Not sure how many of you know... I dont see any main stream media reporting this...
1) Raghavendra Mutt @ Erode desecrated, the main idl of Shri Rama broken and thrown in the streets ...
http://dinamalar.com/2006dec08/specialne...p?newsid=4
2) Shankara Mutt is Salem vandalized.
http://thatstamil.oneindia.in/news/2006/...anchi.html
3) Couple of Ganapathi Mandirs at Villupuram and other places vandalized
http://dinamalar.com/2006dec08/specialne...p?newsid=1
4) Petrol bombs hurled at Ayodhya Mantap at heart of Chennai, devotees targetted particularly brahmins...
Its a sad day again in Tamilnadu... and as usual everyone is silent, except some noises by BJP <!--emo&:furious--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/furious.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='furious.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--emo&:furious--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/furious.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='furious.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--emo&:furious--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/furious.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='furious.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--emo&:furious--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/furious.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='furious.gif' /><!--endemo-->
What else one can expect from Tamil Nadu? <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Media, Govt are anti-Hindu in India.
Its shame.
i will try to locate image again
<img src='http://thatstamil.oneindia.in/images36/kanchimutt.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
i will try to locate image again
Any ideas on who is behind this. Is it the communist government or is it Christian extremist terrorists ?
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Media, Govt are anti-Hindu in India.
Its shame.
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My bet is on both.
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Any ideas on who is behind this. Is it the communist government or is it Christian extremist terrorists ?
These incidents (all in a single day) and the ones to come (I am sure of this, given
the atheist nature of the dravidian parties) are fallouts of a damage done to the statue of
Periyar.
The local party "Dravidar Kazhagam" had planned to install that right in front
of the main entrance of one of our most holiest temples Shri Renganatha Temple at Sri Rangam. Usually his statues contains derogatory remarks on Hinduism, priests and followers etched in them. The DK goons install them in front of hindu temples, whereas those **** dont bave the b**ls to install anything like that in front of Churches or Mosques.
The statue was damaged and these incidents couldbe fallouts for the same.
The atheist CM made a statement in the assembly condemning it and I think it could have had his blessings
Is it safe to say that TN is on the fringes of Hinduism, fortunately the population growth rate is one of the lowest. If the state converted to atheism, which logically will lead to Christian conversion eventually, just look at China.
I like how Xtian missionaries keep saying Hinduism will be destroyed. Objectively, everything indicates that Hinduism will keep going, but Christianity in Europe will disappear. When Italy becomes Islamic, will the Pope still be at the Vatican (like the eastern orthodox pontiff who lives in Turkey).
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<b>Indian secularism triumphs again </b>
Last week Indian secularism demanded its periodic obeisance from the faithful and got it. Secular Indian polity rubbed the Hindu nose in the dirt yet again and installed the statue of the known Hindu-hater EV Ramaswamy Naicker 'Periyar' in front of the majestic Rajagopuram of the hoary Sri Ranganathaswamy temple in Srirangam, Tiruchy, insulting Hindu bhaktas and making a mockery of Hindu religious sensibilities. But that's Indian secularism for you and that's Indian polity.
In the polite circles of Indian polity, Periyar the Hindu-hater is referred to as a 'rationalist' or a 'reformist', euphemisms both for anti-Hindu paranoia. Periyar had declared and so had his political heirs Annadurai and Karunanidhi after him, that the Dravidian movement would have attained its ultimate victory the day Bhagwan Sriranganatha (SriMahavishnu) at Srirangam and Bhagwan SriChidambaranatha at Chidambaram are blown apart and their temples razed to the ground with canons. This Hindu-hating sentiment is on record and a proud slogan among Dravidian politicians.
Periyar was an iconoclast not just in the literary sense but literally. He and his followers have not only publicly broken to pieces innumerable Hindu murtis, I have myself seen at the age of six, a procession in Chennai of Periyar's acolytes dancing in front of the murti of Ganesha adorned with shoes and slippers. That terrible image is still fresh in my mind. The latest outrage in Srirangam has its origins in 1973 when permission for the statue was granted by the Srirangam Municipal Council to the 'Suyamaridai Kazhagam', an off-shoot of Periyar's political party, the Dravida Kazhagam.
'Suyamaridai' may be translated as 'self-respect' and it follows that the atheist Dravidian polity exemplified by the DMK which was then the ruling party in Tamil Nadu, considered installing the statue of the Hindu-hating Periyar in front of the revered Srirangam temple as a reaffirming gesture of self-respect for the atheists.
Such affront to Hindu religious sentiments has been the hallmark of Nehruvian secularism. I am told by authentic sources that a fifty foot long sculpture of a naked woman stands right in front of a Devi temple on the Thiruvananthapuram beach. Not too far away stands a Church and a mosque too but Hindu-hating Nehruvian secularism demands that the sculpture of the nude woman be erected not anywhere else in Thiruvananthapuram and not anywhere else on the beach but only in front of the Hindu temple. Indian polity has displayed appalling taste in the choice of names that adorn our streets and avenues and Delhi, befitting its stature as the nation's capital leads the rest of the country in immortalizing the memory of successive Muslim and European colonial marauders and invaders.
Planting the nude woman before the Devi temple or Periyar in front of the Srirangam temple is only a continuation of the Nehruvian secular, anti-Hindu tradition in Indian polity which has permitted Churches and Christian prayer houses in Tamil Nadu, in numbers totally disproportionate to the total Christian population in the state or the country, to come up within sneezing distance of Hindu temples big and small. In other parts of India this blighted polity has allowed mosques to come up on the sites of vandalized Hindu temples or close to standing Hindu temples and mathams as humiliating symbols of Hindu powerlessness to control the content and character of public spaces.
Public spaces are indicative of both national character and polity and therefore while the developed nations of the West permit structures that reflect their token gesture to liberalism and pluralism, such structures are never permitted to come up in numbers that affront the religious and cultural sensibilities of the majority White/Christian populace. This is just as true of Islamic nations which do not subscribe even to this tokenism. India's peculiarly skewered 'secular' polity has in its fold of adherents not just the internationally supported and funded, well-organized and aggressive Christian and Muslim communities but also Dravidians, Marxists and de-racinated Hindus; and India's public spaces reflect the gargantuan appetite of this anti-Hindu coalition's demand for continuing Hindu pounds of flesh.
The most telling example of public spaces defining national character is Seoul. South Korea is the first Asian victim of the Vatican's declared intention to plant the church in Asia in the third millennium. South Korea not till long ago was a Buddhist nation. Not anymore. In 1900 less than one percent of South Korea's population was Christian. By 1970 the Christian population had risen to 18.26% but in 1990 South Korea's Christian population was a staggering 40 percent. The twenty kilometer stretch between the heart of Seoul city and the airport is today dotted with towering churches on the right and left, once again completely disproportionate to the percentage of Christian population or the total numbers of the congregation that assemble in these churches. These imposing churches are not so much religious structures as political intent signaling dominance, subjugation and conquest.
This perversion of the content and character of the public spaces in Seoul is a brutal reminder to the peaceful and non-aggressive Buddhist peoples of South Korea of the cancerous nature of unchecked Christian evangelical missionary activity which is eating away at the Buddhist body of South Korea. Soon the Buddhist soul of the nation will also be dead. A frighteningly similar situation is unfolding in the temple town of Tirupati which lies at the foothills of the Tirumala hills. Innumerable churches have mushroomed in this town in recent times where the total population of Tirupati municipality including the outgrowth is 2,32,930 (two lakhs, thirty-two thousand nine hundred and thirty) of which Christians number only 2348, barely one percent of the population. There is little doubt that the effrontery with which these churches have been built has been facilitated by India's secular polity.
Churches and Christian prayer houses, mosques and madarasas, nude women and Periyar compete with Aurangazeb and Warren Hastings, Humayun and Mountbatten to occupy pride of place in the country's public spaces. India's Nehruvian secularism is alive and thriving, warped sense of history and all.
Radha Rajan
6th December, 2006
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http://www.hindu.com/2006/12/09/stories/...950400.htm
http://epaper.newindpress.com/artMailDisp....6_001_010&typ=1
http://www.hindu.com/2006/12/09/stories/...990300.htm
Another PIL against installing Periyar statue in front of temple
http://www.hindu.com/2006/12/09/stories/...920400.htm
What is sacred and what is secular? We are living through times when 'secular' statues are sought to be made sacred. The governments may run out of policemen and policewomen if every statue of every political shade has to be 'watched'.
Why this sudden spate of seemingly orchestrated attacks on Hindu institutions? Is it secular only to attack what the Hindu tradition holds sacred? If the intent is to promote EVR's atheism as state religion, why restrict the choice of locations for EVR statue only in front of institutions related to Hindu religion?
The medium of choice for bharatiya politicians is to unveil statues. Idolatry! Why is it that the islamists are not getting concerned at the emergence of this new form of kufr? New bhakta of new secular (sic) idols.
OK, naastikavaadam says no, no to worship of idols. OK, pagans worship idols. Do they really worship idols? Is a worshipper in a mandiram worshipping stone? What is the metaphor of a murti of a divinity in Hindu tradition? Is a murti an evocation of the divinity in everyone and an aspect of the paramaatman to be internalised as the aatman seeks out unity with the paramaatman? Or, is it too complicated, too deep for tears?
What is the metaphor sought to bedenoted by a EVR statue? Or, for that matter, statue of any politician, dead or alive?
How about the politico's who are creating new idols in every street corner? Are they not creating a new religion with a new set of murti-s to be adored, to be venerated? Are they truly atheists?
The key issues are these: a plot of land was given to some group to set up a statue for EVR. Why was this particular land close to the Rajagopuram of Srirangam chosen? Why not locate EVR statue elsewhere? The case is subjudice; Madurai High Court has imposed an injunction on the Trichy Corporation or Srirangam Municipality unveiling the EVR statue until the Government permission is granted. Hopefully, there is rule of law in the land and the majesty of the law as an aspect of sanatana dharma should prevail. Let the courts decide on what the law is.
Maybe, it is too much to hope for in a state where the police slaps an FIR against a venerated Guru, Swami Dayananda Saraswati. Another Swami, Subramanya Swami says that such an FIR is illegal according to the Supreme Court judgements. When police do not respect the law, when the fence eats away the field, who will protect the crop, both the sacred and the secular?
Hindu who venerate Hindu institutions are searching for a medium to make their sentiments respected and their voices heard. Is this too much to ask even in a secular democracy? Of course, secular means 'pantha nirapekshataa' (in Hindi translation of the preamble of the Constitution). What pray is pantha? Is EVR's the state panthaa, the secular par excellence? <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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(This post was last modified: 12-09-2006, 11:31 PM by Bharatvarsh.)
Mudy nothing to do with the topic but in your post # 5 you posted 2 pics, in the 2nd pic there seem to be a lot of Sikhs standing around, are these people Punjabis settled in TN, I am just curious because I don't think TN has a lot of Sikhs or are the pics totally unrelated.
The Tamil caption says "Security in Amritsar airport"
Mudy, those photos are unrelated. Other photo show security in Delhi IGI airport
This looks like throw back to the 1970s when the Dravidianists systematically targeted Brahmins. Dravidianists have erected a statue of the F***er Periar in front of the Kameshvari temple/Kanchi Matha too. His finger is pointing to the Matha and saying something like Hinduism is all superstition or something like that.
What prevents Brahmans in TN from uniting and puttig a stiff defensive fight?
They have money and brain. What they lack is physical ability to fight back.
This reminds me of what one of my friends told me what heard from a British man. He says British had understood every section of Indian society and they had different strategy to deal with different people. One he mentioned was "Praise the Punjabis and kick the Madrasis to get the thing done" (sorry, no offence intended).
Once pushed to the wall they should fight back fiercely. Consider Parashurama, a brahman who took weapon to protect Brahmans, as guru. May be its leaders should plan for next 50 years and grow a generation or two who are willing to fight back and impart sufficient martial art training to them. Couple that with brain power and financial muscle and target dravidianists and missionaries with offensive strategy. Ofcourse, there are enough traitors among them to harm and this must be considered while coming up with the strategy.
They should also note that they must have support from other religious hindus in TN and consider accommodating them to the fold. Extending Dwija to other Hindus, which GS mentioned in one of the old threads comes to mind.
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How many left in TN? I hope this is last round of ethnic cleansing of Brahmans from TN.
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Courage has very less to do with physical ability. Even a hare, when threatened, will fight back. What the Brahmanas (and Hindus in general) lack is the emotional ability and courage. They have the brains, but not power. They hardly have the money to sustain a fight. The NRI Brahmins may have money, but most Tamil Brahmanas are close to penury.
We have witnessed many hundred such events. Every time there is an an attack on India, Hinduism, or Brahmins, there are two kinds of reactions from the general public.
1) Extreme Sarcasm: Tending towards self-flagellation and bemoaning how spineless the PM is, and how this will happen again... or,
2) Empty Venting: Purposeless venting of anger which soon dies down in a few days. A lack of strategy from the venting-junta or a strategy with no real action item or follow up.
Yes we know the DK has a free reign under Karunanidhi. There will be such attacks in the coming years, with additional blessings from Madam Maino. Where can a difference be made, and what would be the most EFFECTIVE countering of such forces?
So Hinduism is superstitious, but Xtianity which believes some dead Jew can somehow save your butt and give you a ticket to heaven is ok. Or how about Islam, a mad religion that gives you a heavenly ticket for killing infidels.
I like these atheists monkey's who also say that religion has somehow been responsible for human suffering. Never forget the 100 million who died under Stalin and Mao under the name of destroying superstition and imposing atheism.
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Saturday, 09 December , 2006, 11:50Â
Chennai: Tension prevailed in a Brahmin locality in the heart of the city after unidentified men attacked two persons and hurled a petrol bomb in the area.
Police said the incident occurred at around 3 p.m. on Friday when eight persons, armed with petrol bombs, came in two autorickshaws and stormed the Ayodhya Mandapam in West Mambalam, a hall where priests meet daily.
<b>They shouted anti-Brahmin slogans and threw a bomb inside the premises, burning the screen of the stage where daily bhajans are conducted. </b>
An idol of a deity was also scarred.
<b>They also attacked a person selling the sacred thread outside the premises and another pedestrian with a sickle before speeding away, police said. </b>
<b>They shouted obscenities about the Brahmin community and threatened to "murder" those belonging to the community, police said.</b> <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Wait, if minority Jews can control politics in US why can't the Brahmans in TN?
What is required is a coordinated attempt to fight back. If DK can put insulting statues in front of the temples using political power, certainly they can be removed using constitutional power. Under secular constitution nobody has right to insult a religion. What is needed is to work out a detailed legal argument for this.
TN Brahmans, instead of spending all their time in the temple, home and office, should spend some time to organize among themselves politically and strategically. Build bridges with other hindus. When somebody tries to sideline Namboodiris in Kerala, it is a Nair organization (NSS) that comes out to defend Namboodiri rights, especially religious ones.
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