Islamism - 6

Bharatvarsh · 01-26-2007, 11:24 PM

QUOTEFrench Muslim jailed for attacking gynaecologist
Reuters | Friday, 26 January 2007

PARIS: A French Muslim who attacked a male gynaecologist for examining his wife just after she had given birth, saying it was against Islam, has been jailed for six months by a Paris court.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/3940505a12.html
Similar to what happened in Kerala where the Muslim fanatics attacked a Hindu tailor because he was taking measurements from a Muslim woman for her clothes.

01-28-2007, 01:01 AM

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Now they are using teaching and American School system as a tool to convert.

Bharatvarsh · 01-28-2007, 09:24 AM

QUOTEMissing Muslim girl marries Hindu boy

Srinagar, Jan. 26: A Kashmiri Muslim girl reported missing for the past many weeks has entered into wedlock with a Hindu boy of Kathua near Jammu. According to records produced before an area court, the ceremony was solemnised in an Arya Samaj temple at Patiala in neighbouring Punjab on January 16 this year.

The couple had moved an application before the Kathua sub-judge, saying they had married of their own will and had sought the courtâs intervention in order to avoid inconvenience likely to be caused to them by their parents. They also prayed for an injunction against the defendants so that no interference would caused to them.

As per the application moved by the counsel for the couple, Shabana Yusuf Sofi, daughter of one Muhammad Yusuf Sofi of Srinagarâs Hazratbal area, had adopted Hinduism and been christened as Shivani after marrying Sandeep Kumar Verma, a resident of Harsdath Gagwal Tehsil Hiranagar in Kathua district. After hearing the arguments of the petitioners and defendants, the Kathua sub-judge, in his verdict, said that the "civil rights of the petitioners are under invasion from the defendants and if the same are not protected from the said interference/invasion, the petitioners shall be put to the irreparable loss and great hardship besides multiplicity of proceedings which cannot be compensated in terns of money." The court allowed the present application exparte in favour of the petitioners.

Local news agency KIP quoted Shivani and Sandeep as saying that a wrong link-up on the mobile resulted in a love affair between them. They said that for months, "we went on talking to each other on telephone". Sandeep said, "Ultimately we decided to marry." The girl was asked to reach Jammu where Sandeep would pick her up. Once the two met in Jammu, they fell in love and decided to leave for Punjab.

After solemnising their marriage in an Arya Samaj temple, they filed an application in the court of the sub-judge at Kathua and moved to Amritsar.

http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=36342

http://www.asianage.com/presentation/leftn...-hindu-boy.aspx

01-28-2007, 11:14 AM

Good going. I am happy Arya Samaj pataka is strong.

Husky · (This post was last modified: 01-29-2007, 05:34 AM by Husky.)

Post 63:
Arya Samaj is indeed wonderful, other centres of Hinduism ought to learn from them.

Nice romance (how they met and all), but wish that newspaper and web site had thought of keeping the couple anonymous (as is generally the case in Germany where every year a number of Turkish women elope with German men; even young Turkish girls run off with their non-muslim boyfriends). Else it could endanger the woman concerned and possibly her husband too. No news coverage at all would safeguard Arya Samaj temples from being scapegoated as well (say by frustrated islamics who can't find the couple).

Husky · (This post was last modified: 01-29-2007, 05:32 AM by Husky.)

http://au.news.yahoo.com/070128/2/127wu.html
QUOTEMonday January 29, 10:23 AM
Govt won't act against radical group: PM
The government cannot and will not act against radical Muslim group Hizb u-Tahrir until it's shown to have broken anti-terrorism laws, Prime Minister John Howard said.

Labor is calling for a ban after Indonesian firebrand cleric Ismail Yusanto outlined his vision for an Islamic superstate before a crowd of about 500 Muslims at Lakemba in Sydney.

Mr Howard told Southern Cross Broadcasting that people should be able to say ridiculous things without being accused of breaking the law.

"If they break the present anti-terrorist laws or indeed any other laws then they will be dealt with, but until there is sufficient evidence of that made available to the attorney-general, we can't, or shouldn't, act," he said.

"There is often a thin line between stupid extravagant language and language which is deliberately designed to incite violence ... or to threaten the security of the country.

"People can say a lot of ridiculous things and they should be able to say ridiculous things in a democracy without that language constituting violence and extreme incitement to violence."

Husky · (This post was last modified: 01-29-2007, 02:05 PM by Husky.)

Further developments in Australia related to the above (post 66):
http://au.news.yahoo.com/070128/2/p/127wu.html
QUOTEMonday January 29, 05:04 PM
Row erupts over banning of Islamic group
The NSW government is locked in a bitter stand-off with the commonwealth over who has the power to ban a radical Islamic group.

Prime Minister John Howard and Attorney-General Philip Ruddock have refused to outlaw Hizb ut-Tahrir, whose controversial push to drum up support among Australian Muslims to create an Islamic superstate has sparked outrage from the NSW government.

NSW Premier Morris Iemma has stepped up his demands for the federal government to outlaw the group, saying its leaders were advocating a holy war with Australia.

But the commonwealth insists it can't use tough anti-terror laws to slap a ban on Hizb ut-Tahrir, and says NSW has the ability to outlaw the group itself if it wants.

The row comes after Hizb ut-Tahrir's firebrand Indonesian cleric Ismail Yusanto urged a meeting of Sydney Muslims to support the creation of an Islamic state ruled by strict Sharia law and be ready for a jihad to defend it.

Mr Howard said the federal government would not ban Hizb ut-Tahrir unless it breached anti-terror laws.

"There is often a thin line between stupid extravagant language and language which is deliberately designed to incite violence ... or to threaten the security of the country," he told Southern Cross Broadcasting.

"People can say a lot of ridiculous things and they should be able to say ridiculous things in a democracy without that language constituting violence and extreme incitement to violence."

Mr Ruddock said if the NSW government wanted to outlaw the group because it did not approve of its views, it could do so.

"If the state government believes it should be banned as an organisation simply because they don't like their views, I would suggest they've got power to do it," he told reporters.

"Or, if they think that you need to have a national scheme for banning organisations of that type whose views you don't like, refer a power along with your state Labor colleagues to enable us to do it."

Hizb ut-Tahrir is notorious for its anti-democratic, anti-Semitic views and has been banned in Britain, Germany and several Middle Eastern countries.

Mr Iemma said NSW was unable to ban the group because it, along with the other states, referred powers to exclude terror groups to the commonwealth in 2002.

"What's Mr Ruddock's problem in reviewing the status of this organisation," he told reporters.

"If he wants evidence, listen to what was said.

"They're advocating war with Australia, on Australians."

Western Australia's Attorney-General Jim McGinty backed Mr Iemma's call, accusing Hizb ut-Tahrir of "threatening the very fabric of our community".

Federal opposition immigration spokesman Tony Burke said Dr Yusanto should have been refused a visa because his radical views could incite conflict in Australia.

"Why on earth this bloke was given permission to come to Australia is a complete mystery to me," Mr Burke told Macquarie Radio.

Mr Howard said newly appointed Immigration Minister Kevin Andrews would examine the visa given to Dr Yusanto.

The NSW Jewish Board of Deputies said instead of banning the group, Mr Iemma should use the state's anti-vilification laws against its members.

"Our concern is that any person or any organisation should not be permitted to make inflammatory remarks or engage in racial hatred in NSW and we believe the full force of the law should be brought down on (them)," chief executive Vic Alhadeff told AAP.

"Sharia law requires that non-Muslims be regarded as second-class citizens and, furthermore, when one looks at the website of this Hizb ut-Tahrir, there is a lot of inflammatory hate speech ... it calls for death to Jews and things like that."

A spokesman for Mr Iemma said the state government had no power under racial vilification laws to ban the group.

Husky · (This post was last modified: 02-02-2007, 07:51 AM by Husky.)

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/2/story....jectid=10421415
QUOTEEfforts to curb politicised Islam backfiring - study
January 30, 2007

LONDON - Attempts by the British Government to combat the growth of Islamic extremism among a minority of young Muslims are making the situation worse, a report by an independent think-tank said.

Policy Exchange research found that young British Muslims were much more likely to be influenced by a political form of Islam than their parents because of changes to society and loss of shared national identity.

Attempts to engage with the country's 1.8 million Muslims were failing because it treated them as a homogenous group, leaving some feeling excluded and ignored.

"Government policies to improve engagement with Muslims make things worse," the report's lead author Munira Mirza said. "The Government should stop emphasising difference and engage with Muslims as citizens, not through their religious identity." >> NOT TRUE: they were treated as regular British citizens before, and a lot of good that did <<

The issue of Muslim integration was highlighted in July 2005 when four British Islamists carried out suicide bombings in London killing 52 people.

The extent of the growth in extremism was made clear last year by Britain's domestic spy chief who said security services were monitoring 1600 mostly UK-born suspects.

The report said growing religiosity among young Muslims reflected a "search for meaning and community", a sense of disengagement that was shared by young people generally.

The study found 37 per cent of 16-24-year-old Muslims would prefer to live under Islamic sharia law than under British law compared to just 17 per cent of those aged over 55.

There was also far greater support for exhibiting their religious identity in public with 74 per cent of young Muslims preferring women to wear a veil or hijab compared to 28 per cent of the older generation.

Thirteen per cent of those aged 16-24 also agreed with the statement that they "admire organisations like al Qaeda that are prepared to fight the West" as opposed to just 3 per cent in the 55 and over age bracket.

- REUTERS
People are always excusing christoislamic terrorism:
(1) They are a minority and feel threatened by the majority who are dubbed 'communalist' or 'racist' (depending on the country under consideration)
(2) They need more money and resources poured into their education and improving their welfare. Then they will become better citizens
(3) Carve a bit of the nation to give them their own country, that will appease them
(4) Don't treat them as a separate group, treat them like citizens (Britain) and all your terrorist problems will melt away
(5) Give Palestinians lots of/all of Israel or give muslims Kashmir or help Chechnya or give them large tracts of Yugoslavian land and they will be good little kiddies again

Enough with the excuses. They will get everything for free and when there's nothing more to give, they'll continue the j-had anyway. The west needs to wake up, j-had is going to happen, sooner or later. Make it sooner, while the west still has a mostly non-islamic population and can still fight back to stem the tide of islamicisation. The longer they wait to do 'something' about the islamicisation and j-had, the more likely the turn of events will be an islamic west.
There's no negotiating with crazed religious zombies. People really ought to learn to say No Tolerance For Intolerance.

ramana · 01-30-2007, 10:57 AM

There is something odd in this story.

QUOTEBAGHDAD, Iraq -
Iraq's army announced Monday it killed the leader of a heavily armed cult of messianic Shiites called "the Soldiers of Heaven" in a fierce gunbattle aimed at foiling a plot to attack leading Shiite clerics and pilgrims in the southern city of Najaf on the holiest day of the Shiite calendar.

Senior Iraqi security officers said that as part of the plot, three gunmen were captured in Najaf after renting a hotel room in front of the office of Iraq's most senior Shiite spiritual leader, Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani, with plans to attack it.

The fierce 24-hour battle was ultimately won by Iraqi troops supported by U.S. and British jets and American ground forces, but the ability of a splinter group little known in Iraq to rally hundreds of heavily armed fighters was a reminder of the potential for chaos and havoc emerging seemingly out of nowhere. Members of the group, which included women and children, planned to disguise themselves as pilgrims and kill as many leading clerics as possible, said Maj. Gen. Othman al-Ghanemi, the Iraqi commander in charge of the Najaf region.

The cult's leader, wearing jeans, a coat and a hat and carrying two pistols, was among those who died in the battle, al-Ghanemi said. Although he went by several aliases, he was identified as Dia Abdul Zahra Kadim, 37, from Hillah, south of Baghdad, according to Abdul-Hussein Abtan, deputy governor of Najaf. Kadim had been detained twice in the past few years, Abtan said.

The U.S. military said Iraqi security forces were sent to the area Sunday after receiving a tip that gunmen were joining pilgrims headed to Najaf for Ashoura, a commemoration of the 7th-century death of Imam Hussein, grandson of the Prophet Muhammad. The major religious festival culminates on Tuesday.

The gunmen had put up tents in fields lined with date palm groves surrounding Najaf, 100 miles south of the capital. They planned to launch their attack Monday night when Ashoura celebrations would be getting under way, the Iraqi security officers told The Associated Press on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to disclose the information.

In the battle to foil the attack on the pilgrims, Iraqi and U.S. forces faced off against more than 200 gunmen with small arms fire, rocket-propelled grenades and hand grenades, the U.S. military said. The battle took place about 12 miles northeast of Najaf.

The American military said U.S. air power was called in after the Iraqis faced fierce resistance. American ground forces were also deployed after small arms fire downed a U.S. helicopter, killing two soldiers.

U.S. and British jets played a major role in the fighting, dropping 500-pound bombs on the militants' positions, but
President Bush said the battle was an indication that Iraqis were beginning to take control.

"My first reaction on this report from the battlefield is that the Iraqis are beginning to show me something," Bush told National Public Radio on Monday.

The U.S. military said more than 100 gunmen were captured but it did not say how many were killed. Iraqi defense officials, by contrast, said 200 militants were killed, 60 wounded and at least 120 captured.

"It seems most likely that this was Shiite-on-Shiite violence, with millenarian cultists making an attempt to march on Najaf during the chaos of the ritual season of Muharram," Juan Cole, an Islamic scholar at the University of Michigan, said on his Web site. "The dangers of Shiite-on-Shiite violence in Iraq are substantial, as this episode demonstrated."

But Iraqi officials said Sunni extremists and
Saddam Hussein loyalists were helping the cult in their bid to ambush Shiite worshippers.

"We have information from our intelligence sources that indicated the leader of this group had links with the former regime elements since 1993," said Ahmed al-Fatlawi said, a member of the Najaf provincial council.

In addition to Iraqi Shiites, the gunmen included Sunnis and foreigners, according to al-Fatlawi. Other Najaf government officials said Afghans, Saudis and even a Sudanese were among the dead.

{This is the odd part of it.}

Al-Ghanemi said the area where the men were staying was once run by Saddam's al-Quds Army, a military organization the late president established in the 1990s.

Abtan told Iraqi state television that the group had developed a military structure, acquiring the heavy arms and digging trenches in preparation for battle.

"What we want to know is where they bought all these weapons?" al-Ghanemi said, adding that the army seized some 500 automatic rifles in addition to mortars, heavy machine guns and Russian-made Katyusha rockets in what amounted to a major test for Iraq's new military as it works toward taking over responsibility for security from U.S.-led forces.

Al-Ghanemi said the group â called the Jund al-Samaa, or Soldiers of Heaven â is considered heretical by mainstream Shiite clerics and had been planning for months to attack Najaf during the Ashoura ceremonies.

Imam Hussein died in the battle of Karbala in A.D. 680. The battle cemented a schism in Islam between Shiites and Sunnis, a division that has spiraled in Iraq since the U.S.-led invasion in 2003 and in particular since the Feb. 22, 2006 bombing of a Shiite shrine in Samarra.

The Ashoura festival includes processions and ceremonies, including self-flagellation, in a show of grief to mark Hussein's death in battle.

The planned attack on Najaf was an attempt by the cult to force the return of the "hidden imam," a 9th-century saint who Shiites believe will return to bring peace and justice to the world, according to al-Fatlawi.

The gunmen planned to distribute leaflets in Najaf saying that the hidden imam will appear again, al-Ghanemi said. In the tents outside Najaf, troops found pamphlets titled "Heaven's Judge," according to the senior Iraqi security officers.

Members had gathered on a farm to prepare to launch their attack, Abtan said. They used date-palm groves as cover, forcing some farmers at gunpoint to help them, said al-Fatlawi. Other officials in Najaf said Saddam loyalists bought the groves six months ago.

Abtan said they planned first to occupy a major mosque in Najaf, then bombard the police stations and kill the religious leaders.

"They intended to occupy Najaf, then topple the Iraqi government and kill all the great religious leaders," he said.

Some of the gunmen brought their families with them in order to make it easier to enter the city, al-Fatlawi said. "The women have been detained," al-Fatlawi said.

Abtan said most of the gunmen who were killed were left on the battlefield and would be taken for burial on Tuesday.

"There were families with them, women and children," he said.

The U.S. military, which turned over provincial control to Iraqi security forces in Najaf last month, touted the operation as a victory for Iraqi forces, singling out their efforts to recover the bodies of two U.S. soldiers killed when their helicopter went down during the fighting.

"This is an example of a promise kept," Brig. Gen. Vincent Brooks, deputy commander of the Multi-National Division â Baghdad and the 1st Cavalry Division, said. "Everything worked just as it should have."


Could this Jund al- Samaa be an umbrella group for a new version of the faith that attracts both Sunnis and Shias? Is this a new beginning? If not how did the Shia and Sunni gather together to attack Ashoura? If they are Shia it is a sacrilege.

I would like to know more of this group and did it have any connections to Saddam's death.

Husky · (This post was last modified: 01-30-2007, 11:11 AM by Husky.)

Ramana, some more on the Soldiers of Heaven on the Iraq thread

From your own post (69):
QUOTEThe cult's leader, wearing jeans, a coat and a hat and carrying two pistols, was among those who died in the battle,On first reading, I thought this was describing a double-pistoled cowboy...

Husky · (This post was last modified: 01-31-2007, 06:46 AM by Husky.)

Strange events afoot in Australia again:
http://au.news.yahoo.com/070130/23/128w7.html
QUOTETuesday January 30, 08:36 PM
Islamic colleges raided over funding grants
By 7News
Major Fraud Squad detectives have raided three Perth schools and an administration centre run by the Australian Islamic College.
The raids were part of an investigation into allegations that student numbers have been falsified to claim thousands of dollars in Federal Government grants.

At 9am, the Australian Islamic College campuses in Kewdale, Dianella and Thornlie were simultaneously raided by officers from the Major Fraud Squad.

At the same time, detectives swooped on the college's administration centre in Booragoon.

They were accompanied by investigators from the Federal Department of Education, Science and Training.

At the organisation's Booragoon headquarters, major fraud squad detectives said they would spend up to 12 hours sorting out documents and computer files.

At this stage, no-one has been charged.

Police said the search warrants and raids were sparked by allegations that student numbers at the college campuses were being falsified in order to obtain more money in Federal Government grants.

A police statement read: "These warrants were issued subsequent to investigations conducted by the Major Fraud Squad into allegations of fraud in relation to State and Federal Government student-subsidised funding programs."

It was understood that for each student's education, the Government contributes about $2000 in funding, similar to the arrangement with state-run schools.

During all of today's raids, teams of police used several trucks to cart away seized computers and filing cabinets from the campuses, which offer kindergarten places and a curriculum for students up to year 12.The computers and files would probably contain the data on students enrolled and monies received.
But I think the police might as well take the opportunity to check the hard drives for any communications that passed betwixt about j-hadi terrorist plots They'd probably thought of this already.

01-31-2007, 08:14 AM

[http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/3940505a12.html
QUOTE
PARIS: A French Muslim who attacked a male gynaecologist for examining his wife just after she had given birth, saying it was against Islam, has been jailed for six months by a Paris court.

01-31-2007, 08:16 AM

QUOTE teams of police used several trucks to cart away seized computers and filing cabinets from the campuses, 
They will check all contacts, who are supporting whom. How many times people had visited Pakistan?

Bharatvarsh · (This post was last modified: 02-01-2007, 01:59 AM by Bharatvarsh.)

QUOTE9 nabbed in Britain on terror charges

By ROB HARRIS, Associated Press Writer
1 hour, 37 minutes ago

BIRMINGHAM, England - Counterterrorism police arrested nine men in an alleged kidnapping plot Wednesday â a plan that reportedly involved torturing and beheading a British Muslim soldier and broadcasting the killing on the Internet.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070131/ap_on_..._terror_arrests
And of course the ever present paki connection:
QUOTEPolice would not confirm the potential victim's occupation or details of the plot that was unraveled in the predominantly Pakistani neighborhood in central England.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070131/ap_on_..._terror_arrests

Husky · (This post was last modified: 02-02-2007, 07:55 AM by Husky.)

More on what Bharatvarsh posted (#74), including about the Terroristanis:
http://au.news.yahoo.com/070115/2/122uj.html
QUOTEThursday February 1, 05:59 AM
British police thwart terror plot
British police have arrested nine people in a major security swoop which a defence source said involved a plot to kidnap and possibly kill a Muslim British soldier.

Detectives said eight suspected conspirators were arrested in dawn raids across the city of Birmingham on "suspicion of the commission, preparation or instigation of acts of terrorism". A ninth suspect was arrested later on a nearby motorway.

Twelve addresses in Birmingham, Britain's second largest city and one of its most ethnically diverse with a large Muslim population, were sealed off by uniformed officers and searched.

"This remains a dynamic, fluid operation and it is by no means finished," said Assistant Chief Constable David Shaw of West Midlands police. "We are literally right at the foothills of what is a very, very major investigation for us."

Britain has been on its second highest alert level since four Britons killed 52 people on London's transport system in July 2005 in Western Europe's first Islamist suicide bombings.

Security experts said the suspected plot was a departure from the mass-fatality attacks on transport networks and showed Britain was on the frontline of al Qaeda-style attacks.

"It certainly seems to confirm Britain is particularly vulnerable to al Qaeda-style attacks because of the historic links to Pakistan and the Pakistani community here," said Shane Brighton, a terrorism expert at London think-tank Chatham House.

"The suggestion is that there is a higher level of risk in the UK from those Pakistani-linked groups than there is elsewhere in Europe. We may well be on the forefront of this."QUOTELast year the head of MI5 said about 30 terrorism plots were being worked on and agents were monitoring some 1,600 suspects.

That figure has increased rapidly since July 7, 2005, when London suffered its worst peacetime attack with the four British suicide bombers blowing themselves up on the transport network.Similar stuff at UK Police Thwart Terrorism Kidnap Plot

Post 74:
QUOTEa plan that reportedly involved torturing and beheading a British Muslim soldier and broadcasting the killing on the Internet.This is another reason why it makes no sense for India's anti-Indian government to say there should be something like reservations for Islamics to be in the Indian forces. If they serve India faithfully, they would be targets of torture and murder by their own co-religionists for joining fight against Terroristan, the Kashmiri terrorists and the j-hadis on India-Bangladesh border.

Husky · (This post was last modified: 02-01-2007, 02:41 PM by Husky.)

Three news reports concerning Australia:

http://au.news.yahoo.com/070111/2/121be.html
QUOTESaturday January 27, 07:52 PM
Sheik's understudy creates his own stir
Sydney's Muslim community is defending another of its clerics, a young Imam who gave a sermon reportedly calling for attacks on the enemies of Iraq.

Yahya Safi gave the Friday sermon at the Lakemba mosque, replacing controversial Sheik Taj Aldin Alhilali, who pulled out at the last minute after being told he had to be apolitical in his speech.

The sheik's understudy, one of half a dozen Imams who give sermons at the popular south-western Sydney mosque, is aged in his thirties.

The Seven Network reported Imam Safi offered a prayer "for our brothers in Iraq", appealing to God to destroy the enemies of Islam.

"God destroy the oppressors, destroy the aggressors, destroy the hypocrites, destroy the despotic tyrants."

Tom Zreika, president of the Lebanese Muslim Association which runs the mosque, said Imam Safi was not calling for the destruction of Australian troops in Iraq.

"His reference isn't against the coalition (forces) because he is an Australian, we are Australians, and we wouldn't stand for something like that," he told Seven.

Islamic Friendship Association president Keysar Trad, a friend of the sheik, said people should not think the worst of the imams "ambiguous comments".

"Why not give them the benefit of the doubt," he told Seven.

NSW Premier Morris Iemma, who among others has been calling for Sheik Alhilali to be replaced as Australia's mufti, said the Muslim community should be careful with choosing his successor.

"Don't replace one with fanatical views with another who is just 30 years younger," Mr Iemma told Seven.

The mufti arrived home in Sydney this week after his two-month self-imposed exile to Mecca and Egypt, following a controversial sermon last year comparing immodestly dressed women to "uncovered meat".

In an appearance on Egyptian television this month, his comments in Arabic were translated as saying Muslims were more entitled to live in Australia than Anglo-Saxons sent as convicts in chains, and that westerners were liars.

But the mufti says he loves Australia and that his comments have been maliciously misinterpreted by the media and politicians.

LMA members intercepted Australia's most senior Muslim cleric on his way to give the Friday sermon.

Mr Zreika said the sheik pulled out after being told his sermon had to be apolitical, avoiding talk of the Lebanese Muslim candidates expected to run at the March state election.

Mr Zreika is a Liberal Party councillor in Auburn, one of three seats where the candidates endorsed by the mufti will run.
The second report concerns the following events in earlier Aus-related news (see also posts 47, 49 and 51):
QUOTEhttp://au.news.yahoo.com//070111/2/121be.html (page now replaced with latest report above)
Thursday January 25, 03:51 PM

Iemma challenges sheik to 'bring it on'
Controversial Muslim cleric Sheik Taj Aldin al Hilaly should reveal if he has political intentions now he's back in Australia, NSW Premier Morris Iemma says.

The sheik on Wednesday night used a side door at Sydney Airport to avoid a waiting media pack after he arrived home from a trip overseas.

Sheik al Hilaly sparked outrage in Australia in recent weeks when he used an appearance on breakfast television to describe Australians as liars.

He told Egyptian television Muslims were more entitled to live in Australia than Anglo-Saxons sent as convicts in chains.

It follows the stir he caused last year when he compared immodestly dressed women to "uncovered meat".

Mr Iemma said on Thursday Sheik al Hilaly should reveal if he intended to run for state parliament or have independent candidates stand on his behalf at the March 24 state election.

The sheik is believed to be considering standing as a candidate against the premier in Mr Iemma's western Sydney electorate of Lakemba.

"There's a lot of public interest in what he has to say and what he wants to do with the election," Mr Iemma told reporters.

"He ought to explain what his position is.

"Is he going to run? Are we going to have al Hilaly independents? If so, tell us.

"Because as I said: if you want a challenge, bring it on."
Follow-up on the above is now:
http://au.news.yahoo.com/070201/23/129n1.html
QUOTEThursday February 1, 12:02 PM
Former terror suspect to stand at election
By 7News
Former Guantanamo detainee Mamdouh Habib is to stand for election in the NSW state poll.
Mr Habib will run as an independent in the safe Labor seat of Auburn, standing against ALP incumbent Barbara Penny.

He announced his candidacy on Thursday morning, pledging to campaign against anti-terrorist legislation - to work for "the right to freedom of expression and in opposition to the anti-terrorist laws, state and federal".

He also pledged to "fight racismÂ <img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ROTFL.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='ROTFL.gif' /> , the end of scapegoating of Aborigines, Muslims and migrants," and to oppose Australia's involvement in the war in Iraq. (Islam is as racist a religion as christianity. And did he just dare mention the treatment of Aborigines in the same breath as 'the scapegoating' of muslims?Â <img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/furious.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='furious.gif' /> )

Mr Habib spent three years at the US prison camp at Guantanamo in Cuba, after he was arrested in Pakistan in 2001 on suspicion of involvement in terrorism.

He was released without charge in January 2005.

Born in Egypt, father-of-four Mr Habib became an Australian citizen after moving to the country in 1980.Obviously, islamoterrorist Sheikh Hilaly can't win if he stood, he's not likely to be popular after having hatefully insulted Australians. Instead Hilaly's catspaw is carefully chosen, a victim: they're hoping to get sympathy votes?

Final bit of news is really weird:
http://au.news.yahoo.com/070201/2/129nj.html
QUOTEThursday February 1, 05:36 PM
Howard queries churches over Osama signs
Many Australians will question the priority of churches which have posted signs saying "Jesus loves Osama", Prime Minister John Howard says.

Several churches, including Baptist churches, in inner-Sydney have the message on signs which also feature a Bible extract saying, "love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you".

"I understand the Christian motivation of the Baptist church," Mr Howard told reporters.

"But I hope they will understand that a lot of Australians, including many Australian Christians, will think that the prayer priority of the church on this occasion could have been elsewhere."

In Canberra, Workplace Relations Minister Joe Hockey said: "I was taught that Jesus loves everyone - I think he's far more generous than I would be."Another Yahoo news report on the above is Australian PM objects to church's "Jesus loves Osama" sign with picture

QUOTEchurches which have posted signs saying "Jesus loves Osama"(Of course he would, if he'd existed)
We can turn to their fellow-christian born-again Pat Robertson, to find out what these Baptists mean when they say 'love':
QUOTEYou say you're supposed to be nice to the Episcopalians and the Presbyterians and the Methodists and this, that, and the other thing. Nonsense. I don't have to be nice to the spirit of the Antichrist. I can love the people who hold false opinions but I don't have to be nice to them.Â <img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='blink.gif' />
-- Statement made by Pat Robertson on his televised program The 700 Club, January 14, 1991 ( http://freetruth.50webs.org/C6.htm )

02-02-2007, 03:59 AM

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**acharya** · 02-05-2007, 08:14 AM

Lalu demands renaming of Patna as Azimabad
Dipak Mishra
[ 5 Feb, 2007 0157hrs ISTTIMES NEWS NETWORK ]

PATNA: Bihar's "name game" politics received a fresh lease of life on Sunday when RJD chief Lalu Prasad made a demand to change the name of Patna to Azimabad.

Lalu made the demand while addressing a meeting organised to mark the birthday of former Speaker of Bihar Assembly the late Ghulam Sarwar which is being celebrated as "Urdu Day"by an organisation headed by RJD leader Ghulam Gaus.

"Ghulam Sarwar's last wish was that Patna be named Azimabad. I demand that the state government initiate the move to rename Patna as Azimabad,"Lalu said at the meeting.

The railway minister, however, turned down the demand for a train in the name of the late politician-cum-Urdu writer who was known for his oratory skills. "There is a strict rule forbidding any train to be named after any person,"he said.

Playing the Muslim card to the hilt during his speech, Lalu recalled his close association with Sarwar, who enjoyed support of the backward sections of Muslims. "I was the first chief minister to create a separate department of minority welfare.

I will stop calling CM Nitish Kumar an RSS agent if he appoints Urdu-knowing police sub-inspectors. I had started the process but it faced hurdles from the court. Nitish should remove the hurdles,"Lalu said.

Union minister for state for telecommunications Shakeel Ahmad, who was present on the occasion, said efforts are on for issuing a postal stamp in the honour of Ghulam Sarwar.

Historically, during the Mughal Period Patna was known as Azimabad after a Mughal Governor Azimus Shan. Most Urdu poets and writers hailing from Patna including legendary poet Shaad Azimabadi identified themselves with this name.

However, the RJD supremo is not the only one who is demanding a change in Patna's name. Currently, a campaign on to rename Patna as Patliputra - the name by which the city was known as during the Mauryan Period.

Posters have been put up across the city with an appeal to CM Nitish Kumar to rename the state capital as Patliputra.

In the 1980s, the present Governor of Jammu & Kashmir Lt. Gen (Retd) S K Sinha had launched a campaign for renaming Patna as Patliputra.

In the late 1990s the then Speaker of the Bihar assembly the late Dev Narayan Yadav had submitted a memorandum to Lalu for renaming Patna as Patliputra. Lalu first agreed, but made a U-turn the next day saying that the change of name of a city was an irrelevant issue.

"It's a political gimmick. Lalu never remembered Ghulam Sarwar or fulfilled any of his wishes when he was alive,"said JD(U)'s national spokesperson Shivanand Tiwari.

Bharatvarsh · 02-05-2007, 08:46 AM

Who the hell is this Ghulam Sarwar being referred to in the article?

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