Indian Economy: Growth -3

[Guest]

<!--QuoteBegin-"ravish"+-->QUOTE("ravish")<!--QuoteEBegin-->THIS IS EXAMPLE OF YOUR SHINING INDIA.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

why are you calling India as 'your India'. Let me answer that for you.
Because you are from the $hit hole called bangladesh and dont belong to india.
HAHA now that you have shown yourself to be from BD all your rants and cries against india becomes clear.

<!--QuoteBegin-"ravish"+-->QUOTE("ravish")<!--QuoteEBegin-->...RANTS AND CRIES OF AN BD...<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Who cares what an naxalite supporting islamic fundoo like you thinks. <!--emo&--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tongue.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--emo&:bcow--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/b_cowboy.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='b_cowboy.gif' /><!--endemo-->

[ravish]

Thanks for the complement. You have no idea who I am so you have the courage to brand me a refugee from BD. It does not matter, my security rating remains unaltered despite your assertions.
See u

[Guest]

No need for name calling folks, please edit you posts and let's agree to disagree now and then.

[Guest]

@ ravish

As i said earlier who cares for your naxal(loser's) opinion. <!--emo&:bcow--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/b_cowboy.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='b_cowboy.gif' /><!--endemo-->

[Guest]

<!--QuoteBegin-Viren+Feb 19 2008, 09:46 PM-->QUOTE(Viren @ Feb 19 2008, 09:46 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->No need for name calling folks, please edit you posts and let's agree to disagree now and then.
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Virenji i would have even apologized if asked to by you but sorry in this matter. ravish has supported the mass murdering naxals. i am not going to support a person who supports the killing of innocents, the looting of their meagre savings and these naxals who have even turned cannibals to try to create a fear psychosis in the poor farmers that they harass daily.

The person who supports the naxals is akin to hitler and pol pot and such a person does not deserve an apology but instead an strong rebuke.

[Guest]

Someone here was shedding crocodile tears for the farmers. Enjoy this news. The democratic gov responds to the needs of the people as shown in the report rather than killing them as happens in a communist dictatorship.

<b>UP govt to instal new tubewells in drought-hit Bundelkhand</b>

Lucknow, Feb 19 (UNI) The Uttar Pradesh government has decided to instal 87 new tubewells and repair 90 defunct tubewells in the drought affected Bundelkhand region of the state during the next financial year starting from April next.

The state government announced the enhancement of the annual maintainance fund for each tubewell in the state from existing Rs 12,000 to Rs 20,000.

Addressing a press conference here today, the newly appointed tubewell and minor lift canal department minister Jaiveer Singh said in the current financial year, the government would complete construction work for 106 tubewells in the Bundelkhand region.

''In view of the drought situation in Bundelkhand and the decreasing water level there, the government has also decided to make deep boring in all the new tubewells'', he said.

Presently over 31 lakh hectare of land was irrigated through 28366 tubewells, in the state.

Meanwhile, the minister reviewed the functioning of his department and warned eight Executive Engineers for not completing their target.

[Guest]

Farmers are dying, Moron Singh is sleeping, he only wakes up when Madam from 10 Janapath slap him with her chappal.

WB is a waste land now, ideologically and economically.

Rs is back to slide. Oil price at $105 will bring slide to 10 Janapth also. <!--emo&--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->

[Guest]

Harsh: 13 cops and 2 civilians were killed Orissa by Naxals/Maoists.
No amount of verbal ju-jitsu by India Whining walas can justify it.

Mind you these are the same people who'll whip out a Gandhi card when convenient to them. Ask them about Gandhi's reaction at Chari Chaura and you'll see a them tongue-tied.

Take my advice, some statements aren't worth commenting upon. You haven't been here long enough, else you'd have noticed that I've stopped responding to them.

[Guest]

Viren ji I respect your opinion but we cant let an naxal sympathizer like ravish a free reign here.
These people who dont respect the democracy and free speech also dont have the right to preach us that the killing of farmers by these naxal terrorists is a good thing.

These naxals should be resisted in every way whether in this forum or if one meets such murderers in public. These devils cant be allowed to get away with supporting criminals.

It is an duty of a citizen who respects democracy to resist such anti-democratic forces. Otherwise we will get yourselves reduced to living in an dictatorial police state like china.

[ravish]

Virenji,

I do appreciate your considered views on the impasses that got exchanged between me and another interlocutor in this forum. I am of the view that this forum needs to be kept as distinct as possible from tea shop talks, as it is a medium for exchange of views among civilized people. Without going into the various allegations and name calling, I have a strong feeling that my presence in this forum is a source of provocation for certain individuals to be abusive which in turn degrades the standing of the forum itself.

I have served this nation for a little over three decades, particularly in the field of international relations and has virtually seen India’s rise from an improvised South Asian Nation to that of a major economic and military power. Today we stand with pride for our achievements of the last sixty years. Having said that, you will agree that our system is yet to be perfect so that all the citizens can have an assured descent lifestyle. Therefore, we should turn a blind eye to the outstanding social and economic problems of the nation.

I will soon be leaving for an assignment as India’s representative in another country and as such it may not be perhaps appropriate for me to get into mud slinging exchanges with other bloggers. So I take leave of you and my fellow bloggers in this forum.
Wish all of you all the best

Jai Hind

[Bodhi]

tea shop visiters are uncivilized? may be adicts but uncivilized...just wandering...

that reminds me of:

mrityu-devi kI mukhya-sevikA, hai chhalanAmaya madhushAlA,
madhushAlA kI hI anujA hai, chhadma-veshinI 'TEA'-shala

(=> tea-shop is only a younger sister of the famed madhushala)

by the way world is a small place. just asking... by any chance did we meet last month at a function in Calcutta Club? Expressions, sentiments, and *facts* presented in the arguments were the same, so I ask. Though on second thoughts, this brand of thought is easily found in every corner these days.

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Last week I have been traveling in the ganga-jamuni-doaab - region so named by the secularists and islamists - the area of UP that is between the two rivers of Ganga and Yamuna. Traveling from the rural areas of Rampur-Moradabad in north to Badayun in mid and Aligarh-Firozabad in south - I could not help noticing the tremendous economic changes that have taken place in the last 10-15 years. One must be blind or insane to say that the economic betterment has not reached the rural areas.

Power is better, roads are good, irrigation is better. schools though not very good, but are at least functioning. Could see students learning and teachers teaching. New paper sales (Hindi) are on rise in rural side, and so is the mobile and TV penetration. People are much more aware. Presence of cold storages, public distribution of fertilizers and other assistance, BT, and so on was visible everywhere. Every few KMs on the rural roads were the state govt offices for farmer assistance. Generally people were appearing happy (comparing with what I have seen before or elsewhere). Though expectations always rise and nobody can ever be content with what they have. But old generations know what they had 30 years back. Of course centuries of illness will take decades of cure. patience.

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While traveling in a passenger train, between Aligadh and Gaziabad, I was sitting on a crowded seat with two young kids near me. Suddently their talk surprised me. The elder of the two - a girl of not more than 6 or 7 - was reporting to her mom, "The other asked if I was a Muslim?" "I told my Ammi is wearing a Burka, cannt you see, I said".

These were kids of such young age and aware of a "Muslim" identity. I just have not come across such awareness of branded religious identity from Hindu kids. But then this is the Ganga-Jamuni-tehjeeb that the secularist dont get tired talking about.

These already developed districts will stack up higher for further development by the Manmohan Singh's plan of Minority Budgeting because of their heavy muslim population (Some as high as 50%), whereas starving Bundelkhand districts will not figure in that priority list - as those are full of Hindus - leave them for Maoists-Missionaries to feed upon.

Maoist "action". Let me guess where you will represent 'India' - at farewell party of Fidel Castro? or at First Independence day parade of Islamic Republic of Kosovo?

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someone said WB is a wasteland. Not really. Just wait and watch. Bangali people are still strongly rooted in dharmic culture. The commie-islami-missionary hagemony has still not been able to shake their roots up. While the noise of "Valentines Day Celebration" could be heard in the new mahA-nagars of Noida-Gurgaon-Bangaluru, students in Bangal were happy celebrating Vasant Panchami in worshipping Mother Saraswati on the same days. (TOIlet and CNN-IBN would never report this)

[Guest]

Harsha kindly avoid name calling, please.

Ravish, this forum is for sharing of knowlodge and opinons and there will be instances where users may feel strongly aginst each others view.

As Viren has suggested, lets agree to disagree. <!--emo&--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->

But i would request you to continue sharing your opinion and views, and not stop since, there might be others who would accept your views.

[Guest]

Ravishji,

First of all, we do respect for people who serve the country and in that sense your contribution has not gone un-noticed or unappreciated.

It's a pity that we could not convenience each other of our world outlook and do have a diameterically opposite position on certain issues. And we'll have to agree to disagree on it and leave it that.

We have had an exchange on this Naxal issue too in past. Agreeded that it had its roots in some social and economic injustices but every fact out there today tells us that this movement is anything but organized desi mafia terrorizing innocents. Besides if you sympathize with every oppressed person who picks up arms do we not have the right to ask if you are part of the solution or problem? When civilized and educated people can't see in clear daylight what's obivious to even a village bumpkin even at night, it does not matter if that discussion is being held in some 5 star round-table conference or internet forum or tea-shop or bar or local village chaupal?

Let's leave it at that. You do have my best wishes in any future assigments and I hope that some of exchanges here, however trivial, can play some part in making India make a better place for every Indian.

[Guest]

The person who has seen innocents being killed by the naxals will feel for the pain and sufferings that their families have to go through.

That's why i am critical of naxal sympathizers. Other than that i dont have any personal grudge against ravish.

[Bodhi]

<!--QuoteBegin-Viren+Feb 21 2008, 06:36 PM-->QUOTE(Viren @ Feb 21 2008, 06:36 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Agreeded that it had its roots in some social and economic injustices but every fact out there today tells us that this <b>movement</b> is anything but <b>organized desi mafia</b> terrorizing innocents.
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Virenji, I very slightly differ.

This is not just a desi mafia nor any 'movement' inspired by astonishing poverty. If it were any of these, why is there no 'naxal' or 'mao' movement in Afghanistan, Pakistan, BD, Myanmar.... are these countries any richer or wealth very uniform? Why is maoism not doing same 'revolution' in china itself? Has Chinese society already acheived the utopia that was dreamt?

Why is 'mao' only incarnating in India and Nepal? Where do they get all the resources - financial, technical etc? As revealed recently, CPI-Mao had budgeted Rs 60 Crores (or similar amount) for ammunitions for next year (I had posted that news on Maoist thread). Reources domestically cultivated? By leadership of suppressed peasantry? Why does the maoism raise its head only on the Indian side of the Padma river and not the other? Is Bangladesh already an egalitarian state?

Sir, it is not hard to see who controls the CPI-AtoZ (as various makes of the same weapon) to have Bharatvarsh strategecally encircled in its own ongoing challenges of maintaining integrity, and remain fatigued and tired in such low-intensity warfare, to ever have enough bandwidth to look in any other direction for progressing.

Now please dont tell me that these murderers are after anything other than getting to power through a shortcut, plain and simple. Just look at the situation in Nepal. The Maoist Prachanda guy knows he can never win a democratic election in Nepal - which is why he is finding back-door entry to the power there, and using blackmail threats he is controlling the Govt. He wants to first control the military, place its own "cadres" in armed forces, and then have elections! What a joke! If maoists were any egalitarian 'movement', then will they be killing the Tharu tribes and Madheshi-s in Nepal-Bihar tarai area who are the most economically and politically marginalized people in all of Nepal.

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I recently came across an appropriate term: 'anti-anti-communists'. These are people who are themselves not pro-communist per-se, but will go to any lengths to argue against those who are anti-communists. Majority of urban Bangali class today is in this category. one needs to wake up to reality - which is what these dreamers dont want to. Wake up buddies.

[Capt M Kumar]

<!--emo&--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo--> Ravishji,
Forum will be poorer by your absence.
You are 1 of the most pragmatic member of the forum.
I for 1 will certainly miss you.
I think sometimes, we have to seek refuge in such rhymes:
kshma baran ko chahiye
chotan ko utpat
Ka Vishnu ka ghat gayo
jo bhrigu mari laat
So, please keep on enlightening us from time to time with your down to earth assessments as you are perhaps, the only member who has never resorted to cut and paste and have always given your personal opinions.
Thanx.
<!--emo&:cool--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/specool.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='specool.gif' /><!--endemo--> Good luck for your assignment!

Here is 1 for the road:
Are you Cong or BJP? One answer lies in your genes
Varghese K GeorgePosted online: Friday, February 22, 2008 at 0129 hrs Print EmailNew Scientist paper suggests growing evidence that genes affect personality which is linked to political behaviour
New Delhi, February 21: If you are organised, self-disciplined, and more likely to follow rules, you are more likely to be conservative. If you are an extrovert, if you are open to experiences, if you focus on change as an opportunity rather than a problem, you are more likely to be liberal. If you are afraid of death, you are probably a conservative.

Definition of Theory

Conservative Verse Liberal

These are some of the findings of an emerging branch of political science that challenges what pundits tell us about caste and class and the way we vote. It takes cues from biology to say that there is increasing evidence that our political behaviour — whether we are conservative or liberal — could have its roots in genes. A provocative article in the latest issue of New Scientist cites several studies that indicate political positions are “substantially determined by biology and can be stubbornly resistant to reason.”

This has implications on campaigns. The magazine quotes John Alford, a political scientist at Rice University in Houston, Texas: “Trying to persuade someone not to be a liberal is like trying to persuade someone not to have brown eyes. We have to rethink persuasion.”

Next month, Ira Carmen, professor of political science at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign and Gene Robinson, professor of entomology, are organising the world’s first “Conference on Biology and Politics,” underwritten by the National Science Foundation. Carmen has invited 50 geneticists, politics researchers and neuroscientists to the conference.

Carmen’s latest book Politics in the Laboratory: The Constitution of Human Genomics, predicts “the birth of a new political science informed by evolutionary theory and DNA propensity.”

The logic behind this new research is simple: many personality traits have been linked to specific genes and people with a particular personality trait are likely to exhibit a particular political inclination. Therefore, it’s possible to link genetic composition with political behaviour of an individual.

Says New Scientist: “Some traits are obviously going to be linked to politics, such as xenophobia being connected with the far right. However, (John Jost, psychologist at New York University) uncovered many more intriguing connections. People who scored highly on a scale measuring fear of death, for example, were almost four times more likely to hold conservative views. Dogmatic types were also more conservative, while those who expressed interest in new experiences tended to be liberals.”

For example, Carmen cited D4DR, a gene that regulates levels of the neurotransmitter dopamine. High levels of dopamine can cause obsessive-compulsive disorder. In other words, dopamine might be linked to the need to “impose order on the world.” If so, higher levels of dopamine should be found more frequently in conservatives. Carmen plans to study this in 2000 individuals.

According to New Scientist, since liberals are more generally open to conflicting ideas, activity in this area of the brain would be expected to differ between them and conservatives. Last September, David Amodio, a neuroscientist at New York University, showed that it does.

One thing is clear, says Alford. “We spend a lot of energy getting upset with the other side...we often think our opponents are misinformed or stubborn. Accepting that people are born with some of their views changes that.” So New Scientist has a salutary suggestion: “Come to terms with these differences, and you can spend the energy now wasted on persuasion on figuring out ways of accommodating both points of view.”

Coalition politics — and a common minimum programme — couldn’t have got a more solid scientific explanation!

[Guest]

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->If you are afraid of death, you are probably a conservative.
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Seems like a Geroge Varghese figment of imagination.

Churchill had it right (for once) when he said:
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[Guest]

Maoist supporters will surely be happy and breaking open champagne bottles for the acrocity that they have committed on unarmed civilians and farmers.

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Maoists kill 3 persons in Bihar</b>

Feb 22 2008

Bihar, Feb 22 (ANI): CPI (Maoist) activists on Friday shot dead three persons at a village in Bihar's East Champaran District.

Around midnight, a group of armed activists of a banned outfit raided Pipra village, which falls under the jurisdiction of the Darpa Police Station and killed three farmers.

Deputy Superintendent of Police (DSP) A K Singh said a combing operation has been launched for the assailants.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

[Guest]

<!--QuoteBegin-Capt M Kumar+Feb 22 2008, 03:22 AM-->QUOTE(Capt M Kumar @ Feb 22 2008, 03:22 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Ravishji,
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If supporting maoist murderers is down to earth assessments then the families of the farmers and unarmed civilans killed by the maoists will surely be pained to hear that.

[Capt M Kumar]

<!--emo&<_<--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/dry.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='dry.gif' /><!--endemo--> If EQ(emotional quotient) could solve 1 problem, India would not be left w/ any problem.
Treating the cause is more important than just the effect.
That's where Ravish scored over majority of the members as he always highlighted the causes.