BJP Future - 5

[Guest]

After N-Deal, HD Deve Gowda had realized its a bad idea to tank with Congress. I hope BJP use these opputunity to bring real development in Bangalore, which needs real help in infrastructure.

Till they don't take oath, I will never trust Gowda, he can beat any pendulum.

[Guest]

This Yediyurappa seems to be driven... Seems to be giving motivation for JD(S) to pull the rug. wonder why? Does BJP figure that elections are better?

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PT Bopanna | Bangalore

Angered by the daily pinpricks being inflicted by coalition partner Janata Dal (Secular), particularly Chief Minister HD Kumaraswamy, BJP Ministers in the Karnataka Cabinet boycotted the Cabinet meeting on Thursday for nearly 90 minutes.

Though Kumaraswamy did not buckle under pressure, both the parties decided to hold a co-ordination committee meeting on Friday to sort out the issues.

What provoked the BJP Ministers was Kumaraswamy's claim on Wednesday in Gulbarga that his party's tie-up with the saffron brigade had dented the secular credentials of the Janata Dal (Secular).

However, the immediate provocation was the appointment of a person as member of the Karnataka Public Service Commission (KPSC) by the Chief Minister, without consulting the BJP, even though the member should have been proposed by the BJP, under the power-sharing agreement.

Though the Chief Minister arrived at the Cabinet Hall at 9 am, he found that the BJP members were absent.

The Chief Minister learnt that the Ministers were in a huddle at the official residence of Minister Ramachandre Gowda.

They decided to boycott the Cabinet meeting unless the Chief Minister withdrew his "anti-BJP" remarks and also cancelled the appointment to the KPSC. It is learnt that the BJP Ministers also contacted the party high command at Delhi and sought their permission to withdraw from the Government.

Meanwhile, the Chief Minister asked his secretary to contact Deputy Chief Minister Yediyurappa after waiting for nearly an hour. Yediyurappa reportedly told the secretary about the decision of the Ministers.

It is learnt that the Chief Minister insisted that the BJP Ministers should go to Vidhana Soudha, the State Secretariat, where he would offer clarifications. Health Minister R Ashok of the BJP was deputed by the Chief Minister to convince his colleagues.

The Ministers, led by Yediyurappa, went to the Vidhana Soudha and sat in the chambers of the Chief Minister.

They reportedly wanted the Chief Minister to discuss the issues raised by them at the Chief Minister's chamber. However, the Chief Minister was firm that the matter should be discussed only in the Cabinet Hall. The Ministers finally agreed to attend the Cabinet meeting.

Kumaraswamy is believed to have gone on the offensive and accused the BJP Ministers of not trying to contain their partymen, including MLC Janardhana Reddy of Bellary mines scandal fame, and Tourism Minister B Sriramulu who had launched a tirade against him.

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[ramana]

I think there is a plan to pull the rug and ensure that BJP doesnt come to power.

BJP-JD(S) rift may hit transfer of power

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Nistula Hebbar / New Delhi August 31, 2007

The tension between the BJP and its ally in Karnataka, the Janata Dal (Secular), seems to be mounting as the time of transferring the chief minister’s post from incumbent Kumaraswamy to Deputy Chief Minister Yediyurappa draws near. 
 
According to an agreement between the two parties, <b>the Janata Dal (S) has to give over the chief ministership to BJP’s Yediyurappa in October. Except that the JD(S) is now in two minds over the issue.</b> 
 
Sources confirm that JD(S) chief and former prime minister Deve Gowda is troubled at the prospect of going to polls with the BJP. 
 
<b>“The setting up of the government after the JD(S)-Congress alliance came apart last year was always a short-term solution. For a secular party like the JD(S), to go into an alliance with the BJP, is a problematic situation,”</b> said a senior minister in the Karnataka government. 
 
Chief Minister Kumaraswamy admitted to reporters that “my MLAs would not take a transfer of power to the BJP in the right way.” 
 
<b>In a move seen as preparation for polls, he has initiated a programme of surprise visits to rural hamlets in Karnataka. The BJP has also responded by rounding up its ministers in the state government and going on a “bus yatra” across the state in a bid to bring the government to the people.</b> 
 
State BJP president Sadananda Gowda, however, insists that the BJP is only depending on what Kumaraswamy has said on the floor of the House. 
 
“He has promised on the floor of the House that the transfer of power will take place as scheduled, till now we are sticking to that,” he said. 
 
The nervousness in Bangalore, however, is palpable. A co-ordination committee meeting between the two parties scheduled this week has been put off due to the mistrust between the two sides. 

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Are those MLAs really secular? Or are they being dagabaaz? What is Karanataka secularism based on?

[ramana]

It is important for BJP to rule for sometime in a Southern State and show it can govern.

[Guest]

It is important that BJP rule atleast for sometime. Tactically if BJP does not rule Karnataka, it will just lose this state in the next election. There is a lot of backlash to the current government in BLore. They need to do a lot of good when they rule.

My gut feeling is JD(S) will not allow Yediyurappa even if it allows BJP. Deva Gowda is worried that a new powerful leader will emerge in Karnataka politics. With all the mess happening around, Congress may have a cake walk at the hustings.

[acharya]

<!--QuoteBegin-Muppalla+Aug 30 2007, 01:17 PM-->QUOTE(Muppalla @ Aug 30 2007, 01:17 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->It is important that BJP rule atleast for sometime. Tactically if BJP does not rule Karnataka, it will just lose this state in the next election. There is a lot of backlash to the current government in BLore. They need to do a lot of good when they rule.

My gut feeling is JD(S) will not allow Yediyurappa even if it allows BJP. Deva Gowda is worried that a new powerful leader will emerge in Karnataka politics. With all the mess happening around, Congress may have a cake walk at the hustings.
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I have met Dy CM Yediyurappa when he was on his trip. He told me personally that the agreement will be honored and he will be the CM after 20 mths. He said his friendship with Kumarswamy was with trust.

This is a historical times in K'taka. The people are beginining to see change and have hopes for the future. They have realised the past was wasted and they want a future which they can identify.

YEsterday in the Udaya TV news Bangarappa is predicting elections in the state by Oct. This is a possibility. He is seeing the sound bites of Congress and Deve Gowda.
He is predicting similar situation at the center with the UPA govt.

But the situation is that the ruling parties dont want to rock the boat at the state and the center.

[Guest]

<!--QuoteBegin-acharya+Sep 7 2007, 02:17 AM-->QUOTE(acharya @ Sep 7 2007, 02:17 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->This is a historical times in K'taka. The people are beginining to see change and have hopes for the future. They have realised the past was wasted and they want a future which they can identify.
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Could you eloborate on this? What change that Karnataka people are seeing? My Banglore based friends are sore about Deva Gowda and family rule. Don't you think that will affect the BJP in the state?

Don't you think it is advantage Congress if there is an election in the next month?

[acharya]

Bangalore people really do not understand what is happening in the rest of the state

[ramana]

Looks like DewaGowda is pulling a fast one. He is off to Delhi to try to abrogate the transfer of power in October.

[Guest]

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Discussions with BJP on transfer of power inevitable: Gowda 
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Hubli (Ktk), Sept 09: JD-S chief H D Deve Gowda today said discussions with BJP leaders are "inevitable" on the transfer of power to that party in Karnataka on October 03.

He told a press conference here <b>that he would meet BJP leaders in Delhi to discuss the transfer of power. </b>
Chief Minister H D Kumaraswamy had said he would hold discussions with senior JD-S leaders before transferring power to BJP's B S Yediyurappa, who is now Deputy Chief Minister.

<b>Gowda said when the JD-S aligned with the BJP to form a coalition government in Karnataka, the state unit of the BJP had consulted its national leaders on forming the alliance.

"Similarly, Kumaraswamy will have to consult the JD-S on the transfer of power," he said. </b><!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Deve Gowda's flip-flop is interesting. I think he is still banking on rural caste voters.

[Guest]

Security, stability to be BJP poll planks

ANITA SALUJA

NEW DELHI: The BJP has identified the three principal issues of security, stability and the Sachar report as the trident of the party’s election plank, in the event of a snap poll being forced on the country. The upcoming BJP national executive in Bhopal from September 21-23 is expected to fine tune the party’s electoral strategy.

According to party sources, security has become the principal concern of the people in the wake of the string of bomb blasts across the country — in Varanasi, Mumbai, Malegaon, Bangalore and Hyderabad. Stability is the second major concern. The Congress- led UPA Government has been shaky all through, with the UPA-Left differences overshadowing everything else. This will be contrasted with the BJP’s ability to provide a stable government for six years, from 1998- 2004, by delicately balancing the coalition.

The Sachar report which has become the government’s excuse for chalking out elaborate Muslim appeasement policies is the third issue. On the N-deal, Leader of the Opposition LK Advani has already set the line of attack for the BJP. While the Vajpayee Government made bold to defy the US and conduct nuclear tests in 1998, making India a proud nuclear weapons State, the Congress-led UPA Government is all set to surrender India’s strategic sovereignty and independence. Advani has already demanded amendment to the Atomic Energy Act 1962 or enactment of a domestic law, primarily to safeguard India’s strategic programme.

Clearly, Advani has moved to the party’s centre stage. As the tallest leader after former Prime Minister AB Vajpayee and as the unquestioned party strategist, he is set to become the principal leader of the party.

While Vajpayee is clearly the first choice of the party, it is pointed out that if his health does not permit him to play an active role, Advani is the automatic choice for the post of Prime Minister. Advani faced flak earlier after his Jinnah remarks which cost him the post of BJP president.

But his recent remarks on the N-issue, which brought about a subtle shift in the party’s stand on the Indo-US nuclear deal, have brought a quiet acceptance of his line

[Guest]

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During NDA rule, relations between India and the US were more friendly, but the NDA Government never compromised on strategic issues.

As the ruling party, we attempted an initiative for building a consensus in President and Vice-President polls. However, this time what to speak about building consensus, the ruling party did not even indirectly speak with the important Opposition parties. As our tallest and respected leader Atalji has already suggested in the past, the BJP believes that selection for such high posts should be based on consensus.

BJP will not permit any compromise on national security and will oppose any such policy of the Government.

To highlight the plight of farmers, BJP is considering a widespread programme. The National Executive should also consider this.

Minimum Support Price for wheat and other farm produce be immediately raised for farmers to get appropriate rights.

Attitude of the Central Government towards the Opposition is not only disrespectful but also despotic.

Parliament is a forum for debate and discussion and that's why its time should be suitably utilised. However, on account of the despotic attitude of the Government, numerous situations arose that we never wanted.

The NDA will come up with tougher anti-terrorism law after coming to power
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[ramana]

The next few weeks the BJP has to ensure that it comes to power in Karnataka and govern effectively. Next they have to chalk out a strategy in TN like the one in Bihar that negated Lalu Prasad. Getting DMK out of TN is the first step to take back Bharat from Hindusthan and India. The key to Vijayanagara was the monolithic South India that stood as a bulwark to Sultanate expansion.

[acharya]

BJP in Vizzy state of mind


Revelling in the nail-biting excitement of the T20 World Cup, I often look back to the pre-TV era of radio commentary. There are many voices from the age of description -- particularly Bobby Talyarkhan and the Calcutta trio of Pearson Surita, Sydney Friskin and Berry Sarbadhikari -- that resonate in the minds of Indians. But there is a special place for the most outrageous and infuriating of them all: the Maharajkumar of Vizianagram, 'Vizzy'.

The most intriguing thing about Vizzy's commentary, like his Captaincy and three-Test appearance for India in 1936, was that it had precious little to do with cricket. Everything about Vizzy was centred on the one subject he knew and loved best -- himself.

In the midst of an interesting session, it was routine for Vizzy to go off on a tangent about his schooldays, hunting achievements, conversations with Ranji and Plum Warner and even the state of traffic. Occasionally, he would return to cricket to let listeners know that India had lost two more wickets between his tiger story and the traffic grumble.

Vizzy was a crashing bore. He was also remarkably vain. He actually believed that he was making a seminal contribution to cricket. Surita once told me that the diminutive prince even employed a "little man" who transcribed every word his master uttered -- presumably for the Collected Works that never saw a publisher.

Cricket being a metaphor for life, there is an irresistible temptation to believe that Vizzy's ghost was lurking around Bhopal, the venue of BJP's National Executive meet.

The National Executive couldn't have been better timed. For two months, politics has been witnessing a spectacular churning. The cosy Congress-Left alliance of convenience that saw the UPA Government through for three years is on the verge of coming unstuck. Election fever has gripped the political class and the 14th Lok Sabha is on the verge of becoming history. Opinion polls, which predicted an easy UPA victory in early summer have now recorded a discernible slippage in Congress and Left support. A dormant sense of Hindu disquiet, initially aroused by the UPA's lamentable failure to confront jihadi terrorism, has turned to profound irritation after the Government's insensitivity on the Ram Setu episode. Tamil Nadu Chief Minister M Karunanidhi has added fuel to fire by choosing this moment to once again invoke the iconoclastic legacy of Periyar. To cap it all, the Third Front, the so-called UNPA, appears to be rapidly disintegrating, thereby providing enormous opportunities for the NDA to replenish its strength in Tamil Nadu, Haryana and Assam.

For a party that has been torn by existential dilemma since losing power in 2004, the political situation is much more favourable than its supporters ever imagined. The escalating anti-incumbency against the Congress is calculated to benefit the principal Opposition party which, in most States, is the BJP or its allies. In addition, the national ambitions of BSP leader Mayawati are likely to be extremely detrimental to the Congress and, by implication, help the BJP. In MP, Rajasthan and Chhattisgarh, the BSP may even lessen the weight of anti-incumbency against the BJP-run State Governments. Despite the UPA lead at the starting block, this is a winnable election for BJP and NDA.

Of course there is a caveat. To win, the BJP must convey the unmistakable impression of wanting to win. It has to promise the people what the UPA has failed to give the country -- stability, decisive leadership, uncompromising national security, economic growth with a human face and a commitment to fair play and justice. Commitments such as these can strike a chord in the electorate but only if the BJP itself looks credible. At present, its credibility is dependant on either the goodwill of successful State administrations like Gujarat, Punjab and Orissa or popular revulsion against State Governments run by the Congress and allies.
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Every General Election is an amalgam of national mood and State-centric verdicts. The BJP is in a position to benefit partially from the growing fragmentation of national politics into local compartments. However, this is not matched by a corresponding ability to mould the all-India discourse. At the national level, the Left has made more of an impact than the BJP.</b>

It does not require rocket science to know why there is a mismatch between BJP's potential and ability to deliver. Leadership uncertainties and organisational focus have not merely damaged its reputation as an opposition party but virtually destroyed its claim to be the natural party of Government.

The priorities before the National Executive were chalked out well before the first delegates trooped in. The gathering didn't need to be told that elections are round the corner, that the UPA has failed to address the crisis of agriculture and that the official attitude to the Ram Setu smacks of insensitivity. The National Executive isn't made up of political innocents, it is the cream of the BJP.

What was needed were deliberations on strategy, ground-level feedback on priorities and a dispassionate assessment of strengths and weaknesses. The National Executive should have been a rigorous workshop on preparations for an effective election campaign. It should have been the place to sort out the leadership issue which is the principal bottleneck before the party. Instead, a nervous leadership, painfully aware of its imminent irrelevance, fell back on expedient diversions like preaching Ram Setu to the converted and securing brownie points for an unsigned letter that reduced its tallest leader to a factional mascot.

In 1936, Vizzy 'led' a disastrous Indian tour of England. The visit saw the most accomplished Indian player being packed home for insolence and the least accomplished one being conferred Knighthood. Whether playing or commenting, Vizzy was a model of consistency. In his mind, cricket was just a never-ending Vizzy. The Vizzy legacy was generously evident at Bhopal this weekend.

[Guest]

<b>Advani back with a bang at BJP National Executive</b>

[ramana]

I don't know what that writer has against Vizzy. My uncle was his best friend and my dad was his lawyer. Our family knew their family very well. Vizzy 's style of commentary was before his time. He used post modern idiom and style. The people listening were supposed to know what he is talking about and not be ignorant. Then they would find it boring. Cricket was what was happening while Vizzy talked to his listeners.

Vizzy also delivered the only victory that the Indian team had against D.R. Jardine led English team at Vizianagaram.

Just because he is no more doesn't mean this writer can diss him. What is the link so I can rebut it?

[acharya]

BJP signals it is ready for polls

Neena Vyas

We’ve put 2004 poll defeat behind us: Advani

BHOPAL: The Bharatiya Janata Party’s message from Bhopal was loud and clear: it is ready to face the electoral challenges ahead with the help of a strengthened and expanded National Democratic Alliance to once again emerge as a claimant to power at the Centre.

Addressing a press conference here, BJP president Rajnath Singh expressed the hope that very soon some parties would enter into a formal alliance with the BJP.

This message was also reflected in the remarks of the Leader of the Opposition in the Lok Sabha, L.K. Advani, at the concluding session of the party conclave. “I can say without hesitation that it is in Bhopal that our party has left the after-effects of the 2004 elections fully and firmly behind. The BJP is no longer in the despondent mood that set in after the 2004 Lok Sabha defeat.” Mr. Singh said a large number of BJP leaders were ‘swayamsevaks’ and that he had asked the RSS for full-time volunteers to work as organisation secretaries at various levels in the BJP. Yet, the BJP had always taken its own decisions and would continue to do so. He was responding to a question on the BJP’s ties with the RSS.

Both Mr. Singh and Mr. Advani identified the Left parties, the Dravida Munnetra Kazhagam (DMK) and the Congress itself as destabilising forces in the polity — the DMK for its remarks on Ramar Sethu, and the Left and the Congress for the open verbal duel on the nuclear deal. Mr. Advani charged the Congress with deserting its coalition dharma by sticking to the nuclear deal in spite of stiff opposition by the Left.

Mr. Advani said it was false propaganda by the Congress that the BJP was opposed to energy security for India. His charge was that it was the Congress which had ignored strategic security through the nuclear deal. Mr. Singh announced a number of party programmes aimed at strengthening the party for a possible mid-term election: among other things, constituency-level party workers’ meetings, BJP committees at booth-level covering the entire country by this year-end, and a national council session of the party in December to give effect to women’s reservation in party committees.

The party president identified the issues to be highlighted: the stability crisis, misgovernance by the UPA, mishandling of terrorism and internal security issues, appeasement of minorities and ‘pseudo-secularism.’

[ramana]

They have to bring out clearly how minority appeasement and pseudo-secularism actually retards the progress of minority interests by making them beholden to the INC and others of that ilk as votebanks.

DMK has greater role than the Ram Setu. They are against the mainsream of Indian interess of harmony and progress. That is the reason why they should be negated. The INC didnt kow the agenda and thought that DMK was an improvement over DK and made alliances with them. The DK, DMK and what not ideology is to break away from mainstream India if there is weakness at the Center. They need to be brought back into the South Indian mileu. If Eleam is setup in Sri Lanka then these folks will carry out armed rebellion. It was lack of contiguous supply chain that stopped them in their tracks.

[Guest]

The following news item may put BJP at third position in the election. Now it the party they can never ignore in Karnataka. All they need to do is work hard and make sure they get substantial seats from Karnataka during Loksabha elections.

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<b>JD(S) fares well, BJP in third place</b>

The trend, as the counting of votes of the September 28 poll progressed, indicated that opposition Congress which has bagged 1,111 seats was only marginally ahead of JD(S).

<b>Amid confusion over the October 3 transfer of power in Karnataka, the JD(S) on Sunday put up an impressive show in the Urban Local Bodies (ULBs) election in the state winning 1,044 seats, while its coalition partner BJP won 669 seats and was at the third place.

The trend, as the counting of votes of the September 28 poll progressed, indicated that opposition Congress which has bagged 1,111 seats was only marginally ahead of JD(S).</b>
Reacting to his party's performance at the hustings, Chief Minister H D Kumaraswamy told reporters that "we were hitherto rated as a rural based party. And now urban voters have also expressed their trust in my party."

He said that though he did not campaign in the election, yet his party had done well, Kumaraswamy said.

The JD(S) has done well in spite of his not campaigning in the elections unlike his coalition partner BJP and opposition Congress, whose top leaders undertook electioneering on a large scale, he added.

Though the outcome of the elections held in 209 ULBs will have no bearing on the JD(S)-BJP coalition government, it would affect the proposed parleys between the allies on power transfer, which has run into rough weather now.

BJP senior leader Yashwant Sinha is camping in the city and is expected to call on JD(S) chief H D Deve Gowda this evening to sort out differences between the parties and ensure smooth transfer of power.

Meanwhile, BJP leaders refused to react to the dismal performance of the party and chose to wait till the process of counting ended and the final tally emerged.

Elections were held in 4,920 wards on September 28 and in 85 candidates were elected unopposed.

[Guest]

Godwa is not trust worthy, seems like very manipulative and was able to fool other when he bacame PM.