Hillary won IN, 51 -49% . Seems like students came out for Hillary and Buses from Chicago did little damage.
I am very much suprised after todays and early vote fraud by BO.
Mayor of Hammond confronted the Mayor of Gary and we saw result from Lake County after 12.30am.
Barone of Fox said earlier the votes were outnumbering the population/Reg Dem Voters of Gary!
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->This is 1960 all over again. People voting twice, once in IL and tonight in Gary. John McLoughlin on his tv show Sunday suspected something like this might happen. The Democrats have lost me forever if they do not put a legal challenge on this election in Lake County. This war is not over!<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->It's midnight Central Time. John King of CNN, et al., just asked the mayor of Gary, Rudy Clay, why the votes from Lake County didn't dribble in as they were counted, the way they do in almost all other counties. He asked three times, and Clay dodged the question every time -- and very clumsily, too.
[paraphrased:]
CNN: "Why didn't they come in why they were being counted?"
CLAY: "Well, we had over 11,000 absentee ballots ..."
CNN: "Couldn't they turn in the results of the people voting today?"
CLAY: "Our election board is doing a tremendous job ..."
CNN: "Why is it that Marion County [Indianapolis], which is twice as large as yours, was able to report their results as they came in, and yours hasn't?"
CLAY: "Well, we had over 11,000 absentee ballots ..."
CNN: "The other towns in Lake County turned their results in 5+ hours ago ..."
CLAY: "Our election board is honest, there is no funny business going on here. All the votes have to be counted ..."
CNN: "But it's a computer."
CLAY: [silence]
When the mayors of the surrounding towns suspect something crooked, it's worth taking seriously.
I am reminded of a story I heard about Obama, when he first decided to run for the US Senate. He sought the help of a leading Chicago power broker in getting the support of other power brokers. There was one in particular whose help he thought would be hard to get, but the leading Chicago power broker got it. When Obama asked him how he had managed it, the response he got was, "You don't want to know." This was just a few years ago.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/horserace...t_the_line.html
Jay Costs' analysis.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->The following chart has the details. It delineates Obama's margin of victory among African Americans over time. <b>The states are divided into the South and non-South, then arranged chronologically</b>. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<img src='http://www.realclearpolitics.com/horseraceblog/Obama%20Performance%20Among%20African%20Americans.gif' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->We have to be careful not to over-interpret these results because they are relatively small sub-samples of each exit poll. Nevertheless, there is a discernible trend in these numbers toward larger and larger Obama victories. <b>The African American vote now goes much more heavily for Obama than it did at the beginning of the cycle.</b> In fact, if we take Clinton's margin among African Americans in Tennessee and apply it to North Carolina, keeping all else equal, Obama would have barely defeated her.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
rajesh_g,
Article in Realclearpoltics are written by freelancer, data they provide may not be accurate. I know couple of article written by my friend and made it to front page. Just keep voting that article and it will make to front page.
Black support to Obama was 90%+ after SC, even in TN it was 91%. NC it is 96%+. Felons can't vote and initially Obama was ferrying paid people from Cook county, IL to some limited states. I have seen videos where Black polling staff were letting pass irregularities. Election here are not like India. Indian polling staff are government staff, Here they are from county and not very honest. Street money plays very important role. I think they can beat even Pakistan election corruption. I lost trust.
If this trend or Change Obama is bringing. Good luck to America and its founding fathers dream.
I think racial divide is widen and I can tell you GOP candidate will win and map will like this. In place of Montana, it will Ill and Maryland
<img src='http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/43/ElectoralCollege1984-Large.png/400px-ElectoralCollege1984-Large.png' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
05-08-2008, 01:42 AM
(This post was last modified: 05-08-2008, 03:01 AM by Amber G..)
I think there is quite a bit of spin around racial divide, about BO getting 90+% African American votes etc, but let me give it a little perspective:
-BO getting 90%+ votes because of race etc â Nothing new here. Many Democrats (Including Clinton in both elections got that % of votes and that kind of dis-parity )
(In fact, if you take Clinotn's 92 or 96 data, It will look eerily similar to the data posted above by Rajesh- 96 Average being 70 - that is he got 85% of the black votes nationally)
-Same thing about BO loosing by 20+% from whites â
Just to give an example, Edwards last election in NC senate:
(Thanks to google one can check: http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/1998/states/....poll.html
Edwards got 41% of white votes and 91% of African American Votes (Not much different from recent NC results, if you substitute Obama for Edwards) .. Of course, I just chose one example, one can choose other elections (Clintonâs win, or 2004 elections etc) and this kind of difference is far from being unusual.
What is relevant , to me at least, is in recent, BO wins in say, all people under 65 (above 65 he looses by 20+ points).. If one consider Whites, and if one takes, say college graduates, or younger (say 40 or less) he does quite well (wins clearly). I have a son, 4 nephews/nieces and their family and many friends in NC (and since my son in Duke there is big circle of college friends) and some one polled in extended family and friends, and although it is statistically small sample, BO had 95% support (and I can assure you there are no felons there , mostly doctors, professors etc). Of course, if one looks at college towns ( say Bloomigton, IN, or Chaple Hill/Durham, NC) , research triangle etc , Obamaâs lead is significant ( 60, 70 or even 75%) â¦
Speaking of exit polls, I just read, about 15% still believed Obama is Muslim <smile>.
Just some thoughtsâ¦.
Regards.
My views are based on raw exit data, campaign calls response, and poll irregularity reports. Exit poll one we see is after lot of softening.
For Asians/immigrants it is 50-50 depends on region momentum. I know lot of first generation Indians were doing volunteer work for all three campaigns. Majority of them are working free. Asians population is very small in number. Silicon Valley/ Santa Clara county went for Clinton, Majority of them are asians and Indians are above 30%. My extended family will be for McCain. Some are working in Universities and Medical profession. Those who are in medical profession were always for GOP.
Those who are ethnic people (white, black, Hispanic) .Majority of people are voting based on race. Black man just doesnât see any point voting for woman. Low income or less than graduate white also have same views. Some College campuses are for BO not all. More left leaning Universities are promoting his candidacy. Facebook, MySpace, and media had created hype for him, something which kids says âcool thing to doâ or if you elite or educated you are supporting him. More to do with perception. Election was very corrupt.
What I feel, my personal opinion. I think we will see big fight in Democratic Party rest of year. It had become far-left, very close to Marxism. They have sidelined centric ideology. They will lose election hands down. It will take some years to revive.
GOP advantage, McCain will bring party from far-right to center and will keep GOP in power for at least 8 years.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Speaking of exit polls, I just read, about 15% still believed Obama is Muslim <smile>. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
As Steven Colbert say, BHO is sceret Muslim <!--emo&  --><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
He joined church for his career which is a fact. Suddenly, he realised he had stay away from Rev. Wright. Next few months we will see lot of black leaders will come out against him. Those who were connected with civil right movement and from slave generation. BHO is stealing their show. Watch for Jesse Jackson Son, rising star. Next election, he will run for office, I think Congress seat and next 4 yrs for President. But before that, we have to see how much damage they do to democratic party.
I can say Popcorn time. <!--emo& --><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
AmberG, Do you mean Bill's general election numbers or democratic primaries ? If its primaries then can you compare those two ?
Mudy, I am not too familiar with US politics (political commentators even less) but have generally found Jay Cost to be quite ok.
Another interesting tidbit. In every yindoo elections, anti-incumbency is a major factor, in most cases deciding factor even. But US seems different, except the current one.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/...ial_pariah.html
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->It's been noted here before that we have not had an election since 1952 in which an incumbent president or vice president was not running in at least partial defense of an existing administration's record.
That means Bush is not just a lame duck but an easy target for all three current candidates -- none of whom have any investment in the president's legacy.
Consider that the last president in a similar position was Harry Truman. He left office with an approval rating in the 20s, and it took years before historians revised the standard negative and mostly unfair view of him.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I personally think its somewhat unfair. In any case , its interesting that anti-incumbency is not a factor in the US. Whether its a good thing or bad, I dont know.
Rajesh_g,
Wait for October surprise and self inflicting stupidity of democrats.
Watch for Oil price after Aug. People will forget in 3 months.
Read this, from DNC committee member, Obama supporter/surrogate, democrat super delegate, She is chair of the DNC's Voting Rights Committee, CNN political commentator.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><i>From: <b>Donna Brazile</b> @brazileassociates.com>
Subject: RE: Switching to Republican Party - I'm a Hillary supporter
Date: May 7, 2008 7:48 PM
Honestly, this is the 9th email today, so I believe you're ready to not only
destroy Roe versus Wade, voting rights, civil liberties and civil rights.
Perhaps adding trillions more to the deficits through non stop tax cuts to
the wealthy and 100 more years in Iraq.
Yes, please join Rush and McCain asap. The train has left. Catch it.
Please don't send these emails to working people like myself. Notice you
sent it to my campus address. I am a working class person. Can you find
someone who drinks latte?
Message to the base: stay home. </i><!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
She is Dean right hand, she has run all the worst campaigns of the Democratic Party!
Jimmy Carter-Walter Mondale in 1976 and 1980, Jesse Jackson in 1984, Walter Mondale-Geraldine Ferraro in 1984, and for Richard Gephardt in the 1988 Democratic primary!
It will be fun to watch how Democrats will destroy themselves by these type of nasty emails.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->he is Dean right hand, she has run all the worst campaigns of the Democratic Party!
Jimmy Carter-Walter Mondale in 1976 and 1980, Jesse Jackson in 1984, Walter Mondale-Geraldine Ferraro in 1984, and for Richard Gephardt in the 1988 Democratic primary!<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
How can you forget Al Gore 2000.
She was a D-I-S-A-S-T-E-R
<!--QuoteBegin-Amber G.+May 7 2008, 04:12 PM-->QUOTE(Amber G. @ May 7 2008, 04:12 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Just to give an example, Edwards last election in NC senate:
(Thanks to google one can check: http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/1998/states/....poll.html
Edwards got 41% of white votes and 91% of African American Votes (Not much different from recent NC results, if you substitute Obama for Edwards) .. Of course, I just chose one example, one can choose other elections (Clintonâs win, or 2004 elections etc) and this kind of difference is far from being unusual.
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AmberG, the results you posted were in a race between democrat versus republican. In such a race, it's given that the African-Americans lean heavily with democratic party irrespective of the individual's race/ethnicity.
A fairer (pardon the pun) comparison of a black-versus-white candidate would be to look for data within same party (example: Jesse Jackson verus other white Democratic candidates; or Alan Keyes versus other white Republican candidates) and can't find data on this.
Last night's daily show with John McCain:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Stewart countered with his own contender for the job of McCainâs number two.
<b>"Sen. Hillary Clinton," Stewart said with a level of seriousness. "If you choose Sen. Clinton, you would win this election."</b>
"Thatâs one I never contemplated," McCain said of the New York senator who is running for the nomination of the Democratic party. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Enjoy this -<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Obama arrived at the Greenwood restaurant about 7:40 a.m. and received a mixed response. One man waved the senator away from his table, later telling the pool reporter on the scene that "I can't stand him. He's a Muslim. He's not even pro-American as far as I'm concerned." <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Another customer handed Obama his bill. "This will seal the thing," he said as Obama paid it. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--> <!--emo& --><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Viren+May 8 2008, 10:01 PM-->QUOTE(Viren @ May 8 2008, 10:01 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin--> The Five Mistakes Clinton Made
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She had no chance from begining
1 - It is uphill task or impossible for woman to be Preisdent in US. Standards are very different.
2 - DNC is hijacked by far-left. Dean is modern titanic.
3 - Media was assaulting her from very first day e.g yesterday she gained 2 SD, but they are singing about McGovern who is not SD and was a big loser and DF of CA.
4 - Fraud pulled by Obama in caucaus and primary was never seen before. Clinton underestimated or they are more traditional politicians. Behavior by his supporter will back fire in Nov-2008
Now media can come up with all stories.
05-09-2008, 01:02 AM
(This post was last modified: 05-09-2008, 01:03 AM by Shambhu.)
1. HRC just wrote a letter to BO about FL, MI..
2. FOX said HRC camp deciding on withdrawal date
3, Some CA superdelegate (lawyer) wants to sell his vote for $20 million
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->http://blog.indecision2008.com/2008/...gates-support/
May 8th at 11:32AM
<b>Our Next Item Up For Bid, This Superdelegate's Support</b>
POSTED BY: CubbyChaser
With the race for superdelegates in full swing, a Mexican-American California superdelegate has promised to sell his support for some sweet, sweet cash...
He says he'll sell his vote for a price. A very high price: $20 million. Sacramento superdelegate Steven Ybarra says that eight-figure price is peanuts for the presidency.
When asked whether it was right to offer what is clearly a quid pro quo?
"Yeah, absolutely. People do it all the time," answered Ybarra.
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Shambhu,
Why not ,when Hamas and New Black Panther endrose candidate is loaded with money, $20 million is peanut for him.
<!--QuoteBegin-Mudy+May 9 2008, 01:40 AM-->QUOTE(Mudy @ May 9 2008, 01:40 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->He says he'll sell his vote for a price. A very high price: $20 million. Sacramento superdelegate Steven Ybarra says that eight-figure price is peanuts for the <b>presidency</b>.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Small error. It is not presidency but presidential candidacy - there is no guarantee that his vote will make BO/HC a president.
This SD clearly knows that the best time for him to make money is now. He won't be able to make that kind of money for next 8 years.
<b>Replacement Obama Pastor Just As Controversial As Wright</b><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Moss also states in the sermon:
<b>âJesus has a soft spot for thugs.â </b> <!--emo& --><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<b>âGod is always using thugs to do Godâs work.â </b>
âEveryone has a little bit of thug in them.â
Noah was a âthugâ who âwas drinking much gin and juice and got drunk on the eve of reconstruction.â
<b>Abraham âpimped his own wife.â </b> <!--emo& --><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<b>Jacob was a âhustlerâ who âstole his own brotherâs birthright.â </b>
Moses was a âthugâ and âif he got mad would give you a royal beatdown.â
Sampson was a âthugâ and a âplayer.â
<b>David was a âthug,â a âshot caller,â and a âplayer,â and a man after Godâs own heart. </b>
âJesus is on the cross being lynched between two thugs. The moment of execution, the moment of murder, Jesus, the son of God, is hanging out with thugs.â <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
BO says he will reach out to HRC as VP if he is nominee. He says he has not done so now because he respects her (and does not want to be presumptuous, I presume). Good.
<!--emo&:blow--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='blow.gif' /><!--endemo--> IN GOD THEY TRUST ? - Americaâs Secularism
http://indiasecular.wordpress.com/
Telegraph India,May 8
Mukul Kesavan
"A conservative columnist in the New York Times, William Kristol, suggested Bobby Jindalâs name as a possible running mate for the Republican p residential nominee, John McCain.
Bobby Jindal is the recently elected governor of Louisiana and in Kristolâs view, he has several qualities that recommend him. He is young: at 36, he is barely half John McCainâs 71 years and a McCain-Jindal ticket would help draw the sting of the charge that McCain is too old to run. He is properly conservative, unlike McCain who is suspected by the Republican base of flirting with liberal positions when it comes to âsocialâ issues such as abortion. Jindal is an uncompromising hardliner on abortion: he opposes it in every case, even if the pregnancy is the result of incest or rape.
It helps that heâs very bright (he graduated from Brown and went on to do a Masters at Oxford on a Rhodes scholarship) and has an extraordinary resumé given his youth. He was the secretary of Louisianaâs department of health at the age of 24, he has been an assistant secretary of state at the federal level under George W. Bush, a two-term Congressman, president of the Louisiana university system and now governor.
Also, in a year where the Democrats are making history with Barack Obama, it doesnât hurt that Bobby Jindal is every bit as brown as the senator from Illinois."
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