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[Guest]

It will be too late for BB to cash in. You never know, in case US see Nawaz is gaining support, they may start supporting him and dump her again.
She should return now.

[Naresh]

<!--QuoteBegin-Mudy+Sep 10 2007, 11:35 AM-->QUOTE(Mudy @ Sep 10 2007, 11:35 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Which General is supporting Nawaj?
This is a bravo act, he can't do it on his own. We know US and Saudi are still supporting Mushy and making BB to do Mujara.  Nawaj did something extra bravdo. Again who is supporting him? Iran/ Shia
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<b>Mudy Ji :</b>

IMHO :

1. None of the Pakistani Generals’ support Nawaz as no serving General is going to jeopardize his chances of Promotions which are due anytime now.

2. Nawaz is a Sunni. Lakhi Bai’s Granddaughter is Shia. Mush is a Tush first and last but in addition I believe he is a Shia.

3. Nawaz raison d’être of returning to Pakistan is the Chief Justice Chaudhri’s - in Cocking a Snook at Mush the Tush - ruling that as a Pakistani Citizen Nawaz cannot be stopped from returning to Pakistan.

4. Nawaz Sherif’s main support is from the Pakistani Punjab whose Population comprises about 70% of Pakistan’s Population.

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[Guest]

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Mush is a Tush first and last but in addition I believe he is a Shia.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
He is sunni/Balveri

Without Jarnail support, anyone can roast Nawaz on bridge.

[Naresh]

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<b>Mudy Ji :</b>

Mush the Tush being a Barelvi : I stand corrected. Thanks.

Regarding Generals’ Support : May be from the “Retired” Club. None of the Active one’s are going to jeopardize their “forthcoming Promotions”. They may, and I repeat may, advise Mush the Tush for a face saving compromise with both Nawaz and Lakhi Bai’s Granddaughter.

Let us see how the cocoon spins!

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[Naresh]

[center]<b><span style='font-size:14pt;line-height:100%'>Nawaz Sharif arrested at Islamabad airport</span></b>[/center]

<b>ISLAMABAD : Former Pakistan Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif, who arrived home on Monday after seven years in exile, was arrested at the Islamabad airport, following his refusal to hand over his passport to immigration authorities.

He was not allowed to disembark from the PIA plane which was surrounded by commandos.</b>

As soon as the aircraft landed, a senior army officer along with a group of officials was seen entering the plane for discussing various "options" with the PML-N leader.

All other passengers were allowed to come out of the plane.

Immigration authorities asked Sharif to hand them over his passport but he refused to do so, journalists travelling with Sharif from London, said.

<b><span style='font-size:14pt;line-height:100%'>Cabinet Ministers say that Sharif will be given an option of being deported or being jailed.</span></b>

Journalists on board the plane said Sharif prefers remaining in Pakistan instead of being deported.

There was undeclared curfew at the Islamabad airport and outside areas with security forces closing all roads to the airport and arresting top opposition leaders and hundreds of activists to foil plan to accord warm welcome to Sharif.

The Pakistan International Airlines plane PK-786, carrying the exiled leader landed at Islamabad International Airport at 9:15 AM IST.

Sharif, whose government was overthrown in a military coup led by General Pervez Musharraf in 1999, and was sent into exile one year later, announced his decision to return home last month.

<b>On August 23, Pakistan's Supreme Court ruled that the Sharifs "have an inalienable right to enter and remain in country, as citizens of Pakistan" under Article 15 of the Pakistani Constitution.

<span style='font-size:14pt;line-height:100%'>"Their entry into the country shall not be restrained, hampered or obstructed by federal or provincial government agencies, in any manner," a seven-member Bench of the court said in a unanimous decision.</span></b>

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[Naresh]

<b><span style='font-size:14pt;line-height:100%'>Nawaz Sharif deported ISLAMABAD</span>, Sept 10(AP)</b> <b><span style='font-size:14pt;line-height:100%'>Former Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif was deported on Monday hours after he had landed in Pakistan from seven years in exile. About four hours after he arrived on a flight from London, Mr Sharif was taken into custody and charged with corruption, but then quickly spirited to another plane and flown out of Pakistan toward Jeddah, an intelligence official said.</span></b> An official in President General Musharraf's office confirmed Sharif was deported but did not divulge his destination. Both officials spoke on condition of anonymity. (Posted @ 13:12 PST)

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[Guest]

What Mushy is telling to rest of world is that these politician will bring instability in PPakistan and this will increase terrorism all over world and I think west is buying Mushy nonsense.
Anyway Nawaz was not supported by any power, so deportation was no surprise. Why public is not on road?

[Guest]

<b>Pak Govt calls Nawaz's bluff, reveals exile pact</b><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->CNN-IBN is now in possession of copies of the documents — called the ‘Confidentiality and Hold Harmless’ agreement. It shows Sharif will not engage in any business or political activities against the interest of Pakistan.

The former prime minister’s brother Shahbaz Sharif had also entered into an understanding with the Saudi Arabian government for staying out of Pakistan for a period of 10 years.
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I think Uncle is written all over, it means Uncle is still supporting BB and Mushy marriage.

[Guest]

state dept -
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->In Washington, State Department spokesman Sean McCormack said "the decision to deport him runs contrary to the Supreme Court decision" but declined further comment because the "matter is still under legal consideration."

McCormack said that "all involved in this political transition should turn away from violence and adhere to the rule of law."
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[Guest]

<b>Sharif deportation reignites feud with Musharraf</b><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->At 56, he has also remade his looks: Once nearly bald, he now sports a full head of dark hair.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--> <!--emo&--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->

[Guest]

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>The meltdown of Musharraf </b>
By Mirza Aslam Beg
Deccan Chronicle, 11 Sept 2007
Within three hours of General Ziaul Haq’s death, on August 17, 1988, Pakistan’s three services chiefs restored the 1973 Constitution, ensuring fair and free elections under the leadership of the Senate chairman, Mr Ghulam Ishaq Khan. Democracy thus restored lasted for over ten years, and was struck down on October 12, 1999. The law of necessity provided legitimacy to military rule, which, as the fourth military takeover, added up to 33 years of dictatorship out of 60 years of our independence. This is a misfortune that has struck Pakistan, and continues to debase the face of democracy and free society.

The bold decision of Chief Justice Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry, on March 9, 2007, to challenge the ill-conceived Presidential Reference, has unleashed forces that want to break the shackles of dictatorial power. Now, after a long period of deprivation and denial, a visible change is in the offing which augurs well for democracy. Weakened from inside, General Musharraf often covers up this fact through the overt threat of delivering knock-out punches in the political arena, trying to drag the Saudi monarch into our internal matters. This is quite unethical. General Musharraf should show courage and rise to the occasion to take a bold decision. The decision to shed his uniform as part of a deal with Benazir Bhutto, has deprived him of political grace. If he had decided this on his own, he would have gained politically. He has few options left and is now asking the mainstream political parties to grant him a five-year lease of life.

What followed after the March 9 Presidential Reference were cataclysmic events — the Lal Masjid carnage, the July 20 judgment of the Supreme Court, the London Declaration of Democratic Movement (APDM), and the Supreme Court judgment of August 23, clearing the way for Nawaz Sharif’s return to Pakistan. All these events taken together have served as catalysts for a new political paradigm emerging in the country. Benazir Bhutto is trying to upgrade the deal with Gen. Musharraf who desperately needs a political anchor. In return, Bhutto wants the corruption cases pending against her dropped and wants to become the Prime Minister for a third time. If these conditions are accepted, she would be prepared to support the President for a further term in office.

Instead of following the Constitutional path, a deal is being forced on a wretched Pakistani nation. It is no democracy where issues are settled without the consent and involvement of the people. The tall claims of accountability made by Gen. Musharraf as a justification for dismantling the civilian political order, and the contrived arrangement with Bhutto come hardly within the pale of democratic polity. Yet there is a silver lining: the hope that the counter-forces shall deliver a respectable political system.

The recent political polarisation is a positive development. The emergence of APDM will create a political balance against the status-quo group comprising PPP, MQM and Muslim League (Q), who are disposed towards the United States and the Army. Benazir Bhutto and Gen. Musharraf are giving final touches to the deal, but the mood of the people is different. The Constitutional movement has freed the country from apathy and indifference, and therefore, the change in the political landscape will occur under a new ethos. The judiciary is independent and is expected to pronounce judgments of far reaching consequences. The August 23 judgment has given a new boost to Nawaz Sharif and the APDM. The government is in a state of panic, resisting Nawaz Sharif’s return to Pakistan. Sharif’s popularity has unnerved the establishment. He is not likely to strike a deal, because he knows that the tide has turned in his favour. He also enjoys the confidence of the die-hard nationalists such as PONM, who were heard saying: "We hated Punjabis for what the Army has done to us, but now we have found a saviour in a Punjabi — Nawaz Sharif. We expected so much from the Daughter of the East, but she has failed."

The US favours Bhutto because of her flexibility. Sharif is defiant and responsible for the atomic explosions of 1998, despite the US persuasions to the contrary. In this moment of truth, the US’ personal preferences may not be the best option. US interests would be better served if the elections in Pakistan are absolutely free, fair and transparent. Whichever political party comes to power, the US should learn to engage with the true representatives of the people. This is the essential feature of the emerging political paradigm in the country. Nations who proclaim to be the champions of democracy must honour its principles in Pakistan as well.

The prevailing conditions resemble that of 1988 to some extent, when the Russians were routed at the hands of the Afghan Mujahideen. Gen. Ziaul Haq outlived his utility for the Americans when they demanded that Pakistan should not press for transfer of power to the Mujahideen and must sign the Geneva Accord, but Gen. Zia was opposed to these demands. He was therefore removed from the scene, because had he lived, there would have been no civil war in Afghanistan and power would have been smoothly transferred to the Mujahideen. This is how the US deals with its benefactors.

Gen. Musharraf has accomplished what the US desired of him. He has outlived his utility, therefore the financial aid bill has been signed by President George W. Bush imposing tough conditions on Gen. Musharraf, as well as warning future governments that in order to maintain cordial relations with the US, the new government would have to eliminate extremist elements from Pakistan and Afghanistan. In other words, what US and Nato forces could not accomplish, Pakistan will have to do.

If history is any guide, peace will return to Afghanistan and Pakistan as soon as the occupation forces leave, because there is no other alternative of ensuring peace and stability in the region. The US must also realise that the regional environment has changed drastically. In Pakistan, the middle class has brought about a silent revolution of far-reaching consequences. It would be wise on the part of the US to enter into a dialogue with the democratic forces, and the new elected government after the 2007 elections. They should foster better ties and relations with the masses rather than the dictator for a more meaningful relationship between the two countries.

The gathering storm on the Pakistani horizon has elicited mixed reactions. Some see the possibility of the President taking a brute hold of power through unconstitutional measures. But there is light at the end of the tunnel.

The battle lines between the two opposing political forces have been drawn. The presidential coalition — PPP, PML(Q) and MQM — is desperately trying to steal a march on the APDM by striking a deal with the government. APDM enjoys the strategic advantage of public support. The people are opposed to any kind of deal with the establishment and the US. APDM also enjoys the support of the bar, the bench and the media and will play a decisive role in the coming elections.

This is the rising tide, the political tectonic shift which has lifted Nawaz Sharif to new heights and brought about a sudden change of political fortune.

The meltdown has started. Regime change has become inevitable. The military bondage will be broken, thus paving the way for a peaceful transition to the rule of law and peoples’ power.

Military takeover is a contrived power, whereas real power emerges from the trust people bestow upon their representatives. 

Thomas Paine said it very aptly: "All delegated power is trust and all assumed power is usurpation."

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[Guest]

Nawab house in Arabia .

Human rights -
<b>Pakistan: Musharraf Illegally Forces Sharif Back Into Exile</b>

[Naresh]

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<i>* Says former prime minister chose exile over arrest</i>

<b>ISLAMABAD : Nawaz Sharif was sent back into exile in Saudi Arabia because of mounting pressure on Pakistan from the Saudi government insisting that the former PM honour his agreement, according to government officials.

They also said Nawaz was given the choice upon landing at Islamabad of being put under arrest or deported, and he chose the latter option. “Nawaz Sharif has gone to Saudi Arabia according to the same agreement that took him there earlier,” Information Minister Mohammad Ali Durrani told reporters.</b>

Religious Affairs Minister Ejazul Haq also said Nawaz was sent back under pressure from Saudi Arabia.

PML President Chaudhry Shujaat also said Nawaz was given the two options, though he made conflicting statements about which choice the former prime minister made. While Nawaz was still at the Islamabad airport, Shujaat Hussain said in a statement reported on AP that Nawaz had chosen arrest over exile. However, in a later statement issued in Islamabad and reported on Geo after Nawaz was deported, Shujaat was quoted as saying that Nawaz had chosen to go into exile rather than be arrested. staff report

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[Naresh]

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<b>Mudy Ji :</b>

IMHO Uncle refuses to "PHORGIBE" Nawaz Sherif for have Exploded the Chinese "Bum".

In addition NS has got far more public support than BB - after all Pakjabis are about 70% of the Pakistani Population.

Thus Uncle can manipulate BB who will rely on the Pakistani Army's support - with PA being Uncle's
<b>Good Dog Rover!</b> - the Pakistani Government will do its utmost to carry out the biddings of the Great White Massa!

This is going to be interesting!!

Watch this Space!!!

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[Guest]

http://www.thenews.com.pk/updates.asp?id=29050

<b>18 killed in D.I Khan suicide blast </b>

[Guest]

<b>Former Pakistani leader fights expulsion</b> <!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->ISLAMABAD, Pakistan - Lawyers for former Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif went to the country's highest court on Tuesday to challenge his deportation, setting up another confrontation between the judiciary and the <b>U.S.-backed military ruler </b>struggling to hold power in Pakistan.
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I think he came without plan 'B' and 'C', got stumped after 'A' was tossed out.

[Guest]

<b>Security forces kill 40 militants in Pakistan</b>

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[Naresh]

[center]<b><span style='font-size:14pt;line-height:100%'>Hockey Champions Trophy shifted from Pakistan</span></b> <!--emo&:flush--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/Flush.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='Flush.gif' /><!--endemo--> [/center]

<b>KARACHI : The prestigious Hockey Champions Trophy, due to be held in Lahore in December, has been moved away from Pakistan due to safety and security concerns.

“It was an extremely hard decision and one we took with many regrets for the Pakistan hockey community,”</b> said International Hockey Federation (FIH) President Els van Breda Vriesman in a news release on Wednesday. “During the last few months we tried everything we could to keep the Champions Trophy in Pakistan. This was unfortunately impossible due to circumstances not related to hockey or sport and completely beyond the control of the FIH and the Pakistan Hockey Federation.”

<b>Malaysia and India have been nominated as alternative venues to host the event. reuters</b>

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[Shambhu]

Went thru Pakistan article (by Markey, I think) in "Foreign Affairs" July/Aug courtesy B&N. Same story: Mush is bad, but not supporting him would bring badder people.

One line was: "We absolutely need Pakistan; with neighbors like Afgh, Iran, India, and China, Pakistan has to be supported" or something like that. ("india" too! I must say, its an honor to be nominated!)

Heh! Americans cannot stop digging their own grave.

[Guest]

<b>Suicide bomber kills 20 Pak elite officers</b><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->in an mess in a high-security army camp at Tarbela dam in Northwestern Pakistan, 50 km from Islamabad, on Thursday night killing at least 20 officers of an elite force and injuring 44 others.

Reports from Tarbela said the bomber from the Taliban militia targetted the elite Special Security Group unit which had taken part in the July 23 Lal Masjid operations in which scores of armed militants were killed.

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