Radicalisation Of Indian Muslims

09-19-2006, 12:09 AM

Fatwa racket: 2 UP clerics suspendedQUOTEIslamic seminary Darul Uloom Deoband suspended Mufti Habibur Rehman and Meerut's Shahi Jama Masjid removed Maulana Imran following reports that they were seen accepting the money in return for issuing fatwas.

Darul Uloom Vice-Chancellor Marghoobur Rehman said a four-member panel would investigate the matter and if found guilty Habibur would be dismissed. "It may be a conspiracy to malign the image of this world-famous seminary," he said. <!--emo& Big Grin

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Senior clerics of the seminary asked the community to seek fatwas from reliable institutions to ensure its legality.

Meerut Naib Qazi Jenur Rashideen told reporters that Imran had been removed from the mosque's clergy and also asked to leave Nakkarchian-Gudri Bazar locality,

In a late night meeting attended by ulemas and qazis, the mosque management decided to soon set up a body, "Darul Ifta", to monitor the declaring of fatwas, he said.

Is India a secular country or Islamic state ?

09-20-2006, 01:22 AM

QUOTEnews.independent.co.uk/wo...603861.ece
India gripped by tale of Muslim girl who ran off to wed Hindu
By Martin Hickman and Shekhar Bhatia
Published: 16 September 2006
Like an Indian version of Romeo and Juliet, the love-struck teenagers met across a divide and planned to marry secretly against the wishes of their parents.

Where the story of Subia Gaur and Ashwani Gupta differs from Shakespeare's play is that the wedding in India was attended by one thousand impromptu well-wishers and broadcast live on television news.

And it took place because of an invention that could scarcely have been imagined in 1597: the internet.

Ms Gaur, 18, met her husband-to-be through an internet chatroom two years ago while a schoolgirl in London. The pair spent hours e-mailing each other in a mixture of English and Hindi and friendship blossomed into romance.

They finally met face-to-face in April when Ms Gaur travelled to India to visit her grandparents in Mumbai. Mr Gupta, a trainee financial analyst, travelled 700 miles by train from Delhi to see her. But there was a problem: just as in the case of the Montagues and the Capulets, the families were divided, not by a feud but by religion.

When Ms Gaur's Muslim parents learned that she was conducting a secret affair with a Hindu, they put pressure on her to end the relationship. Instead they wanted her to marry a Muslim in an arranged marriage once she had finished her studies.

Undeterred, the A-level student secretly flew to Delhi, pursued the next day by her mother.

Amid talk of death threats and police protection, the young couple spent the next month in hiding before their wedding on Monday, which generated an outpouring of public support.

For Ms Gaur, the happiness of the occasion was tarnished by the realisation of what she had left behind in Plaistow, Newham. Explaining her flight from unglamorous east London to India's bustling capital, she said: "I knew they would never accept Ashwani so I decided to go to India. We thought if we got married they wouldn't be able to take me back. I haven't had any contact with my friends or my younger brother and sister. It's been very stressful..."

His family have accepted the young couple despite the religious differences and Ms Gaur says she will not become a Hindu.

In Newham, her father grieves for the daughter he has lost to another family 5,000 miles away, but scotches any talk of retribution.

Mr Gaur, a shop manager, said he had suffered a mild heart attack last week and was "suffering more than you can imagine". But he dismissed remarks from a police chief in Delhi that some of Ms Gaur's relatives had tried to take her away.

"She is part of my body, my first-born child, and it is madness to say that we could harm her in any way," Mr Gaur said. "I believe she has been brainwashed - she doesn't understand what she has done.

"She is a Muslim above all and she has married a Hindu and that is the most shocking thing about this, not that she has lied to us and married against our wishes. We knew nothing about this man until April, when he flew from his home to Bombay."

Mr Gaur claimed that his unwanted son-in-law had only married his daughter to obtain a British passport but would welcome them both to London if he converted to Islam.

Newspapers and television in India have devoted considerable space to the story, with some applauding the couple and others complaining the girl had upset her parents.

Ms Gaur said: "I knew the first time I met Ashwani in person that he was the one I was going to marry. Religion doesn't matter.

"I never wanted the attention that I've received. But if there is someone in my position, I hope my story gives them the courage to follow their heart."

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British Muslim girl Subia Gaur, second left, and Indian Hindu boy Ashwini Gupta, right, who fell in love over the internet, get married at Ghaziabad, a suburb of New Delhi, Monday, Sept. 11, 2006. The marriage was conducted under heavy police security since the desire of the couple to get married was violently opposed by Subia's family. (AP Photo)

09-21-2006, 01:31 AM

QUOTEJinnah remains their idol 
Pioneer.com
KR Phanda
In his article, "Jinnah right on Vande Mataram" (September 13), Mr Obaidur Rahman Nadwi quotes Mohammed Ali Jinnah saying that he had objected to the singing of Vande Mataram by Muslims as it was against their religious tenet. He is right and so are other Muslim leaders. But Jinnah was also right when he proposed the exchange of population between India and Pakistan as an integral part of Partition. Jinnah, along with seven other Muslim League leaders, had argued that because of their religion, tradition and history, Muslims could not live peacefully with Hindus in a Dar-ul Harb.

Former Vice Chancellor of Jamia Millia Islamia M Mujeeb wrote in his book, Islamic Influence on Indian Society: "At a party given in the UN General Assembly session in 1949, I had the pleasure of being placed next to the Turkish representative. He looked at my name card and saw that I was a Muslim and at once asked, 'Are there still any Muslims in India?' It is believed that the sub-continent had been divided between Hindus and Muslims with all Muslims on the one side and all Hindus on the other."

From Mr Nadwi's comments, it would seem the fault lies with Muslims who decided to stay in India despite a separate homeland having been created for them. If they agree with Jinnah not to sing Vande Mataram, why did they not migrate to Pakistan where they would have been governed according to the Sharia'h? Having stayed on in India, they are expected to abide by the laws and culture of the land.

It is not good to cry every time there is an effort to integrate Muslims with the mainstream. Muslims want to be treated like a minority, whereas Pakistan and other Islamic countries never take care of their minorities. According to international laws, Muslims cannot claim the right to being called a minority, especially after having got a separate homeland.

Have Indian Muslims ever spared a thought for the Hindus who stayed back in Pakistan? It is well known that both Pakistan and Bangladesh have been cleansed of their Hindus. Muslims are advised to seek safeguards and rights keeping in mind the special concessions that have already been provided to them.

09-25-2006, 11:56 PM

QUOTEDump Cong, ally with Left: Jamat-e-Islami 
Pioneer.com
Omer Farooq | Hyderabad
Has the Congress party's support base among Muslims started eroding in a significant way? Yes, if one goes by the hints dropped by a leading Muslim organisation, Jamat-e-Islami that it was in favour of a broader understanding between Muslims and the Left parties. A top leader of the Jamat said the Congress-led Government at the Centre had failed in ensuring justice and security to the Muslim minority.

The UPA Government came under sharp attack at a seminar on 'Terrorism: Causes and cure' organised by Jamat in Hyderabad. Referring to Sonia Gandhi's admission that Muslims were subjected to harassments at the hands of police in Maharashtra, All India Secretary of Jamat Mujtaba Farooq wondered what she was doing to stop such harassment and ensure justice to the Muslim minority.

"The State is under the rule of Congress-led Government and not any other party," he said. He rued that the Congress Governments in different States had failed in checking the police atrocities and bias against Muslims.

He also referred to the incident of the Jamiatul Ulema's member of Rajya Mahmood Madni's arrest and his brother, a Minister in Uttaranchal's Congress Government getting beaten up by the police and said the sense of insecurity among Muslims had heightened in the country.

Referring to the blast in Malegaon, in which 40 persons were killed, he said the investigations should have focused on the links between this blast and the previous attacks on mosques in Prabhani and Jalna and a blast in Nanded but the Government and the media have completely ignored it.

"When the Minority Affairs Minister AR Antulay tried to raise the issue of blast in Bajrang Dal activist's house, he was snubbed by the Prime Minister," Mujtaba Farooq said, quoting media reports.

Expressing his disappointment with the Congress on various issues, Mujtaba Farooq said there was a need for Muslims coming closer to the Left in the country. "Jamat's support to the Left Front in Kerala elections has already triggered off a debate in the country," he said.

He quoted a veteran communist leader as saying that only Left could fight the fascist forces in the country and only Muslims could face the US imperialism at the international level. "The Congress has always adopted a dual policy towards Muslims," he said.

09-26-2006, 10:15 AM

QUOTEwww.ibnlive.com/news/urban-muslim-youth-out-to-junk-faith/22434-3.html
 Urban Muslim youth out to junk faith 
IANS
Posted Monday , September 25, 2006 at 15:55
SHAKING FAITH? Muslims, weary of being targeted or racially profiled, are increasingly taking to spirituality.

New Delhi: Are Muslim youth in urban India junking their religion for fear of being branded as terrorists?

While many stressed out Muslims, weary of being targeted or racially profiled, are increasingly taking to spirituality and seeking solace in religion, educated youth are today consciously or unconsciously distancing from Islam to showcase their secular credentials.

Rather than asserting their identities and removing the many misconceptions about the religion, they are dissociating themselves from anything and everything Islamic.

They are also increasingly taking to "social drinking" to gain acceptance among peer groups and often proudly proclaim that "they are not the conservative types who offer prayers or fast".

In their hearts they know there is no harm in offering prayers or keeping fasts, but the fear of being clubbed with the "skullcap or the scarf types" is equally genuine.

As Gulnar Mirza, a media professional in Bangalore, said,"To avoid the tag of 'Muslim', they are trying to be ultra modern and cosmopolitan, as if this will hide their Islamic roots, which is like some uncomfortable baggage."

Aiman Mustafa, a postgraduate student at the Delhi School of Economics, says there is tension between one's original identity and the identity one may feel forced to adapt as a result of socialisation.

He adds,"A manager in a cell phone company once told me, 'there has to be flexibility in one's approach. Though drinking is not allowed in Islam, I can't be expected to survive as a social outcast'.

"Forced by the Islamophobic onslaught, young well-to-do believers are modifying their practices by keeping and not questioning the core belief."

A marketing manager in a Delhi firm, Mohammed Shoaib, tries to project a neutral identity in a social situation.
"It is best to be neutral. The fear of being targeted if you wear a skullcap and beard is high. And if you are targeted, no one can save you or your family," Shoaib says.

Most educated Muslims are doing the balancing act - practising Islamic tenets and at the same time appearing attuned to the demands of modern times.

Mehre Alam, special correspondent with Oman Economic Review, said,"It is a tragedy that while the youth of other religions can go on practising their faith without any fear of getting branded as fundamentalists, things become so different when a Muslim youth does the same."

Shambhu · (This post was last modified: 09-26-2006, 10:49 AM by Shambhu.)

QUOTE(Mudy @ Sep 26 2006, 10:15 AM)<div class='quotetop'>QUOTEwww.ibnlive.com/news/urban-muslim-youth-out-to-junk-faith/22434-3.html
 Urban Muslim youth out to junk faith 
IANS
Posted Monday , September 25, 2006 at 15:55
SHAKING FAITH? Muslims, weary of being targeted or racially profiled, are increasingly taking to spirituality.

Mehre Alam, special correspondent with Oman Economic Review, said,"It is a tragedy that while the youth of other religions can go on practising their faith without any fear of getting branded as fundamentalists, things become so different when a Muslim youth does the same."

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Abey manhoos, aql ke dushman Alam mian, zara socho:

Do these "other faiths" go on kafir-killing sprees? Do they instigate riots? Do they demand special treatment and 'justice' for every little perceived 'offence'?

Do laser beams shoot out of Hindu ladies' bindis and blind passerbys? Or do you think Hindus pray to Krishna to eliminate all Muslims on Janmashtami?

Instead of facing reality, this idiot whines. If you are so frustrated, go change your religion. But no. Still wants to glorify the mass murderers....that is what it amounts to for us "kaffirs"..even though you did not directly sanction the Hindu-killing, the fact that you keep repeating the murderer's name 5 times a day does not amuse us at all....Histort is history, and it can't be wished away.

09-26-2006, 11:35 AM

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Abey manhoos, aql ke dushman Alam mian, zara socho:

Do these "other faiths" go on kafir-killing sprees? Do they instigate riots? Do they demand special treatment and 'justice' for every little perceived 'offence'?

Do laser beams shoot out of Hindu ladies' bindis and blind passerbys? Or do you think Hindus pray to Krishna to eliminate all Muslims on Janmashtami?

Instead of facing reality, this idiot whines. If you are so frustrated, go change your religion. But no. Still wants to glorify the mass murderers....

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Superb, man! <img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/clap.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='clap.gif' />
I am a little suspicious about this IBMLive site, though. It is not merely ultra-secular, but, in this particular article, pro-fundamentalist Islam.

Would these same people be so sanguine if Hindus were to begin wearing Sikha again? I really wonder.

09-27-2006, 01:08 AM

QUOTEIslamist NDF masterminded Marad: Panel 
Pioneer News Service | Kochi
'Two IUML leaders had prior knowledge' 
The judicial commission which probed the Marad killings in Kerala has indicted the radical Islamist organisation, National Development Front (NDF), and two leaders of Indian Union Muslim League, Congress' ally in the Opposition UDF, for planning and executing the gruesome violence on the night of May 2, 2003 in which nine persons were killed.

The Justice Thomas P Joseph Commission's report will be tabled in the Kerala Assembly on Wednesday. Salient features of the report have been selectively leaked to some mediapersons a day before its submission.

The report says that activists of the NDF were involved in planning and carrying out the massacre. It also adds that a senior politician belonging to the Muslim League had prior knowledge of the conspiracy and that another local League leader was involved in or was aware of the plan for the killings that shook the coastal village of Marad, according to sources.

The fishing village of Marad, off Kozhikode, first hit the headlines on January 3, 2002 when Hindus and Muslims clashed after a trivial altercation during celebrations on New Year's eve. Two Hindus and three Muslims were found dead the morning after. A year-and-a-half later, a large mob chopped and hacked eight Hindu fishermen to death on the beach on May 2, 2003. One assailant was hacked to death by mistake by his compatriots during the carnage.

The commission's report is believed to have revealed that Muslim League State committee member and former MLA MC Mayin Haji, who is also chairman of the Calicut Development Authority, and IUML's local leader PP Moideen Koya had prior knowledge of the conspiracy. It says that an incident like this could not have taken place without the knowledge of local leaders of the IUML.

Mayin Haji, asked for his comments, has brushed off the reported charges against him.

The report, say sources, points to a larger conspiracy than what the Crime Branch, which probed the incident earlier, had found. The Crime Branch had failed to identify the conspirators or the source of the arms used by the attackers.

The commission is believed to have rejected the allegation that the Marad killings followed an attack on IUML activists. But it is said to have held certain local IUML, CPI(M) and BJP leaders responsible for politicising the first Marad killings in 2002 in which five persons died. The report, say sources, suggests that this politicising led to the May 2003 violence. Meanwhile, Kerala Home Minister Kodiyeri Balakrishnan, reacting to the media leaks, said the report is much more comprehensive than what has been told to newspersons, suggesting the indictment could be harsher and far-reaching. Leaders of the UDF have charged the Government with leaking the report to the media before tabling it in the Assembly.

The State Cabinet, however, has not allowed this technicality to stand in the way of recommending action against a host of officers, believed to have been indicted by the commission. According to sources, the Cabinet has approved action against former Kozhikode district collector TO Sooraj, former city police commissioner Sanjeev Kumar Padjoshi, assistant commissioner of police (Kozhikode) Abdul Rahim and Mahesh Kumar Singhla, former IG (Crime Branch), whom the commission is said to have held guilty of not taking effective pre-emptive action even though they had information about it.

The commission is said to have observed that Intelligence reports on the possibility of violence at Marad had been provided to Sooraj and Padjoshi much before the communal violence. The report, say sources, has also criticised then chief minister AK Antony, who held the Home portfolio.

The commission has taken a serious note of the deposition of former DGP KJ Joseph that Abdul Rahim "failed to investigate and take prompt action in Marad." The DGP deposed that Rahim not only "hid the truth from his superior officers" but also tried to establish that the key accused in the massacre on the beach on May 2, 2003 were "not guilty".

The report talks about the presence of extremist outfits with foreign links operating in Kerala, and slams both UDF and LDF Governments for their failure to take any effective action against these elements, being "interested only in vote-banks". The commission has recommended that a Central agency like the CBI should be asked to find out the "larger conspiracy".

The report of the commission, set up in 2004 and headed by District Judge Thomas P Joseph, has been kept under wraps by the LDF Government which received it two months ago.

10-05-2006, 07:04 AM

QUOTEBones threw at Durga idol 
10/4/2006 10:54:24 AMÂ HK
Chhindwara(Madhya Pradesh): Fanatic Muslims threw animal bones on Durga idol, when it was taking for immersion in the river as part of Durga Pooja yesterday here.

One Jain Temple was also under attack by the Muslims in the area.Clashes have been reported from different areas following desecratery attempt on Durga idol and attack on the Jain Temple.

Curfew was imposed on Wednesday morning following violent clashes


QUOTEMuslims attacked pooja processions
10/4/2006 10:43:36 AMÂ H
Hyderabad: Muslims attacked Durga puja processions in here on Tuesday.The fanatic Muslims pelted stones from a Mosque in Bodhan ,Nizamabad.
BJP today called for protest strikes in the District against this attack on devotees. The organisers of Durga procession claimed that police failed to take any action against those who stoned the procession from inside the mosque.
Situation is still tense in the area.

Bharatvarsh · 10-05-2006, 07:25 AM

Peaceful Islam and persecuted Muslims in action:
QUOTECommunal clashes over puja processions in AP

Clashes between Hindu and Muslim groups broke out at two places in south and central India following quarrels over Durga Puja processions.

More than 50 people were injured in clashes between two communities at Bodhan town in Nizamabad district of Andhra Pradesh, about 150 km from Hyderabad. Fresh incidents of violence were reported on Wednesday in Bodhan during a general strike called by the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) to protest Tuesday's incidents.

The trouble in Bodhan began on Tuesday evening when a procession carrying an idol of Hindu Goddess Durga for immersion passed before a mosque where Muslims had gathered for their ritualistic 'iftar', or fast-breaking.

The Durga procession was allegedly stoned from inside after some devotees accompanying the procession reportedly began dancing to the drum beats thereby disturbing the prayers in the mosque.

Heavy stone throwing followed between the two groups and police fired several rounds in the air. Local Muslims alleged that police and the miscreants entered the mosque and beat up those present inside.

Dozens were injured in clashes when police fired several rounds in the air to disperse clashing groups.

Police have imposed prohibitory orders banning gathering of five or more people in communally sensitive Nizamabad. Police also arrested ten BJP activists for trying to stop trains.

Violence broke out in Nizamabad during a rally taken out by BJP, which was demanding action against the rioters in Bodhan. The protesters set afire four shops even as police used force to disperse them.

Police have described the situation as tense but under control. The organisers of Durga procession claimed that police failed to take any action against those who stoned the procession from inside the mosque.

Curfew was also clamped in the Chhindwara town of Madhya Pradesh on Wednesday following tension between Hindu and Muslim groups.

Trouble started when some someone allegedly threw a bone at a Goddess Durga idol in Diwanjipura locality of Chhindwar, while it was being taken for immersion on Tuesday.

"The procession passed off peacefully due to police presence, but later a dead animal was allegedly found near a mosque," Chhindwara Collector Arun Pandey said.

Angry Muslims spilled out on the streets shouting slogans. Another group reportedly started throwing stones at a Jain temple.

"No untoward incident was reported, but prohibitory orders under Section 144 (banning assembly of five or more people) have been clamped," Pandey said.

"Curfew was imposed on Wednesday morning when a fresh attempt to desecrate a religious place of worship started and all efforts to disperse the mob failed," the district collector said.

The situation in the town is said to be tense but under control.

Meanwhile, police imposed a ban on assembly of five or more persons in Betul district where some people threw stones at a Durga immersion procession.

According to Betul Superintendent of Police Jagat Singh, problem began on Monday evening when members of a Durga procession started dancing in front of a mosque. The incident was repeated in another area on Tuesday evening.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1...090002.htm

10-07-2006, 06:42 AM

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10-07-2006, 08:25 AM

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10-08-2006, 06:05 AM

Kill Advani, bomber told: 11/7 plannerâs admissionQUOTE Convent-educated Pune faith-healer Sohail Sheikh was asked by the chief of Pakistanâs Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) to tail and âbump offâ BJP leader LK Advani, the alleged mastermind of the July 11 serial bombings has said.

In his confession to the police, made available to HT, Faisal Sheikh said Sohail (38) had a one-on-one meeting with the ISI chief during his visit to that country in November 2002.

âThe ISI chief had asked Sohail to begin collecting intelligence on Advani and a few other top leaders, and other targets as well like the Indian armed forcesâs military installations, Bombay Stock Exchange and the Bhabha Atomic Research Centre,â said Faisal, 31-year-old âwestern India commanderâ of the Lashkar-e-Taiba.

The confession is recorded in Marathi and was given to Crime Branch Unit Twoâs chief Senior Inspector JK Hargude, whoÂ arrested the mastermind on July 27 and Sohail on July 25.

âThe first target the ISI chief gave him was to track Advaniâs travel schedules in Mumbai and western India,â Faisalâs confession said. âSohail was to then pass on the intelligence to him so that it could result in his (Advaniâs) elimination.Â

âThe ISI chief asked him (Sohail) to contact him and other intelligence officers regularly in order to supply intelligence gathered by him. For this purpose he was given an email address and also a few telephone numbers that would reach them via Dubai.â

Faisal said Sohail â whom he had sent to Pakistan on orders from Lashkar India commander Azam Cheema â became an ISI agent andÂ doubled up as a Lashkar operative. âHis one-month long training was with the ISI at their base, whose location Sohail could not figure out as he was taken there in a covered-up car,â said Faisal. âThe ISI took good care of him in terms of funding and direct access to their bossesâ.

Detailing the background to his own visit to Pakistan, Faisal said, âI met some SIMI (Students Islamic Movement of India) men at the Mecca mosque in Bycullaâs Mominpura area, and they incited me to sacrifice myself to the cause of the oppressed Muslim community. I wanted to join the jehad against Israel and so went to Pakistan in 2001. My Oman-based friend Asif Sheikh helped me to procure the visa.

âI went to Lahore to the office of Markaj-ul-dawa-wal-Irshad, the political wing of the Lashkar. Two Lashkar operatives â Abu Hurera and Abu Maas â then arranged my meeting with Cheema after grilling me for days.â


It means Indian muslims are joining global jihad. SIMI are recruiting Indian muslims during Haj.

10-08-2006, 12:32 PM

QUOTESIMI are recruiting Indian muslims during Haj.


And we pay for it by subsidies.

Bharatvarsh · 10-12-2006, 09:14 PM

QUOTEI have received words that according to a Hyderabad (India) local news magazine âMuslim Jagaranâ, Syed Yousaf Bin, the chief patron of the Ulema Board, in Hyderabad has issued a fatwa against my person. According to the sources he has decreed, âif anybody kills Dr. Ali Sina, he will be rewarded with Rs.1,000,000 (Indian rupees one million)â. Syed Yousaf Bin was the person behind the fatwa against Indian tennis sensation Sania Mirza.

Haseeb-ul-hasan Siddiqui, a leading cleric of the Muslim organization, the Sunni Ulema Board has also warned me and others behind faithfreedom.org of the consequences that we would have to face if we donât close our website. âAccording to Islam, the criticisers of Islam should be stoned to death,â he is reported to have said.

Safdar Nagori who was the secretary-general of the extremist Islamic outfit S.I.M.I (Students Islamic Movement of India) till the organization was proscribed under the Prevention of Terrorism Act, 2002 has been reported to have said, âDr. Ali Sina would be killed within a month, irrespective of wherever his hideout is.â Â

This is happening in the secular India. If anyone issues such blatant death threats and solicit murder in a real democracy, he would have to spend years in jail. India, the largest âdemocracyâ of the world is obviously a banana republic. Muslim goons roam around freely issuing fatwas and offering rewards for the assassination of the critics of Islam and no one dares to call them to account. Does the Indian Police expect me to go there and file suit against these criminals? Isn't issuing death threat a crime in India? Isn't it their duty to go after terrorists? How poorly this reflects on India and Indians who bend backwards to appease Muslims in their country! Now Muslims in India constitute only 12% of the population. But they are procreating faster than the Hindus. What they would demand when they become 20%? Another partition?

Now, this is happening in India, which is allegedly a democracy. What they would do to you in Pakistan, which prides itself to be a fanatical Islamic country and a dictatorship if you agree with anything I say?Â

http://www.faithfreedom.org/debates/Ghamidip6.htm

10-13-2006, 12:37 AM

QUOTENow Muslims in India constitute only 12% of the population. But they are procreating faster than the Hindus. What they would demand when they become 20%? Another partition?
Very much true.
Even when they are 12%, they can't live in peace as a civilized society. Even partiton will fail, as we have next door failed state full of terrorist.

10-15-2006, 06:45 AM

QUOTERadicalisation of Muslims in Britain is dreadful: Rushdie "Whereas the radicalization of Muslims in Britain is `dreadful`, Indian Muslims are a model which could be beneficially studied about how you show a minority community that their interests are best served by secular democracy, and not by religious communal politics.

Because if you play the game of religious communal politics, you will always be outnumbered. That was the argument Nehru and Gandhi took to India`s religious minorities, and it worked." Rushdie said Kashmir was a model of pluralist tolerance. "It mingled and mixed with Hinduism, with mullahs even compromising on their austere monotheism by directing their followers to worship at the shrines of the local Hindu saints.

As he put it: "To be Kashmiri was to value what was shared far more highly than what divided." Rushdie said "the Islam that now exists is not the Islam that I grew up with. The good guys are losing the battle within Islam."

10-16-2006, 08:03 AM

QUOTEwww.newindpress.com/NewsI...la&rLink=0
Slaughtering of pregnant cow, owner says he was âcheatedâSunday October 15 2006 11:00 IST
MALAPPURAM: The owner of âDaily Marketâ slaughterhouse, Anhikkadan Saifudeen, said here on Saturday that he was not aware of the fact that the cow slaughtered the other day was carrying.

Saifudeen said that he was cheated by the owner of the cow and that he was not informed that the cow was pregnant.

The slaughtering of a pregnant cow had caused widespread protest among the residents of Malappuram municipality and they had disposed the dead calf in public to protest against the action of the slaughterhouse.

The authorities had cancelled the licence of the stall near Hajiar Palli following public protest.

âWe bought the cow from Mylappuram. The doctor, Nasar from Makkaraparamb, who inspected the cow found nothing wrong in its health condition. He did not inform me about its pregnancy either. We slaughtered the cow as we were not aware that the cow was carrying. We had sold only a portion of the meat to the public and the rest was disposed,â he said.

âWe are paying seven rupees per animal to the municipality. But it is not taking enough steps to remove the wastes on a daily basis,â he added.
Authorities cancel the licence of the meat stall.

10-17-2006, 12:19 AM

QUOTEHindu boy beaten up for travelling with muslim girl--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Today there was an incident reported in deccan herald of a youth in bangalore who was tonsured and paraded through a muslim locality for travelling with a muslim girl in an autorickshaw.They were working together ina garment factory and had gone out with other friends to inspect some new clothes and they had split and the two had taken an autorickshaw.

They were stopped midway and he was taken to task for travelling with our girl.

"the youth was tied with ropes and paraded half-naked, his head half-shaven and body bruised and battered, through the bustling lanes of Sudhama Nagar near Lalbagh on Saturday evening."

Raj , the guy said , everyone had a go at him , and when he said the girl was like a sister to him , the muslim mob got even angrier and and got a knife and tonsured him.

The police have failed to register an FIR.

www.deccanherald.com/decc.../index.asp

10-20-2006, 12:26 AM

Sessions Court convicts Imrana's father-in-law

Congress, now you should dole something to Ulema. I am waiting !!!

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