Pakistan News And Discussion-12

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6 soldiers killed in Hangu attack
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?p...21-8-2007_pg1_3

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Warning - Keep coffee or tea cups away from keyboard.
<b>Fashion show in Pakistan</b>
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<b>Pakistani court rules exiled former PM Sharif can return</b><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Pakistan's Supreme Court on Thursday ruled that exiled former prime minister Nawaz Sharif and his brother Shahbaz Sharif - former chief minister of Punjab - can return home and participate in politics, Geo TV reported.

The court, hearing constitutional petitions from the Sharif brothers, ruled that as Pakistanis they could return to the country and take part in national politics.

In a brief judgement, the court said that under Article 3 of the constitution no citizen of the country could be stopped from returning home.
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It means Mushy can cry for another day or he had made a deal with NS not BB.

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Today may be last edition of gem from FT. So enjoy it before syonara. <!--emo&--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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Confusion reigns supreme
In the corridors of power, the left hand doesn’t know what the right is doing. Our mole reports that the real PM had an emergency meeting with his legal eagles to sort out his modus operandi viz his own re-election and how best to deal with the intractable Chief Adjudicator. Half the real PM’s team was for his re-election in uniform from the present parliament while the other half advised him to shed his uniform, hold a free election and present himself for re-election to the new parliament. No decisions were taken and unpalatable conclusions were put off for another day.

Meanwhile, we hear that the real PM’s inner cabal may be barking up the wrong tree once again – they are trying to sow dissension amongst the adjudicators with a view to getting some relief from the august court. Sources say, however, that all the adjudicators, almost to a man, are bristling with animosity against the khakis. This is because they believe their homes have been thoroughly bugged, their families subjected to surveillance and their private lives dredged up for weaknesses. Suffice it to say that the real PM should expect no joy from the adjudicators. Meanwhile, various cabinet ministers have been spied going from pillar to post trying to find an answer to one desperate question: “what’s happening?” No one seems to know and confusion reigns supreme in Isloo.

<b>Human shield</b>
It now emerges that when the real PM’s right hand man aka HAM called on the Chief Adjudicator, he took his wife along as a human shield. It didn’t help because the meeting ended after twenty minutes and HAM’s very respectful request, that the Chief Adjudicator dine with Mush on Aug 13 independence eve, was summarily rejected. How the mighty are fallen!

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<b>Nuggets from the Urdu press </b>
<b>Osama Bin Laden died in Pakistan</b>
Daily Jang, quoting from the American magazine Online, reported that Osama bin Laden died of typhoid last month in Pakistan. The Saudi head of state and the President of France were secretly briefed, but the Pakistani government and the agencies didn’t confirm the news. The last time Osama appeared in a video tape was in 2004, and after that only a few audio tapes (of poor voice quality) have appeared, claiming to be the voice of Osama.

<b>Stomach belt created panic in a bus</b>
As reported in daily Express, a bus conductor saw a passenger with a belt under his shirt and started screaming, “Suicide bomber!” Panic ensued, and passengers jumped from the windows of the bus. In Mianwali, a local madrassah student, Hafiz Mohammad Shahzad, boarded a bus for Bannu wearing a belt under his shirt. When panic broke out, he showed his belt to the people. It was meant to reduce a sagging tummy.  <!--emo&--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->

<b>Why are Shujaat and Ijaz ul Haq targeted?</b>
Sarerahe wrote in daily Nawa-e-Waqt, that the female students of Jamia Hafsa claimed that they kidnapped the Chinese women of the massage parlor and Aunti Shamim at the behest of Ijaz ul Haq and Chaudhry Shujaat Hussain. Chaudhry Shujaat and Ijaz ul Haq have disguised their original brand and have coloured themselves to join enlightened moderators. Why didn’t the female students target the surgeons of this operation? Instead, they targeted these two leaders, because Chaudhry Shujaat is a religious man and Ijaz ul Haq is the son of a pious man.

<b>Cambridge producing terrorists</b>
As reported in daily Khabrain, it is usually assumed that religious seminaries are centers of terrorism, but all the Al Qaeda groups who have been busted so far have not had anyone educated from these madrassahs. Osama bin Laden and Dr Aimen Al Zawahiri studied from Western universities and reacted against American policies. Indian national Kafil Ahmad, who rammed his jeep into Glasgow airport, was a PhD from Anglia Ruskin University in Cambridge.

<b>Radio license for Al Qaeda supporter</b>
As reported in daily Jang, the PPP demanded an FM radio license from the governor of NWFP. The governor has given a radio license to the son in law of Sufi Mohammad, Maulana Fazalullah, who is poisoning people’s minds against democratic forces. The PPP wanted a radio channel to spread its party program to the people.

<b>Blasphemy against Holy Quran</b>
As reported in Daily Pakistan, in Holland a member of parliament and leader of the Freedom Party, Gate Bailders, demanded the banning of the Holy Quran in Holland, and compared it with the book of Hitler. His remarks have insulted Muslims, and the Public Prosecutor will decide whether to take Gate Bailders to court.

<b>Why didn’t Al Qaeda raise the Kashmir issue?</b>
In daily Nawa-e-Waqt, famous columnist Haroon ur Rashid asked why Osama bin Laden and Aimen al Zawahiri never raised the issue of Kashmir? Is it because they have links with a certain sect, which is still against the creation of Pakistan? Do they have links with India, and are part of an international conspiracy against Pakistan? <!--emo&:roll--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ROTFL.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='ROTFL.gif' /><!--endemo-->

<b>Who was Abdullah Mehsud?</b>
Tanvir Qaiser Shahid reported in Daily Pakistan, that Abdullah Mehsud, after failing to join the Pakistan Army, went to Karachi and was admitted on the recommendation of Mufti Shamzai, to Jamia Banoria, a famous seminary of the Deoband school. He was a favourite student of Mufti Jamil Ahmad. Both Mufti Shamzai and Mufti Jamil were supporters of the Taliban and were advisors to Mullah Omar. Abdullah went to Afghanistan and was Mullah Omar’s personal guard.

<b>Government received billions for Lal Masjid </b>
As reported in daily Jang, Maulana Sami ul Haq, head of Jamiat ulema Islam (Sami), said that the Lal Masjid operation was done on American instructions. He said that Pakistan received 10 billion dollars for this operation. He said that the presence of arms in madrassahs is propaganda. He said that we are trying to bring madrassahs into mainstream national life.

<b>Urdu wasting students’ time</b>
As reported in daily Khabrain, the Minister of Education, Qazi Javed Ashraf, said teaching Urdu is waste of time and that our cricketers get in trouble when they speak in English. He said that the subject of Islamiyat, which doesn’t teach brotherhood, patience and true Islamic traditions, should not be taught. Addressing a teacher training workshop, he said that female teachers would be employed for co education up to primary level schools.

<b>Chinese kidnapping to avenge murder </b>
As reported in Daily Pakistan by Tanvir Qaiser Shahid, Mufti Jamil was killed in Karachi along with Maulana Taunsavi of Khatam-e Nabowat in 2004. Mufti Shamzai had already been gunned down by unknown assailants. Two days after the killing of Mufti Jamil, two Chinese engineers were kidnapped, along with their Pakistani driver, Shaban, and Constable Asmatullah. Three of the kidnappers were Afghan, with two Mehsud tribemen. The leader of this group was Abdullah Mehsud.

<b>PPP can’t have contacts with the government</b>
Nazir Naji wrote in daily Jang, that Pakistan is divided into two classes: rulers and the oppressed. Historically, the oppressed are represented by the PPP, while the ruling class is represented by the establishment. When there is a chance for the PPP to come into power, the establishment starts yelling and throw all kinds of allegations at the PPP. Those who level allegations think of serving the establishment as their right, but when Benazir contacts Musharraf then she becomes the target of allegations.
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<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Radicalised youth brewing danger</b>
FT
Moeed Yusuf
<b>Were the 105 million Pakistanis presently below the age of 24 to become increasingly inclined towards radical ideologies, the country could end up choosing the Talibanisation course </b>
   
Sixty years after independence, the uncertainty surrounding Pakistan’s future is just as great as it was at the country’s birth in 1947. At independence, many feared that the ‘idea of Pakistan’ would flounder. Today, concerns about Pakistan are even graver; the most pessimistic predictions suggest that Pakistan will ‘completely fail’ by 2015.

There is a virtual consensus that the most probable cause of Pakistan’s future decline – and indeed its greatest challenge – will be internal extremism.

Current discourse on Pakistan has maintained a focus on immediate threats from extremists and says little about Pakistan’s medium to long-term prospects. It would be more pertinent to look at aspects that may push Pakistan to a point of no return.

There are two channels that could take Pakistan down the ‘Talibanisation’ route. Either a prolonged period of ideologically driven violence in the face of the state’s inability or unwillingness to tackle radical elements could allow the latter to establish control; or radical elements could permeate their message into the society, a large majority of which could then choose to support the modelling of the state on that ideology.

Most literature on Pakistan seems to converge on the fact that a violent takeover is unlikely. A fully functional state, with a secular, civil bureaucracy and military, acts as a strong buffer against the possibility of a sudden, forced overthrow reminiscent of the Taliban in Afghanistan.

The potential for the radical message to permeate society is more likely. This can only be a gradual process. Arguably then, the key to the country’s future direction is held by the coming generation: the Pakistani youth. Were the 105 million Pakistanis presently below the age of 24 to become increasingly inclined towards radical ideologies, the country could end up choosing the Talibanisation course. This will be the time when an overwhelming electoral victory for Islamist parties would become a realistic possibility. At such a point, even the bureaucracy and military are likely to be overcome by ideological fervour.

But how likely is the prospect of radicalised Pakistani youth?

Literature on youth violence converges on four ‘warning signs’ and an ‘exacerbating factor’ whose presence points to the likelihood of young males (the focus of youth-violence literature is overwhelmingly centred on males) becoming radicalised. The signs – the high number of young males as a proportion of the total population, economic deprivation, a chasm between expectations and reality and a perceived sense of deprivation – point to an increased possibility of ‘negative mobilisation’ of the youth. The ‘exacerbating factors’ often act as the tipping point, and turn the possibility of radicalisation into reality. Countries that exhibit the first four characteristics are at a high risk of implosion but can manage the situation by employing policies that act as safety valves. However, in the presence of strong exacerbating factors, negative mobilisation is inevitable.

<b>An analysis of Pakistan’s situation against these benchmarks paints a worrisome picture. The youth cohort in Pakistan is the highest in any country besides Yemen. With two-thirds of its population officially classified as ‘youth’ and ‘children’, Pakistan is likely to remain amid a ‘youth bulge’ well beyond 2020. While not a sufficient condition for youth violence, historical evidence does point to a positive relationship between the number of young people in a society and radicalisation.</b>

The question of economic deprivation is intrinsically linked to educational attainment and labour market conditions. In Pakistan, while poverty numbers have fallen, the number of poor in absolute terms remains high and inequality continues to rise. According to official figures, the ratio of consumption of the richest 20 percent versus the bottom 20 percent has increased further. The sense of economic deprivation is all but natural when we also consider that the majority of youth in the country are living in households from the lower economic strata.

The abysmal state of the education sector is well known. Public-sector schools, which cater to 70 percent of the population, are in an advanced state of decline. The contribution of madrassas in preparing students for employment is negligible compared to their role in producing indoctrinated ‘to-be militants’.

Private-sector schools, although varying in quality, are the only centres that produce students who are relatively well-grounded in modern literature. However, traditionally, most of these have maintained entry barriers, in terms of high fees and student background profiling. This is gradually changing with the rise in the number of private schools in rural areas.

Poor educational quality and a constrained labour market imply that the majority of students educated in public schools remain either unemployed or underemployed. Products of premier private schools – mostly children of the elite – on the other hand find employment with relative ease, not only because of their superior education but also because of the their socio-political connections.

For a large segment of the youth then, the expectations raised by attaining education are almost always shattered. A manifestation of this frustration is the increasingly common sight of young, well-dressed and often fairly articulate males begging in the streets of cities like Lahore and Karachi. They explicitly state that their post-secondary or higher education degrees have not been able to land them respectable jobs, and are then forced to beg. Such scenes commonly preceded a number of African civil wars.

Economic deprivation naturally generates a sense of grievance and alienation among the average youth. A number of studies are now showing that young males from lower economic strata are growing increasingly resentful of the secular elite, who they view as predators seeking to maximise their own gains without allowing the larger populace a share of the pie. Poor governance, high corruption levels, nepotism, and lack of peaceful political outlets for the youth continue to exacerbate such sentiments. The reverse trend is also evident. A survey of educational institutions pointed to disdain among students from English-medium schools for their Urdu-medium and madrassa counterparts: children of the elite consider these students backward.

All of this points to the presence of all the ‘warning signs’ of youth radicalisation in Pakistan. The imminence of the threat, however, is reflected by the existence of an active apparatus that is working to lure disgruntled youth towards radical chores; this constitutes the ‘exacerbating factor’.

Specifically, examples of exacerbating factors in Pakistan include: Islamic parties who have used the Islamist discourse for political expediency since the Afghan jihad; the highly organised grassroots communication and penetration network of the Islamists; physical infrastructure and safe havens for militant training; the propensity of the state to remain complacent about the risk involved in creating an alliance with the extremist enclave and tolerating youth recruitment for years; the state’s use of Islam as the unifying force and thus its inability to challenge ‘Islamist’ indoctrination from the extremist cadre; and the widening fault lines between the conservative and secular elite.

Few other countries can boast of an Islamist enclave that has successfully managed to use the state to its advantage in an environment where majority of the society does not advocate an Islamist system.

<b>While there are still a number of positive aspects in the Pakistani society that could delay the process of youth radicalisation – lack of mass support for Islamists; a challenged, yet vibrant, civilian enclave; the growing role of women in society; strong disapproval of mass violence and suicide attacks; a secular leadership; and deeply divided Islamic parties are some pertinent examples – their utility is limited to delaying, and not eliminating , the potential for radicalisation</b>.

Although the four ‘warning signs’ and ‘exacerbating factors’ are intrinsically linked, they require varying, but simultaneous policy responses. Population control, reduced levels of inequality, and comparable education and employment opportunities for the entire youth cohort are all goals the government is currently pursuing through multifaceted policy interventions.

While these are likely to redress the situation with regard to the warning signs, the nature of these problems suggests that dividends are only likely in the long run. In the interim, the much more important objective ought to be to eliminate the exacerbating factors.

Here, until the state’s own use of Islamic discourse and its alliance with the Islamists remains intact, the latter will continue to frame the ‘us versus them’ paradigm in a religious idiom and resultantly maintain their support base.

If the state remains complacent, an irreversible process of negative mobilisation of the youth may well reach an advanced stage before policies regarding population, education, employment, and polarisation begin to bear dividends.

<i>The writer is a research fellow at the Strategic and Economic Policy
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I think education doesn't matter, recent Indian Muslim terrorist in UK had proved, education and upper middle class Muslim family can produce terrorist, Ideology or Islam is a problem.

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<b>Three kinds of extremism</b>
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->DR A.H. KHAYAL
Our military and police checkposts are being invaded. Our police and military personnel are being killed. Every day is a field-day for the kidnappers. Rockets are being fired at our civilian localities. Innocent men, women and children are being torn to shreds. Suicidal and remote-controlled explosions are galore. And equally galore are human casualties.
The country has become a virtual human slaughter house. The Pakistani animals are extremely scared. They cannot believe what their eyes are seeing. They are whispering into each other's ears: "Aren't we lucky that we were not born as humans?"<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

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<b>Domestic debt rises to $42.6 billion</b> <!--emo&:flush--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/Flush.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='Flush.gif' /><!--endemo-->

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->ISLAMABAD: <b>Pakistan’s total outstanding domestic debt rose to Rs2.599 trillion ($42.6 billion) by May-end 2007, from Rs2.299 trillion ($37.68 billion) at the end of fiscal year 2005-06.</b>

During 11 months (July-May 2006-07), the government borrowed about Rs302.34 billion or US Dollars 5 billion (13.1 per cent) more at the end of June 2006, the State Bank of Pakistan (SBP) said.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Cheers <!--emo&:beer--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/cheers.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='cheers.gif' /><!--endemo-->

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<b>PIA’s Chicago flight to end in September</b> <!--emo&:flush--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/Flush.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='Flush.gif' /><!--endemo-->

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->ISLAMABAD, Aug 23 : <b>Mounting losses due to eroding customer base forced the Pakistan International Airlines (PIA) to stop flights to 11 foreign destinations over the past few months and it is going to discontinue its service to yet another destination, Chicago, next month.</b>

The airline with the fast shrinking international network has also decided to reduce frequencies on four destinations. The airline says it is suffering losses to the tune of Rs1 billion a month.

The destinations PIA discontinued its flights to in the past few months are Houston, Frankfurt, Amsterdam, Rome, Athens, Moscow, London, Nairobi, Urumqi, Singapore and Colombo, while Chicago would be taken off the PIA operation charts from Sept 15.

The destinations that are being operated with reduced frequencies are Paris, Birmingham, New York and Dubai.

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With this latest news in addition to the rising Pakistani External Debt to over USD 40 Billion as well as Pakistani Domestic Debt rising to over USD 42 Billion - a Total Increse of Over USD 7 Billion during the Financial Year 2006-2007 - India's Beloved Prime Minister The Right Honourable Dr. Man Mohan Singh Ji has started to lose his Beauty Sleep! <!--emo&:furious--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/furious.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='furious.gif' /><!--endemo-->

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Now how they are going to transport terrorist and drugs. This must be big loss to Paki Army. It is very much possible Indian PM may have offered Air India to his Paki brothers based on first right on Indian resources. He must be working day and night to resolve this issue. I hope US and Pakistan will get equal portions of India. <!--emo&--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->

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http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Govt_to...ue_with_Pak/art
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<b>Govt to take up Lahore gurdwara issue with Pakistan </b>
The Times of India - 24 Aug 2007

But Sikh PM refused to get involved in any atrocities on Hindus world wide. This I called devoted Sikhs.

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<b>Mudy Ji :</b>

<b>Govt to take up gurdwara issue with Pak</b>

Please note the following :

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->NEW DELHI: External affairs minister Pranab Mukherjee on Thursday said the government has sought a report from its high commission in Pakistan on an alleged takeover of a Sikh shrine in Lahore by hooligans.

Replying to a mention made by SAD member Sukhdev Singh Dhindsa, Mukherjee said once the government was aware of the facts, it would take up the matter with Pakistan and ensure that the shrine was released in case it was taken over by hooligans.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

However, the following is of interest :

<b>No tussle with Muslims over temple : Sikhs</b>

<b>LAHORE : Bishan Singh, chairman of the Pakistan Sikh Gurdwara Prabandhak Committee (PSGPC), said on Thursday that Muslims and Sikhs had been living together peacefully since Partition and that Sikhs were not being discriminated at the Bhai Taro Singh Gurdwara in Naulakha Bazaar.

He, along with devotees of Pir Shah Kaku, told reporters at the Lahore Press Club that the pir was buried in the gurdwara and that Sikhs and Muslims had been visiting the gurdwara for many years.</b>

However, they said the act by the hooligans, who have taken over the gurdwara and have stopped Sikhs from entering it, was illegal and not supported by the Evacuee Trust Property Board (ETPB). Bishan also opposed the painting of one of the gurdwara’s domes green.

<b>Bishan and the devotees said Pir Shah Kaku was the mentor of Mian Mir, who laid the foundation stone of the Golden Temple. Bishan said that the real place of worship for Sikhs was Dera Sahib Gurdwara and that sometimes foreign and local Sikhs visited Bhai Taro Singh Gurdwara to pay tribute. He said a gatekeeper was deployed at the gurdwara and he welcomed people of all religions including Muslims on Thursdays.

He also the gurdwara had not been locked and nobody had tried to take it over. “Rather, Muslims at the time of Partition had renovated the gurdwara. We thank the government for renovating all our gurdwaras,” said added.

He said the print media had painted a negative picture by stating that the green dome was part of the gurdwara. “The green dome is the pir’s shrine in the gurdwara and the Islamic slogans have been painted on the shrine,” he added. He invited members of the Shromani Prabhandak Committee of Delhi to fly to Pakistan to check the gurdwara.

<span style='font-size:14pt;line-height:100%'>He said, “I strongly disagree with the news that Sikhs and Muslims have tussled over the gurdwara. This news is baseless and Sikhs all over the world should ignore it.”</span></b>

As such there is no point in getting agitated at the Right Honourable Prime Minister as the Orders have been given to Pranab Mukherjee by <b>SHE WHO MUST BE OBEYED</b> and it is given for only one reason.

You got it in one!

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<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->As such there is no point in getting agitated at the Right Honourable Prime Minister as the Orders have been given to Pranab Mukherjee by SHE WHO MUST BE OBEYED and it is given for only one reason.

You got it in one!
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You protect my religion, i will protect yours and let us work together to screw others.
I think Sikh PM knows how and when to insults Hindu, don't under estimate him. SHE is she, Leader of third Reich.

Pakis are nice people, especially those who goes to pir,
Nareshji,
For a long time we had not seen Indian MEA staff getting Paki love. Why ?
Are they in bed together?

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<!--QuoteBegin-Mudy+Aug 24 2007, 08:25 PM-->QUOTE(Mudy @ Aug 24 2007, 08:25 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Now how they are going to transport terrorist and drugs. This must be big loss to Paki Army. It is very much possible Indian PM may have offered Air India to his Paki brothers based on first right on Indian resources. He must be working day and night to resolve this issue. I hope US and Pakistan will get equal portions of India.  <!--emo&--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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<b>Mudy Ji :</b>

One does not want to take up cudgels!

However, with PIA going down the chute, Pakistan National Shipping Co. going down the Toilet and Pakistan Railways going down the tube one must try to find the reasons for all this “Phlushing”.

Where has all the Money Gone, still Going and will keep on Going?

Pakistani Monies are Channelled via the PIA to the Air Force, via the PNSC to the Navy and via the Education-Health-Welfare & Railway Budgets to the Pakistani Army.

Thus you will find the Real Pakistani Annual Defence Budget-Expenditure is about USD 10-15 Billion whereas the official figure is between USD 5 and 6 Billion.

This news is heartening as the continuous drain of Pakistani Resources to the Defence Expenditure is pushing Abdul the Bulbul and his Begum into more and more Poverty.

As such will India marches ahead Pakistan will find ever lower points of achievement!!

Can’t be Bad from the Indian POV!!!

BTW : PIA has about 40 Aircrafts of which about 10 can enter European & US Air space. They have about 20,000 Employees.

The merged Air India + Indian Group has 112 Aircrafts and about 34,000 Employees.

As such "Perhaps I Arrive - Please Inform Allah - Prayers In Air" seems to be on the Road to Extinction.

Cheers <!--emo&:beer--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/cheers.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='cheers.gif' /><!--endemo-->

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<b>Seven soldiers killed in N. Waziristan suicide attack </b>

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<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Can’t be Bad from the Indian POV!!!</b>

BTW : PIA has about 40 Aircrafts of which about 10 can enter European & US Air space. They have about 20,000 Employees.

The merged Air India + Indian Group has 112 Aircrafts and about 34,000 Employees.

As such "Perhaps I Arrive - Please Inform Allah - Prayers In Air" seems to be on the Road to Extinction<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

<b>Nareshji</b>,
Shubh Shubh Boley !

Now I am worried, Moron Singh, Queen ,Aiyar and MEA may come up with novel idea by having short stoppage of Indian carriers to drop kura karak in La-hore, Islam-a-bad or Ka-richi.
So called, keeping First citizens of India in good humor. I can tell you this is not good. Let them fly bankrupt; less money will go to Paki Army/Air force.

[Naresh]

<!--QuoteBegin-Mudy+Aug 24 2007, 11:17 PM-->QUOTE(Mudy @ Aug 24 2007, 11:17 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->You protect my religion, i will protect yours and let us work together to screw others.
I think Sikh PM knows how and when to insults Hindu, don't under estimate him. SHE is she, Leader of third Reich.

Pakis are nice people, especially those who goes to pir,
Nareshji,
For a long time we had not seen Indian MEA staff getting Paki love. Why ?
Are they in bed together?
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<b>Mudy Ji :</b>

Sikhism is the BASTION OF Hinduism - at least in North India.

This is what the Pakistanis are trying to break apart.

The Right Honourable Dr. Man Mohan Singh is there to warm the “Prime Minister’s Chair” until Madam can bring in Raol Gandhi as the Prime Minister of India.

On can criticise MMS but he is only <b>His Mistress’s Voice</b> as he has no Political Constituency being a Member of the Rajya Sabha.

If 850 Million Hindus of India cannot protect Hinduism then there is no point in looking up to MMS.

Re Pakistani Treatment of Indian Diplomatic Staff : I think that the Indian Authorities have given a befitting “Treatment” to the Pakistani Diplomatic Staff in India. In addition with all their efforts Pakistan has still not been able to establish a Consulate Office in Mumbai.

It is truly said <b>“Laaton Kay Bhoot Laaton Say He Maantay Hain”</b>

Thus Pakistani Authorities have stopped dispensing their Love of the Peaceful Religion to the Indian Diplomatic Staff!

Cheers <!--emo&:beer--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/cheers.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='cheers.gif' /><!--endemo-->

[Naresh]

<!--QuoteBegin-Mudy+Aug 24 2007, 11:25 PM-->QUOTE(Mudy @ Aug 24 2007, 11:25 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Friday is working day  <!--emo&--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<b>Seven soldiers killed in N. Waziristan suicide attack </b>
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<b>Mudy Ji :</b>

That takes care of 504 Virgins and 252 Boys!

Cheers <!--emo&:beer--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/cheers.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='cheers.gif' /><!--endemo-->

[Naresh]

<!--QuoteBegin-Mudy+Aug 24 2007, 11:32 PM-->QUOTE(Mudy @ Aug 24 2007, 11:32 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->
<b>Nareshji</b>,
Shubh Shubh Boley !

Now I am worried,  Moron Singh, Queen ,Aiyar and MEA may come up with novel idea by having short stoppage of Indian carriers to drop kura karak in La-hore, Islam-a-bad or Ka-richi.
So called, keeping First citizens of India in good humor.  I can tell you this is not good. Let them fly bankrupt; less money will go to Paki Army/Air force.
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<b>Mudy Ji :</b>

No Worries.

The Article <b>PIA’s Chicago flight to end in September</b> states that Lufthansa, Air France and the Swiss Airline are resuming their Operations. Also British Airlines & Cathay Pacific are increasing the number of their flights to Karachi.

They will pick up all the Koora, Katta and Kachra

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[Naresh]

<b>Mudy Ji :</b>

Lo Kur Lo Baat!

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