Iraq And Its Future

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<b>At least 40 bodies found in Baghdad</b>

'<b>Neocons' abandon Iraq war at White House front door</b>

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<b>Sonia Congress opposes Saddam hanging </b>
New Delhi

A day after a Baghdad court confirmed the death sentence to Iraq’s former ruler Saddam Hussein, the Congress party on Wednesday opposed the impending execution of the ousted president. <b>Congress spokesperson Abhishek Manu Singhvi said, "The execution of the former ruler cannot be a solution. The Congress favours the continuation of the ongoing peace process aimed at establishing democratic rule there."</b>

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061229/ap_o..._ea/saddam

Official: Saddam to be executed tonight

or in other words -> excrement is about to make physical contact with a hydro-electric powered oscillating air current distribution device

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Its a done deal.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061230/ts_nm/iraq_dc

Saddam Hussein hanged, says Al Hurra TV station

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In a short clip on CNN, they showed him wearing a white angavastram-like cloth just like a Brahmin or Shwetambar Jain.

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http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/12/2...index.html
<b>hussein hanged</b>
<b>Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein executed</b>
Story Highlights
• Official: "Saddam's body is in front me. It's over."
<b>• Witnesses report people "dancing around the body"
</b>• Hussein never asked to see his wife
• Hussein lawyers lost last-minute appeal in U.S. court

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->State-run Iraqiya television news reported that <b>Saddam's half-brother Barzan Ibrahim and Awad Hamed al-Bandar, the former chief justice of the Revolutionary Court, also were hanged.</b> However, three officials said only Saddam was executed<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

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<b>Indian parties slam Saddam’s hanging </b><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Former external affairs minister Natwar Singh condemned Saddam's execution and said the Prime Minister should condemn it too. "Saddam should have been spared and given life imprisonment. This will arouse a lot of violence and call for an adverse reaction from the Islamic world for decades," he said.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->The execution being carried out in presence of US war troops has worsened situation. This will result in a civil war now," CPI leader D Raja said.

"We had earlier opposed to his execution. We always maintained that the whole trial was absurd. India had hoped to demand a moral right for Saddam. Our Government should get up and condemn this execution. India should not succumb to any pressure on account of foreign policy matter," he added.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Najma Heptulla, Former Deputy Chairperson of the Rajya Sabha told CNN-IBN that it is the Iraqi people who must decide whether the execution has been right or not.

<b>"I knew him (Saddam Hussein) and had met him many times on various occasions. Iraqi people should decide now whether his execution has been right or wrong. I have not lived under his regime,"</b> she said.
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<b> "To die on a holy day is good, but certainly not to be killed on a holy day," said Najma Heptulla</b>. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

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<b>India disappointed over Saddam execution</b> <!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->"After all, India is not a significant player in the region, and it is no point expressing anger at a done deed," the official said.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
They should read real history book, they have compleyly forgotten civilization link between Iraq and India.
They are dreaming to be super power.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->"It is our hope that the sentence will not be carried out and the former President's life would be spared," MEA spokesman Navtej Sarna said on Tuesday, after the appeals court upheld the guilty verdict delivered by the tribunal on November 5.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

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<b>Chance for Saddam to get moksha </b><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Bangalore: Devotees from South India believe that Saddam Hussein has a good chance of attaining salvation, as he was hanged on auspicious day of Vaikuntha Ekadashi.

“It's believed that if get darshan of god and receives mercy on this day, can reach the abode of god quickly,” said Iskcon Vice-President in Bangalore Chanchalapathi Das

Though he ran out of luck in Iraq, Hindu priests believe there's still hope for Saddam, in the afterlife. Saddam died on Vaikuntha Ekadashi, which is auspicious for attaining salvation.

“It's coincidental that on this day he was hanged – it's an auspicious day. There’s some benefit for his soul. Not that all his sins will be pardoned, but it's good fortune that he'll get blessings of god. It’s not that whatever your sins you'll be promoted, but some good

<b>Devotees believe:
If you come here on Vaikunta Ekadashi, you'll go to heaven
Every one's sins will be forgiven
If he really repents for his sins, he'll be forgiven
You’ll get moksha</b><!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

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<b>Cell-phone video of Saddam hanging emer</b>ges

<b>Warning : Raw hanging video</b>
http://youtube.com/watch?v=O09Aufmt1sg

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http://news.yahoo.com/photos/ss/events/wl/.../xmq10312311113

http://news.yahoo.com/photos/ss/events/wl/.../xmq10112311112

Indian Muslims shout slogans against U.S. President George W. Bush to protest Saddam Hussein's execution in New Delhi, India, Sunday, Dec. 31, 2006. Muslim and communist groups in India held angry protests and the government said it was disappointed by the execution of the former Iraqi president.

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A man holds a picture of executed former Iraqi President Saddam Hussein as he shouts slogans near a burning effigy of U.S. President George Bush during a protest against Saddam's hanging, in the northern Indian city of Chandigarh, December 31, 2006.

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Kashmiri protesters burn an effigy of U. S. President George W. Bush during a protest against the execution Saturday of former Iraqi president Saddam Hussein, in Jammu December 31, 2006.


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Activists from different non-governmental organizations (NGOs) light earthen lamps to protest in Lahore December 31, 2006 against the execution of former Iraqi President Saddam Hussein. Saddam was buried in the dead of night in his home village on Sunday after his body was transported there by U.S. forces following his hanging, prompting an outpouring of grief and anger from fellow Sunni Arabs.

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<b>Former Saddam judge says execution violates Iraqi law </b><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Amin also claimed that Iraqi law stipulates an execution must be carried out 30 days after the appeal court's decision on the sentencing, which in this case upheld the death sentence of Saddam.

But in ratifying the death sentence on December 26, the appeals chamber insisted that the law stipulated the sentence be implemented within 30 days.
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<b>It was my job to keep Saddam alive</b>` <!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Ellis checked on Saddam twice a day and wrote a daily report on Saddam's physical and emotional condition. Saddam told Ellis that cigars and coffee kept his blood pressure down, and it seemed to work. Saddam would insist that Ellis smoke with him.

Ellis said Saddam did not complain much, and, when he did, his complaint was usually legitimate. "He had very good coping skills," Ellis said.

Saddam shared with Ellis memories of happier times when his children were young. The former dictator described telling the youngsters bedtime stories and giving his daughter half a Tums tablet when she had a stomach ache.

When he was allowed short visits outside, Saddam would feed the birds crusts of bread saved from his meals. He also watered a dusty plot of weeds.

<b>"He said he was a farmer when he was young and he never forgot where he came from," </b>Ellis said. When Ellis told Saddam he had to leave for America because his brother was dying, Saddam hugged him and said he would be Ellis' brother. "I was there to help him, and he respected that," Ellis said. Saddam never discussed dying and expressed no regrets about his rule.

<b>"He said everything he did was for Iraq," Ellis said. "One day when I went to see him, he asked why we invaded. Well, he made gestures like shooting a machine gun and asked why soldiers came and shot up the place. He said the laws in Iraq were fair and the weapons inspectors didn't find anything."</b> <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

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<b>WB: Teenager hangs self over Saddam`s execution </b><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Kolkata, Jan 04: A 15-year-old girl from Kharda district hanged herself in response to the execution of Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein on Thursday.

"She said they had hanged a patriot. We didn`t take her seriously when she told us that she wanted to feel the pain Saddam did during the execution," the girl`s father, Manmohan Karmakar, said.

He said his daughter, Moon Moon, had become extremely depressed after watching Saddam`s execution on television.

<b>"She kept watching the scene over and again and didn`t take food on Saturday and Sunday to protest the hanging," </b>he said.

Police Superintendent Pravin Kumar confirmed the suicide, saying the girl had strung herself up from a ceiling fan and was found dead early on Wednesday.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Height of Stupidty.

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<b>For Saddam, SP attacks Indians </b><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Agra: Samajwadi Party workers on Thursday attacked a tourist bus in Agra while protesting against the execution of former Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein.

The workers threw stones at the bus thinking it was carrying foreign tourists but inside were Indians from Goa who had come to visit the Taj Mahal.

A guide was injured and tourists, who were on their way to the Taj after visiting Fatehpur Sikri, cowered under seats as party workers shouted slogans against the US
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<b>Wearing black ribbons and holding placards, protesters took out marches in Aligarh, Shravasti, Bahraich, Hardoi Varanasi and other places</b>.

In Lucknow, party MP Bhagwati Singh demanded that the execution of Bush.

In Unnao, party activists tried to shut down shops leading to incidents of stone pelting. The situation was, however, under control due to deployment of police force.

<b>Party MP Akhilesh Yadav, who is the Chief Minister Mulayam Singh Yadav, led the protest in his constituency Kannauj.</b>
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They should either go to Iraq or in front of embassy, why hitting Indians?

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<!--QuoteBegin-Bodhi+Dec 30 2006, 04:56 AM-->QUOTE(Bodhi @ Dec 30 2006, 04:56 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->In a short clip on CNN, they showed him wearing a white angavastram-like cloth just like a Brahmin or Shwetambar Jain.
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Bodhi, We need to look at the whole sequence of events. The sentence, the carrying it out on that day, his calmness and the attire that you mention. Looks like to me he has become 'Ishmael'.

Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ishmael

Maybe a new Middle East will come together from this.

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The burden is as heavy as ever -> we are bringing the civilization to these uncivilized peoples.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jh...1/04/do0401.xml

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Was this what we fought for? Is this really the lesson in human rights and Western values we hoped to deliver to the people of Iraq? This wasn't justice.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

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<!--QuoteBegin-ramana+Jan 4 2007, 09:33 AM-->QUOTE(ramana @ Jan 4 2007, 09:33 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Maybe a new Middle East will come together from this.
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I doubt this. By the time they are through with 'Iraq' or what is left of it, the 'Iraqis' will hate themselves. We are seeing the replay of the british-imperial-policy, the same playbook, changed slightly to accomodate new times.

This seems to be the beginnings of the 'exit' plan.

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But doesnt that assume that ME people dont learn anyhing new? Let us wait and see. Yes there will be an increase in the violence in the immediate future but once the dust settles it could lead to a vista. The people there have a habit of surprising the world. They have given the world three religions that survive to date- Judaism, Christianity and Islam.

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<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--> increase in the violence in the immediate future but once the dust settles it could lead to a vista.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
It may take decades and huge population loss.