Gotra and Pravara

09-05-2006, 01:13 AM

QUOTE(Bodhi @ Aug 31 2006, 07:47 PM)In above post of Aarya, there are multiple entries for Sage Sandilya.Â
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE8. Sandilya from Kausika and Gautama,
38. Sandilya from Kaisorya Kapya,

1. What is the difference? Are there two different sages with same name, or there is some other reason?
2. My gotra is Sandilya and would like to know if there is a way to find which of the above Sandilya would be mine?
3. Within Sandilya gotra, I have seen intermarriages based upon certain sub-classification. Does anyone know about how, why?
4. Sandilya Bhakti Sutram - of the famed "athAto bhakti jigyAsA" - is that a smriti/shruti? Which of the above Shandilya Rishis is this from? What could be the approximate time line of its origination?
5. Should one be right in being proud on one's gotra? I feel proud on coming from the lineage which developed Bhaki-sutras :-)
6. Are gotras somehow cross-metrixed with varnas. e.g. same gotra can be/can not be shared by different varnas?

By the way here is one URL for accessing Sandilya Bhakti Sutra: Sutra
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Dear Bodhi,

Teachers
"8. ShÃ¢NDilya from Kaushika and Gautama, 38. ShÃ¢NDilya from Kaishorya KÃ¢pya" is a reference to (unrelated) teachers learning one from the other(s) within one ShÃ¢khÃ¢, the VÃ¢jasaneya or Shukla Yajurveda.
They start from the latest teacher and end up with the earliest. They go back to the time of ParikShit I Kauravya (mentioned in the Rgveda KhilÃ¢ni), thus at the very start of recollecting the Rc-SÃ¢mam-Yajus and Chandas in a new SamhitÃ¢.

ShÃ¢NDilya Gotra
This is placed with the Kashyapas in the Gotra-Pravara sections of the KalpasÃ»tras. But, looking closer we have this information in their section:
TryÃ¢rSheya: Kashyapa-AvatsÃ¢ra-ShÃ¢NDilya
So far, no problem, as Kashyapa is the main RShi, and AvatsÃ¢ra a KÃ¢shyapa descendant. But the third may not be a KÃ¢shyapa, but is a matrmonially allied Pravara after which there is an "avaivÃ¢hika" status between the AvatsÃ¢ras and ShÃ¢NDilyas.
In support that the third AarSheya Pravara may not be of the first or second, is when we notice the following within the Kashyapa section:
TryÃ¢rSheya: Kashyapa-AvatsÃ¢ra-VasiShTha ! VasiShTha is certainly not a Kashyapa, thus we get here the information that there is a matrimonial relation involved of two Gotras within certain Pravaras. [it is not improbable that the third AarSheya in both examples denotes an equation, perhaps supported further by the data below]

- My Tabla Guru, from the ShÃ¢NDilya Gotra, confirmed that they were certainly not Kashyapas.

- The PurÃ¢Nas name the Purohita of king DilÃ®pa II KhaTvÃ¢nga of Ayodhya as an Atharvanidhi VasiShTha, and also as ShÃ¢NDili (story of the kings DilÃ®pa II and Bhuvamanyu). The last name may have been his personal name.

- Matsya PurÃ¢Na places ShÃ¢NDili with the VasiShThas.

QUOTE"Are gotras somehow cross-metrixed with varnas?"

If individuals started with other professions, they may have remembered their Gotra-Pravara, but changed their VarNa.

QUOTE"Should one be right in being proud on one's gotra?"

One may be proud, but it is better as a descendant, follower or inspirated one by their teachings, to take their examples to develop further personally and socially. Our ancestors have sacrificed a lot to attain wisdom for the benefit of all. It's a waste to neglect what they wanted to pass to us.

Bodhi · (This post was last modified: 09-05-2006, 01:27 AM by Bodhi.)

Thanks for information ishwa.
QUOTE(ishwa @ Sep 4 2006, 03:43 PM)If individuals started with other professions, they may have remembered their Gotra-Pravara, but changed their VarNa.
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What is the common practice? i.e. do we commonly find people of different varnas from same gotra/pravar? e.g. Kshatriys and Brahmins from lets say Shandilya, Gotama, Kashyap gotras?

Also I have heard some gotra names - especialy from some Vaishyas - which don't sound like Rishi names, like 'Goyal', 'Mittal' etc. Whats the reason? Are these gotra names, or actual gotras are something else but forgotten?

09-05-2006, 02:23 AM

Quote:What is the common practice? i.e. do we commonly find people of different varnas from same gotra/pravar? e.g. Kshatriys and Brahmins from lets say Shandilya, Gotama, Kashyap gotras?

Quote:Also I have heard some gotra names - especialy from some Vaishyas - which don't sound like Rishi names, like 'Goyal', 'Mittal' etc. Whats the reason? Are these gotra names, or actual gotras are something else but forgotten?
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Dear Bodhi, these are difficult questions. As the most attention was towards static = not changing Gotra-Pravara developments, we do not know too much.
Brahma and KShatra interchanged their functions more easily.

A glimpse can be caught perhaps, by the word KhattrÃ®, of which the origin is KShatriya, but the profession became VaNij Vaishya.
There is more work needed to entangle the intricacies.

Names like Goyal and Mittal may come from individuals or some characteristics shared by the descendants. These are rather Kula than Gotra names. These Kulas do remember their Gotracharyas, even ShÃ¢khÃ¢, etc. Is this a sign that these Kulas once had RShi ancestry? I do not know. Bit it seems that indian society was more dynamic than is believed by some these days.

A person born as son of a professing Vipra, but himself not engaged in his profession, is merely in name a Vipra. If he starts a business or agriculture, and after him his descendants, where does he stand? As a descendant of one, he may count himself as a Vipra, but as an active VaNij he is within the Vaishya VarNa.

Indian society was complex, with multilevel dynamics. Like the indian mind having no problem functioning in western societies, while playing with NirÃ¢kÃ¢ra and SÃ¢kara levels criss-crossed by Shaiva-vaiShNava-GÃ¢Napata-ShÃ¢ktya concepts and rituals. This is probably too hard for many non-Indians.

The standard books are written by the last or their faithful indigenous followers who obstruct (other) Indians to tell their side or obstructing them to search for forgotten or rare phenomena, keeping respect.

09-10-2006, 10:09 AM

Ishwa,

Very good posts.

I got some questions for you. But very busy now, so will ask you later.

09-21-2006, 08:00 AM

Hey everyone,

Can anyone suggest or enlighten me on the lineage of Nath? They are Hindus, but anything about their gotras etc.

Regards

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09-21-2006, 05:20 PM

Nath is a family of spiritual sects originated from Hath Yogis. Some prominent Nath gurus have been Sri Goraksha Nath, Sri Matsyendra Nath, Sri Adi Nath etc. So I think Nath is a practice-based spiritiual following rather than a birth-based gotra/pravara etc. (which means one may become a Nath if wanted to and accepted by a Nath guru) Naths can be found all over India but prominently in Eastern-Northern UP, Haryana, Northern Maharashtra, W Bengal etc.

09-30-2006, 01:29 PM

The Gosains consider their founder to have been Shankaracharya, the great apostle of the revival of the worship of Siva in Southern India , who lived between the eighth and tenth centuries. He had four disciples from whom the ten order of Gosai's are derived. These are commonly defined as follows
1. Tirtha (a shrine of pilgrimage) 2 Asharm{hermitage) 3. Ban or Van (the forest) 4 Aranya (forest) 5 Giri [Peak of mountain] 6. Parvat (a mountain) 7. Sagar (the ocean) 8 Saraswati (the Goddess of learning) 9. Bharthi (the Goddess of speech) 10. Puri ( a town)

<span style='font-family:Arial'>Can anybody give me the gotras of these order's of Goswami samaj?</span>

10-12-2006, 06:40 PM

Can any one tell me about Jabali gotra or jabali rishi

10-12-2006, 07:19 PM

QUOTE(harishjabali @ Oct 12 2006, 09:10 AM)Can any one tell me about Jabali gotra or jabali rishi
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Rishi Satyakama Jabala is mentioned in Chhandogya Upanishad. Cross-posting from another post:
QUOTE<div class='quotetop'>QUOTEOnce upon a time Satyakama Jabala addressed his mother Jabala, âMother, I desire to live the life of a brahmacharin student of sacred knowledge in the teacherâs house. Of what lineage am I ?â

She said to him, âMy child, I do not know of what lineage you are. I, who was engaged in many works and in attending on others, got you in my youth. Having been such I could not know of what lineage you are. However, I am Jabala by name and you are named Satyakama. So you speak of yourself only as Satyakama Jabala.â

He went to Haridrumata Gautama and said, âI desire to live under you, revered sir, as a Brahmacharin; may I approach your venerable self (for the same) ?â

Gautama asked him, âDear boy, of what lineage are you ?â He replied, âSir, I do not know of what lineage I am. I asked my mother; she replied, âI, who was engaged in many works and in attending on others, got you in my youth. Having been such, I could not know of what lineage you are. However, I am Jabala by name and you are named Satyakamaâ. So, sir, I am Satyakama Jabala.â

<span style='color:red'>The teacher said to him, âNo one who is not a Brahmana can speak thus. Dear boy, bring the sacrificial fuel, I shall initiate you as a Brahmacharin, for you have not deviated from truthâ.</span>

This shows that sages did not insist upon the Varna of birth and lineage etc, but rather looked at the guNa and prakRti of the candidate and accordingly accepted them. This student Satyakama Jabala would indeed prove a great sage himself.
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Not sure if Jabali = Jabala.

11-28-2006, 12:35 PM

My introduction in the traditional way:

Abhivadaye
Angirasa, Bhaarhaspatya, Bharadwaja Triyarishiye Pravaranvitha
Bharadwaja gotraha
Apasthamba sutraha
Yajushaakhadhyayi
Shri Kartik Sramana
Asmibhu

I'm a Vadama Iyer from Palakkad.
I heard somewhere that Bharadwaja is the most common gotra. Does it also mean that my particular pravara is the most common. Aren't there any other pravaras which originate from Angirasa-Bhaarhaspatya. Do everybody have Apasthamba sutra? What exactly does sutra signify?? Also thru my Abhivaday can it be traced where and when my family came from in the north.

11-28-2006, 08:59 PM

Google book -
<b>The Bharadvajas in Ancient India </b>By Thaneswar Sarmah
On the Hindu sage Bharadvaja, his descendants, and their contributions to the practices in Hinduism.

Limited access available.

11-28-2006, 09:05 PM

The Early Brahmanical System of Gotra and Pravara: A Translation of the Gotra-pravara-manjari,... By Purusottama Pandita
By Purusottama
Pandita
Published 1953
University Press
227 pages

11-29-2006, 06:43 PM

QUOTE(Mudy @ Nov 28 2006, 08:59 PM)Google book -
<b>The Bharadvajas in Ancient India </b>By Thaneswar Sarmah
On the Hindu sage Bharadvaja, his descendants, and their contributions to the practices in Hinduism.

Limited access available.
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Mudy ji thankyou very much. Without you I wouldn't know such books existed.

**Hauma Hamiddha** · 11-30-2006, 06:31 AM

QUOTE(kartiksri @ Nov 28 2006, 02:05 AM)I'm a Vadama Iyer from Palakkad.
I heard somewhere that Bharadwaja is the most common gotra. Does it also mean that


bharadvAja-s are the most frequent gotra amongst Telugu smArtas and vaDamAs, both of which are genetically close group of brAhmaNas.

They are not the most frequent group amongst various Maharashtra smArtas or differen groups of North Indian brahmins of the pa~ncha gauDa division. The bv-s are however fairly frequent amongst gauDa sArasvatas who originated amongst the pa~ncha-gauDa before moving south.

You cannot always say from your pravara when your ancestors moved south. In general there were 3 major waves of vaDamas. One prior to rAmAnuja the vaiShNava guru, a second during Moslem depredations in the 1300s and another during the southerward shift in vijayanagara when Hampi fell to the Moslems.

Bodhi · (This post was last modified: 12-24-2006, 01:27 PM by Bodhi.)

<span style='color:red'>Common Jatis and Upjatis of Brahmins in India</span>

(Not sure about accuracy. Have noticed some inaccuracies already. Just reproducing from one of Dr. Ambedkar's paper.)

3 major Brahmin classifications:
- Dravid Brahmin jatis
- Gauda Brahmin Jatis
- Other Brahmins

<span style='color:red'>A) Dravid Brahmins</span>

(1) The Maharashtrians
(2) The Andhras
(3) The Dravidians (proper)
(4) The Karnatakas
(5) The Gurjaras

1. THE MAHARASHTRA BRAHMINS

(1) The Deshasthas, (2) The Konkanasthas, (3) The Karhadas, (4) The Kanvas, (5) The Madhyandinas, (6) The Padhyas, (7) The Devarukhas, (8) The Palashas, (9) The Kirvantas, (10) The Tirgulas, (11) The Javalas, (12) The Abhiras, (13) The Savashas, (14) Kastas, (15) The Kunda Golakas, (16) The Randa Golakas, (17) The Brahmana-Jais, (18) The Soparas, (19) The Khistis, (20) The Huseinis, (21) The Kalankis, (22) The Maitrayaniyas, (23) The Varadis-Madhyandin-YaJ'ur-Vedi, (24) The Varadis-Madhyandin-Rig Vedi, (25) The Jhade. The Shenvis are further divided into nine sub-castes called (26) Narvankar, (27) Keloskar, (28) Bardeshkar, (29) Kudaldeshkar, (30) Pednekar, (31) Bhalavelekar, (32) Kushasthali, (33) Khadape and (34) Khajule.

2. THE ANDHRA BRAHMINS

(1) The Varnasalus, (2) The Kamarukubi, (3) The Karanakamulu, (4) The Madhyandians, (5) The Tailangas, (6) The Murakanadus, (7) The Aradhyas, (8) The Yajnavalkyas, (9) The Kasaranadu, (10) The Velandus, (11) The Venginadus, (12) The Vedinadus, (13) The Samavedis, (14) The Ramanujis, (15) The Madhavacharis, (16) The Niyogis.

3. THE TAMIL BRAHMINS

(1) The Rig-Vedis, (2) The Krishna Yajur-Vedis, (3) The Shukia Yajur-VedisâMadhyandinas, (4) The Shukla Yajur-Vedis-Kanvas, (5) The Sama Vedis, (6) The Atharva, (9) The Vaishnavas, (10) The Vira Vaishnavas, (11) The Shri-Vaishnavas, (12) The Bhagvatas, (13) The Shaktas.

4. THE KARNATAKA BRAHMINS

(1) The Rig Vedis, (2) The Krishna Yajur-Vedis, (3) The Shukia Yajur-Vedis Madhyandinas, (4) The Shukla Yajur-Vedis Kanvas, (5) The Sama Vedis, (6) The Kume Brahmins and (7) The Nagara Brahmins.

5. THE GURJARA BRAHMINS
5.1 The Andichya Brahmins.
(1) Siddhpura Andichya, (2) Sihor Andichya, (3) Tolkiya Andhichya, (4) Kunbigor, (5) Inochigor, (6) Darjigor, (7) Grandhrapagor, (8) Koligor, (9) Marwadi Andichya, (10) Kachhi Andichya, (11) Vagdiya Andichya.

5.2 The Nagar Brahmins.
(12) The Vadanagar Brahmins, (13) The Vishalnagar Brahmins, (14) The Sathodra Brahmins, (15) The Prashnoras, (16) The Krishnoras, (17) The Chitrodas, (18) The Baradas. (19) Gujarathi Nagars, (20) Sorathi Nagars and (21) Nagars of other Towns.

5.3 The Girnar Brahmins.
(22) The Junagadhya Girnars, (23) The Chorvada Girnars, (24) The Ajakiyas.

5.4 The Mevadas Brahmins.
(25) The Bhata Mevadas, (26) The Trivadi Mevadas, (27) The Charosi Mevadas.

5.5 The Deshavala Brahmins.
(46) The Deshavala Brahman Surati.

5.6 The Rayakavala Brahmins.
(47) The Navas (new ones) and (48) The Mothas (old ones).

5.7 The Khedvala Brahmins.
(49) The Khedvala Bajas, (50) The Khedvala Bhitaras, (51) The Khedva Bajas, (52) The Khedva Bhitaras.

5.8 The Modha Brahmins.
(53) The Trivedi Modhas, (54) The Chaturvedi Modhas, (55) The Agihans Modhas, (56) The Tripal Modhas, (57) The Khijadiya Sanvana Modhas, (58) The Ekadashdhra Modhas, (59) The Tandulotha Modhas, (60) The Utanjaliya Modhas, (61) The Jethimal Modhas, (62) The Chaturvedi Dhinoja Modhas, (63) The Dhinoja Modhas.

5.9 The Shrimali Brahmins.
(64) The Marwadi Shrimali, (65) The Mevadi Shrimali, (66) The Kachhi Shrimali, (67) The Kathiavadi Shrimali, (68) The Gujarathi Shrimali. The Gujarathi Shrimali are further sub-divided into
(69) Ahamadabadi Shrimali, (70) Surati Shrimali, (71) Ghoghari Shrimali and (72) The Khambhati Shrimali. The Khambhati Shrimali are again sub-divided into: (73) Yajurvedi Khambhati Shrimali, (74) Samavedi Khambhati Shrimali.

5.10 The Chovisha Brahmins.
(75) Mota (Great ones), (76) Lahana (small ones).

5.11 The Sarasvata Brahmins.
(77) Sorathiya Sarasvata, (78) Sindhava Sarasvata.

5.12 Other Gujarata Brahmins:
(79) The Sachora Brahmins, (80) The Udambara Brahmins,
(81) The Narsipara Brahmins, (82) The Valadra Brahmins,
(83) The Pangora Brahmins, (84) The Nandodra Brahmins,
(85) The Vayada Brahmins, (86) The Tamil (or Dradvida) Brahmins,
(87) The Rodhavala Brahmins, (88) The Padmivala Brahmins,
(89) The Gomativala Brahmins, (90) The Itavala Brahmins,
(91) The Medhatavala Brahmins, (92) The Gayavala Brahmins,
(93) The Agastyavala Brahmins, (94) The Pretavala Brahmins,
(95) The Unevala Brahmins, (96) The Rajavala Brahmins,
(97) The Kanojiya Brahmins, (98) The Sarvariya Brahmins,
(99) The Kanoliya Brahmins, (100) The Kharkheliya Brahmins,
(101) The Parvaliaya Brahmins, (102) The Sorathiya Brahmins,
(103) The Tangamadiya Brahmins, (104) The Sanodiya Brahmins,
(105) The Motala Brahmins, (106) The Jhalora Brahmins,
(107) The Rayapula Brahmins, (108) The Kapila Brahmins,
(109) The Akshayamangala Brahmins, (110) The Gugli Brahmins,
(111) The Napala Brahmins, (112) The Anavala Brahmins,
(113) The Valmika Brahmins, (114) The Kalinga Brahmins,
(115) The Tailinga Brahmins, (116) The Bhargava Brahmins,
(117) The Malavi, (118) The Banduan Brahmins,
(119) The Bharathana Brahmins, (120) The Pushkarana Brahmins,
(121) The Khadayata Brahmins, (122) The Maru Brahmins,
(123) The Dahima Brahmins, (124) The Chovisa Brahmins,
(125) The Jambu Brahmins, (126) The Maratha Brahmins,
(127) The Dadhicha Brahmins, (128) The Lalata Brahmins,
(129) The Valuta Brahmins, (130) The Borshidha Brahmins,
(131) The Golavala Brahmins, (132) The Prayagvala Brahmins,
(133) The Nayakvala Brahmins, (134) The Utkala Brahmins,
(135) The Pallivala Brahmins, (136) The Mathura Brahmins,
(137) The Maithila Brahmins, (138) The Kulabha Brahmins,
(139) The Bedua Brahmins, (140) The Ravavala Brahmins,
(141) The Dashahara Brahmins, (142) The Karnatika Brahmins,
(143) The Talajiya Brahmins, (144) The Parashariya Brahmins,
(145) The Abhira Brahmins, (146) The Kundu Brahmins,
(147) The Hirayajiya Brahmins, (148) The Mastava Brahmins,
(149) The Sthitisha Brahmins, (150) The Predatvala Brahmins,
(151) The Rampura Brahmins, (152) The Jila Brahmins,
(153) The Tilotya Brahmins, (154) The Durmala Brahmins,
(155) The Kodva Brahmins, (156) The Hanushuna Brahmins,
(157) The Shevada Brahmins, (158) The Titraga Brahmins,
(159) The Basuladas Brahmins, (160) The Magmarya Brahmins,
(161) The Rayathala Brahmins, (162) The Chapila Brahmins,
(163) The Baradas Brahmins, (164) The Bhukaniya Brahmins,
(165) The Garoda Brahmins, (166) The Taporana Brahmins.

<span style='color:red'>B) GAUDA BRAHMINS</span>

5 main upjatis:
(1) The Sarasvata Brahmins,
(2) The Kanyakubja Brahmins,
(3) The Gauda Brahmins,
(4) The Utkala Brahmins,
(5) The Maithila Brahmins

1. THE SARASVATA BRAHMINS
The Sarasvata Brahmins fall into three territorial sections: Punjab, Kashmir, Sindh

1.1 The Sarasvatas of the Punjab
1.1.A Sarasvatas of the districts of Lahore, Arnritsar, Batala, Gurdaspur, Jalandar, Multan, Jhang and Shahpur:

(1) Navale, (2) Chuni, (3) Ravade, (4) Sarvaliye, (5) Pandit,
(6) Tikhe, (7) Jhingan, (8) Kumadiye, (9) Jetle, (10) Mohle or Mole,
(11) Tikhe-A'nde, (12) Jhingan-Pingan, (13) jetli-Petli,
(14) Kumadiye-Lumadiye, (15) Mohle-Bohle, (16) Bage,
(17) Kapuriye, (18) Bhaturiye, (19) Maliye, (20) Kaliye,
(21) Sanda, (22) Pathak, (23) Kural, (24) Bharadwaji,
(25) Joshi, (26) Shori, (27) Tiwadi, (28) Marud, (29) Datta,
(30) Mujhal, (31) Chhibar, (32) Bali, (33) Mohana, (34) Lava,
(35) Vaidya, (36) Prabhakar, (37) Shame-Potre, (38) Bhoja-Potre,
(39.) Singhe-Potre, (40) Vatte-Potre, (41) Dhannan-Potre,
(42) Dravade, (43) Gaindhar, (44) Takht Laladi, (45) Shama Dasi,
(46) Setpal (or Shetpal), (47) Pushrat, (48) Bharadvaji,
(49) Katpale, (50) Ghotke, (51) Pukarne.
(52) Diddi, (53) Shridhara, (54) Vinayaka, (55) Majju,
(56) Khindariye, (57) Harad, (58) Prabhakar, (59) Vasudeva,
(60) Parashara, (61) Mohana, (62) Panjan, (63) Tivara,
(64) Kapala, (65) Bharkhari, (66) Sodhi, (67) Kaijar,
(68) Sangad, (69) Bharadvaji, (70) Nage, (71) Makavar,
(72) Vashishtha, (73) Dangaval, (74) Jalap, (75) Tripane,
(76) Bharathe, (77) Bansale, (78) Gangahar, (79) Jotashi,
(80) Rikhi (or Rishi), (81) Mandar, (82) Brahmi, (83) Tejpal,
(84) Pal, (85) Rupal, (86) Lakhanpal, (87) Ratanpal,
(88) Shetpal, (89) Bhinde, (90) Dhami, (91) Chanan,
(92) Randeha, (93) Bhuta, (94) Rati, (95) Kundi, (96) Hasadhir,
(97) Punj, (98) Sandhi, (99) Bahoye, (100) Virad, (101) Kaland,
(102) Suran, (103) Sudan, (104) Ojhe, (105) Bramha-Sukul,
(106) Hariye, (107) Gajesu, (108) Bhanot, (109) Tinuni, (110) Jalli,
(111) Tole, (112) Jalap, (113) Chitchot, (114) Padhe or Pandhe,
(115) Marud, (116) Laladiye, (117) Tote, (118) Kusarit,
(119) Ramtal, (120) Kapale, (121) Masodare, (122) Ratniye,
(123) Chandan, (124) Churavan, (125) Mandahar,
(126) Madhare, (127) Lakarphar, (128) Kund, (129) Kardam,
(130) Dhande, (131) Sahajpal, (132) Pabhi, (133) Rati,
(134) Jaitke, (135) Daidriye, (136) Bhatare, (137) Kali,
(138) Jalpot, (139) Maitra, (140) Sankhatre, (141) Ludra,
(142) Vyasa, (143) Paitu, (144) Kirar, (145) Puje, (146) Isar,
(147) Latta, (148) Dhami, (149) Kalhan, (150) Madarkhamb,
(151) Bedesar. (152) Salvahan, (153) Dhande, (154) Marud,
(155) Bature, (156) Joti, (157) Soyari, (158) Tejpal, (159) Kuralpal,
(160) Kalas, (161) Jalap, (162) Tinmani, (163) Tanganivate,
(164) Jalpot, (165) Pattu, (166) Jasrava, (167) Jayachand,
(168) Sanwal, (169) Agnihotri, (170) Agraphakka, (171) Ruthade,
(172) Bhaji, (173)Kuchhi, (174)Saili, (175)Bhambi,
(176)Medu, (177) Mehad, (178) Yarnye, (179) Sangar,
(180) Sang, (181) Nehar, (182) Chakpaliye, (183) Bijraye,
(184) Narad, (185) Kutwal, (186) Kotpal, (187) Nabh, (188) Nad,
(189) Parenje, (190) Kheti, (191) A'ri, (192) Chavhe, (193) Bibde,
(194) Bandu, (195) Machhu, (196) Sundar, (197) Karadage,
(198) Chhibbe, (199) Sadhi, (200) Tallan, (201) Karddam,
(202) Jhaman, (203) Rangade, (204) Bhog, (205) Pande,
(206) Gande, (207) Pante, (208) Gandhe, (209) Dhinde,
(210) Tagale, (211) Dagale, (212) Lahad, (213) Tad, (214) Kayi,
(215) Ludh, (216) Gandar, (217) Mahe, (218) Saili, (219) Bhagi,
(220) Pande, (221) Pipar, (222) Jathee.

1.1.B Sarasvata Brahamins of Kangada and the adjacent Hill Country:

(1) Osdi, (2) Pandit Kashmiri, (3) Sotri, (4) Vedve, (5) Naga, (6) Dikshit,
(7) Misri Kashmiri, (8) Madihatu, (9) Panchkarn, (10) Raine, (11) Kurudu,
(12) A'Chariye.
(13) Chithu, (14) Panyalu, (15) Dumbu, (16) Dehaidu, (17) Rukhe,
(18) Pambar, (19) Gutre, (20) Dyabhudu, (21) Make,
(22) Prot (Purohita) Jadtotrotiye, (23) Visht Prot, (24) Padhe Saroj,
(25) Padhe Khajure, (26) Padhe Mahite, (27) Khajure, (28) Chhutwan,
(29) Bhanwal, (30) Rambe, (31) Mangrudiye, (32) Khurvadh, (33) Galvadh,
(34) Dangmar, (35) Chalivale.

1.1.C Sarasvata Brahmins of Dattarpur, Hoshyarpur and the adjacent Country:

(1) Dogre, (2) Sarmayi, (3) Dube, (4) Lakhanapal, (5) Padhe Dholbalvaiya,
(6) Padhe Ghohasniye, (7) Padhe Dadiye, (8) Padhe Khindadiya, (9) Khajurive.
(10) Kapahatiye, (11) Bharadhiyal, (12) Chaprohiye, (13) Makade,
(14) Kutallidiye, (15) Sarad, (16) Dagadu, (17) Vantade,(18) Muchle,
(19) Sammol,(20) Dhose,(21) Bhatol, (22) Rajohad, (23) Thanik,
(24) Panyal, (25) Chibbe, (26) Madote, (27) Misar, (28) Chhakotar,
(29) Jalreiye, (30) Lahad, (31) Sel, (32) Bhasul, (33) Pandit,
(34) Changhial, (35) Lath, (36) Sand, (37) Lai, (38) Gadottare, (39) Chirnol,
(40) Badhie, (41) Shridhar, (42) Patdu, (43) Juwal, (44) Maite, (45) Kakliye,
(46) Tak, (47) Jhol, (48) Bhadoe, (49) Tandik, (50) Jhummutiyar,
(51) A'l, (52) Mirat, (53) Mukati, (54) Dalchallie, (55) Bhatohaye,
(56) Tyahaye, (57) Bhatare

1.2 The Sarasvatas of Kashmir
There are two sub-sections of the Sarasvatas of Kashmir.

1.2.A) Kashmiri Pandits

(1) Kaul, (2) Rajdan, (3) Guriti, (4) Jitish, (5) Dar, (6) Trakari,
(7) Mujhi, (8) Munshi, (9) Butal, (10) Javi, (11) Bajai, (12) Rei,
(13) Hundo, (14) Dipti, (15) Chhichvali, (16) Rugi, (17) Kall,
(18) Sum, (19) Hanji, (20) Hastivali, (21) Mutu, (22) Tikku,
(23) Gais, (24) Gadi, (25) Brari, (26) Ganj, (27) Vangan,
(28) Vagana, (29) Bhut, (30) Bhairava, (31) Madan, (32) Dina,
(33) Shargal, (34) Hakchar, (35) Hak, (36) Kukar, (37) Chhatari,
(38) Saunpuri, (39) Matti, (40) Khush, (41) Shakdar,
(42) Vaishnava, (43) Kotar, (44) Kak, (45) Kachari, (46) Tote,
(47) Saraph, (48) Gurah, (49) Thanthar, (50) Khar, (51) Thaur,
(52) Teng, (53) Saiyad, (54) Trupuraya, (55) Muthi, (56) Saphai,
(57) Bhan, (58) Vanya, (59) Garial, (60) Thapal, (61) Nauri,
(62) Masaldan, (63) Mushran, (64) Turki, (65) Photedar,
(66) Kharu, (67) Karbangi, (68) Bhath, (69) Kichilu, (70) Chhan,
(71) Mukdam, (72) Khapari, (73) Bulaki, (74) Kar, (75) Jelali,
(76) Saphayu, (77) Batphali, (78) Hukhi, (79) Kukpari, (80) Kali,
(81) Jari, (82) Ganj, (83) Kim, (84) Mundi, (85) Jangal, (86) Jati,
(87) Rakhyas, (88) Bakayi, (89) Geri, (90) Gari, (91) Kali,
(92) Panji, (93) Bangi, (94) Sahib, (95) Belab, (96) Rayi,
(97) Galikarap, (98) Chan, (99) Kababi, (100) Yachh,
(101) Jalpuri, (102) Navashahari, (103) Kisi, (104) Dhusi,
(105) Garnkhar, (106) Tholal, (107) Pista, (108) Badam,
(109) Trachhal, (110) Nadir, (111) Lidarigari, (112) Pyal,
(113) Kabi, (114) Chhatri, (115) Vanti, (116) Vatlilu, (117) Khari,
(118) Vas, (119) Lati, (120) Sabanj, (121) Dandi, (122) Raval,
(123) Misari, (124) Sibbi, (125) Singari, (126) Mirje,
(127) Mal, (128) Variki, (129) Jan, (130) Lutari, (131) Parim, (132) Hali,
(133) Nakaib, (134) Main, (135) Ambaradar, (136) Ukhal, (137) Kanth,
(138) Bali, (139) Jangali, (140) Duli, (141) Parava, (142) Harkar,
(143) Gagar, (144) Pandit, (145) Jari, (146) Langi, (147) Mukki,
(148) Bihi, (149) Padaur, (150) Pade, (151) Jand, (152) Teng,
(153) Tund, (154) Drabi, (155) Dral, (156) Phambbi, (157) Sajavul,
(158) Bakhshi, (159) Ugra, (160) Nichvi, (161) Pathan, (162) Vichari,
(163) Unth, (164) Kuchari, (165) Shal, (166) Babi, (167) Makhani,
(168) Labari, (169) Khanya, (170) Khanyakati, (171) Shah,
(172) Pir, (173) Khurdi, (174) Khunki, (175) Kalposh, (176) Pishan,
(177) Bishan, (178) Bul, (179) Choki, (180) Chak, (181) Rai,
(182) Priti, (183) Pati, (184) Kichili, (185) Kahi, (186) Jiji, (187) Kilmak,
(188) Salman, (189) Kadalbaju, (190) Kandahari, (191) Bali,
(192) Manati, (193) Bankhan, (194) Hakim, (195) Garib,
(196) Mandal, (197) Manjaha, (198) Shair, (l99) Nun, (200) Teli,
(201) Khalasi, (202) Chandra, (203) Gadir, (204) Jarabi, (205) Sihari,
(206) Kalvit, (207) Nagari, (208) Mungvuch, (209) Khaibari,
(210) Kulli, (211) Kabi, (212) Khosa, (213) Durani, (214) Tuli, (215) Garib,
(216) Gadi, (217) Jati, (218) Rakhsas, (219) Harkar, (220) Grad,
(221) Vagari

1.2.B) Sarasvata Brahamans of Jammu, Jasrota and the neighbouring Hill Country:

(1) Amgotre, (2) Thappe, (3) Dube, (4) Sapoliye Padhe, (5) Badiyal,
(6) Kesar, (7) Nadh, (8) Khajure Prahot, (9) Jamval Pandit, (10) Vaidya,
(11) Lava, (12) Chibar, (13) aliye, (14) Mohan, (15) Bambhaval (16) Raine, (17) Satotre, (18) Katotre, (19) Lalotre, (20) Bhangotre,
(21) Samnotre, (22) Kashmiri Pandit, (23) Pandhotre, (24) Vilhanoch,
(25) Badu, (26) Kernaye Pandit, (27) Danal Padhe, (28) Mahite,
(29) Sudhraliye, (30) Bhatiad, (31) Puroch, (32) Adhotre, (33) Mishra,
(34) Parashara, (35) Bavagotre, (36) Mansotre, (37) Sudathiye (38) Sudan, (39) Sukhe, (40) Bhure, (41) Chandan, (42) Jalotre,
(43) Nabhotre, (44) Khadotre, (45) Sagdol, (46) Bhuriye,
(47) Baganachhal, (48) Rajuliye, (49) Sangde, (50) Munde,
(51) Surnachal, (52) Ladhanjan, (53) Jakhotre, (54) Lakhanpal,
(55) Gauda Purohita, (56) Shashgotre, (57) Khanotre,
(58) Garoch, (59) Marotre, (60) Upadhe, (61) Khindhaiye Padhe,
(62) Kalandari, (63) Jarad, (64) Udihal, (65) Ghode,
(66) Basnotre, (67) Barat, (68) Chargat, (69) Lavanthe,
(70) Bharangol, (71) Jaranghal, (72) Guhaliye, (73) Dhariancha,
(74) Pindhad, (75) Rajuniye, (76) Badakulive, (77) Sirkhandiye,
(78) Kirpad, (79) Balli, (80) Salurn, (81) Ratanpal, (82) Banotre,
(83) Yantradhari, (84) Dadorich, (85) Bhaloch, (86) Chhachhiale,
(87) Jhangotre, (88) Magdol, (89) Phaunphan, (90) Saroch,
(91) Gudde, (92) Kirle, (93) Mansotre, (94) Thammotre,
(95) Thanmath, (96) Bramiye, (97) Kundan, (98) Gokuliye Gosain,
(99) Chakotre, (100) Rod, (101) Bargotre, (102) Kavde,
(103) Magdiyaliye, (104) Mathar, (105) Mahijiye, (106) Thakure Purohita,
(107) Galhal, (108) Cham, (109) Rod, (110) Labhotre, (111) Redathiye,
(112) Patal, (113) Kamaniye, (114) Gandhargal, (115) Prithvipal,
(116) Madhotre, (117) Kambo, (118) Sarmayi, (119) Bachhal,
(120) Makhotre, (121) Jad, (122) Batialiye, (123) Kudidab,
(124) Jambe, (125) Karanathiye, (126) Suthade, (127) Sigad,
(128) Garadiye, (129) Machhar, (130) Baghotre, (131) Sainhasan,
(132) Utriyal, (133) Suhandiye, (134) Jhindhad, (135) Battal,
(136) Bhainkhare, (137) Bisgotre, (138) Jhalu, (139) Dabb,
(140) Bhuta, (141) Kathialu, (142) Paladhu, (143) Paladhu,
(144) Jakhotre, (145) Pange, (146) Solhe, (147) Suguniye,
(148) Sanhoch, (149) Duhal, (150) Bando, (151) Kanungo,
(152) Jhavdu, (153) Jhaphacu, (154) Kaliye, (155) Khaphankho.

1.3 The Sarasvatas of Sindh

The Sarasvatas of Sindh are sub-divided as follows:
(1) Shikarpuris, (2) Barovis, (3) Ravanjahis, (4) Shetpalas
(5) Kuvachandas, and (6) Pokharana.

2. THE KANYAKUBJA BRAHMINS
The Kanuakubjas take their name from the town Kanoj which was the capital of the Empire. They are also called Kanoujas. There are two denominations of the Kanyakubja Brahamins. One is called the Sarajupari or Sarvariyas and the other is called the Kanyakubjas. The Sarvariyas got their name from the river Saryu to the east of which they are principally found. They are a provincial offset from the Kanaujas, with whom they do not now intermarry. The sub-divisions among the Sarvariyas are generally the same as those found among the Kanaujas. It is therefore enough to detail the sub-divisions among the Kanaujas. There are ten divisions of the Kanyakubja Brahmins:

(1) The Mishra, (2) The Shuklas, (3) The Tiwaris, (4) The Dubes,
(5) The Pathaks. (6) The Pande, (7) The Upadhya, (8) The Chaubes,
(9) The Dikshitas, (10) The Vajapeyis.

2.1. THE MISHRAS
(1) The Madhbani, (2) The Champaran, (3) The Patlal or Patlayala,
(4) The Ratanvala, (5) The Bandol, (6) The Matol or Matevala,
(7) The Katariya of the same Veda, (8) The Nagariya of the Vatsa Gotra,
(9) The Payasi of the Vatsa Gotra, (10) The Gana,
(11) The Teunta or the Tevanta, (12) The Marjani, (13) The Gurha,
(14) The Markara, (15) The Jignya, (16) The Parayana, (17) The Pepara,
(18) The Aterva or Atharva, (19) The Hathepara, (20) The Suganti,
(21) The Kheta, (22) The Grambasi, (23) The Birha, (24) The Kausi,
(25) The Kevati, (26) The Raisi, (27) The Bhahajiya, (28) The Belva,
(29) The Usraina, (30) The Kodiya, (31) The Tavakpuri, (32) The Jimalpuri,
(33) The Shringarpuri, (34) The Sitapuri, (35) The Putavha,
(36) The Sirajpuri, (37) The Bhampuri, (38) The Terka,
(39) The Dudhagaumi, (40) The Ratnapuri, (41) The Sunhanla.

2.2 SHUKLAS

(1) The Khakhayijkhor named from two villages,
(2) The Marnkhor named from two villages, (3) The Tipthi,
(4) The Bhedi, (5) The Bakaruva, (6) The Kanjahi, (7) The Khandail,
(8) The Bela, (9) The Change the Avasthi, (10) TheTevarasi Parbhakar,
(11) The Mehuliyar, (12) The Kharbahiya, (13) The Chanda,
(14) The Grga, (15) The Gautami, (16) The Parasa, (17) TheTara,
(18) The Barikhpuri, (19) The Karyava, (20) The Ajmadgadhya,
(21) The Pichaura, (22) The Masauvas, (23) The Sonthianva,
(24) The Aukin, (25) The Bir, (26) The Gopinath.

2.3. TIWARI
(1) The Lonakhar, (2) The Lonapar, (3) The Munjauna, (4) The Mangraich,
(5) The Jhunadiya, (6) The Sohgaura, (7) The Tara, (8) The Gorakhpuriya,
(9) The Daurava, (10) Pendi, (11) The Sirjam, (12) The Dhatura,
(13) The Panauli, (14) The Nadauli or Tandauli, (15) The Burhiyabari,
(16) The Gurauli, (17) The Jogiya, (18) The Dikshita, (19) The Sonaura,
(20) The Agori, (21) The Bhargava, (22) The Bakiya, (23) The Kukurgariya,
(24) The Dama, (25) The Gopala, (26) The Govardhana, (27) The Tuke,
(28) The Chattu, (29) The Shivali, (30) The Shakharaj, (31) The Umari,
(32) The Manoha, (33) The Shivarajpur, (34) The Mandhna,
(35) The Sape, (36) The Mandan Tirvedi, (37) The Lahari Tirvedi,
(38) The Jethi Tirvedi.

2.4. DUBEY
(1) The Kanchani, (2) The Singhva, (3) The Belava, (4) The Parava,
(5) The Karaiya, (6) The Bargainya, (7) The Panchani, (8) The Lathiahi,
(9) The Gurdvan, (10) The Methiber, (11) The Barhampuriya,
(12) The Singilava, (13) The Kuchala, (14) The Munjalva, (15) The Paliya,
(16) The Dhegava, (17) The Sisra, (18) The Sinani, (19) The Kudavarye,
(20) The Kataiya, (21) The Panva.

2.5. PATHAKS
(1) The Sonaura, (2) The Ambatara, (3) The Patakhavaliya,
(4) The Dhigavach, (5) The Bhadari.

2.6. PANDEY
(1) The Tirphala or Triphala, (2) The Jorava, (3) The Matainya,
(4) The Toraya, (5) The Nakchauri, (6) The Parsiha, (7) The Sahankol,
(8) The Barhadiya, (9) The Gegas, (10) The Khoriya, (11) The Pichaura,
(12) The Pichaura Payasi, (13) The Jutiya or Jatya, (14) The Itar or Intar,
(15) The Beshtaul or Beshtavala, (16) The Charpand, (17) The Sila,
(18) The Adhurj, (19) The Madariya, (20) The Majgaum,
(21) The Dilipapar, (22) The Payhatya, (23) The Nagav, (24) The Talava,
(25) The Jambu.

2.7. UPADHYAY
(1) The Harainya or Hiranya, (2) The Devarainya, (3) The Khoriya,
(4) The Jaithiya, (5) The Dahendra, (6) The Gorat, (7) The Ranisarap,
(8) The Nizamabad, (9) The Dudholiya, (10) The Basgava.

2.8. CHAUBES
(1) The Nayapuras, (2) The Rargadis, (3) The Chaukhar, (4) The Katayas,
(5) The Rampuras, (6) The Paliyas, (7) The Hardaspuras, (8) The Tibaiyas,
(9) The Jamaduvas, (10) The Gargeya.

2.9. DIKSHITAS
(1) The Devagaum, (2) The Kakari, (3) The Nevarshiya, (4) The Anter,
(5) The Sukanta, (6) The Chaudhari, (7) The Jujatvatiyas.

2.10. VAJAPEYEE
(1) The Unche, or the High, (2) The Niche or the Low.

2.11 Other isolated Kanyakubjas
(1) The Samdariya, (2) The Tirguvati, (3) The Bhaurha, (4) The Kabisa,
(5) The Kevati, (6) The Chandravala, (7) The Kusumbhiya,
(8) The Bisohya, (9) The Kanhali, (10) The Khajuvai, (11) The Kisirman,
(12) The Paihtiya, (13) The Masonad, (14) The Bijara, (15) The Ansnaura.

3. THE GAUDA BRAHMINS
The Gauda Brahmins derive their name from the Province and (now ruined) city of Gauda, for long the capital of Bihar and Bengal (the seat of the Angas and Vangas or Bangas). The subdivisions among the Gauda Brahmins are very considerable in number. The most conspicuous of them are the following:

(1)The Gaudas or Kevala Gaudas, (2)Adi-Gaudas,
(3) Shukiavala Adi-Gaudas, (4) Ojhas, (5) Sanadhya Gauda,
(6) Chingalas, (7) Khandevalas, (8) Daymias, (9) Shri-Gaudas,
(10) Tamboli Gaudas, (11) Adi-Shri Gaudas, (12) Gurjar Gaudas,
(13) Tek Bara Gaudas, (14) Chamar Gaudas, (15) Hariyana Gaudas,
(16) Kirtanya Gaudas, (17) Sukul Gaudas.

4. THE UTKAL BRAHMINS
Utkal is the ancient name of Orissa and Utkal Brahmins means Brahmins of Orissa.
(1) The Shashani Brahmins, (2) The Shrotriya Brahmins,
(3) The Panda Brahmins, (4) The Ghatiya Brahmins,
(5) The Mahasthana Brahmins, (6) The Kalinga Brahmins.

The Shashani Brahmins have the following sub-divisions.
(1) The Savanta, (2) The Mishra, (3) The Nanda, (4) The Pate,
(5) The Kara, (6) The Acharya, (7) The Satapasti, (8) The Bedi,
(9) The Senapati, (10) The Parnagrahi, (11) The Nishank,
(12) The Rainipati.

The Shrotriya Brahmins have the four following sub-divisions:
(1) Shrotriyas, (2) Sonarbani, (3) Teli, (4) Agrabaksha

5. THE MAITHILYA BRAHMINS
The Maithilya Brahmins derive their designation from Mithila, an ancient division of India and which includes a great portion of the modern districts of Tirhut, Saran, Purnea and also parts of the adjacent tracts of Nepal. The following are the sub-divisions of the Maithilya Brahmins:

(1) The Ojhas, (2) The Thakurs, (3) The Mishras, (4) The Puras,
(5) The Shrotriyas, (6) The Bhuiharas.

Of these the Mishras have the following sub-sections:
(1) The Chandharis, (2) The Rayas, (3) The Parihastas, (4) The Khanas,
(5) The Kumaras.

<span style='color:red'>C) OTHER BRAHMINS</span>

1. OTHER BRAHMINS OF SOUTH INDIA
(1) The Konkani Brahmins
(2) The Hubu ,
(3) The Gaukarna ,
(4) The Havika ,
(5) The Tulva ,
(6) The Amma Kodaga ,
(7) The Nambudri

The Nambudri Brahmins are the principal group of Brahmins living in Malabar. Besides the Nambudris there are also other sections of Brahmins. They are:
(1) The Pottis, (2) The Muttadus, (3) The Fledus, (4) The Ramnad-writ Parasahas, (5) The Pattaras, (6) The Ambalvasis.

2. RAJPUT BRAHMINS
The upjatis of Rajput Brahmins not mentioned in the list of Gurjar Brahmins are:
(1) The Shrimalis Brahmins, (2) The Sachoda Brahmins,
(3) The Pallivalar Brahmins, (4) The Nandanas Brahmins,
(5) The Pushakars Brahmins, (6) The Pokhar Sevakas Brahmins,
(7) The Medatvala, (8) The Parikha Brahmins, (9) The Lavanas Brahmins,
(10) The Dakotas Brahmins, (11) The Garudiyas Brahmins,
(12) The Acharjas, (13) The Bura Brahmins, (14) The Kapidas,
(15) The Dahimas, (16) The Khandelvalas, (17) The Divas,
(18) The Sikavadas, (19) The Chamatvalas, (20) The Marus,
(21) The Shrivantas, (22) The Abhiras, (23) The Bhartanas,
(24) The Sanacadas, (25) The Vagadis, (26) The Mewadas,
(27) The Rajgurus, (28) The Bhats, (29) The Charanas.

**Hauma Hamiddha** · 12-24-2006, 09:43 PM

Full of inaccuracies and errors. At best it can be considered an inaccurate list of jatis reported in brahmins.

Bodhi · (This post was last modified: 12-26-2006, 04:08 AM by Bodhi.)

QUOTE(Hauma Hamiddha @ Dec 24 2006, 12:13 PM)Full of inaccuracies and errors. At best it can be considered an inaccurate list of jatis reported in brahmins.
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Dhanyawaad Hauma Hamiddha Ji. Is it just hopeless, or can it be fixed with little effort? Any particular section with most errors or is it all over? (I have reviewed Gauda Kanyakubja/Sarayuparin list - that appeared accurate)

**Hauma Hamiddha** · 12-26-2006, 01:18 AM

QUOTE(Bodhi @ Dec 24 2006, 12:17 PM)Is it just hopeless, or can it be fixed with little effort?Â Any particular section with most errors or is it all over?


Many parts are hopeless and so is the organization. Many the names are correct but that is about it. If we take the Tamil Nad brahmins its useless. R^igvedi yajurvedi etc are not different sects or types of brahmins. They are just the vedic shakhAs which are studied and in the same family you may see different shakhas by marriage (though they are patrilineally inherited).

12-26-2006, 02:02 AM

QUOTEFull of inaccuracies and errors. At best it can be considered an inaccurate list of jatis reported in brahmins. 
Even north Indian list is full of inaccuracies. e.g. Sodhi are jat. It is a collection of last name. It means Dr. Ambedkar was not clear about jati and varna.

Bharatvarsh · 12-26-2006, 04:35 AM

QUOTEe.g. Sodhi are jat
Mudy aren't they Khatri?

From what I know all the 10 Sikh Gurus come from the Sodhis and the Bedis and they were all Khatri.

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