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[Guest]

http://www.indianmuslims.info/news/2008/ju...ish_mosque.html

Anybody hear any more about this news item from the vernacular press or any blogs etc?

[Bharatvarsh]

Some student in US named Xian-Jin Li claims to have solved the Riemann's Hypothesis the most famous unsolved Maths problem:

http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid...418214&from=rss

[Shambhu]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/216...7.html#continue

Christianity 'could die out within a century'
More than half of Britons think Christianity is likely to have disappeared from the country within a century, according to a survey.

By Laura Clout
Last Updated: 2:40PM BST 20 Jun 2008

Research by the Orthodox Jewish organisation Aish found that just over a third of people thought religions like Christianity and Judaism would still be practiced in Britain in 100 years' time.

Although four in 10 people said they would choose to be a member of the Christian religion, almost the same number said they would rather practice no religion at all.

Buddhism however, proved more attractive than both Islam and Judaism, and was chosen by nine per cent of those questioned.

Aish UK's executive director Rabbi Naftali Schiff said the results of the YouGov poll of 2,000 people were alarming.

"It clearly demonstrates that religion, including Judaism, is becoming unattractive to the British public.

"At Aish we know that Judaism provides real meaning and enrichment to one's life. Whilst we have attracted many disinterested Jews back to Jewish identity it is clear there is much work to be done."

Research published earlier this year suggested that church attendance is declining so fast that the number of regular churchgoers will be fewer than those attending mosques within a generation.

According to Religious Trends, an analysis of religious practice in Britain, the huge drop off in attendance means that the Church of England, Catholicism and other denominations will become financially unviable.

In contrast, the number of actively religious Muslims is predicted to increase from about one million today to 1.96 million in 2035.

[Guest]

New search engine to bring down Google
Today is first day. pronunced as "cool"
http://www.cuil.com/

[Hauma Hamiddha]

<!--QuoteBegin-Mudy+Jul 28 2008, 10:08 AM-->QUOTE(Mudy @ Jul 28 2008, 10:08 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->New search engine to bring down Google
Today is first day. pronunced as  "cool"
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Is that a joke- it does not seem to run? <!--emo&--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->

[Guest]

It started today for trial. Right now looks like down.
But search result was very good, much better than Google.

[Shambhu]

http://www.hindujagruti.org/hinduism/knowl...mily-deity.html

राजपत्‍नी गुरुपत्‍नी मित्रपत्‍नी तथैव च ।
पत्‍नीमाता स्‍वमाता च पंचैते मातर: स्‍मृता: ।।

Meaning: The queen (king’s wife), Guru’s wife (gurupatni), friend’s wife, mother-in-law and one’s own mother are all considered as mothers.

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Something every man should remember. Especially the 2nd line of the shloka.. <!--emo&--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tongue.gif' /><!--endemo-->
(If remembering the above shloka provided you with peace of mind, please consider making a small --or large-- contribution to The Shambhu Fund). <!--emo&--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tongue.gif' /><!--endemo-->

[Guest]

<!--QuoteBegin-Mudy+Jul 29 2008, 12:45 AM-->QUOTE(Mudy @ Jul 29 2008, 12:45 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->It started today for trial. Right now looks like down.
But search result was very good, much better than Google.
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Hmm.. Overloaded and when it is underloaded, displays the same results on every page... <!--emo&:blink:--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='blink.gif' /><!--endemo-->

[Bharatvarsh]

For me it was so slow that I said "screw this" and went back to google.

[Capt M Kumar]

<!--emo&--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteBegin-Hauma Hamiddha+Jul 29 2008, 12:22 AM-->QUOTE(Hauma Hamiddha @ Jul 29 2008, 12:22 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-Mudy+Jul 28 2008, 10:08 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mudy @ Jul 28 2008, 10:08 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->New search engine to bring down Google
Today is first day. pronunced as  "cool"
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Is that a joke- it does not seem to run? <!--emo&--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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I think key is to turn it on early in the morning when it's still cool e.g. I entered these words: NRI SAHI and got the news of the whole world inc India. <!--emo&:clapping--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/clap.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='clap.gif' /><!--endemo-->

[Shambhu]

Modern science, besides throwing new light on the psychic power hidden in temples, has also proved conclusively that idol worship poor choice of words too is scientific. The ideal material for moulding of the idols, according to our rishis, is 'Panchloha', a combination of five metals. Robert Pavlita, a Czech metallurgist, has concluded from his experiments on 'Panchloha' that it is an ideal combination of metals for storing 'psychotronic energy', and that this energy can exert a strong influence on water, which is sprinkled on the devotees.
http://indpride.com/believeitornot.html

[Capt M Kumar]

<!--emo&:o--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ohmy.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='ohmy.gif' /><!--endemo--> LONDON: Man in the developed world has stopped evolving, a British genetics expert has said, because they no longer have to struggle to survive an
d natural selection does not come into play any more.

Going by his argument, any hopes of man evolving into something other than the current human state are left with the developing world, where tools of evolution are not thwarted in the absence of modern medi-care and higher standards of living.

Steve Jones, head of the department of genetics, evolution and environment at the University College London, says the forces driving evolution - such as natural selection and genetic mutation - no longer play an important role in our lives.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/HealthS...how/3569369.cms

[Bharatvarsh]

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Hindus also need to hire East Asian martial arts specialists to learn ways to get by with no weapons. E-Asian martial arts experts are not like the lame western 'E-Asian martial arts' centres where they know nothing (the difference is really stark). It's like the difference between India's Hindu Yoga and the rip offs of 'yoga exercise and mental destressing' in the west.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Didn't want to go off topic on that thread but imo there are a lot of con artists on both sides of the ocean, i have seen enuf ridiculous crap done in the name of martial arts on tv programs about shaolin monks and other programs, in a real life fight they would get hammered.

The only useful martial arts for real life are muay thai and boxing (while standing, helps in kicking and other strikes), brazilian jiu jitsu and wrestling (grappling, submissions, and take downs). A lot of the fancy stuff done for tv's is just for show and would get people killed in real life.

Those are the 4 martial arts mainly used in MMA competitions, and MMA games are the closest u come to real fighting.

Check Fedor:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEOVa2A7T9Y

And Minotauro (Antonio Nogueira):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUS8lshgH_Y

[Husky]

<!--QuoteBegin-Bharatvarsh+Nov 29 2008, 06:25 AM-->QUOTE(Bharatvarsh @ Nov 29 2008, 06:25 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Hindus also need to hire East Asian martial arts specialists to learn ways to get by with no weapons. E-Asian martial arts experts are not like the lame western 'E-Asian martial arts' centres where they know nothing (the difference is really stark). It's like the difference between India's Hindu Yoga and the rip offs of 'yoga exercise and mental destressing' in the west.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Didn't want to go off topic on that thread but imo there are a lot of con artists on both sides of the ocean, i have seen enuf ridiculous crap done in the name of martial arts on tv programs about shaolin monks and other programs, in a real life fight they would get hammered.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUS8lshgH_Y
[right][snapback]91039[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->Ummm, I don't know about TV. My Taiwanese Bauddha friend didn't know martial arts until her Buddhist association organised some traditional training (but also including Korean Taikwondo, oddly enough) and in 2 weeks time she was breaking tough wood. And she's a compact, tiny girl. A bit more intimidating now. Seeing is believing - was enough to convince me.

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->The only useful martial arts for real life are <b>muay thai</b><!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Tony Jha! "Save the Buddha vigraham!" <!--emo&--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->brazilian jiu jitsu<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->"Brazilian" jiu jitsu? They've inculturated on jiu jitsu now?


But I agree, Bharatavarsha, I am for any and all *real* martial arts that will help Hindus protect themselves and give them the additional confidence to stand up for their families/communities.

[Bharatvarsh]

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->"Brazilian" jiu jitsu? They've inculturated on jiu jitsu now?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
There has been a divergence from the original source (Kodokan Judo) over the last 100 or so years which is why bjj is classified separately so as not to be confused with Japanese Jiu Jitsu (which does not have much to do with bjj except share the name, because Mitsuyo Maeda who brought it to Brazil was a Judo student). Since Maeda brought it to Brazil, local techniques have been added under the Gracie family influence, the original Kodokan Judo changed rules to make it more of a spectator sport whereas the Brazilian version retains many of the things that Kodokan had 100 years ago (this is like the divergence between Eezham Tamizh and TN Tamizh with the Eezham version retaining many words considered archaic in TN such as neengaL instead of nee even in common speech).

[Husky]

Thanks for the info Bharata.

[Bharatvarsh]

Apparently the "progressive" Europeans are "progressing" at an alarming rate:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->66 babies in a year left to die after NHS abortions that go wrong
By BEEZY MARSH
Last updated at 15:55 04 February 2008

Botched abortions mean that scores of babies are being born alive and left to die, an official report has revealed.

A total of 66 infants survived NHS termination attempts in one year alone, it emerged.
Rather than dying at birth as was intended, they were able to breathe unaided. About half were alive for an hour, while one survived ten hours.

A 3D scan of a foetus taken at 23 weeks by obstetrician Prof Stuart Campbell - terminations are legal until 24 weeks but some babies have continued breathing after being aborted
The figures are the first to give a national picture of the number of babies who survive abortion but are left to die.
Experts previously believed the phenomenon was limited to a handful of cases a year.
The babies were aborted using a drug to soften the cervix and induce labour. Once born no medical help is offered.
The statistics are contained in the small print of an official report by the Confidential Enquiry into Maternal and Child Health, commissioned by the Government.
No data exists on aborted babies who survive into childhood and beyond but in rare cases this is known to have happened.
Experts last night revealed that the sheer number of abortion survivors means new guidance for doctors will be drawn up, telling them how to cope.
The findings also renewed calls for a lowering of the 24-week limit for "social" abortions, which end healthy pregnancies.
The report said the terminations were "predominantly on account of congenital anomalies", which may be life-threatening but which can also include problems such as cleft palate and club feet.
Obstetricians say this raises the possibility that at least some cases were social terminations, legal under the Abortion Act up to 24 weeks.
Doctors can also legally terminate a pregnancy up to birth if the baby is suffering serious deformities or the mother's life is at risk.
Guidance from the Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists recommends babies over 22 weeks which survive abortion should have their hearts stopped by lethal injection but this can be a difficult procedure for doctors.
Professor Stuart Campbell, an eminent obstetrician whose 3D scan images of babies "walking in the womb" have fuelled the debate over late abortions, said: "It is a distressing situation when these babies are being born alive.
"Medical advances make it increasingly possible for even those born after just 22 weeks in the womb to survive.
"There is also concern that babies with problems such as cleft palate or club feet are being terminated because they are not "perfect".
"These deformities may be corrected during childhood."
The findings follow evidence to MPs this week that foetuses feel pain before 24 weeks.
The figures for the CEMACH 2007 Perinatal Mortality report, gathered from hospitals in England and Wales during 2005, reveal 16 babies who survived abortion were born after 22 weeks in the womb or later in the pregnancy.
The remaining 50 were under 22 weeks' gestation.
CEMACH chief executive Richard Congdon said lethal injection had not been given in the 16 abortions over 22 weeks' gestation because death was "inevitable".
The 16 survived between one minute and four-and-a-half hours - half lived for just over an hour.
The remaining 50 were under 22 weeks' gestation and half survived for longer than 55 minutes, with one breathing unaided for ten hours.
Latest Department of Health figures show that abortion is rising, with 193,700 terminations in 2006, and 2,948 carried out over 20 weeks.
The majority of these - 2,036 - were for major abnormalities.
The British Association of Perinatal Medicine said new guidelines were being drawn up to cover babies born alive after abortion.
Neonatologist Professor Neil Marlow, president of the association, said: "Parents may be told that the baby will not be viable but may still want to hold it until it dies, and this is probably what we are seeing in these statistics."
Julia Millington, of the Pro-Life Alliance, said: "The fact that babies are being aborted so late in pregnancy that they are capable of survival will make many support the notion that the upper time limit should be reduced."
Couple's despair after daughter survives abortion at five months
A baby born alive after a botched abortion at 21 weeks is among the worst cases reported in the UK.
The little girl, who had Down's Syndrome, lived for three hours after being delivered.
Her parents claim they were "coerced" into a termination by staff at Macclesfield District General Hospital.
They were later told that their baby had not "really" been alive, even though she was clearly breathing.
The couple, who do not wish to be named, already had a toddler, a teenager and a 12-year-old with learning difficulties and felt unable to cope with another special needs child.
The 44-year-old mother said: "If I had been given any idea that the baby would be born alive after an abortion I would never have gone through with it. They coerced me.
"I have seen how society treats children with disabilities and it frightened me to bring another special needs child into the world, but somehow we would have coped with it."
Two days before the abortion in March 2004, the woman was given tablets which she was told would kill the baby in the womb.
But to their distress the baby was still clearly moving.
They went back to hospital and were assured that the baby would die during labour.
Soon after birth, however, both parents saw it gasping for air.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-...ions-wrong.html<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

[shamu]

I'm just curious, do they identify the ethnicity of these cases?
Just trying to make sure that it is not a conspiracy to create problematic child birth among immigrants, like we had heard of what happens to Romas in other parts of Europe.

[Bharatvarsh]

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->I'm just curious, do they identify the ethnicity of these cases?
Just trying to make sure that it is not a conspiracy to create problematic child birth among immigrants, like we had heard of what happens to Romas in other parts of Europe. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The ethnicity is rarely known unless the nurses or doctors present reveal it or the "mother" (i do not consider such types to be mothers) who had this done comes forward.

And this has less to do with racism than a lack of basic human decency, these kids that survive abortion attempts can rarely live to adulthood depending on when this happened (after 25 weeks, 79% survive), most die within minutes or hours, but within those minutes or hours they are thrown away like trash in a room instead of being given the full medical care any normal premature infant would get. In US a law had to be passed at the federal level classifying such non caring as a crime on the part of the medical personnel in case of live birth abortions (where a baby intended to be aborted comes out alive despite the doctors best efforts to kill it in the womb).

As for racism, a few months back I think a couple of young republicans as part of their sting called up plannet parenthood offices near them, and claimed that they wanted to donate money but have it specifically used for abortiong black babies, they were told that they could do so by almost all the planned parenthood personnel they called with one woman even laughing while agreeing, the videos are available on youtube. Now those women could have just been agreeing to the callers demands because they were told to agree to whatever to get donations, or maybe they genuinely liked the idea, i don't know.

[Guest]

Now Harry is attacked by his own charity over 'Paki' remark - as Gordon Brown rushes to defend him
Bhavv could comment on racists remarks in UK.