Year 2012 -satya/dwapara Yuga

[acharya]

This would be mind boggling. Please read it.


There is a 'Second Foundation Trilogy', commissioned by Asimov's estate, written after his death.
They include <span style='color:red'>Foundation and Chaos, Foundation's Fear and Foundation's Triumph.
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[acharya]

http://www.vavatch.co.uk/books/asimov/

[ramana]

Acharya,
Why should jingos read this science fiction stuff? Isnt it waste of time and distracts from the purpose of finding out about AIT, secular machinations etc., etc?

[acharya]

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Why should jingos read this science fiction stuff? Isnt it waste of time and distracts from the purpose of finding out about AIT, secular machinations etc., etc?</span>

These SF are not ordinary SF but there is secret code in these Asimov Foundation Series.
The secret code is the plan for grand

ROMAN SECOND EMPIRE!

[ramana]

What exactly do you mean? How can the second Roman Empire come about?
As everyone knows Foundation is group of people protecting kowldege to revive the old Empire and its all SF. No plan wans.

Can you give examples of the whole thing?
Who is the:
- Foundation
- Hari Sheldon
- Mule
- Second Foundation
- The traders who do they correspond to?
- How does the Foundation plan to restore the supremacy of the Empire?
- Does the new Empire have to be of the old order or successors in mental make-up to the old order?

[acharya]

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Who is the: 
- Hari Sheldon
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Hari (Sanskrit:<span style='color:orange'> <b>हरि</b></span>) is another name of Vishnu.

Seldon was born in the 10th month of the 11,988th year of the Galactic Era (GE) (-79 Foundation Era (FE)) and died 12,069 GE (1 FE)
Using psychohistory, Seldon found the right time and place to set up a new society, one that would replace the collapsing Galactic Empire by sheer force of social pressure, over a thousand-year time span.

[acharya]

Foundation owes its genesis to young Asimov reading Edward Gibbon's Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire. As the author explains, he started thinking, what would happen if he described the fall of a GALACTIC Empire? Armed with a "science" of history known as psychohistory, Asimov and his editor John W. Campbell set about trying to describe the fall and rebirth of that mythic Empire. While the trilogy (and even the subsequent sequels) did not finish the 1,000-year cycle, enough was described to bring about some rather intriguing fiction.

Asimov, of course, is fond of puzzles involving logic. While logic is rather hazy regarding human behavior (the "Laws of Psychohistory" are deliberately kept off-stage), the characters are nevertheless able to make guesses that fall within the expectations of said logic.
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The prime element in the resurrection of the Empire is, of course, Hari Seldon, the greatest psychohistorian in history. Seeing through his equations that the galaxy is about to fall into ruin, Seldon strives to create a "Foundation" which will preserve the wisdom of the old empire when the collapse comes(300AD). This Foundation will ensure that, instead of thousands of years of barbarism following the collapse, only 1,000 years will ensue(2012).</b> The Foundation begins harmlessly enough, as a scientific organization, designed to write the "Encyclopedia Galactica," a repository for all the galaxy's knowledge. However, as the Empire falls and the scientists of the Foundation are isolated by the barbarism on the galactic periphery (in a series of "Seldon Crises"), it becomes much more. That is the basic context of the first book in the series.
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Seldon also creates a "Second Foundation." The purpose of this organization, located at "Star's End," is to monitor the Seldon plan and make sure the First Foundation comes to no harm in its slow quest to restore the Empire.</b>

If some of this sounds vaguely like Star Wars, you wouldn't be far wrong. Much of that trilogy owes its existence to Asimov's work. The most blatant example is the planet Coruscant, which echoes Asimov's Trantor, the capital world of the Empire, which is an entire world-city.

My favorite book in the Foundation series is Foundation and Empire, because they offer the most opportunity for action and challenge for the Foundation. As the series originally appeared as a series of short stories and novellas in Campbell's Astounding, the "novel" is really two stories. In the first story, the Foundation finds itself facing its first real threat--a strong Empire at the galactic core, with a strong general capable of defeating the Foundation. <b>In the next contest, the Foundation comes up against a telepathic enemy known as "The Mule," who starts mucking about with the Foundation's path toward eventual Empire.</b>

The third book, Second Foundation, describes a search for the "Second Foundation." This search comes in earnest, after the setbacks the First Foundation faced in the second book. Asimov manages to end the stories well, and Asimov manages to keep the reader guessing.

I really enjoyed the series when I read it in high school. The stories were great exercises in logic and managed to provide some sense of adventure. Looking back, I can see some "primitive" technological aspects of Asimov's "Future History," but that takes little away from the story. One innovation for this series was the invention of the pocket calculator (the stories appeared in the early '40s). Asimov took reluctant credit for the invention since, like Heinlein's water bed, he never thought of patenting it.

This is actually an excellent, kid-friendly introduction to science fiction, as it presents a lot of mental puzzles and very little violence. Given the time it was written and Asimov's own literary tastes, it is rather free from violence, sex, or other "adult situations." There have been grander epics, but this is one of the first to appear in science fiction form. Read from the master, and learn.

[acharya]

Long before the notion of using a vision of the future to help shape the future(2012), there was Foundation by Isaac Asimov. This popular book and series have undoubtedly played a role in developing the importance of vision in our society in the 50 years since these stories were first written.

The book is also prescient in another way. The current best thinking about problem solving is that scenario-based exercises are the best way to prepare to influence the future. Sure enough, that is what Asimov was talking about with Seldon's forecasting techniques. <b> To prepare and influence History is the biggest weapon of the west against all other cultures.</b>

If that was all that Asimov accomplished, this would be one of the greatest science fiction novels of all time. But he did even more. He conceptualized the significance of finding offsets to the kind of bureaucratic stalls that can delay progress. While Joseph Heller was inventing Catch 22 to identify the problem, Asimov was already onto the cure. Asimov's solution: a secret second foundation that works behind the scenes without bureaucracy to do the real work of making a difference. In my own research on how change happens in organizations, it is always the stealth activities that work best.

In a sense, any view of history would lead to the same conclusion -- that progress and regression will usually succeed one another in that order. That was the point of Toynbee's work on history. Asimov has made that point very elegantly here.

[acharya]

Psychohistory is the study of the psychological motivations of historical events. It combines the insights of psychotherapy with the research methodology of the social sciences to understand the emotional origin of the social and political behavior of groups and <span style='color:red'>nations, past and present.</span> This field of study is considered by some to have significant differences from the mainstream fields of history and psychology.

Psychohistory derives many of its insights from areas that are perceived to be ignored by conventional historians as shaping factors of human history, in particular, the effects of childbirth, parenting practice, and child abuse. The historical impact of incest, infanticide and child sacrifice are considered. Psychohistory holds that human societies can change between infanticidal and non-infanticidal practices and has coined the term "early infanticidal childrearing" to describe abuse and neglect observed by many anthropologists. Lloyd deMause, the pioneer of psychohistory, has described a system of psychogenic modes which describe the range of styles of parenting he has observed historically and across cultures.

Many political scientists and historians teach that social behavior is usually for rational reasons rather than irrational ones, and that international violence is often instigated for economic gain. Psychohistorians, on the other hand, suggest that social behavior may be a self-destructive re-enactment of earlier abuse and neglect; that unconscious flashbacks to early fears and destructive parenting could dominate individual and social behavior.

[Guest]

Copy and paste job ...
http://www.amazon.com/Foundation-Trilogy-I...v/dp/0385188307

[acharya]

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Please read further - many more links - please put more links into this
thread please. Lot of copy and paste onlee. Everything is available in the net.


We need discussion on why there is great interest in 2012 and why all the cultures have been studied to create their version of history.

[Guest]

Look near last para of this article

http://www.livinglakes.org/stlucia/credomutwa.htm

[Guest]

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_2012_03.htm

[Guest]

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/wilcock/...inecosmos_9.htm

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->With the work of Dr. S.V. Smelyakov and Y. Karpenko on the  Mayan Calendar [6], we may well have the "smoking gun" to prove scientifically that a fundamental energetic change is occurring throughout the entire Solar System at this time, fostering a crucial link between the local effects on the Sun, Earth and other planets and the effects upon the consciousness of humanity.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

[Guest]

This thread reminds me of a hindi couplet:

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>gang se unchi tarang uthe</b>
<i>Waves higher than Ganga's leap up (in heart & mind)</i>
<b>jab ang mein aave bhang bhavaani</b>
<i>When goddess "bhaang" courses through the body.</i><!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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P.S. I think only "Alok Niranjan" will appreciate this.

[acharya]

<!--QuoteBegin-Ashok Kumar+Apr 20 2007, 06:16 PM-->QUOTE(Ashok Kumar @ Apr 20 2007, 06:16 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->This thread reminds me of a hindi couplet:

<!--QuoteBegin--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>gang se unchi tarang uthe</b>
<i>Waves higher than Ganga's leap up (in heart & mind)</i>
<b>jab ang mein aave bhang bhavaani</b>
<i>When goddess "bhaang" courses through the body.</i><!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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P.S. I think only "Alok Niranjan" will appreciate this.
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The FOUNDATION SERIES may be described as written with Bhang

[Amber G.]

Acharya: Just a few comments, take it FWIW
(I am fairly familiar with mathematical part of ancient Indian Astronomy having studied Surya Sidhanta (know enough Sanskrit to read and understand a math book) and many other books etc)

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->[ Since 2,160 years = 72 x 30 = precession of the equinox through 30 degrees, or 1/12 of a full precession, there may be some connection between the Hindu system of time cycles and precession, but it is not completely clear to me because 200, 400, 600, and 800 are not multiples of 12. I would be happier with the precession idea if, instead of multiples of 100, multiples of 9 x 12 = 108 had been used to get:
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The cycle (at least by ancient astronomers/mathematicians , or at least one ( clearly) explained in Surya Sidhanta – you can probably see it in google books, if you want to take a look) comes from 360*12*(100) (“jupitor year” is 12 years, and a “devta’s day” is 100 such years, and the year is 360 such days). (Maha yuga, is of course 4+3+2+1 such yuga , because Sata yuga = 4*kali , and others are 3,2,1times the above cycle)

The period is large enough so that all cycles (Like synodic lunar month, sidereal years of other planets, cycle of precession of equinoxes) will divide into it and give an (approximately enough) integer value. In that sense this length has nothing to do with precession cycle (At least according to Bhaskara charya and other guru’s) ( length of precession *(1/12) or length of “age of xxxxxx” etc according to them is a value which you MEASURE according to your observations – just as you measure length of synodic month etc..) In fact, it is clearly explained there that these are <b>‘observable’ values which may get ‘more accurate values’ as one gets more accurate observations in future.</b>

There is an attempt to link/”explain” these vales with some “mathematical/mythical ways, which, IMO, in this cases is meaningless.. After all, given any number, one can always find, some “interesting” relationship with “holy” numbers, and try to explain its numerological “significance” but that, in my opinion, is meaning less, and dis-respectful to great mathematicians like Bhaskaracharya.

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->In 2012 the plane of our Solar System will line up exactly with the plane of our Galaxy, the Milky Way. This cycle has taken 26,000 years to complete. Two other galaxies will line up with ours at the same time. A cosmic event!<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

To me this makes no sense (IMO), To quote the great physicist Pauli it is so absurd that “it’s not even wrong” !!

What is this "plane of our Solar system?” and what is “Plane of Galaxy” .. BTW if by the “plane of our solar system” you mean ecliptic plane the above sentence is even more absurd. (Not even all planets ecliptic plane is exactly same, and no there is no such”26000” year period between “galactic/solar” plane. If one is talking about - precession of equinox (with a cycle roughly 26000 years) it is a VERY local property of our earth’s motion around the sun. and the orientation of the tilt of it’s axis

Sorry, no intension to be disrespectful or harsh but statements like these, to me, makes no sense..

Regards.

[ramana]

From Ashok and Amber's posts its clear there is no scientific rationale for all this hype. Also note its not the Hindus who are studying this so called phenomenon for over twenty years at least. I still ask why are they doing this? looks like there is some popular imagination call it pagan roots that still accords some significance to such planetary line-ups. The subject is being studied to mold this popular imagination for their own use. What is it?

[acharya]

Amber is right. IMO For Hindus the real important year is 2001 and it has already passed.

Why are they looking in other cultures for 2012
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scenario-based exercises are the best way to prepare to influence the future.

To prepare and influence History is the biggest weapon of the west against all other cultures.</b>


We need discussion on why there is great interest in 2012 and why all the cultures have been studied to influence history.

[Guest]

As far as Hindus are concerned the important date is 2014 & 2013.

<i>In 2012 the plane of our Solar System will line up exactly with the plane of our Galaxy,</i>

On the winter solstice in 2012, the sun will be aligned with the <b>center</b> of the Milky Way for the first time in about 26,000 years.



According to Srimad Bhagavatam - Kalki is destined to appear when the Sun, Moon and Jupiter together enters Pushya nakshatra ...it then goes to give the description of his birth etc.
This astrological phenomenon happens on 26/27th. July 2014 A.D. at 3:10 P. M. on a Sunday.