Pakistan News And Discussion-13

Naresh · (This post was last modified: 11-01-2007, 02:13 AM by Naresh.)

QUOTE(Mudy @ Oct 31 2007, 09:47 PM)So Mushy won this round or we can say China's new stooge showed middle finger to Unkle's new hire BB. <!--emo& Big Grin

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Mudy Ji :

Haathi Kay Daant Khaanay Kay Aur - Dikhanay Kay Aur!

Fact : The United States of America does not want âDemocracyâ in any of its Client States.

Take the case of 9/11.

Mush the Tush - being a Military Dictator - was asked âAre you with Us or Against Us?â i.e. Will Mush as The Leader of Pakistan obey the Orders given by the United States or its Official - from President down to the Official Dog Catcher in ANY Small town USA?

Mush the Tush being a Military Dictator said "Y E S SIR, IMMEDIATELY!".

Had there been any semblance of Democracy or a Genuine (faulty though it may be) Political Leadership then the Answer from the Prime Minister (BB of NS or Abdul the Bulbul) would be Sir-Madam I will request the Pakistani Parliament to agree to your obey the Orders given by you i.e. the United States or its Official - from President down to the Official Dog Catcher in ANY Small town USA.

The process of getting agreement from the Parliament would be a long drawn affair without any guarantee of success.

Thus the need of the United States of Americaâs Client States to be Ruled by a Military Dictator.

Now to the case of BB : The USA Authorities - from President down to the Official Dog Catcher in any Small Town USA - are well aware of Mush the Tushâs ingrained Hatred for the Bhutto Clan.

This emanates form the incidence of Haridas Bhutto as âPrime Minister - President - Chief Martial Law Administratorâ humiliating Mush the Tushâs Father, Musharrafuddin - when Musharrafuddin was posted in the Pakistani Embassy in Jakarta(?) for Financial Irregularities.

As such, I believe, that the USA knowing of Mush the Tushâs hatred for ZAB and now BB proposed BB for Premiership of Pakistan knowing full well that at the end of the day Mush the Tush will Hem and Haw but either BB would implicitly obey Mush the Tush or Mush the Tush would be the Sole Ruler of Pakistan.

Whilst BBâs main support is in Sind NSâs support is in Punjab which holds 70% of the Pakistani Population.

As such NS would, in all probabilities, become the âMouse that Roaredâ and not obey the Orders of the USA - Mush the Tush or no Mush the Tush.

Thus this nomination of BB by the USA has been more of âPlay Actingâ then anything else.

Please always keep in mind that Haridas Bhutto had a deep hatred for the USA and was the chief instigator of Pakistan stopping to be the âRunning Dog of the American Imperialist Capitalistâ to become the âLap Dog of the Chinese War Lordsâ.

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11-01-2007, 09:57 AM

Nareshji,
Mushy is very clever, after collecting Hafta from Unkle, moving VVVIP from Kunduz safely, able to hide No1 and No2 in very good place, property for Kids in Amrika, now he started looking at Chini, till now they were hidden friends, but after Lal Masjid, everything is open and very clear. I think Pak is not in Unkle control. After seeing Unkle's condition in Iraq, Mushy had changed side openly. Don't forget, till Kargil Chini bhai was playing both side. On one hand provided material to Indian Nuke plants and delivered audio of Mushy gup-sup to India and on other hand weapons and other supports to Pak.
Pakies are under impression that Unkle economy is going in drain and whaterver dollars he is hiding in basement is losing value every minute, time had come to collect Yuan or Indian Rupee.
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Naresh · 11-01-2007, 10:54 AM

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SARGODHA : A suicide bomber rammed his explosive laden motorbike into a bus carrying Pakistani air force officials Thursday, killing at least eight and wounding 40 others, the interior ministry said.

"The bus was carrying trainee flying officers when it was attacked by the suicide bomber" in the Sargodha district of central Punjab province, interior ministry spokesman Brigadier Javed Cheema said.

"Eight air force officials died in the terrorist attack," Cheema said, and around 40 were wounded.

"It was a suicide attack and the target was the bus which was carrying the air force officials," chief military spokesman Major General Waheed Arshad said. Sargodha is home to the largest air force base in Pakistan.

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Naresh · (This post was last modified: 11-02-2007, 01:17 AM by Naresh.)

Mudy Ji :

The Pakistanis - of course all Muslims - Hatred for China is far greater than that for the United States of America.

This is due to the Chinese takeover of the Islamic Republic of East Turkmenistan which had a Population content of 95% Muslims.

Over the last nearly Sixty Years the Chinese have changed the Demographics of Xinjiang by mass Immigration of the âHansâ into Xinjiang whereby the Muslim Population content is about 45% presently.

Xinjiang is about Twice the size of Pakistan and provides possibly 50% of the Chinese Reserves of Strategic Minerals including Oil and Natural Gas.

The Iranians and Pakistanis are trying to use the Russians and Chinese against the USA but even Russia is hated by the Muslim Countries due to the âMuslim Problemâ in Chechnya, Dagestan and Ingushetia. In addition Russia has another Ten Muslim dominated ASSRs.

In ending Pakistan is going nowhere. It will remain under the USA (providing a foot hold for CARistans - for whatever it is worth) and China (as a counter balance to India).

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Naresh · 11-02-2007, 01:16 AM

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QUOTEISLAMABAD : Extraordinary steps will be taken to meet extraordinary situation in the country and the national leadership has completed consultations over the matter, sources said.

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11-02-2007, 02:29 AM

QUOTE 8 killed, 40 injured in Sargodha suicide attack on air force bus 
They are repeating what they had practiced in J&K. Now, we have to see when they will repeat Kaluchak type in Land of Pure in most prestigious place. That will bring peace to 35 families in India.

11-02-2007, 02:47 AM

Benazir changes mind, flies to Dubai 
Karachi: Former Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto was travelling to Dubai on Thursday, just two weeks after she returned to Pakistan from an eight-year exile, airline and party officials said.

QUOTE Bhutto leaves Pakistan for Dubai (CNN) Pakistan's former Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto has flown out of Pakistan for the Gulf city of Dubai, two weeks after returning from an eight-year exile. The opposition leader, has not seen her family in the Arab emirate since her arrival October 18 in Pakistan.

Bhutto planned to leave Wednesday, but abruptly delayed her trip after after a senior party leader with her Pakistan People's Party advised against it, citing political concerns.

"She has gone to Dubai to see her ailing mother and children," her spokesman Farhatullah Babar told The Associated Press on Thursday afternoon after Bhutto was seen stepping onto an Emirates plane in Karachi. "She will come back on November 8," her spokesman added.

Bhutto landed at Dubai's international airport and was greeted by her husband, according to The Associated Press, then driven away in a silver Bentley to her family villa.

11-02-2007, 03:12 AM

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Most Pakistanis oppose force against Qaedaâ
* 80pc reject permitting foreign troops in Pakistan
* Little confidence in BB, Nawaz, MusharrafQUOTEThe poll concluded that just 44 percent of urban Pakistanis favoured sending the Pakistani army to the Northwestern Tribal Areas to âpursue and capture Al Qaeda fightersâ. Only 48 percent would allow the Pakistan army to act against âTaliban insurgents who have crossed over from Afghanistanâ. In both cases, about a third oppose such military action and a fifth decline to answer.

Foreign troops: Pakistanis reject overwhelmingly the idea of permitting foreign troops to attack Al Qaeda on Pakistani territory. Four out of five (80 percent) say their government should not allow American or other foreign troops to enter Pakistan to pursue and capture Al Qaeda fighters, the poll found. Three out of four (77 percent) oppose allowing foreign troops to attack Taliban insurgents based in Pakistan.

The results of the poll of 907 Pakistanis reveals that a majority of urban Pakistanis believe their governmentâs decision to attack militants holding Lal Masjid in Islamabad was a mistake.

11-02-2007, 03:22 AM

QUOTEhttp://in.reuters.com/article/topNews/idINIndia-30272120071101
CHRONOLOGY - Over 700 killed as militancy spirals in Pakistan
Thu Nov 1, 2007 2:01pm IST

REUTERS - A suicide bomber on a motorcycle rammed into a Pakistan Air Force bus killing at least eight people near the central city of Sargodha on Thursday, the latest attack in a surge of militant violence since the storming of Islamabad's Red Mosque in July.

More than half of the 700 people killed since July have died in suicide attacks and bomb blasts.

Here is a chronology showing some of the worst bomb attacks.

* July 14: Suicide car-bomber kills 24 paramilitary soldiers and wounds 29 in North Waziristan.

* July 15: Sixteen people, most of them paramilitaries, are killed in suicide-bomb ambush on patrol in Swat valley in North West Frontier Province (NWFP). Separately, suicide bomber targets police recruiting centre in Dera Ismail Khan in NWFP, killing 29.

* July 17: Suicide bomber kills 16 people outside court in Islamabad where country's suspended chief justice, Iftikhar Chaudhry, was due to speak.

* July 19: Three suicide attacks in a single day kill at least 52 people. At least 30 are killed in southern town of Hub. In northwest city of Hangu a car bomber kills seven people. And at least 15 worshippers are killed at a mosque in northwest Kohat.

* July 27: Suicide bomb attack in restaurant near Islamabad's Red Mosque kills 13 people, most of them policemen.

* Aug. 24: Suicide bomber kills five soldiers and wounds 30 in attack on convoy in Waziristan. Hours later another suicide bomber kills another soldier in region.

* Sept 4: Two suicide bombers kill 25 in Rawalpindi.

* Sept. 11: Suicide bomber kills 16 people in northwest Dera Ismail Khan.

* Sept 13: At least 15 soldiers killed in suicide bombing in an army canteen near Islamabad.

* Oct. 19: At least 123 people killed by a suspected suicide bomb attack on former Benazir Bhutto as she is driven through Karachi after eight years in exile. The attack is one of the deadliest in Pakistan's history.

* Oct 20: Car bomb kills four people in gas-rich southwestern province of Baluchistan.

* Oct 25: Suspected suicide bomber kills 21 people, including 17 soldiers, in an attack on an army convoy in the northwestern Swat valley. Thousands flee clashes between militants and troops over the following days.

* Oct 30: Suicide bomber kills seven people in an attack less than a kilometre from President Pervez Musharraf's army residence in the garrison town of Rawalpindi.

* Nov 1: A motorcycle-riding suicide bomber rams a Pakistan Air Force bus killing eight people in central Punjab Province.

Source: Reuters

11-02-2007, 03:28 AM

QUOTElink:
The suicide bomber, who struck Rawalpindi less than a kilometre away from President Pervez Musharrafâs camp office and in front of CJCSC General Tariq Majeed, killed three policemen belonging to a picket of security staff of the general. A senior police officer on the spot triumphantly declared to a TV channel that his department had three-layered security for the president and the suicide bomber had been intercepted at the first picket. At the time of the explosion, the president was in his camp office meeting his top security officers. This was surely an attempt to get at him or at General Majeed, whose troops stormed the Lal Masjid earlier this year.

The Interior Ministry says the suicide bombing had nothing to do with the Lal Masjid affair and the ongoing Fazlullah affair in Swat. We have no way of knowing how the ministry has come to this conclusion, especially as we know that one earlier attempt on the life of the president through the targeting of his plane from a house in Rawalpindi with an anti-aircraft gun was linked to Lal Masjid, and Lal Masjid was clearly linked to Fazlullah in Swat.

11-02-2007, 03:30 AM

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40 security officials made hostage by Freedom Fighters in KhwazakhelaQUOTESpokesman of the militants in Swat, Maulana Sirajuddin told Geo News that the security officials surrendered in the evening.

He said that the security officials were brought down through a helicopter at a mountain in Khwazakhela at any time in the previous night and they were surrounded by the militants at the same time after which firing was exchanged from both the sides nearly all day.

He said that his companions were also bomb attacked and a few bombs fell in nearby residential areas due to which seven citizens were killed

Naresh · 11-02-2007, 02:48 PM

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Naresh · 11-02-2007, 03:44 PM

[center]The urban-rural divide : Dr Ayesha Siddiqa[/center]

QUOTEMANY Pakistanis today are extremely upset with the return of Benazir Bhutto and the National Reconciliation Ordinance which, in their view, defeats the purpose of curbing corruption in the country. Why did General Musharraf destabilise a civilian government, start corruption cases against the politicians and force them into exile, and spend government money on establishing institutions such as the National Accountability Bureau if he had to eventually retreat?

*Notwithstanding the fact that he is master of retreat*, the NRO further deepens doubts in the minds of many regarding the credibility of the political leadership. Such sceptics were extremely perturbed to see hundreds and thousands of people come out to receive Benazir Bhutto. So, Oct 18 added to the confusion in the minds of the people.

* : World Champion in "Down Hill Racing"

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Shambhu · (This post was last modified: 11-02-2007, 10:33 PM by Shambhu.)

I wonder what the tally of the Tall and the Tight who have been fortunate enough to receive the blessed hospitality of the brave freedom-fighters? <!--emo& Smile

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I ask most humbly for Allah to refresh the spirits of the freedom-fighters. I ask for Him to shower peace and blessings upon their chosen guests.

Ameen.

11-03-2007, 12:55 AM

Here comes tall and Tight

QUOTEMilitants say surrendering Pakistani troops freed SWAT, Pakistan, Nov 2 (AP) - Militants said Friday they had freed 48 government troops after they surrendered in Swat valley in northwest Pakistan. The militants, masked and armed with AK-47 assault rifles and long knives, escorted journalists to two-story concrete building in the town of Charabagh to show off 48 men said to have surrendered during the fighting. They were later freed. Barkatullah, 24, who, like other captives, was wearing civilian clothes, said they had left their uniforms at their posts. âWe had no ammunition. We had no other option.â Cleric Fazlullah's spokesman, Sirajuddin, also said the 48 troop captives had been freed and were going to their homes. He claimed 100 more security forces had surrendered elsewhere in Swat. Those held in Charabagh said they did not want to fight other Muslims and fellow Pashtun tribesmen. Collectively they told reporters they were resigning from their jobs. âI will prefer to become a labourer instead of fighting against our own people,â said Riaz Khan, 24. Militants in the South Waziristan tribal region are still holding more than 230 soldiers kidnapped two months ago. Mohammed Hanif, an aide of Fazlullah, said militants had also captured two foreign men but had yet to decide what to do with them. He had no details about their nationality or occupation. Local media reports have suggested they are journalists. (Posted @ 16:05 PST)

Shambhu · 11-03-2007, 02:41 AM

Ah! So 230 + 100 + 48 = 378 (at least) have received peace and blessings from the Most Merciful Most Beneficient Most Mostificient Mostful One..

**acharya** · 11-03-2007, 03:27 AM

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Why Not Dissolve Pakistan, Too?

Pakistan is not a country. It is a failed British fantasy about the fabrication of a nation-state. It has other failed and failing peers in the Middle East, all fabricated during the 20th century. It is time to seriously review all of these structures and redraw the borderlines.

Pakistan was a phrase coined for an idealistic confederation of five Muslim provinces within the old British-controlled India (Punjab, Northwest Frontier Province or Afghania, Kashmir, Sindh and Baluchistan). However, these are tribal lands with distinct traditions and have very little in common. These provinces were all knocked together, on presumption of a common religion, and a âdominionâ was fabricated within the Commonwealth with self-governance authority akin to independence after World War II. It was all part of the post-war fire sale of territorial control of Britain. The ill-conceived plan even set up a separate territory of East Bengal as East Pakistan, a subcontinent away, with the rough-and-ready argument of common religious beliefs and a majority Muslim population. East Pakistan eventually became independent and renamed itself Bangladesh.

Pakistanâs short 60-year history is full of coups and raw, violent tribal rivalry, peppered by jailing or executing the previous rulers. Most recently, we saw a stark and bold example of such rivalry: a returning Pakistani politician, a former prime minister, was deported from his own country.

There is no commonly accepted language among these tribes and thus the official language of Pakistan is English.

For as long as I remember, Iranâs eastern border with Pakistan has always been a hub of instability, smuggling and violent crime. Pakistan is the main transit route for opium and heroin from Afghanistan, where more than 90% of the worldâs opium supply is produced. In turn, that cash flow encourages money laundering, armed banditry, murder, violence and corruption. Therefore, several conflicting layers of official structure naturally form, each operating as lawless gangs or states within a state. Drug-infested territories have a poor record of development. Power and corruption leads to uneven, Byzantine relations between groups and to opaque alliances. Meanwhile, the masses remain in poverty: according to the World Bank, thatâs about a third of all Pakistanis.

In this kind of political greenhouse of a country, no new politicians or doctrines surface. I wonder why news about Pakistani politics seems to be a game of musical chairs, with familiar names and faces periodically recycled.

There are other issues to ponder, namely a nuclear arsenal, missiles, a brisk small-arms export business (about $250 million a year) and the schizophrenic dual-tracked âfriendshipâ with the U.S., al-Qaeda and Wahhabi extremists. Pakistanâs aimless Kashmir policies are perfect examples of circular political indecision. U.N. peacekeepers have remained stationed in Kashmir for more than three decades.

Pakistan is a relic set up as a counterweight to India -- and its tendency to tilt towards the Eastern Block. I think it is high time to revisit the old composite structure of five provinces combined into one artificial country. A redrawing of borders might serve useful and to cut through the farce. Let each province mature and declare independence. Some will eventually join their long-time tribal allies, leaving two or three independent lands and a more transparent political agenda.

Naresh · 11-03-2007, 03:37 AM

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QUOTENEWYORK - American and European diplomats have been urging Pakistan president Pervez Musharraf against imposing emergency rule, with a warning that such a measure would put Western aid and support at risk, The New York Times reported from Islamabad Friday. "What they are saying is that this would put in jeopardy all kinds of assistance and support," the newspaper quoted an unnamed Western diplomat as saying. "It would be just very difficult to support this government."

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11-03-2007, 10:36 AM

QUOTEWhy Not Dissolve Pakistan, Too?
No, I am against, because I don't trust Indian leaders. Atleast now we have Armed forced, bum etc, otherwise by now Indian national language would have been Mandrain.
Lets thanks Pakistan and its continous attack on India.

11-03-2007, 09:16 PM

QUOTEEmergency declared in Pakistan
Story Highlights
Emergency rule declared, constitution suspended, Chief Justice expelled
Troops enter Supreme Court, court declares emergency illegal
Ex-PM Benazir Bhutto said to be returning to Pakistan from Dubai
Most media channels off the air due to an apparent media blackout
Seems like Judges were thinking to invalid Mushy fraud election.
All those bomb blast were indeed Mushy's job to scare world that things are really bad in Palistan.
Pakistan was under Marshal law anyway, now Mushy is dictator supported by Chini.
Is it possible, he is new Saddam for civilized world?

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