufactured rage on issues ranging from President George Bush's visit to the alleged lampooning of the Prophet by Jyllands-Posten, a Danish newspaper, from India's vote against Iran in the IAEA's board of governors meeting to Western aid agencies refusing to fund Hamas's terror campaign - issues that fit into the larger matrix of pan-Islamism - Osama bin Laden and his generals will now find it easier to deploy foot soldiers in our country to push the frontiers of jihad and expand the theatre of this clash of civilisations.

Moreover, as explained by terrorism expert Alexis Debat in his analysis, Why Al Qaeda is at Home in Pakistan: Terror Organisation Believed to be Drawing Less from Arabs, More from South Asia, there has been a tactical shift in Al Qaeda's campaign. Rather than send in "outsiders" to carry out spectacular attacks - as was done on 9/11 when Egyptian Mohammed Atta led a group of Saudis and other Arabs to implement a plot hatched by, among others, Pakistani Khalid Shaikh Mohammed - it now prefers to use local recruits to the cause of jihad. The message is external, those who carry out the task are from within.

This point is underscored by a factor that is common to the Madrid bombings of March 11, 2004, the London Underground bombings of July 7, 2005, and the Mumbai bombings of July 11, 2006. In all three instances, the attacks were planned and carried out by homegrown jihadis: Moroccan immigrants in Spain, Pakistani immigrants in the UK, and, unless proved otherwise, Indian Muslims in Mumbai. The bombers may have been motivated by "local causes", but the larger cause is that of flying the flag of global jihad. They have inflicted pain on their country to satiate the dark desires of their ideological masters; they have made their country suffer so that pan-Islamists can cheer.

If we are looking for the "external message" that activated "internal" sleeper cells to go on the offensive in Mumbai, we could perhaps find it in Osama bin Laden's April 23, 2006, message broadcast by Al Jazeera in which he ranted against what he described as "a Crusader-Zionist-Hindu war against the Muslims". Elaborating on this point, he declared, "A UN resolution passed more than half-a-century ago gave Muslim Kashmir the liberty of choosing independence from India. George Bush, the leader of the Crusaders' campaign, announced a few days ago that he will order his converted agent (Pakistan President Pervez) Musharraf to shut down the Kashmir mujahidin camps, thus affirming that it is a Zionist-Hindu war against Muslims... It is the duty of the umma with all its categories, men, women and youth, to give away themselves, their money, experiences and all types of material support, enough to establish jihad particularly in Iraq, Palestine, Afghanistan, Sudan, Kashmir and Chechnya. Jihad today is an imperative for every Muslim. The umma will commit a sin if it does not provide adequate material support for jihad."

So, we have local issues blending into Osama's global war against non-believers.

Seen against the backdrop of global jihad and as part of the larger matrix of Reverse Crusade, the Mumbai bombings serve Osama bin Laden's blood-soaked cause in more ways than one. Ever since the Twin Tower bombings and the assault on the Pentagon, Al Qaeda has been plotting spectacular attacks in a manner that keeps jihad on the front page, in prime time news bulletins, and high on the collective consciousness of people across the world. So we had the Bali bombings of October 12, 2002; the Madrid bombings of March 11, 2004; the London bombings of July 7, 2005; and, now, the Mumbai bombings of last Tuesday. The latest strike can also be seen as an attempt to escalate Al Qaeda-inspired Islamist terror. We have Hamas and Hizbullah courting retaliatory violence from Israel so that they can justify subsequent acts of terror. In southern Afghanistan, Al Qaeda's new hero Dadullah, known for blood-chilling cruelty that can put Atilla the Hun to shame, is leading a renewed and vigorous Taliban offensive. In Iraq, Islamist "insurgency" continues to overshadow political gains and consolidation of pro-democracy forces. A third factor that needs to be built in to get the larger picture is Al Qaeda's - more so Osama bin Laden's - expected effort to overcome the deaths of two of its generals in recent days: Abu Musab Zarqawi, killed in Iraq on June 8, and Shamil Basayev of Beslan fame, hunted down by Russian troops in Chechnya on July 10. After the Mumbai bombings, Al Qaeda can tell subscribers of Osama bin Laden's venomous ideology that a death here and a killing there of its men mean nothing and cannot stall the onward march of jihadis.

If there is any lesson to be learned from the carnage in Mumbai, it is that we should not delude ourselves in "pietism or uncertainty or doubt". Heed Oriana Fallaci's rage and, "Wake up, folks, wake up!" This is jihad.

07-16-2006, 11:16 AM

I had opined that GOI/MMS would not be able to take any substantive action, both internally (SIMI, POTA) as well as externally (LET, PAKISTAN).

However, in my opinion, if I were MMS/GOI, these are the steps I WOULD take to redeem myself before the Indian people.

1) Issue a declaration that the Government of India holds Pakistan and Musharraf responsible for the recent train blasts and terrorism in Mumbai.

2) That the GOI, with immediate effect, cuts off diplomatic relations with Pakistan. Ambassadors are withdrawn. In effect, short of a military crisis, precipitate a diplomatic and other crisis (shows that actions are being taken to assuage the aggreived and angry Indian people. Also, sends out a message globally that Indian patience is not inexhaustible).

3) At the G-8 summit, extract the max. mileage by putting Pakistan squarely in the dock. Request an unequvocal declaration from G8 that Musharraf dismantle terrorist infrastructure camps etc. immediately. (A tangible action Pakistan must also take is to expel Dawood back to India). Additionally, GOI should place these conditions:

a) that India, from henceforth, will restore diplomatic relations ONLY when a democratically elected government in Pakistan is in place (that should be a charter clause in the SAARC in any case).

b) that the USA should reconsider arms sales to Pakistan while the military dictator is still in power. Once elections are held, a democratically elected leader is in place, the Pakistan army is back in barracks, only then arm sales may be considered.

These are the least short-term initiatives I would take if I were MMS/GOI.

07-16-2006, 01:41 PM

QUOTESimiliarly I have read a claim somewhere that even high ranking politicians
of Delhi hire the Bangladeshi illegal immigrants in their houses as they are cheap.

Sorry an error in haste.It must have been police not politicians.

07-16-2006, 06:57 PM

QUOTE(Reggie @ Jul 16 2006, 11:16 AM)1) Issue a declaration that the Government of India holds Pakistan and Musharraf responsible for the recent train blasts and terrorism in Mumbai.


I agree. But i think the devil is in the details. They must present strong and hard evidence for this and then bring this up with the Indian people first. make sure that no(or atlesdt minimum) indians have doubt about role of paksitan in the attack. Make sure that their are no cracks in the armor. engage the pro pakistanis, leftists and communist in India to agree with the govenment first. Make extra effor in letting people know that they have made extra effort in getting every one on board.

QUOTE(Reggie @ Jul 16 2006, 11:16 AM)2) That the GOI, with immediate effect, cuts off diplomatic relations with Pakistan.Â Ambassadors are withdrawn.Â In effect, short of a military crisis, precipitate a diplomatic and other crisis (shows that actions are being taken to assuage the aggreived and angry Indian people. Also, sends out a message globally that Indian patience is not inexhaustible).


This could be a little exessive. this should be taken as the last step after following all the other suggesions you made.

QUOTE(Reggie @ Jul 16 2006, 11:16 AM)3) At the G-8 summit, extract the max. mileage by putting Pakistan squarely in the dock. Request an unequvocal declaration from G8 that Musharraf dismantle terrorist infrastructure camps etc. immediately.Â (A tangible action Pakistan must also take is to expel Dawood back to India).Â Additionally, GOI should place these conditions:

a) that India, from henceforth, will restore diplomatic relations ONLY when a democratically elected government in Pakistan is in place (that should be a charter clause in the SAARC in any case).Â

b) that the USA should reconsider arms sales to Pakistan while the military dictator is still in power. Once elections are held, a democratically elected leader is in place, the Pakistan army is back in barracks, only then arm sales may be considered.

These are the least short-term initiatives I would take if I were MMS/GOI.
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Very true. G8 is a good place to maximum milage especially getting support from israel in current situaltion. " World cannot be safe untill all govenments stop supporting terrorists organization".
Quite right about the arms deal too. good opertunity to take up US on its policy of figting against terrorisim.

Well put points Reggie. Kudos.

Husky · (This post was last modified: 07-16-2006, 07:21 PM by Husky.)

Post 47 (bhushan):
With one exception, I agree with all of your post 47 and especially the succinctly statedQUOTEThe indifference is because of ignorance of the ideologies of the enemies, and a product of regarding terrorism as an isolated event, as opposed to an act of war in a well planned strategy of conquest.The exception is here:QUOTEmyths (Sarva Dharma Sambhav)That is not a myth and it holds, because Christianity and Islam are adharma. Therefore, that Hindu statement does not refer to nor include them at all. It's time that Hindus (and all those in the world uninfected by ChristoIslam) realised to stop extending tolerance and respect to these two intolerant terrorist religions. It's strange how much respect the avg Hindu has for Islam and Christianity (the article pasted in post 49 is a case in point), without actually knowing anything much about these religions. It's sad how little Hindus know about the many natural religions that do deserve the respect that Hindus have been ignorantly wasting on the two mass-murdering unnatural religions.

bhushan, that 2nd statement of Aurobindo in your post explains why opposing Jihad with Gandhian non-violence will cause greate harm. Thanks, I'll use that with people I know.

Post 38:QUOTE<div class='quotetop'>QUOTEAnd NE terrorists are Christian....[discussion on Assamese]... You are free to believe whatever you want.</div>I was talking about the militants in Nagaland, Tripura and several other NE provinces and places. These are alll Christian terrorists. If your Christian-controlled mind doesn't want to believe that (I think you were the one that was repeatedly referring to missionary pages in another thread at IF), that's fine. I can't care less.
The facts are very different and belief doesn't hinge on facts. As even my friends here are aware, they (raised Christian, but irreligious) tell me not to give money to missionary charities like World Vision and why I should stop respecting Christianity and its pretended charity. Among the many reasons they gave were that the Baptist Church the world over funds militancy in Nigeria and other African countries. (One of my friends was a former Southern Baptist who moved here from the US. He left the Church and the religion when his priest/reverend whatever asked the congregation to donate money to fund war in Nigeria to induce more converts; all of the god-fearing members donated - Christian Love right there - except him and he walked out that day.) And that Presbyterian Churches (and I think Methodist too) funded Christian terrorism against Buddhism in S Korea. To appeal to my particular case, seeing that I was Indian, they delved deeply into how evangelical Churches pay for the militancy in North-East India. One of them even managed to pronounce Tripura correctly - I was impressed. Some people in other countries evidently don't have their eyes closed, the way Indian Christians are made to by their western Christian masters.
As for Assam, it has a different problem entirely. After the war (genocide) that West Pakistan made on East Pakistan, raping and then murdering 3 million of whom 80% were Hindu Bangladeshis, 12 million refugees (once again 80% Hindus) flooded into India. The NE received the most and like all sudden population influxes, that has been causing problems, not only in Nagaland etc but also in Assam. Especially as more refugees continue to come into Assam today besides the numerous sneaky little Islamaniacs (<- thanks bhushan).

07-16-2006, 07:15 PM

QUOTE(k.ram @ Jul 16 2006, 03:24 AM) I will sit back with popcorn, hoard on daal and surf, and see all the irrational and illogical excuses hindus (intellectual twits that they are) will make for terrorists, as it is the only thing they know.
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It certainly is a big challenge in itself to keep going in the face of adversities. But just because you don't see land doesnât mean you stop rowing.
The situation looks much disheartening from within India then from outside. We must not distract ourselves righ now by looking at the humongous goal of eradicating terrorism completely. We must break our task down in smaller objectives and start making small gains which will add up to our eventual goal.

Of now Indians inside India should focus simply on staying afloat (avoid being disheartened, frustrated or angry towards each other (pro-pakis, anti Indians not included) and NRIs should work hard in finding and working towards the solutions. (task 1- work towards increasing self confidence in Indian the community)

07-16-2006, 07:53 PM

Posts 59 & 62:QUOTEThe decision of the West Bengal police not to reveal the biggest-ever seizure of explosives in the State just a week before the Mumbai blasts took place has raised eyebrows in administrative and political circles here.QUOTECentral intelligence agencies are believed to have provided information to Mumbai police on June 27 and 28 that the metropolis would be targeted by the Lashker-e-Toiba militants with the help of Students' Islamic Movement of Indian (SIMI) activists.It seems too much to be mere apathy or incompetence. Are there traitors so high up that the police won't react to such crucial intelligence?

Post 51:QUOTEour homegrown commie terrorist's blogaganda.
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THey must have removed the article, wonder why.. Too early to start their campaign?Exactly. They'll wait until everything quietens down and then begin the usual disinformation campaign, like they did with Godhra. In a way, if Mughalistan ever did happen, I'd love to watch how Sharia affects the p-secs, the commies and those other chums of India's Islamists: India's Christos.

Post 54:QUOTELashker-e-Qahar claims responsibility for Mumbai blastsAfter Varanasi the Australian news also stated that, according to a Kashmiri paper, this new outfit claimed responsibility for the Varanasi attack.
QUOTEWell I did my own investigation/google about jack_smith55@yahoo.com Obviously your much higher level of investigative skills have made you over-qualified to work for the Indian media. They require the avg p-sec IQ.
QUOTELashker-e-Qahar, or Army of the Subduer, takes its name from Asma-ul-Husna, or 99 beautiful names of Allah.IQ might also explain why muslims in India felt the need to ask why Kashmiri terrorists are called Islamic (post 31).

07-16-2006, 08:06 PM

PM rules out bringing back POTA to deal with terrorQUOTEManmohan Singh said terrorist acts had taken place even when POTA was in place. The law was repealed in one of the first acts of the Manmohan Singh government in 2004 because of widespread criticism from civil liberties and human rights groups of its misuse and it being used to target minorities.

Those who are dead have no rights, only terrorist have all rights and all liberties. Moron spineless PM should provide his home to them.

07-16-2006, 08:08 PM

Digvijay for probe into Vajpayee's Dawood "links"
Here these morons want to waste tax-payer money and law-enforcement resources.

07-16-2006, 08:29 PM

fmr. Speaker Newt Gingrich said today in "Meet the press", that this is begining of World War -3
Attack on Israel, Blast in Mumbai, situation in Iraq and Afghanistan.

07-16-2006, 09:14 PM

Kalam to lead Mumbai in paying homage to blast victimsQUOTEMumbai: President A P J Abdul Kalam will lead the city in observing silence for two minutes on July 18 as a mark of respect to victims of the serial bomb blasts that rocked the metropolis on Tuesday, officials said.

The silence will be observed from 6.25 pm and Kalam will lead the citizens in paying homage to the 200 people who died in the terror attacks, Chief Protocol Official Shilendra Bijur told PTI.

At 6.24 pm, there will be a siren when the entire city will come to a halt. There will be another siren at 6.27 pm to end the silence, he said.

This is the first time that Maharashtra has taken a decision to pay respect to the victims of a terror attack. Otherwise, the siren is blown in the city only on January 30 to pay homage to the father of the nation, Mahatma Gandhi.

Kalam, who will be on a two-day visit to the city, will also place a wreath at Mahim railway station, Bijur said.

07-17-2006, 01:56 AM

QUOTEhttp://indianexpress.com/iep/sunday/story/8621.html

Investigators suspect that a single unit of terrorists could have planted all the bombs at Churchgate itself, had 27 minutes to escape. 

MUMBAI, JULY 15:Searching for clues, as investigators throw a nationwide dragnet over the usual suspects, one question thatâs intriguing them is right there at the Churchgate Station from where the seven trains left on Terrible Tuesday: why were the explosives planted in the fourth coach of each train?

In searching for answers to this, investigators are veering towards the explanation that a single unit of terrorists may have planted all the bombs at Churchgate itself and, in a meticulously planned operation, escaped even before the first blast.

Consider the following facts: 

â¢ The fourth coach from the front in Mumbai trains always happens to be a First Class coach. But then there are three First Class coaches in a 12-coach train and two in a nine-coach train. Of the seven trains that were hit that day, four had dozen coaches each, the remaining three had nine each. So why did they choose the fourth coach in each train?

â¢ The Sunday Express found that there is a municipality subway on the northern side of the station which is closest to the fourth coach of a train standing on any of the four platforms. All the seven trains on 7/11 left Churchgate, from these platforms, between 5.19 pm and 5.57 pm.

â¢ This subway was unguarded on Tuesday. Today, there were guards but no one was frisking any passengers, there was no metal detector. The subway doesnât see heavy traffic since most commuters use the main gate for entry and exit.

â¢ Moving from one platform to the next through stationary trains is an easy task given the proximity between trains and platforms.

â¢ A close look at the railway timetable shows that the seven trains left at 5.19 pm (Virar, VR 607), 5.36 pm (Borivali, BO 619), 5.37 pm (Virar, VR 621), 5.48 pm (Borivali, BO 635), 5.50 pm (Borivali, BO 637), 5.54 pm (Borivali, 641), and the last one at 5.57 pm (Virar, VR 645).

â¢ The first blast occurred at Khar at 6.24 pm. In other words, the terrorists had at least 27 minutes to escape before the first blast. And given that the subway was barely steps away and unguarded, this wouldnât have been difficult.

07-17-2006, 03:12 AM

QUOTEJihad Indica 
The Pioneer Edit Desk
No Maginot Line to this global war ---- As the dust settles on Mumbai's horror, it is time for India to consider what the devastating bomb blasts of July 11 mean. The UPA Government has reacted almost predictably and blamed Pakistan. Yet this accusation has been tentative. It began with the Home Minister insisting the "peace process" would not be affected, swerved to the right when Prime Minister Manmohan Singh accused Islamabad of complicity and, as the week ended, led to Ms Brinda Karat attempting to sound hawkish. The CPI(M) MP, along with other ruling alliance back-benchers, announced she was opting out of a conference in Pakistan. In between the Foreign Secretary said no final decision had been taken on cancelling upcoming talks with his Pakistani counterpart, discounting his own Government's briefings to the contrary. Keen to establish a "foreign hand" - a useful bogeyman to deflect attention from domestic troubles - intelligence agencies have spoken of a multi-national conspiracy stretching from safe-houses in Kathmandu to Lashkar-e-Tayyeba accomplices in Pakistan, Afghanistan and Bangladesh. Indeed the terrorists - who have conveniently "fled the country" - are everywhere except in India. This is not just bizarre, it is a downright travesty. Terror cannot be fought by selectively ignoring obvious messages. The radical Students Islamic Movement of India (SIMI) may be very active in Uttar Pradesh and may be a catchment area for the Samajwadi Party, but that is not the be all and end all of jihad in India. Neither are the Gujarat riots of 2002 the sole provocation, without the occurrence of which India would have been a peaceful, bomb-free paradise. The truth is, as always, complex business, and the UPA Government cannot simply erase unpalatable segments.

There are lessons India has to draw from Mumbai, 7/11. First, the current round of terrorism may be Pakistan facilitated but it is difficult to wish away evidence of homegrown jihadi cells. If Uttar Pradesh is a hotbed of incendiary Islamism, Aurangabad and Hyderabad have become incubators of terrorism. The State Governments - Maharashtra and Andhra Pradesh are both ruled by the Congress - cannot escape that chilling realisation. All terrorists operating in India are not imported; some of them were born and raised in this country. Second, the "cause" is no longer limited to Jammu & Kashmir or the immediate past religious flashpoint - Ayodhya in 1992-93, or Gujarat a decade later, for instance. Those who attacked Mumbai saw themselves as part of a global war against the 'infidel' armies of the Christian West, of Jewish Israel and of Hindu India. Even if every single case in Gujarat ends in a conviction, these crazed, neo-Caliphate urges will remain. The prize they seek is no longer an ethnically-cleansed Valley; it is Nizam-e-Mustafa in India. Third, India can no longer pretend it is an innocent bystander in the global war against terror, with no stakes in, for example, the conflict in West Asia, whether the renewed assault on Israel or the Islamist 'insurgency' in Iraq. Take the possibility of the US forces quitting Iraq and leaving it, to borrow from the Mahatma, to god and anarchy. Its upshot will not just imperil New York; it will dramatically heighten threat perceptions in Mumbai, too. India cannot hide itself behind a self-drawn Maginot Line, not after the carnage in Mumbai.


First Godhra took place. Gujarat riots came later.
Ethnic cleansing in J&K started in 1989 and Babri happened in 1993.
Only "moron secular" and communist and ofcourse Islamist in India see differently.
Only mantra for them " LIE DENY LIE DENY"!!!!!!!!!!

07-17-2006, 04:44 AM

Post 68,

QUOTEThat is not a myth and it holds, because Christianity and Islam are adharma. Therefore, that Hindu statement does not refer to nor include them at all. It's time that Hindus (and all those in the world uninfected by ChristoIslam) realised to stop extending tolerance and respect to these two intolerant terrorist religions. It's strange how much respect the avg Hindu has for Islam and Christianity (the article pasted in post 49 is a case in point), without actually knowing anything much about these religions. It's sad how little Hindus know about the many natural religions that do deserve the respect that Hindus have been ignorantly wasting on the two mass-murdering unnatural religions.

Husky,

The slogan Sarva Dharma Sambhava was coined by Gandhi, and applied to Chiristianity and Islam. Dharma here was not meant as a moral code or right conduct, but a belief system. Among Hindus this slogan has only put a mental block against knowledge, while it is used as a weapon by their enemies to silence them. Hinduism has always tolerated various point of view, but never gave equal respect to all of them, even when those views had originated in India. Here are Sita Ram Goel's obesrvations on this modern myth:

"Sarva-dharma-samabhAva was unknown to mainstream Hinduism before Mahatma Gandhi presented it as one of the sixteen mahAvratas (great vows). in his booklet, MaNgala-PrabhAta. It is true that mainstream Hinduism had always stood for tolerance towards all metaphysical points of view and ways of worship except that which led to AtatAyI-AchAra (gangsterism). But that tolerance had never become samabhAva, equal respect for all points of view. The acharyas of the different schools of Sanatana Dharma were all along engaged in debates over differences in various approaches to Sreyas (the Great Good). No Buddhist acharya is known to have equated the way of the Buddha to that of the Gita and vice versa, for instance."

"In modern times also, movements like the Brahmo Samaj which recognised Islam and Christianity as dharmas had failed to influence mainstream Hinduism, while Maharshi Dayananda and Swami Vivekananda who upheld the Veda and despised the Bible and the Quran, had had a great impact. This being the hoary Hindu tradition, Mahatma Gandhiâs recognition of Christianity and Islam not only as dharmas but also as equal to Sanatana Dharma was fraught with great mischief. For, unlike the earlier Hindu advocates of Islam and Christianity as dharmas, Mahatma Gandhi made himself known and became known as belonging to mainstream Hinduism.

It remains a mystery as to how Mahatma Gandhi came to regard Christianity and Islam as ways of spiritual seeking rather than as terrorist and totalitarian ideologies of predatory imperialism."

"Mahatma Gandhiâs recognition of these ideologies as dharmas as good as Sanatana Dharma leads only to two conclusions. Either his own perception of Sanatana Dharma was not as deep as it sounds. Or the politician in him prevailed over his spiritual perception and he said what he did from the platform of Sarva-dharma-samabhAva in the hope of winning over Christians and Muslims to the nationalist camp. In any case, the utter failure of his attempt to achieve this goal proves that the attempt was foolhardy. He failed to win any significant section of Christians or Muslims either to the nationalist cause or to the camp of Sarva-dharma-samabhAva. But in the process of popularising this slogan, he diluted the definition of dharma beyond recognition, and placed Hindu society permanently on the defensive. No other slogan has proved more mischievous for Hinduism than the mindless slogan of Sarva-dharma-samabhAva vis-a-vis Christianity and Islam."

Sarva Dharma Sambhava or any variation of it (Sarva Panth Samadar) need to go.

07-17-2006, 04:48 AM

QUOTEON BOARD AIR INDIA ONE: Minutes after Air India One, the special aircraft carrying the PM to St Petersburg entered the airspace of Uzbekistan, National Security Adviser M K Narayanan handed over to Manmohan Singh a one-page note. It contained the confessions by two Pakistani fidayeen who have blasted a huge hole in Pakistan's protestations of innocence about ISI's involvement in last week's terror assault on Mumbai. This will give a major boost to the PM's plan to lobby world leaders for coming down hard on the sponsors of terrorism.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/artic...762193.cms

Now that MMS/GOI has arrived at a "proof," it MUST cut-off diplomatic relations with Pakistan. Kick out Paki Ambassador, recall Indian Ambassador, stop all the "sadhbhavana" bus-train-road services to and from Pakistan. Telll them India refuses to conduct business with Pakistan until the time a civilian Pakistani governmet is elected in Pakistan and the Pakistani army and ISI have gone back to their barracks. This is the MINIMUM Indians should demand from their elected leaders.

(Read my previous posts on the steps India should take following the Mumbai terrorism blasts.)

07-17-2006, 05:41 AM

QUOTEThis is the MINIMUM Indians should demand from their elected leaders
Donât expect even minimum from appointed PM.
They had not stopped back door diplomacy.

They should stop water to Pakistan. This should be first step.
But blaming Pakistan only and ignoring in-house jihadi is a biggest blunder.
We should not trust news from HT or TOI. Wait for couple of more days. Difficult to identify which news are paid.
At this moment GOI want to divert attention to external party, so that they can keep appeasing Jihadis in India for votes.

07-17-2006, 07:44 AM

Where is Arindam Bannerjee now-when we need his views the most ?

His thoughts about the Neelam Valley and water supply to Pak need re-iteration now.

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