This is a Christian government period. Most anti-India and anti Hindu.
Sikh PM should also destroy his religious text which contain Ram naam and call it a myth and stupid text.
This is neither modernist or rationalist. This is pure stupidity. Why so many trains on Durga Puja, they should call that myth and stop wasting money. Durga Puja just add money in commies kitty.
Why Haj for Muslims?
They just know how to attack Hindus. Had they said Mohamad was a myth they had riots all over India.
I hope mid term poll now, they will get what they deserve.
09-13-2007, 03:51 AM
(This post was last modified: 09-13-2007, 03:59 AM by ramana.)
Is Ambika Soni also a Church Goer?
The issue of the Ram Setu is secondary. The issue is a secular govt affadavit arguing that one of the principal dieties of a major religion does not exist. How is that secular and constitutional?
I was thinking that this is a Modernist attack on religious beliefs of the Hindus akin to MF Hussain's scrawls. The more I think about it, it is a relgious attack on another religion. The UPA cannot be at loggerheads with the Left and do this attack which would bolster the Left in the ultimate end game. So who are they trying to benefit?
Lalu said on Saregama PA on Zeetv that Lord Shiva came to him in a dream and he became a vegetarian after that. What does he have to say about this affadavit by his govt.?
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Yes, married to IFS officer who is retired. She was known for extra-marital relationship with Sanjay Gandhi.
Famour slogan or posters in 70s in Delhi was "Koi pathar se na maro mere deewane ko" and "Manchali khaha chali".
They were for Ambika Soni and Amrita SIngh's mother Rukhsana Sultana
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->One should add that the majority of politicians in Sonia Gandhiâs closed circle are either Christians or Muslims. She seems to have no confidence in Hindus.<b>Ambika Soni, a Christian, is General Secretary of the Congress and a very powerful person, with close access to Sonia Gandhi</b>. Oscar Fernandes is Union Programme Implementation Minister. Margaret Alwa is the eminence grise of Maharasthra. Karnataka is virtually controlled by AK Anthony, whose secretaries are all from the Southern Christian association. Valson Thampu, a Hindu hater, is Chairman NCERT curriculum Review Committee, John Dayal, another known Hindu baiter, has been named by Sonia Gandhi in the National Integration Council ; and Kancha Ilaya, who hates Hindus, is being allowed by the Indian Government to lobby with the UN and US Congress so that caste discrimination in India is taken-up by these bodies. link
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If there was no Ram Setu, there was no Sabri , no Valmiki also. Is there any Lanka? <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
How about Bharat? if no Rama than Bharat (his descendant) does not exist either!! and neither does India or Hindustan or Bharat!! We are all naPakistanis. <!--emo&  --><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Manmohan need to come out to media and say something!!
Rama is associated with Truth(Satyamev Jayate) and this government has decided to <b>falsify</b> the thousands of years of literary evidence that survived despite repeated attacks by Islamists and Christians.
How about physical evidence!! Can't somebody just show the Satellite pictures to the judge and tell him about all the research?
I will only say one thing!! Truth alone Triumphs!! SATYAMEV JAYATE.
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Mass conversion by insulting other religion.
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Worst idiot became India's PM. He is even worst than VP Singh.
I am surprised with this Government. Any political party will not make such a big political mistakes as every one wants to come to power again and again and enjoy its fruits.
Why the current congress has guts to do that is most unpopular and assume that they can come back. Do they have such sharp brains and are their caluculations correct?
If they comeback then the rot in the hindu community is at highest level in several centuries.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Why the current congress has guts to do that is most unpopular and assume that they can come back. Do they have such sharp brains and are their caluculations correct?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Think, who is behind this government? or which foreign power is behind. You will get answer.
They have divided Hindus on caste basis, this will consolidate Muslim and Christian votes towards them.
I think this will back fire, upper caste and OBC will vote against Congress.
Midterm poll now.
Seer arrest on Diwali eve.
Attack during Diwali festival, no culprit captured,
Bomb blast in Varanasi
Attack at Ayodhya
Arrest of Aditya yogi.
This is a very calculated move by Moron Singh and CHristian Government.
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Thursday, 13 September , 2007, 01:21Â
Bhopal: The Bhartiya Janshakti president Uma Bharti on Wednesday criticised the Centre over its affidavit on Setusamudram project in the Supreme Court and warned to go on hunger strike if it was not withdrawn.
In the affidavit, the Archaeological Survey of India (ASI) rejected the claim of the existence of the "Rama Setu" in the area where the project was under construction. The Centre also told the apex court there was no historical evidence to establish the existence of Lord Rama or the other characters in Ramayana.
<b>Bharti said the government's stand on the sea lane project was an insult to the Indian culture, pride and also Lord Rama. </b>
<b>She warned to launch 'fast unto death' at Delhi from September 18 if the affidavit was not withdrawn. </b>
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<b>Hey Ram! God save the govt</b><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->The VHPâs Praveen Togadia asked the Congress to remove the immortal words âHey Ram!â from Mahatma Gandhiâs samadhi. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
mother fkers !@#$$%%, things like this makes me so damn restless, what are we letting it happen? why are we letting it happen in india? damnit!
09-13-2007, 02:58 PM
(This post was last modified: 09-13-2007, 03:03 PM by Bodhi.)
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Most TV channels and English media has ignored this news. We missed this news on the forum too.
Allahabad High Court has given a landmark judgement a couple of days back. Responding to a PIL moved by a priest of Varanasi, it stated that like lotus is national flower, and peacock national bird, Jana Gana Mana national anthem, like that Bhagawad Gita can be called the national dharma grantha. It said that Gita is not a sectarian document like the other granthas. It is not a theology. It is a value system of all humanity that India should be proud of. It said Gita inspired countless freedom fighters, and more than anything else, was the backbone of India's national spirit in various forms.
Court also admitted the government's excesses on temples of Hindus. It also said that excluding Parsi, Jew, Christian and Muslim - followers of all the other faiths that originated in India are known as HINDU. It also admitted and inquired how Hindus are becoming minority in parts of India and UP. It also directed Center and UP govts to set up separate task forces to safe guard the "Hindu" places of worship. Same bench (Justice Srivastava) that had earlier pronounced that Muslims are not to be treated as 'minority' by UP Govt.
Justice Srivastava will soon face the music. Watch it.
09-13-2007, 04:34 PM
(This post was last modified: 09-13-2007, 04:50 PM by Husky.)
X-posting post 19 in related thread
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Think, who is behind this government? or which foreign power is behind. You will get answer.
They have divided Hindus on caste basis, this will consolidate Muslim and Christian votes towards them.
I think this will back fire, upper caste and OBC will vote against Congress.
Midterm poll now.
Seer arrest on Diwali eve.
Attack during Diwali festival, no culprit captured,
Bomb blast in Varanasi
Attack at Ayodhya
Arrest of Aditya yogi.
This is a very calculated move by Moron Singh and CHristian Government.
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And didn't ex-'intelligence' person Schutz.Abteilung. Farmer and his boss WitSchutzStaffel promise to prepare for the 2009 Indian elections? Sonia will be happy for any and all help, so too the church of India. Sonia would then not forget to thank her non-existent (yet still bloodthirsty) jehovallah who - by the near-impossible miracle of base human cheating - would have got the christoterrorists back in power in India.
09-13-2007, 04:42 PM
(This post was last modified: 09-13-2007, 04:51 PM by Husky.)
<!--QuoteBegin-ramana+Sep 13 2007, 03:51 AM-->QUOTE(ramana @ Sep 13 2007, 03:51 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->The issue of the Ram Setu is secondary. The issue is a secular govt affadavit arguing that one of the principal dieties of a major religion does not exist. How is that secular and constitutional?[right][snapback]73051[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->It's but misleading oneself to think the Indian govt is in any way secular. The govt is christian, anti-Hindu, anti-Dharmic - to put it in the general (historical, global) context, it is anti-pagan (exactly what christian govts have been like in non-christian countries, Vietnam, Korea, Ancient Rome).
But Indians have been conditioned by psecularism to not see the blatant anti-Hindu unsecular christianism. Hence we ask questions like "how can the secular govt do such a thing".
This incident does not have anything to do with the constitution. It's all about the security they feel in their power to insult the beliefs of the majority - their confidence that they will trample us and we can/will not do anything about it. It's a declaration. The christos have finally declared themselves. And yet we're all still too numbed down to see it. They've got us injected with psecularism - even a little of that goes a long way, but we're on overdose - so what will us little Heathens be able to do now? Especially against Sonia and the other christo (and communislamic) terrorists who have the holy Papa on one side and the imperial Uncle on the other to make ensure they'll remain seated on the Indian throne?
And with the ueber-pseculars amidst our numbers (who will be chirruping to the christo government tune no matter if it were their own death knell) we can be assured they'll do our their very best to take us down with them when they sink in the bog.
Even very-Hindu Indians today have been inoculated with some psecularism, that's why all of us frogs are still sitting in the frying pan without knowing that it's smokin'. Until all Hindus become <i>consciously</i> Hindu and take some time to survey what's happening/been happening, we're a-roasting.
I can't imagine a more pathetic end. Like Bharatvarsha once said (and I am ruining his words by my pathetic paraphrase - sorry BV): going out with a Bang would be better than this ignoble ending we are subjecting ourselves to.
Even the Romans and Greeks eventually got to see christians openly draw swords on them. I worry that - in the current psecular stupour we're in - our population as a whole might not see the flashing swords that are <i>already</i> out until it is toooooo late.
Yet another round of christians playing the 'how to make non-christian population X commit suicide' again. Already described this game somewhere on IF before: stick the knife in victim's hand and twist it towards themselves, stab repeatedly. Easy as. Coroner (=historian) declares it suicide. And the Last Will and Testament of said victim curiously reads that the christomurderer inherits the land, the goods and everything else. Now too, the will has long been drawn up in anticipation of the victim's suicide.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--> <b>Section 295A. Deliberate and malicious acts, intended to outrage religious feelings or any class by insulting its religion or religious beliefs
1 [ 295A. Deliberate and malicious acts, intended to outrage religious feelings or any class by insulting its religion or religious beliefs.
Whoever, with deliberate and malicious intention of outraging the religious feelings of any class of 2 [citizens of India], 3 [by words, either spoken or written, or by signs or by visible representations or otherwise], insults or attempts to insult the religion or the religious beliefs of that class, shall be punished with imprisonment of either description for a term which may extend to 4 [three years], or with fine, or with both.] </b>
 http://www.vakilno1.com/bareacts/indianp.../S295A.htm
In terms of AIR 1958 SC 1032 Veerapathra Chettiar Vs. Ramaswamy Naicker, the latter violated the section when he broke a vinayaka vigraha. It doesn't matter if it is from a temple or whether puja has been done to the vigraha. EVR was punished under the Section according to the Supreme Court judgement.
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One does not require evidence that Rama Setu was man made to protect it. For example, there is absolutely no evidence that Jesus existed, yet Christian shrines are protected as a mark of respect for Christian sentiments. There is no evidence that Allah exists or that Muhammad flew out to the heaven on a horse in an overnight expedition, yet the mosque that purports that story is protected as a mark of respect for Christian sentiments.Nothing more, nothing less, Hindus believe that Rama built a bridge in that area. It is sacred waters for the Hindus. It must be protected. One cannot have double standards.
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Rama Setu: court issues
Huskyji,
I know about the falseness of Nazareth, but such is the rot that you have to talk half truths to these people..then they will see your point. If you start with how even Nazareth was a lie, you will be dismissed as a fundoo..'
We have to do what Muslims do best..get the little you can, and once that bit is safely in the pocket, fight for more (of course, th edifference being that muslims fight for lies, we will fight for truth)..
<b>PM, Sonia should apologise over Ram affidavit: BJP</b><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->New Delhi, Sept 13: Targeting Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and Congress Chief Sonia Gandhi on the Ram affidavit row, senior BJP leader L K Advani today demanded their apology for "hurting" religious sentiments of Hindus and ministerial accountability in the matter.
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 Manmohan need to come out to media and say something!! <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You are asking too much from Gadha.
Bajwaji, someone made a mistake by giving him name called Singh, he is actually a "greedy rat" or "gidhar" or "shameless". What a shame!!!
There was one Ranjit Singh and here is stupid idiot Manmohan Singh.
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<b>Govt to withdraw objectionable parts of Ram Setu affidavit </b>
<b>BJP wants dismissal of minister over Ram affidavit </b><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->New Delhi, Sept 13: The BJP Thursday demanded that the culture minister be dismissed if found involved in approving the government affidavit that said there is no evidence to establish existence of Lord Ram.
"Any minister, whether culture or of any other portfolio, if found involved in approving this blasphemous affidavit must be sacked. Action should also be taken against officials who prepared it," BJP Chief Rajnath Singh said over phone from Assam as Union Law Minister H R Bharadwaj announced that a supplementary affidavit would be filed in the Supreme Court.
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He also accused the government of insulting the constitution, which he said contained images of Ram, Sita and Hanuman.
"The government has made an assault on Hindu sentiments, which cannot be tolerated at any cost," the BJP chief said.
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<b>Until proven, a myth: Historians</b>
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->New Delhi/Calcutta, Sept. 12: Ram cannot be considered a historical figure despite references in ancient literature because crucial material evidence to authenticate his existence has not been found, historians have said.
<b>âA textual reference necessarily needs to be corroborated by inscriptions engraved in stone or other long-lasting material or by archaeological evidence,â </b>said Nayanjot Lahiri, professor of ancient history at Delhi University.
Until such evidence is found, a character or event in texts or literature is considered mythological, historians said.
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<b>Historians caution, however, against accepting all that is written in texts about historically proven characters as well. There are aspects of the lives of the Maurya dynasty â that included Ashoka â which, though mentioned in texts, are yet to be established.</b>
In contrast, the life of King Harshavardhana â 590 to 640 AD â that the Harshacharita talks about is almost completely documented, experts said.
âThe earlier texts are naturally harder to date. The characters and events they mention are even harder to track down archaeologically,â historian Shahid Amin said.
But Nyayacharya Pranabeshwar Smrititirtha, who teaches at the Sitaram Vaidik Mahavidyalaya, near Dakshineswar, laughed out aloud on being told about the affidavit.
âWill we forget the shastras because of someoneâs random comment? Shall we forget Valmiki? Is the timing of Durga puja meaningless?â the Sanskrit scholar asked.
âWe clearly utter, during the invocation, mantras on how Ram performed the puja to kill Ravana. Is that false? Let them prove it first. An epic will carry an allegorical element, but that does not mean the entire work is imaginary.â
Yoga guru Baba Ramdev said the affidavit was an insult to the Hindu faith. âDoes the government have the courage to deny the existence of the important figures of other religions?â he asked.
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After Nayanjot Lahiri death, we can say he never existed, let see whether he inscribed his name on some stone. These historians are really fool. They should have told our ancestors that write everything on stone.
It also means generation before language came never existed. What a moron are these historians. They should shut down these history department.
Hey Ram!!.
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