Christian subversion and missionary activities

Bharatvarsh · 01-21-2007, 03:51 AM

Husky the topic of syrian xtian treason is more appropriate for this thread, here is the complete info:
QUOTEVasco da Gama arrived at Calicut in 1498 with the help of an Arab pilot. He was a clever navigator and one of history's most brutal men,[29] but he was not very bright when it came to religion. He thought Calicut was a Christian city and returned to Portugal with the impression that the temples he had prayed in were churches. Catholic historians still argue that he saw two hundred thousand Christians on his first visit to Malabar, when in fact he had seen only Hindus whose piety he had unwittingly praised and whose wealth he coveted for his own.

Vasco da Gama's mistake was corrected when he returned to Malabar in 1502 and was met by a deputation of Syrian Christians. They identified themselves, surrendered their ancient honours and documents, and invited him to make war on their Hindu king.

George Menachery, a Catholic apologist and former adviser to the Kerala State Department of Archaeology, in Kodungallur: City of St. Thomas, writes, "They presented him a Rod of Justice and swore allegiance to the Portuguese king and implored Portuguese protection. The Admiral received them very kindly and promised all help and protection. The significance of this event is variously interpreted by historians."

Indeed it isâbut only Catholic historians prevaricate on why this high-ranking community of merchants and soldiers had turned on their king in this perfidious way.

K.M. Panikkar, in Malabar and the Portuguese, writes, "More than this, they suggested to [Vasco da Gama] that with their help he should conquer the Hindu kingdoms and invited him to build a fortress for this purpose in Cranganore. This was the recompense which the Hindu rajas received for treating with liberality and kindness the Christians in their midst."

The Syrians had of course acted on the exigencies of their Christian religion, which harbours in its heart a demon that divides mankind into friend and foe on ideological grounds. King Shapur of Persia had not been mistaken about the allegiances of his Christian subjects in the fourth century.

The Syrian Christians would soon come to grief for their treachery. The Portuguese regarded them as heretics and schismatics who were no better in True Religion than their Hindu neighbours. They had come with cannon and a papal mandate to instruct the inhabitants of the land in the Catholic faith and this included non-Roman Christians. Their arrival and that of the first Jesuit missionary Francis Xavier, in 1542, turned Christianity in India into a violent and destructive political force that continues to operate in the country till today.

After 1502, the Syrian Christians and Roman Catholic Church embarked on a confrontation. It went on for decades and was aggravated by the activities of the Jesuits. In 1653 a Syrian bishop was burned at the stake at Goa by the Inquisitionâwhich had been invited into the country by Francis Xavier himself. The confrontation only began to subside with the decline of Portuguese power, as the Pope and the Jesuits were both dependant on Portuguese arms to enforce their will. A compromise was eventually reached between the Catholic Church and the Syrian Christians, and various oriental rite churches came into being. But whatever the arrangements or relationship with Rome, the Jesuits, true to their evil genius, had succeeded in destroying the Syrian Christian community in India. There is some justice in this fate, for had the Syrian Christians remained true to their country and king, they would have remained a happy, respected and united community.

http://hamsa.org/09.htm
So our modern day thomas is just continuing the long tradition of treachery handed down by his ancestors.

Husky · (This post was last modified: 01-21-2007, 05:30 AM by Husky.)

QUOTEHusky the topic of syrian xtian treason is more appropriate for this thread, here is the complete infoI've moved it to post 52 of thread 'Thomas in India?'

But did move the following here from Harvard ethics: an oxymoron, as it is more appropriate here

http://www.christianaggression.org/item_di...S&id=1111451833
QUOTEThe National Socialist Council of Nagaland (NSCN) is funded and armed by World Council of Churches.'National Socialist'? Typically christo. Don't they know that a famous German political ideology and its associated party were 'National Socialist' (NSDAP, in English this is National Socialist Democratic Workers Party) - shortened to its more famous form of 'Nazism'. And do they behave like nazis? Oh yes, because I find in the same article:
QUOTEWith the support of Christian Missionaries, terrorist organizations like NLFT and NSCN are spreading terror in parts of North-East India to convert the whole of North-East states to Christianity at gunpoint. Gun point conversions are going on in Assam, Arunachal Pradesh, Nagaland, Manipur, and Meghalaya. NSCN has already succeeded in Nagaland to convert masses to Christianity and asking "Nagaland for Christ" and still fighting for a greater Nagaland called Nagalim. NLFT is in process of having a repeat of NSCN in Tripura.Christians are always the same, whatever their background. Whether they are nazi Germany's christians or christians in India or in Rome - they're all genocidal maniacs bent upon terrorism. It's their religion. Christoislamism in general does this to the people it has swallowed up.

01-21-2007, 11:26 PM

BIRD petition - Christians against proselytism

Husky · (This post was last modified: 01-22-2007, 08:08 AM by Husky.)

Feel these two have somewhat in common:
QUOTEBIRD petition - Christians against proselytism
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MIRWAIZ Omar Farooqâs declaration at Islamabad on Friday after a series of meetings with Pakistani leaders, including the President, that since armed struggle in Held Kashmir and political and diplomatic efforts to resolve the dispute had not paid off, there was a need to give up the freedom fight and carry out fruitful negotiations with India, mirrors his defeatist attitude. It was almost unbelievable to hear him say, âWe are not prepared to sacrifice any more of our loved onesâ[right][snapback]63345[/snapback][/right]
Terroristan relinquishing fighting for Kashmir? Christians against proselytising India? Could it be because current 'Indian' government is creating the required Mughalistan to hand it over to Terroristan on a platter? After all, they are making the Hindu population into dhimmis by having declared to give 1st access to resources to Muslims and other minorities (as long as they are only christians), officially recognising 4 islamoterrrorist holidays and only 2 Hindu holidays out of the many major Hindu festivals, planning to sign away Siachen to Terroristan, give loser Jinnah's house to Terroristan (when the house is located in India), letting Bangladeshi islamoterrorists into the country while banning Hindu refugees from Terroristan, letting Bangladeshi army slowly take over Indian land in the border regions, and lots more.
Next to that, the Sonia government is already active working on all the anti-Hindu activities that are required by missionaries, as well as allowing proselytisation (funding it in the case of some southern states) and in doing international psy-ops against the majority Hindu population.

Since this is the case after all, why would Terroristan pursue an agenda of fighting for Kashmir, when traitor Indian government is offering them a large chunk of India as 'Mughalistan' besides giving them access to terrorism in non-Mughalistan Karnataka (organised by the ever-reliable congress party)? And all with no islamics' blood shed?
And why would Indian christos still need to loudly insist in public on proselytisation when the government is already aiding them and foreign missionaryterrorists with the same? (After all, to go forth and spread the Good News is an imperative in christoterrorism - it's their gawd-commanded duty. If they say no to proselytising, they are either not as christian as they ought to be, or they have another reason and they'll do it anyway while saying they won't, or their opposition to proselytisation is actually against Hindu organisations doing reconversions.) Anyway, converting the 'lower castes and dalits' (duping them) is no longer their only goal. It's expanded to the rest of the Hindu population, which knows more about how christoterrorism works and isn't won over by dangling free rice nor is it likely to be impressed by a religion that stoops to such low means to convert. Christian-owned 'secular' businesses where everyone, including Hindu personnel, are stuck having to go to boring prayers and join in the 'secular' (with a coincidentally christian flavour) activities is the next thing. And for making christianity appealing to the rest of the Hindu masses, it would appear best to oppose forced conversions, for a while at least. Conversion by any means has always been their motto (there was no shame in them admitting this before), and if that calls for backing off temporarily from the most visible and grotesque means of proselytising, then they'll do it with the pomp and ceremony required for all to notice.

If I was a christoterrorist, I would act in the same way: 'look how we were all against forced proselytisation - see exhibit A, the Petition. Yet isn't it a Gawdsend, a complete and unforeseen miracle how India got converted to christoislamic terrorism anyway? Glory!'

Bodhi · (This post was last modified: 01-22-2007, 08:16 AM by Bodhi.)

Google Video: the mission work of composer Dr. Randall Giles in Chennai, India.

Especially pay attention to how he learns Hindu music to plagiarize into "Indian Christian Music", also how amicably he is welcomed into a temple, and he then says in video that this is a temple of the goddess, which has a 'more' sinister face that of temple prostitution.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=...2865965654

01-22-2007, 07:55 AM

Modern pagans honor Zeus in Athens QUOTEChristianity rose to prominence in Greece in the 4th century after Roman Emperor Constantine's conversion. Emperor Theodosius wiped out the last vestige of the Olympian gods when he abolished theÂ Â Â Â Olympic Games in A.D. 394. Several isolated pockets of pagan worship lingered as late as the 9th century.

"The Christians shut down our schools and destroyed our temples," said Yiannis Panagidis, a 36-year-old accountant at the ceremony.

Most Greeks are baptized Orthodox Christians, and the church rejects ancient religious practices as pagan. Church officials have refused to attend flame ceremony re-enactments at Olympia before the Olympic Games because Apollo, the ancient god of light, is invoked.

Unlike the monotheistic religions of Christianity, Judaism and Islam, the old religion lacked written ethical guidelines, but its gods were said to strike down mortals who displayed excessive pride or "hubris" â a recurring theme in the tragedies of Euripides and other ancient writers.

"We do not believe in dogmas and decrees, as the other religions do. We believe in freedom of thought," Stathopoulos said.

01-22-2007, 07:58 AM

QUOTETerroristan relinquishing fighting for Kashmir? Christians against proselytising India? Could it be because current 'Indian' government is creating the required Mughalistan to hand it over to Terroristan on a platter?
Constantine is President of Congress party, all her advisers are Muslims or Christians. Whole team paid by outsiders are doing what Britishers failed to do in 1947. Fools are sitting in India and justifying nonsense, first sign of Dimmitude, cowardness and shame.

Bharatvarsh · 01-22-2007, 10:21 PM

QUOTEBurma 'orders Christians to be wiped out'
By Peter Pattisson in Kayin State, southern Burma, Sunday Telegraph
Last Updated: 12:02am GMT 21/01/2007

The military regime in Burma is intent on wiping out Christianity in the country, according to claims in a secret document believed to have been leaked from a government ministry. Entitled "Programme to destroy the Christian religion in Burma", the incendiary memo contains point by point instructions on how to drive Christians out of the state.

The text, which opens with the line "There shall be no home where the Christian religion is practised", calls for anyone caught evangelising to be imprisoned. It advises: "The Christian religion is very gentle â identify and utilise its weakness."

Its discovery follows widespread reports of religious persecution, with churches burnt to the ground, Christians forced to convert to the state religion, Buddhism, and their children barred from school.

Human rights groups claim that the treatment meted out to Christians, who make up six per cent of the population, is part of a wider campaign by the regime, also targeted at ethnic minority tribes, to create a uniform society in which the race and language is Burmese and the only accepted religion is Buddhism.

In the past year, an estimated 27,000 members of the predominantly Christian Karen tribe were driven from their homes in eastern Burma.

In Koh Kyi village, in Arakan State, a monk backed by the military burnt down the local church. In another state, 300 monks were allegedly sent by the regime to forcibly convert the populace, all of whom belonged to the Chin ethnic group, which is mostly Christian.

The document, shown to The Sunday Telegraph by human rights groups, may have been produced by a state-sponsored Buddhist group, but with the tacit approval of the military junta. The regime has denied authorship of the document â which also calls for teenagers to be prevented from wearing Western clothes â but has made no public attempt to refute or repudiate its contents.

The dictatorship has long been accused of large-scale human rights abuses. In power since 1988, the generals annulled the National League for Democracy's sweeping 1990 election victory and jailed its leader, the Nobel peace prize-winner Aung San Suu Kyi. She remains under house arrest. Last week she was accused of tax evasion for failing to hand over any of her Nobel prize winnings to the authorities.

Eha Hsar Paw, a Karen Christian, who fled her village while heavily pregnant to a refugee camp near the border with Thailand, said: "The journey here was very difficult. It was hard to leave our village, but if we had stayed there we would all be dead."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml...21/wburma21.xml
Why don't they show the same zeal when reporting about NFLT's call for forced conversion of the Tripura tribals or "Nagaland for Christ".

**acharya** · 01-23-2007, 01:14 AM

This is a true account of my visit to Andhra Pradesh this week
Posted by: "AH Venkitesh" ahvenkitesh@gmail.com viji123
Thu Jan 18, 2007 8:44 am (PST)
This was posted in orkut Hinduism Reloaded community by a Gurudutt

http://www.orkut. com/CommMsgs. aspx?cmm= 21896160& tid=250936705254 0275265

This is a true account of my visit to Andhra Pradesh this week. On 7th jan
I took off to Mantralayam a famous pilgrimage centre in AP. Mantralayam is
in Adoni district and is surrounded by poor villages.It is the holy place
where the great saint Sri Raghvendra swami entered jeevanta (alive) Samadhi
after performing 12 years of penance. A large number of devotees from
various parts of the country visit this sacred place every year.

I reached Mantralayam on 8th afternoon. I visited the temple premises and
then rented a room in the temple. Then I took of to the sacred place
Panchamukhi where Swami performed .penance for 12 years and were blessed
with the darshan of Lord Hanuman.
Mantralayam is a well connected town with good mobile network and transport
facilities. I hired a Rickshaw to Panchamukhi. A small village at 21 Km from
Mantralayam.

As we reached the outskirts of Mantralayam I saw a hamlet full of Christian
houses and a small church freshly painted in white. All houses were
distinctly marked with huge Crosses on doors and an image of Christ on every
house. I dismissed it as the local Christian population. Then as we moved
some 5 Km I saw another huge church with many Christian houses surrounding
it. Now I grew curious and started closely observing all the houses aside
the road. Majority of the houses were freshly decorated with colorful frills
and Happy Christmas Slogans, a remainder of the Christmas celebratioins. Now
we were at the entrance of Panchamukhi village with a huge Gopuram greeting
us. But I grew nervous at the site of a huge Church under construction here
with a big Red Cross hung atop.

I looked inside the autorickshaw and saw a photo of Lord Krishna pasted on
the top. I found hope and asked the driver in hindi why were so many
churches being built in this area. He replied in typical Andhra tone
addressing me as "Sir", he said "Sir every village in this district has more
then one church. Some villages have 100% Christian population. Foreign se
bahut paisa aata hai( Lot of money flows from foreign). They (missionaries)
build new houses for poor and give them vehicles like jeeps and rickshas for
a living. Sir this region is very poor and farmers have gone bankrupt due to
scant rains". He became quiet and I felt frustrated and the silence
continued. I visited the Panchmukhi temple , a peaceful and serene place.
While returning by the same road I again came across the Christian areas.
The houses of the converts were newly and well built. The church was abuzz
with activity with a huge crowd gathered in the compound. A old temple , few
yards away was in a shabby and locked state.

The same night I took a train for Titupati , the abode of Lord
Venkateshwara. I intended to get down at Renigunta Junction ,10 Km away from
Tirupati. As My train neared the Renigunta station I was greeted by the
glimpse of a huge Red colored Cross atop a newly built church. I reached
Tirumala by Bus and completed the darshan by evening. Then I returned to
Tirupati and visited Padmavati temple. Since I had few hours still left for
my train back to Mumbai, I visited the still being built, magnificent
Krishna temple of ISKCON. While returning from the interiors of the Tirupati
town by auto rickshaw I was shocked to see a huge Church named JAGANMATHA
CHURCH, the same one which we saw in the conversion video.

I am sure that Andhra Pradesh has atleast 40% Christians in the interior
remote areas.
I prayed to Lord Venkateshwara to help us stop this menace which is
destroying sanatana dharma and sanatana culture.

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Here is the the abstract of *184 pages* Ph D thesis:

This dissertation acknowledges the need for Church PlantingMovements among the unreached peoples of India. *Of particular concern to this study is the application of Church Planting Movement strategy to forward caste Hindus of India. * It traces the historical development of group or people movement strategy and then compares that strategy with traditional missionary approaches in India. It shows that evangelizing households is the primary strategy of the New Testament and the most appropriate strategy for initiating Church Planting Movements. The thesis carefully examines salvation understanding in the Hindu context and its relationship to the caste system. All of this lays a foundation for a proper approach to evangelization of forward caste Hindus in light of the fact that there have been no documented Church Planting Movements among forward caste Hindus in all of India.

*The paper concludes that the best approach to facilitating a Church Planting Movement among forward caste Hindus is by not planting churches.* As
contradictory as this sounds, the paper shows that Christian disciples remaining within Hindu culture and familial systems holds the potential for the most indigenous approach to establishing multiplying churches among forward caste Hindus.
**
Regards,
Satya

01-23-2007, 02:01 AM

www.foxnews.com/story/0,2...78,00.html

Vatican AG Reports Crime at Holy See Running at Biblical Proportions 
Monday, January 22, 2007
Think of the most crime-ridden place on Earth and what comes to mind: Sao Paulo, Brazil? Lagos, Nigeria? The Bronx, New York?

Try the Vatican. The small nation-city ruled by Pope Benedict XVI apparently sees more criminal cases per capita than any other part of the world, the German magazine Spiegel reports.

That's according to statistics released by the Vatican's attorney general, Nicola Picardi.

In 2006, the tiny nation's justice department had to contend with 341 civil and 486 criminal cases. With a population of 492, that measures out to 1.5 cases per person â 20 times the corresponding rate in Italy.

Another surprising statistic about the rampant crime in the Vatican is that it exists despite a security force that would put a police state to shame. The seat of the Catholic Church has one Swiss guard for every four citizens, plus museum guards and police assigned to the Vatican by the Italian government.

Picardi said most criminal cases were matters of purse-snatching or pickpocketing. The rest amounted to other petty crimes like fraud and forgery, committed by a handful of the 18 million pilgrims and tourists who visit St. Peter's Cathedral, St. Peter's Square and the Vatican museums every year.

According to the Vatican, about 90 percent of these crimes go unpunished because it is easy for the perpetrators to slip across the border into Italy, which is just a few yards away.

Even if it were able to catch and prosecute every pickpocket, the Vatican would have to send them to Italy to serve out their sentences, since it has no prison system.

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Husky · (This post was last modified: 02-16-2007, 08:21 AM by Husky.)

QUOTEThe military regime in Burma is intent on wiping out Christianity in the country, according to claims in a secret document believed to have been leaked from a government ministry. Entitled "Programme to destroy the Christian religion in Burma", the incendiary memo contains point by point instructions on how to drive Christians out of the state.

The text, which opens with the line "There shall be no home where the Christian religion is practised", calls for anyone caught evangelising to be imprisoned. It advises: "The Christian religion is very gentle â identify and utilise its weakness."QUOTEHuman rights groups claim that the treatment meted out to Christians, who make up six per cent of the population, is part of a wider campaign by the regime, also targeted at ethnic minority tribes, to create a uniform society in which the race and language is Burmese and the only accepted religion is Buddhism.Burma is considered an inconvertible country, the foothold of christianity there is so minimal, they need all the funds and missionaries that they can get. No one knows what is happening in Burma. I think it not improbable that christoterrorists working in the telegraph or whoever came up with this news article - seems like manufactured news, an advertisement to attract all those missionaries-on-fire-for-christ, who love nothing better than proselytising in countries where they think their lives will be in terrible danger. It's christoislamism's sado-masochistic fetish: many southern Baptist and other evangelicals in the US love the idea of christians being persecuted (they feel it vindicates their faith), and the worse this imagined persecution is, the more attractive it is to them.

More indication that this news is manufactured by a christoterrorist advertising Burma as a worthwhile challenge for the harvest:
'The Christian religion is very gentle' - ask Buddhists in Korea, Taiwan, Thailand or Japan whether they think this is remotely true. All those I know swear this is the most violent religion (the Thai think Islam is just the same). Methinks people in Buddhist Burma wouldn't believe this 'christianity is gentle' nonsense either, and the so-called document they found is probably one of the many christian forgeries: a cry of international colonial help to secure Burma for christ.
Buddhism is the very gentle religion in the comparison (the natural religions of southern and eastern parts of Asia are in general). Only a christian would pretend that 'the gentle christian religion' is being ruthlessly persecuted by the 'evil Buddhist religion'.

The Burmese army is purging Burma of many people, but I doubt they care enough about christianity to bother targetting them specifically on account of their 'gentle' religion. Christianity is often marked as an undesirable, but not exclusively so. Only christians feel especially selected for what they consider 'an honour'. Self-conceit.
QUOTEThe document, shown to The Sunday Telegraph by human rights groups,Most of these 'human rights groups' are just the usual lying christian rights groups. Why won't The Telegraph spell out the name of this organisation? They probably created a forged document, out of frustration that even in a time of war and turmoil in Buddhist Burma, they are unable to make rice christians.

The whole story is so convenient: 'Help brave Christians of the world! Evil Buddhist Burma is still mostly unconverted. And it is trying to cruelly exterminate/drive out christians from their country, trying to make it completely Buddhist again. (Implicit Smile

All those who know that the Good News must be spread no matter the consequences, need to sneak into unconverted Burma and stem the tide.'

QUOTEHuman rights groups claim that the treatment meted out to Christians, who make up six per cent of the population, is part of a wider campaign by the regime, also targeted at ethnic minority tribes, to create a uniform society in which the race and language is Burmese and the only accepted religion is Buddhism.

In the past year, an estimated 27,000 members of the predominantly Christian Karen tribe were driven from their homes in eastern Burma.What is this hobby that the christian west has that it always needs to identify numerous tribes, in all the unconverted Asian, African and South American nations. In India, the various Hindu communities are 'ethnically distinct' and are not Hindu or related to the rest. Each 'caste' (I suppose they mean jati) is a separate ethnicity to the christosracists. In Vietnam, they identify numerous 'tribes' yet again - all 'animist' (actually part of a long-standing Vietnamese natural religion often with significant Hindu and Buddhist influences), meaning they can be converted separately. Then in Indonesia, Papua New Guinea - same thing. Nepal too: the 'upper castes' are the 'Hindoos'. Then there's some who are Buddist. But the others in Nepal are labelled the 'indigenous, individual ethnic tribes' who are all 'animistics' - in christian parlance: they want converting to (communism then) christianity. And now in Burma: the christoterrorists tell the world that the Burmese want to create an ethnically and religiously homogeneous country. And they equate ethnicity and religion too: the christian Karen tribe. So, were they christian forever? No - the tribe was specifically targetted for conversion at some point. It's probably a legitimate tribe that was induced into christoterrorism. Doesn't make the tribe itself christian. It ought to be described as 'The Karen tribe, all whose members are now converted to Ze True Religion'.

Yes there are many tribes all over the world, especially in ancient countries and continents, untouched by christoislamic terrorism (or those that survived this). But then, Europe is one and all tribes: Germany is wholly made up of tribes that only got together very, very recently. But they are all Germans aren't they? No one questions their religious or ethnic affiliation on account of their separate historic tribal affiliation?
So why is it only us happy unconverted people get labelled as 'separate ethnic groups', therefore each having 'identities separate from the rest', which somehow apparently translates into 'separate religious identities' - making the unconverted nations seem disparate entities only held together by inertia - waiting for the saving 'grace' of jeebus (actually, this is harvesting 'graze' by cannibal christoterrorists) to bring christianity which we must imagine will 'finally' unify these countries. Christianity is always divisive, it's how it operates. It always identifies tribes (only among unconverted people), puts people into separate boxes so it can dissect them one by one. Hateful religion.

Texas used to be an independent republic until recently. There are some separatists there who want their state to become independent again. Using christoterrorist logic: the Texan tribe obviously wants to be free from America which is going towards a uniform christian identity. Now all that is required is to forge some document to this effect, set up several human rights groups that will remain anonymous in news reports, and then send out a call for world Buddhists to descend on Texas to prevent the Buddhists there from being persecuted and to ensure further expansion of Buddhist Dharma. (Actually, this version is largely true. There is a significant Buddhist presence of locals in Texas and not all of them feel at home there anymore because of christoterrorism.)

On another note: post 205
QUOTEEspecially pay attention to how he (missionary, christoterrorist) learns Hindu music to plagiarize into "Indian Christian Music"There is no Indian christian music, no Indian christian culture. There is only christians in India with appropriated culture. Their religion being historically alien to our country, and the continent (unless one includes the Middle-East in 'Asia'), they have developed nothing themselves in India or elsewhere in Asia that was not stolen from us or the other natural religionists of Asia. Indian christians want to be seen as having a culture that westerners think of as highly-cultured, innovative, unique, local. There is no such thing, of course, so the christoterroristsfeel it incumbent upon them to create a better and deeper identity for their christian selves by (besides resorting to name theft) stealing other aspects of specifically Hindu culture. But even the knowledgeable people in the west are laughing at them: at their appropriated names, clothes, pretences to Hindu culture they wrongly think is 'Indian' or even have the gall to label as 'Indian christian'.
Why don't they invent something instead, or failing that, why don't they just merge into western culture, which they after all (wrongly) imagine has something to do with christianity.

Shambhu · 01-23-2007, 04:44 AM

Since the christos want to labels people ("animists" etc), why not give the crtistos the label they deserve" FICTISTS...Worshippers of fiction.. <!--emo& Tongue

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01-23-2007, 12:38 PM

I am a little suspicious of this BS Reddy. Are they trying to glorify a missionary like tamil's GU pope?

Can anyone with telugu knowledge throw some light on this brown? thanks

QUOTE122 years later, Telugu literary compiler returns

Omer Farooq | Hyderabad

The lovers and connoisseurs of Telugu language and literature are finally able to see one of their esteemed benefactor's face. For the first time the photograph of Charles Philip Brown, a prominent British civil servant who worked in Kadapa region and contributed immensely to the conservation of Telugu manuscripts and promote Telugu language and poetry, has been discovered by a Telugu scholar in a remote village of Chittoor district.
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CP Brown, who died in 1884 and was popularly called Brown Dora among Telugus, won the hearts and respect of the people by his contributions like compilation of a Telugu dictionary called Brownayya Nighavantuvu. He had also played a significant role in the publication of the poetry of Vemana, the legendary Telugu poet.

But one thing which always rankled the hearts of the lovers of Telugu language and literature was the absence of any photograph of Brown and they knew him only through some imaginary sketches and paintings of the man drawn on the basis of some verbal records.

However after painstaking search of many years, a Telugu scholar, BS Reddy traced the black and white photo of Brown Dora at the house of Sanjivigari Subba Rao of Yellutla village under Gorrkaunda Mandal of Chittoor district.

BS Reddy said that he came to know from Saligrama Srinivascharyulu about the presence of the photograph of PC Brown along with the three other persons during one of his visits to Vayalapadu and procured with his help from Yellutla village. Five palm leaf manuscripts were also collected from the same village.

The Telugu scholars and literateurs are immensely happy that more than 122 years after his death, PC Brown has come back to 'life' for them.

01-23-2007, 01:56 PM

>Can anyone with telugu knowledge throw some light on this brown? thanks

He was colonial administrator in Cuddapah region. He compiled Telugu-English dictionary. What ever his/colonial motivation may be, it is a good book. More importantly, he collated Vemana (Vema Reddy - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vemana) moral poems from various written and oral sources in and around Cuddapah region. That is his greatest contribution to Telugu literature.

I don't think there was any evangelical motivation surrounding his linguistic works. He learned Telugu as part of Colonial govt order to learn local languages.
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Philip_Brown

01-23-2007, 09:48 PM

Thanks shyam.

QUOTE(shyam @ Jan 23 2007, 04:26 AM)>Can anyone with telugu knowledge throw some light on this brown? thanks

He was colonial administrator in Cuddapah region.Â He compiled Telugu-English dictionary. What ever his/colonial motivation may be, it is a good book. More importantly, he collated Vemana (Vema Reddy - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vemana) moral poems from various written and oral sources in and around Cuddapah region. That is his greatest contribution to Telugu literature.

I don't think there was any evangelical motivation surrounding his linguistic works. He learned Telugu as part of Colonial govt order to learn local languages.
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Philip_Brown
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01-25-2007, 06:35 PM

Jesus in 'yogic posture' to adorn church hallQUOTEKOLLAM (KERALA): In a fusion of Indian and Western spiritual streams, an idol of Jesus Christ resembling the Buddha meditating under a 'bodhi' tree is to be consecrated in a Church prayer hall at a lakeside hamlet near here shortly.

The idol in golden-and-copper hues installed in the meditation hall named 'Jagat Jyoti Mandir', built by the Catholic church at Parimanam village, depicts the Christ sitting cross-legged in 'padmasanam' posture with his right hand raised showing the 'yogic mudra' and the left hand resting on the lap as Hindu and Buddhist sages are often depicted in Indian art for centuries.

The mantra 'aum yeshu christuve namaha', echoing the vedic invocation of the supreme being, has been displayed prominently in the prayer hall."It is an attempt in incarnating the Christian experience in the religious ethos of India by bringing about a blending of Western and Indian art forms to transfuse the Christian theology in Indian motifs. The mandir will provide the right ambience for meditation," said Fr Romance Antony, Director of the Quilon Service Society under the Kollam
Catholic diocese.

Set on the sylvan banks of the Ashtamudi lake, the mandir was also designed as a place to promote inter-religious dialogue through meditation, prayer and conventions, he said.

A granite block resembling a natural rock has been placed before the idol where the priests would be performing the mass by sitting near it.

Above the idol is a painting depicting the Last Supper, again employing Indian motifs. The painting shows the Christ and the 12 apostles sitting on the floor cross-legged with banana leaves spread out before them for the bread and wine to be served.

Two traditional 'nilavilakkus', the bellmetal lamps used in the Hindu temples in Kerala, have been placed to light up the hall, dispensing with the western candles.

The mandir would be declared opened by Bishop Stanly Roman of the Kollam diocese on January 26.


Could some experts here analyse this?

Shambhu · 01-25-2007, 07:33 PM

Re above

I am no expert, but I think this is part of the ongoing conversion party by the Vatican. Move in and slowly displace their traditions is the MO. Now, I would love see people ask the following in the church:

Who was Yeshu praying to?

If converted father says Vishnu, Q is :why do we need him to pray for us when we pray direclty to Vishnu? And how come Yeshu is not mentioned in our scriptures?

If converted father says Gawd of the White Guys (or words to that effect), then Q is: that is wierd! Father, cast off your delusions and become Hindu instead of trying to legitimize a fictional b@stard child.

Bharatvarsh · 01-25-2007, 07:57 PM

QUOTECould some experts here analyse this? 
Part of the inculturation strategy to subvert dharma, this strategy pays great dividends among the illiterate because they think xtianity is just like other Indian religions by seeing all these outward display's.

The strategy is to slowly delink even 100% Hindu practices from Hinduism and appropriate them as their own, "xtian yoga" and "xtian bharatanatyam" are an example.

Take Onam in Kerala, it's a pukka Hindu regional festival based on the Mahabali story but today it's called "Kerala festival" or "Malayalee festival" and anyone trying to reassert the festivals true meaning is branded a "Hindu communalist".

This is nothing new, look at all the pagan festivals and also philosophy that the xtians appropriated and now claim as their own, they have the same fate in mind for Hinduism.

I have more respect for the tablighis because atleast they don't mince words and are honest when they say that all the Indian culture influenced by Hindus is repulsive and should be disowned, but the church on the other hand uses our culture to subvert dharma and foolish RSS applauds this nonsense in their mouthpieces as an example of "Indianisation".

01-25-2007, 08:40 PM

This is how church is spreading hatred in N-East

01-26-2007, 02:37 PM

Yet another attempt by the church to imbibe hindu practices into christianity to make it more palatable to the Indians/Hindus. They tried this with "Christian Yoga," altering sacred vedic chants to praise jesus, and modifying the Gita to convince poor, gullible hindus that the message was all by christ and not by Krishna. And now, jesus has turned Buddha. What next?

QUOTEJesus in 'yogic posture' to adorn church hall

Kollam (Kerala), Jan 25: In a fusion of Indian and Western spiritual streams, an idol of Jesus Christ resembling the Buddha meditating under a 'bodhi' tree is to be consecrated in a Church prayer hall at a lakeside hamlet near here shortly.

The idol in golden-and-copper hues installed in the meditation hall named 'Jagat Jyoti Mandir', built by the Catholic church at Parimanam village, depicts the Christ sitting cross-legged in 'padmasanam' posture with his right hand raised showing the 'yogic mudra' and the left hand resting on the lap as Hindu and Buddhist sages are often depicted in Indian art for centuries.

The mantra "aum yeshu christuve namaha", echoing the vedic invocation of the supreme being, has been displayed prominently in the prayer hall.

"It is an attempt in incarnating the Christian experience in the religious ethos of India by bringing about a blending of Western and Indian art forms to transfuse the Christian theology in Indian motifs. The mandir will provide the right ambience for meditation," said Fr Romance Antony, Director of the Quilon Service Society under the Kollam Catholic diocese.

Set on the sylvan banks of the Ashtamudi lake, the mandir was also designed as a place to promote inter-religious dialogue through meditation, prayer and conventions, he said. 

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