Christian Subversion And Missionary Activities - 5

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QUOTEBHUBANESWAR | Thursday, November 20, 2008 | Email | Print |

Nun makes U-turn, denies gangrape

PNS | Bhubaneswar

The 29-year-old nun who shot into the limelight by claiming that she was gangraped in K Nugaoan on August 25 made a U-turn on Tuesday, saying she had not been gangraped but saved by a Hindu man at the last moment. She was raped by only one person, she said.

Sources said during her interrogation by the Crime Branch in New Delhi, she stated that after the sexual assault, she was saved by a local Hindu from being gangraped. âOne youth raped me while two others molested and attempted to rape. But I was saved by a Hindu man,â she reportedly told the Crime Branch.

During the violence that followed after the assassination of VHP leader Swami Laxmanananda Saraswati, a group of people had attacked the church and an attempt was made to rape the nun. The nun had reportedly stated that she was confident that she would be able to identify the accused with whom she had a scuffle.

However, the alleged victim was worried that she might not be able to identify the two others who had also attempted to rape her as she was in a semi-conscious state after being raped.

Meanwhile, the Baliguda court on Wednesday rejected the nunâs plea to arrange the TI parade in New Delhi. Moving the petition on behalf of her, advocate Manas Ranjan Singh stated that as she was not in good health, she would not be able to travel such a long distance to participate in the TI parade in Orissa. Singh also cited security reasons for her unwillingness to come to Baliguda to attend the TI parade.
(Wait, this nun who was in Orissa when her alleged rape took place, then somehow went away so far that she cannot return. But she *does* have the strength to appear on various TV channels to talk about the "gangrape" which she has now denied, saying it did not take place after all.)

However, the court rejected the petition and asked the Crime Branch to file the chargesheet in the case on November 24. On her unwillingness to attend the Test Identification Parade (TIP) at Baliguda in Kandhamal, the nun said she would not go to that place under any circumstances. âI will appeal to the court not to force me to go to Kandhamal again as this may add to my injuries,â the nun told the CB team. Earlier, the nun failed to appear in the TI parade on November 9 despite a court directive.
(Other rape victims have gone to court in places they don't want to be, because they want to see the perpetrators booked and no one else become a victim. Why is this nun so easy with telling her story on the news but doesn't want to go to court because it is "in Orissa".)
TI parade was too hard for her, but she was able to parade around christian news channels peddling her *previous* story of how it all went down ("gangrape"), on account of which, several Hindus were accused and arrested. Now it turns out she had been hallucinating about that part, and had temporary amnesia about what didn't happen after all.

Who can believe her at all. Looks like she wants to get some credibility back by now trying to make her *new* story/spin on events sound more plausible by saying a Hindu man saved her (because then the audience might perhaps not doubt her latest story, the logic being "oh, she could not be making this new version of events up if the hero of this latest version is a Hindooo; it must be true now!"). Yeah, people have to wait and see. She's still trying to pin this thing on 3 people, probably three more Hindus who'll have to do time for a crime they either never committed or which was committed by this nun's christian priesty friends.

That reminds me of the gruesome rape-and-murder of that nun, sister Abhaya - a case where horrific events really did happen:
A poor nun Abhaya, was attacked by two christian priests and a nun, raped and murdered. It was covered up for a looooong time. By christians, of course.

Husky · 11-23-2008, 09:00 AM

http://offstumped.nationalinterest.in/2008...n-hindu-terror/
QUOTEShanthÂ November 21st, 2008 at 4:28 am

Situational Analysis : Ill Effects of Conversion in Chennai

I am personally aware of 6 incidents of Conversion going wrong and wrecking families.

1. ONe of my friendsâ father converted to Xtianity and he wrote his prime property(wroth crores) in chennai and ourskirts to Churches. It is a clear case of perfidy. The family is torn apart. He has filed false cases against his own son and wife.

2. Churches are hunting for people and stealing their property. Two brothers had properties the younger one was converted. He wrote their property to Church. And he killed his older brother in the name of Jesus.

3. Husband and wife with 10year old girl child were torn apart. The wife was duped into Xtianity. She wanted her family to convert. Father and daughter didnât. She filed dowry case against her husband. The husband in jail now.

4. In another case the husband converted and gave away jewels and money to chruch. The wife was taken ill and became paralyzed.

I swear on God all these and more are happening in chennai right before my eyes.

Hindus have to wake up to this reality and stop talking unreal things. Hindus are under siege and it is a stark reality.

Doordharshan Chennai is brodcasting evangelical programs every night after 10 PM. IS this secularism? Congress is not secular. Hindus have to realise this now. Otherwise there is no future for us.
"Doordharshan Chennai is brodcasting evangelical programs every night after 10 PM"
That is very much part of the Joshua Project's (sub)Project Thessalonika:

http://www.christianaggression.org/item_di...S&id=1130133787
QUOTECan Hinduism face the onslaught of Project Thessalonica?
Posted October 24, 2005
Alex Pomero
in a Croatian Newspaper
[...]
One big worry seems to the extremely popular Hindu television programs. Christian agencies have decided on buying these prime slots at a premium and are actively working with programming sources. Over the past 20 years, missionaries also appear to have invested a lot in handling the political leadership, so much so that their activities appear to be almost immune to the ruling political party. It seems that a good section of media is also on their side to such an extent that any group opposing their activity finds itself identified as a militant or extremist group in the news media.
[...]

Shambhu · 11-24-2008, 01:41 AM

Glass house of Professional Christianity 
Krishen Kak

Contrary to popular belief, Christian priesthood is not a vocation; it is a profession
[http://www.vijayvaani.com].

This was stated to the missionaries by Swami Vivekananda himself:

You train and educate and clothe and pay men to do what? To come over to my country to curse and abuse all my forefathers, my religion, and everything. They walk near a temple and say, "You idolaters, you will go to hell."â¦.. And then you who train men to abuse and criticiseâ¦..And whenever your ministers criticise us, let them remember this: If all India stands up and takes all the mud that is at the bottom of the Indian Ocean and throws it up against the Western countries, it will not be doing an infinitesimal part of that which you are doing to usâ¦
[http://en.wikisource.org].

For many centuries now, professional evangelists have been abusing and criticizing Hindu devotion and Hindu divinities as sexual psychopaths and worse. Their Bible sets the standard â for example, it vilifies us pagans as worshippers of "the beast" who represents the Devil (Rev 13.2; 20.2). We are liars, dogs, sorcerers, whoremongers, murderers, and idolaters (Rev 22.15). Ministers of the Bible take it forward: a recent sample being the obscenities mouthed about our gods by a ministry in Karnataka:

Urvashi â the daughter of Lord Vishnu â is a prostitute. Vashistha is the son of this prostitute. He in turn married his own Mother. Such a degraded person is the Guru of the Hindu God Ramaâ¦When Krishna himself is wallowing in darkness of hell, how can he enlighten others? Since Krishna himself is a shady character, there is need for us to liberate his misled followersâ¦It was Brahma himself who kidnapped Sita. Since Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva were themselves victims of lust, it is a sin to consider them as Godsâ¦When the Trinity of Hinduism (Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva) are consumed by lust and anger, how can they liberate others? The projection of them as Gods is nothing but a joke
[http://francoisgautier1.blogspot.com]

and

When Vishnu asked Brahma to commit a sin, he immediately did so. How can such an evil Brahma be a Creator of this Universe? How is it possible for both the sinner and the entity, which provoked the sin to be gods?... God, please liberate the sinful people of India who are worshipping false Gods that believe in the pleasures of illicit âVyabichariâ relationships
[http://newstodaynet.com].

Not a single professional Christian leader is reported to have condemned the abominations uttered by their professionals against our gods and us. Coincidentally, recently the Vatican expressed concern about the pedophilia, sex-abuse and psychopathy prevalent amongst its professionals [http://www.vijayvaani.com].

One suspects the Vaticanâs concern has more to do with its loss of the $2 billion or so that it has had to disburse to its sexually-abused victims of just the last few decades alone. Concern over such a loss would be in keeping with the Churchâs historical role of organized banditry â

They came with the Bible in one hand and the gun in the other. First they stole gold. Then they stole the land. Then they stole souls [http://www.indigenouspeople.net].

It has been said of the missionaries that when they arrived they had only the Book and we had the land; now we have the Book and they have the land... When the missionaries arrived they fell on their knees and prayed. Then they got up, fell on the Indians, and preyed [Vine Deloria, "Custer Died For Your Sins", University of Oklahoma Press, 1988:101].

Yours is religion preached in the name of luxury. What an irony of fate!... It is all hypocrisy that I have heard in this countryâ¦You cannot serve God and Mammon at the same timeâ¦Better be ready to live in rags with Christ than to live in palaces without him [Swami Vivekananda, http://en.wikisource.org].

Note that the Popes have always lived in mammonish luxury in imperial palaces.

Pope Benedict XVI claimed he was âdeeply ashamedâ of the sex-abuse by his professionals. The Vatican preaches that Godâs design for sex is for Christian husband and wife between themselves for the purpose of procreation. For many centuries âchurch authorities taught that intercourse should be face-to-face, man-on-topâ (popularly called âthe missionary positionâ) as being the only natural position for humans (in some American states, it is the only lawful one). Other positions (such as retrocopulate or ventro-dorsal â âdoggy styleâ) are bestial or uncivilized [e.g.,
http://www.vatican.va;
http://www.vatican.va;
http://www.vatican.va;
http://en.wikipedia.org].

It follows that any sex that deviates from this would, in the Vaticanâs terms, be sex-abuse or sexual psychopathy.

We know there is neither sex nor marriage in heaven (Mark 12:25). To make up for the sensual abstinence that will devolve upon missionaries when they reach their heaven, it seems that on earth they engage in variety for sexual fulfillment, following biblical role models! The Churchâs troubles arise not from what it admits is sex-abuse, but from a modern civil code that empowers unwilling recipients of sexual attention from missionaries to seek retribution. Already, the Churchâs coffers have been depleted by two billion dollars.

People who live in glass houses should not throw stones. Christian ministers revile our gods as sexual psychopaths. But they themselves live in glass houses. Here is a pagan look into one of those glass houses, that of the sexual psychopathy of their own god and their own progenitors.

The Bible tells us, in Genesis, that on the sixth day of Creation, Jehovah created the first human, Adam, from âthe dust of the groundâ. From Adamâs rib, Jehovah created Eve, and the two humans copulated (copulatus = to join together) and produced two sons, Abel and Cain.

Cain copulated with his wife. Since, till then, no other human female had been created, it follows that Cainâs wife had to be his own mother. Cainâs son by her was thereby his half-brother too.

Therefore, we have a common ancestor, who split in two, and the origin of the human race â and of missionaries â is in the incestuous copulation of these two, and then incestuously of their descendants across generations. Thus, in primordial incest lies the founding of the Christian belief-system.

Among the cross-generation incest recorded in Genesis is that of Lot and his two daughters to produce a son each; of Reuben with his step-mother Bilhah; of Onan with his widowed sister-in-law Tamar; and of Tamar with her father-in-law Judah to produce children, one of whom, Phares, was a direct ancestor of Jesus (Luke 3.33). Such is the ancestry of Jesus.

There were also âgiants in the earth in those daysâ (Gen 6.4), but there is no mention at all of when and how they were created or conceived post-Adam, so they had to have been pre-Adam. Now, according to Luke 3.38, Adam was the âson of Godâ, which would make him the brother of Jesus. Jesus was produced parthenogenetically by Mary. There was no human female prior to Adam, and Jehovah is not autogamous. It follows, per Luke, that Adam was probably Jehovahâs son through a giantess.

So, unless you prefer the myth of the first male human having been created from dust and the first female human from a bone, it has to be inter-species sex that, according to the Christian belief-system, produced the human species [cf. âHuman Ancestors May Have Interbred With Chimpanzeesâ, http://www.washingtonpost.com].

Jehovah decided to destroy the human race, with the exception of Noah, his wife, and his three sons and their wives, who survived aboard the Ark. After the Flood, the children of Noah's sons and daughters-in-law reproduced amongst themselves to repopulate the earth. All evangelists today have descended, by biblical definition, from these incestuous unions.

Noah then punished his son Ham and Hamâs descendants with slavery for "what his younger son had done unto him" when Noah lay drunk and naked (Gen 9.24, 27). The punishment for this homosexual incest became the missionary justification for enslaving Africans centuries later [http://en.wikipedia.org].

Recall we are still in the Genesis (from the Greek for "birth", "origin") chapter of the Christian tradition.

Abraham â whose name is given to the monotheisms as âabrahamismsâ - copulated adulterously with his wifeâs maid. Jehovah later âvisitedâ Abrahamâs barren wife Sarah, and it is thus that she conceived and bore a son, Isaac (Gen 17.17; 18.11, 14; 21.1-2), who is therefore a half-brother to Adam. By then, Abraham was advanced in years and we find him requiring his manservant to âput his hand under the thigh of Abraham his masterâ (Gen 24.2, 9). Jacob copulates adulterously with the maids of both his wives and then, in his advanced years, had his son Joseph too put his hand under the fatherâs thigh (Gen 47.29).

Jehovah appears obsessed with the male body. Indeed, the Christian godâs distinguishing linga can well be said to be the human male foreskin â He demands it (Gen 17.10-14, Joshua 5.2-3, 8-9) and is prepared even to kill for it (Exodus 4.24-26). His interest in male pelvic physiology and culture extends to large penises and copious ejaculation (Ezekiel 16.26, 23.20), the testicles (Lev 21.20, Deut 23:1), the anus (1 Sam 5.9, 6.4-5), masturbation (Habakkuk 2.16), premature ejaculation and nocturnal emissions (Leviticus 15.2-17, 32; 22.4), and drinking urine and eating faeces (2 Kings 18.27, Isaiah 36.12). He mooned Himself to Moses (Exodus 33.23).

Christian scriptures are thus replete with the professed adultery, homosexuality, incest and more of the faithâs leading characters. The Church notes what it calls sex-abuse and psychopathy amongst its human professionals. But what about the comparable sex-abuse and sexual psychopathy replete in the very text that defines the faith?

Yet Christian ministers, living in such a glass house, throw stones at us pagans.

David committed adultery with Uriahâs wife Bathsheba, and after she conceived, ensured she was widowed (2 Sam 11). Jehovah commanded the public rape of Davidâs wives (2 Sam 12:11-12). Davidâs son Ammon raped his half-sister Tamar (2 Sam 13.14). Davidâs son Absalom copulated with his fatherâs concubines (2 Sam16.22). Recall that Jesus âcometh of the seed of Davidâ (John 7.42), i.e., of the seed of an adulterer.

Jehovah âvisitedâ Elkanahâs wife Hannah âso that she conceived, and bare three sons and two daughtersâ (1 Sam 2.21). This made them Adamâs half-brothers and half-sisters and their mother an adulteress. And at least three same-sex couples lived in biblical bliss - Ruth and her mother-in-law Naomi, David and Jonathan, and possibly Daniel and Ashpenaz
[http://www.religioustolerance.org].

Solomon was exceedingly amorous. He âloved many strange women, together with the daughter of Pharaoh, women of the Moabites, Ammonites, Edomites, Zidonians, and Hittitesâ. He had 700 wives and 300 concubines (1 Kings 11:1-3). The Song of Solomon is soft-porn â it glories in fellatio (2.3), cunnilingus (4.16, 5.1, and 7.2 in the original Hebrew), oral sex generally (5.1), incestuous desire (5.1-2, 8.1), and possibly even fisting (5.4).

There are references in the Bible to Jesus and a manâs âliving waterâ that flows âout of his bellyâ. Since only a man produces it, it has to be semen (and not urine). In John 4.7, 10, 17-18, Jesus asks a woman to give him water to drink, and then he himself offers her his âliving waterâ. She says she has no husband and he reminds her she had âfive husbandsâ (four fingers and a thumb â cf. Song of Solomon 5.4). In John 7.37-38, Jesus asks âIf any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink. He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.â

Given the biblical incidence of homosexual practice, the sexual metaphor in the Song of Solomon (âhis fruit was sweet to my tasteâ, 2.3), and that only a male produces this âliving waterâ, it follows that one male drinking anotherâs âliving waterâ, and his own flowing out copiously in response, can only be fellatio with semen ingestion.

A plain reading of the Bible reveals Abraham, Judah, David and Solomon (all direct ancestors of Jesus) to be what the Church calls âsex-abusersâ or âpsychopathsâ. As for Jesus himself (assuming his historical authenticity), there is in addition the peculiar circumstance of his conception and the authority that the Church confers on this â though Apocrypha 4.3 of the Wisdom of Solomon is quite explicit about lineages produced from unidentifiable fathers (or, perhaps because more than ten generations have elapsed, this is no longer relevant in his case - Deut 23.2). Then there are literally the thousands of wives of Jesus, including his own mother Mary who is also his daughter
[http://www.vijayvaani.com].

The Bible is so full of sex-abuse and psychopathy that the King James Version [http://etext.virginia.edu], edited to make it suitable for young Christians by âomitting all references to illicit and deviant sex acts [becomes] roughly the size of a theater programâ [http://www.landoverbaptist.org].

Hong Kong natives, noting the Bibleâs âsexual and violent content, including rape and incestâ, have demanded its classification as âindecentâ, so that âonly those over 18 could buy the holy book and it would need to be sealed in a wrapper with a statutory warning noticeâ [http://www.reuters.com]. It is certainly appropriate âthat the definitive version of the Lordâs Word was written by that unrepentant sodomite, King James, and therefore contains far more graphic descriptions of intimacy than any heterosexual author would ever have insertedâ
[http://www.landoverbaptist.org].

Yet Christian ministers dare throw stones at us pagans. Recall some of the stones thrown at us recently:

Urvashi - daughter of Vishnu â prostitute - Vashistha - son of prostitute - married his Mother - degraded person - Guru of Rama - Krishna in hell - shady character -Brahma kidnapped Sita - Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva - lust - sin to consider them Gods - Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva - lust and anger - projection as Gods â joke â evil Brahma - sinful people of India - worshipping false Gods â illicit vyabhichari relationships.

It is time we pay them back in their own coin. For it is the Christian god in their own Bible who ordains:

â¦life for life / Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot / Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe (Exodus 21.23-25).

â¦beast for beast / And if a man cause a blemish in his neighbour...so shall it be done to him / Breach for breach, eye for eye, tooth for tooth: as he hath caused a blemish in a man, so shall it be done to him again (Leviticus 24.18-20).

Jesus himself demanded:
â¦those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me (Luke 19.27).

True to these biblical injunctions, nowhere, but nowhere, in the world where professional Christianity has conquered, has it permitted significant pagan populations to survive. Nowhere in the territories of this abrahamism is there a meaningful survival of any paganism. There is not one significant exception to this worldwide historical fact.

Swami Vivekananda, continuing his text cited earlier, knew this:

With all your brags and boastings, where has your Christianity succeeded without the sword? Show me one place in the whole world. One, I say, throughout the history of the Christian religion -- one; I do not want two. I know how your forefathers were converted. They had to be converted or killed; that was allâ¦

"We are the only one!"
And why?
"Because we can kill others."
Therefore was Swami Laxmanananda Saraswati butchered.

Does the Vatican State permit us to propagate our paganism within its territory?

It is time we pagans forced a total and nationwide ban on professional Christians being allowed to perpetrate their violence against us and our gods in our own country.

Krishen Kak is a Hindu pagan

http://www.vigilonline.com/index.php?optio...d=1000&Itemid=1

Shambhu · (This post was last modified: 11-24-2008, 01:49 AM by Shambhu.)

Priesthood as vocation â and the mental health professional 
Krishen Kak

Source: http://www.vijayvaani.com
05 Nov 2008

The Christian priesthood is a vocation (from the Latin for "to call"), quite literally, a calling. The Christian god Jehovah, or more usually his "son" Jesus, speaks to, calls a man (or woman) to His service. To enter His service without this divine call to it is gross hypocrisy and is treating His service as a profane job rather than as a sacred mission.

The Vatican is quite explicit about this:

The priesthood is a vocation. No one can claim this dignity himself, but only those who are called by Godâ¦â¦The Bible states: "One does not take upon himself, but he is called by God" (Hebrews 5:4)â¦..The one who chooses him is also the same who consecrates him and sends him: that is, Christ himself, through the apostles and their successorsâ¦â¦ "You have not chosen me, but I have chosen you" (John 15:16) [1]

The true Christian priest is one, therefore, who has been selected by God to serve Him. Of this there can and should be no doubt. To ensure the absence of doubt, the proof of calling is the satisfaction of its authenticity by the successors of Christ, who can and should safely be presumed to themselves have been called by Christ.

It is a matter and test of faith. Jesus loves you and selects you, say the official successors of Christ and selectors of priests.

That is the official version. Why then should these successors and selectors need to resort to professional psychological testing, rather than their own faith, to determine whether Jesus has really called you to serve Him? Recently,

The Vatican issued new psychological screening guidelines for seminariansâ¦the latest effort by the Roman Catholic Church to be more selective about its priesthood candidates following a series of sex abuse scandals. The church said it issued the guidelines to help church leaders weed out candidates with "psychopathic disturbances." The scandals have rocked the church in recent years, triggering lawsuits that have cost hundreds of millions of dollars in settlements.[2]

Sex abuse? Psychopathic disturbances? Seems your this-worldly love for your human fellows may be more than your other-worldly love for Jesus!

This priestly pre-occupation with the theory and practice of sex-abuse by priests merits pagan attention for more than one reason.

To start with, consider how widespread it is:

Catholic American bishops actively lobbied against a proposed Ohio law to extend the statute of limitations in child sex-abuse cases, and the Archdiocese of Milwaukee used a real estate fund to pay a $450,000 settlement to a man who accused its then Archbishop of sex-abuse.[3]

In California, settlements totaling about $163.3 million were reached with victims of sex-abuse by priests and lay employees and "an additional 900 or so alleged victims of sexual abuse by Catholic clergy and lay people in California await resolution of their lawsuits".[4]

In Kentucky, a class-action suit that accused the church of a 50-year cover-up of sexual abuse by priests and other employees was settled by the church for $120 million.[5]

Los Angeles records at least 75 years of child sex-abuse by Catholic priests under the benevolent patronage of the cardinals in charge, "case after case in which the church was warned of abuse but failed to protect its parishioners". Settlement estimates exceed $500 million.[6]

A grand jury issued a scathing critique yesterday of the Archdiocese of Philadelphia, saying its former archbishops and other leaders concealed and facilitated clergy sex abuse of children for decades. The grand jury, which investigated the archdiocese for more than three years, concluded that at least 63 priests -- and probably many more -- sexually abused hundreds of minors over the past several decades. But even more disturbing, the jurors found, was the coverup by the two previous archbishops, Cardinals John Krol and Anthony J. Bevilacqua who, they concluded, ''excused and enabled the abuse" and put legal and financial interests and moral reputation of the archdiocese ahead of protecting the children entrusted to its careâ¦..The cardinals typically removed priests only when faced with the threat of lawsuit or scandal, the report found, and some archdiocesan leaders regularly lied to victims and their families when asked if an abuser had a prior record. Priest abusers were transferred to other parishes to hush up allegations; as a result, other children were victimized, the report found.[7]

The Catholic church in Boston agreed to pay $85 million to 560 people to settle their lawsuits and $10 million to 86 victims of one of its priests. Cardinal Bernard Law, the archbishop of Boston, who "resigned in 2002 after media reports publicizing his failure to remove abusive priests provoked public outrage" was papally "rewardedâ¦with a pleasant retirement sinecure: appointment as chief priest of the St. Mary Major Basilica, one of the greatest churches in Rome" where, "seated on a gilded white throne and wearing a funereal red chasuble with a broad golden stripe, [he] said a Mass of mourning for Pope John Paul II despite objections from clergy abuse victims".[8]

In 2007, the Catholic church in America forked out $615 million to settle child sex-abuse cases.[9]

The Vatican instructed Catholic bishops around the world to cover up cases of sexual abuse or risk being thrown out of the Church. The Observer has obtained a 40-year-old confidential document from the secret Vatican archive which lawyers are calling a 'blueprint for deception and concealment'â¦.. The 69-page Latin document bearing the seal of Pope John XXIII was sent to every bishop in the world. The instructions outline a policy of 'strictest' secrecy in dealing with allegations of sexual abuse and threatens those who speak out with excommunicationâ¦.. the instructions also cover what it calls the 'worst crime', described as an obscene act perpetrated by a cleric with 'youths of either sex or with brute animals (bestiality)'â¦ 'These instructions went out to every bishop around the globe and would certainly have applied in Britain. It proves there was an international conspiracy by the Church to hush up sexual abuse issues. It is a devious attempt to conceal criminal conduct and is a blueprint for deception and concealment'.[10]

Pope Benedict XVI is no different. As Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, he ordered "the church's investigations into child sex abuse claims be carried out in secretâ¦â¦'Cases of this kind are subject to the pontifical secret,' Ratzinger's letter concludes. Breaching the pontifical secret at any time while theâ¦order is operating carries penalties, including the threat of excommunication"; publicly, however, he claimed he was "`deeply ashamed' by the actions of pedophile priests", actions that have cost his church some $2 billion in settlements.[11]

No, it is not just the United States. Sex-abuse by Christian priests â and its cover-up by their superiors under a papal fatwa of excommunication - is so widespread that Wikipedia has a lengthy entry on it â Australia, Canada, Austria, Ireland and Britain are just some of the countries involved.[12]

The sexual abuse of nuns by priests is rampant "especially in Africa and other parts of the developing world" and is well within the knowledge of the Vatican. Indian nuns are exported to the West where, for example, in the Brigittine Order in Italy, they reportedly suffer "maltreatment, moral violence and working conditions close to slavery", reminiscent of the infamous Magdalene laundries of Ireland.[13]

Christian priests in India are not immune to this-worldly Christian love. The "church in Kerala is rocked by sex scandals" and 63 Kerala priests stand accused of "murder, attempt to murder, rape, molestation, assault, abduction, theft, break-in, cheatingâ¦almost every offence under the Indian Penal Code âand of course, the Ten Commandments". Tamil Nadu priests are trying to catch up. Notorious proselytiser Graham Staines was accused of sex-abuse and, as it happens, "Christian nuns claim false rape in India to defame Hinduism".[14]

The allegations of paedophilia/sexual abuse by Church functionaries had become so pressing that, in September 2001, a conclave on the subject was convened in St Peter's Church in the Vatican. That, out of 183 Roman Catholic cardinals in the world, 155 attended underscored its importance.[15]

Which brings us to a second point of pagan interest - more than two billion dollars for sex-abuse in about the last five decades by Christian priests and, given the Vatican's endeavour to silence pardey ke peechey kya hai, this must be only the tip of the iceberg. Just look at the staggering amount of money Christianity can spend to settle, not sex-abuse, but its sex-abuse cases.

And a third point of pagan interest â the whole biblical basis of sex-abuse.

Jehovah Himself has such a weak libido that in all His eternal existence He has chosen to produce only one child, that too a male - well, actually a holy ghost was responsible, but thereafter the biblical reference is "Son of God" and not the ghost's son. This His only Son He fathered without copulating (copula = to join) with the Son's human mother who was someone else's wife. The Son, conceived parthenogenetically, arguably was celibate too.

[Actually, it is not so simple. The Bible also describes Jesus as the son of Joseph (St John 1.45) and the Son of man (St John 1.51). It says too that "Christ cometh of the seed of David" (St John 7.42) which could make David the ancestor of Jehovah. Then, to complicate matters even further, Jesus and his father Jehovah are one (St John 10.30) so that, if Jesus was a historical figure, then in some inscrutable way Mary was impregnated by her own son to give birth to him. As the philosopher Julia Kristeva has noted, "Not only is Mary her son's mother and his daughter, she is also his wife"[16]. However, to make it simple again, recall here the saying attributed to Pope Leo X (who, under the doctrine of papal infallibility, would have known), "All ages can testifie enough howe profitable that fable of Christe hath ben to us and our companie", usually quoted as "It has served us well, this myth of Christ"[17]. In other words, the entire foundation of Christianity, and its Church, is mythological.]

However, about 4000 years earlier, Jehovah had created another male named Adam and this He did asexually. Jehovah then, again asexually, made a rib of Adam into a woman, and Adam then copulated with this his own rib to start off the entire human race. Unlike to His own Son through that ghost, to Adam and Adam's sons Jehovah gave a high sex drive.

We have said Jesus arguably was celibate; arguably, because there is a serious Gnostic argument that Jesus was married to Mary Magdalene. The Bible and Church tradition have it that the bride of Jesus is the Church (e.g., Eph.v.22-33; Rev 21.2). There is also that tradition that Jesus was married to his own mother; "in Christian thought the Virgin was understood as the Bride of Christ, her son"[18].

Now, the Church consists of both monks and nuns and, certainly insofar as the nuns are concerned, they are quite literally the brides of Christ. "Every nun" â past, present, future â is a "Bride of Christ"[19]. So Jesus has hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of wives.

But then what does this make the monks?
The chief monk or priest is Il Papa di Roma, the Pope (literally, father) who represents Christ on earth, so lesser priests (who call the Pope "Holy Father") can be seen to be lesser representatives (sons?) of Christ.

Now, on the one hand, those sons of Adam who are the Christian god's privileged interpreters, the priesthood, must strive to justify their creation by Him in His own image by being celibate like Him.

On the other hand, He Himself gave them the desire to copulate with the descendants of their own first ancestor and his rib.

So, from a pagan perspective, a priest can choose - sex with a nun as consummating her marriage to Christ, or sex with a man in the manner of the biblically-approved love of David and Jonathan, the wonderful love that surpasses the love of women (2 Sam 1.26 with 1 Sam 18.1, 3-4, 20.4 and 20.17).

And then there is all that original sex-abuse and psychopathology, that adultery and incest.

No wonder the priests are confused, and cannot decide whether to have sex with males, females, or not at all.

Which brings us back to the original point. Why should the successors of Christ and selectors of His servants (brides) need to resort to professional psychological testing, rather than rely on their own faith, to determine whether Jesus has really called you to serve Him?

Sex abuse is a sociological construct, not a theological one. A professional psychologist today is quite likely to interpret the ecstacy of St Teresa as masturbatory. The Victorian upper-class male saw no wrong in copulating with a pre-teen female. And one of Christ's prophetic successors took a number of wives amongst whom was a six-year-old girl.

Psychopathy is a sociopsychological construct, not a theological one. If a psychologist says I am a potential sex abuser, his professional opinion to "weed out" me will over-ride any theological one.

The Bible states: "One does not take upon himself, but he is called by God" (Hebrews 5:4); "You have not chosen me, but I have chosen you" (John 15:16).

If the Christian god has been calling sex-abusers and psychopaths to His priesthood, evidently He is not infallible. And clearly the Church lacks faith in its own professional theology that it calls in mental health professionals to choose for it.

Humans can veto "God".
Just one more reason to confirm to pagans that the Church continues to use "God" as a cover for its nefarious missionary-colonial enterprise.

Notes

1 http://www.vatican.va
2 http://ap.google.com
3 http://www.boston.com
http://www.hindu.com
http://www.hindu.com
http://www.nytimes.com
http://www.boston.com
http://www.nytimes.com
http://www.boston.com
http://www.bishop-accountability.org
http://www.boston.com
http://findarticles.com
http://www.guardian.co.uk
http://www.guardian.co.uk
http://www.nytimes.com
http://en.wikipedia.org
http://dailypioneer.com
http://www.shropshirestar.com
http://www.vijayvaani.com:
http://www.rediff.com
http://en.wikipedia.org
http://www.rediff.com
http://www.indianexpress.com
http://www.dnaindia.com
http://indiainteracts.com
http://www.rediff.com
http://hinduvoice.net
"MP nuns rape case: 12 involved are Christians", The Observer, 24 Oct, 1998
Balbir K Punj, "Time for some soul-searching", The Pioneer, Aug 29, 2003
http://books.google.co.in
http://en.wikiquote.org
http://employees.oneonta.edu
http://www.sacred-texts.com

http://www.vigilonline.com/index.php?optio...id=999&Itemid=1

**acharya** · 11-25-2008, 02:53 AM

NJ church killings affect a global community
http://www.newsday.com/news/local/wire/new...0,1455747.story

By VICTOR EPSTEIN and GEOFF MULVIHILL | Associated Press Writer
November 24, 2008

CLIFTON, N.J. - Just after the prayer for departed souls Sunday at a church that has long ministered to those making fresh starts, Reshma James was shot dead, allegedly by the estranged husband she had traveled halfway across the world to escape.

Two people who tried to help her were also shot in a tragedy in the St. Thomas Syrian Orthodox Knanaya Church in Clifton that has reverberated throughout the Knanaya faith, a close-knit Christian minority in India who are even closer-knit in the United States.

The cousin who took James in was in "extremely critical" condition, though police said hospital personnel were hopeful about her prospects. A man who apparently tried to intervene in the fight that led to the shootings was dead. And authorities were trying to find the alleged shooter, Joseph M. Pallipurath.

James' aunt, Maria Joseph, says 27-year-old Pallipurath had grown up in the United States before going to India last year to find a wife.

Joseph, who lives in Hartford, Conn., one of a handful of U.S. cities with big Knanaya communities, said she had heard from relatives that that Pallipurath had "behavioral problems."

She says she counseled her niece not to marry him. "I warned her lovingly," she said.

But the young woman, who wanted to be a nurse, did not listen.

The wedding was at the end of the summer of 2007 in the largely Christian state of Kerala, where a group of Knanaya Christians from Syria settled some 1700 years ago.

Joseph said her unheeded advice led to a rift. She said she didn't hear from the bride and groom after the wedding and did not know they moved to California early this year.

There would be more family mysteries and disappearances.

Pallipurath's father, Mathai, said his whole family, including his daughter-in-law visited India in September.

The 24-year-old James stayed behind with a promise to return to California. But she never did. Authorities say she wanted to get away from Pallipurath because he was abusive.

Instead, she arrived in Hawthorne, N.J., a few weeks ago to live with her distant cousin, 47-year-old Silvy Perincheril. Mathai Pallipurath said he did not know she was in the United States. And he said he knew his son left in October to stay with a relative in Georgia, but that he had not been in touch, either.

The blinds were drawn shut and nobody answered the door Monday at the Sacramento apartment building where the couple lived. Neighbor Maria Tolcock said she didn't know Pallipurath, but would see him frequently pacing on the deck of the second-floor apartment where they lived.

In New Jersey, James went with Perincheril to services at St. Thomas, a church that moved around the suburbs of New York City for 13 years before its members finally bought a modest brick building in Clifton eight years ago.

The vicar, the Rev. Thomas Abraham, said the church was founded in 1987 for a community that began a decade earlier, as Knanaya women came from India as exchange students in nursing and pharmacy and stayed.

Now, some services are in English as the church fills with the children of the first-generation immigrants who founded it.

On Sunday, one of those younger members was Dennis John Mallosseril, an engineer at the Schering-Plough Corp. and who was two days shy of his 26th birthday.

Witnesses said he tried to intervene when he saw Pallipurath come in and fight with James. He was shot and died Monday.

"He was just in the wrong place at the wrong time," Abraham said.

Mallosseril's cousin, Jiji Alummoottil, called the victim a hero: "He would help people in trouble. That's what he was doing yesterday and that's why he's dead."

Archbishop Kuriakose Mar Severios, who is based in Kerala, is scheduled to arrive in New Jersey on Wednesday to mourn.

____

Associated Press writers Judy Lin in Sacramento, Calif., and Bonny Ghosh in Clifton contributed to this article.

**shamu** · 11-25-2008, 08:25 AM

Familiar story from Japan too:

Japan Christians marking martyrs

Husky · (This post was last modified: 01-04-2009, 10:00 AM by Husky.)

QUOTE(shamu @ Nov 25 2008, 08:25 AM)Familiar story from Japan too:

Japan Christians marking martyrs
[right][snapback]90573[/snapback][/right]So are they finally marking the Japanese Shintoists and Buddhists they martyred? "Kyushu" = Japanese word for christian AND arsonist (because the cretins used to burn down Buddhist temples regularly). Medieval Japanese tell us that christian=arsonist (=terrorist). It is very hard to argue with them. In fact, it is impossible.

http://www.dailypioneer.com/135595/Nab-Swa...tes-demand.html
QUOTEBHUBANESWAR | Thursday, November 20, 2008 | Email | Print |

Nab Swamiâs killers by Dec 15, Hindu body reiterates demand

PNS | Phulbani

President of the Hindu Jagaran Sammukhya (HJS) Ashok Sahu, addressing a press conference here, the district headquarters of Kandhamal, on Wednesday reiterated the Sangh Parivar's demand to nab the real conspirators and killers of Swami Laxmanananda Saraswati latest by December 15 to avoid a mass movement on the issue.

Meanwhile, in a memorandum submitted to the Central Ministerial delegation, the Sammukhya alleged that the CRPF guarding the Jalespeta Ashram was mysteriously withdrawn despite the threat to Swamijiâs life. The CRPF was deployed for more than two months prior to his killing on August 23, 2008. The organisation alleged that there was a conspiracy to eliminate the swami during his stay in the ashram and the killers were mostly locals.
(It is not an allegation. There is evidence to this effect. Including documents, see at
http://sites.google.com/site/hindunow/kand...tist-conspiracy)

Sahu also alleged that many innocents including minors and women folk were arrested by gun-toting CRPF jawans during the raids and false cases lodged against them. He also alleged thefts ,loot and misappropriation by the security personnel and demanded that all NGOs receiving foreign funds and involved in conversion activities must be banned from operating in the district. The priests who have violated the anti conversion law OFRA,must be legally dealt with and criminal cases lodged against them, said Sahu.Swami Lakshmanananda murdered by christoterrorists, Swami Amritanand overdosed with drugs to unconsciousness on purpose by christogovt, now they are after Swami Asimanand.

And people will still wonder "who or what" is "mysteriously" doing all this. Oh I don't know. It's all so hard ... about as hard as adding 1 and 1.
It is cretinism/christianism. When Hindus hear the word "christian" they should be more afraid than when they hear the word "taliban". The taliban live in Afghanistan primarily.

http://vivekajyoti.blogspot.com/search/lab...mananda%20Swami
QUOTEChristist terrorists killed the Hindu Spiritual Leader

From: bharata desha
Date: Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 3:58 AM
Subject: How missionaries killed the Hindu Spiritual Leader who worked tirelessly for 40 years in Orissa

How missionaries killed the hindu spiritual leader who worked tirelessly for 40 years in Orissa
(Picture of the poor dead beautiful Swami Lakshmanananda. Brutally murdered by the most horrible and horrifying living nightmare and scourge of the Earth called cretinism/christianism.)

http://www.ndtv.com/convergence/ndtv/video...t.aspx?id=36730

The Vedic Friends Association condemns the killing of Lakshmananda Swami and the other VHP workers who had been working against the conversion tactics of the Christians in the tribal area of Orissa. He had stayed in the tribal area for many years with the attempt to preserve and protect the customs and Vedic traditions in the area. The story of how he was killed follows below, as well as a brief history of his courageous activities in the area.

I know how risky it can be in doing such work, having twice traveled in the northeast region of India, such as Assam, Arunachal Pradesh, Nagaland, etc., giving lectures and talks about the need to preserve our indigenous traditions, even encountering a bandh or strike imposed on everyone by militant Christians on all movement in the country. This shows the risk that we take when engaged in such activities, and even more for those who stay.

We send out our best wishes to all those who survived and who remain dedicated to helping all who remain on their traditional path of spiritual development. It is the work of those like the elderly but courageous Lakshmananda Swami who inspire others to continue the work for the benefit of others who wish to follow their own indigenous Vedic traditions.

Stephen Knapp

President of the Vedic Friends Association

www.vedicfriends.org

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE The police have arrested Pradesh Kumar Das, an employee of the World Vision, a Christian Charity, from Khadagpur while escaping from the district at Buguda. In another drive, two other persons Vikram Digal and William Digal have been arrested from the house of Lal Digal, a local militant Christian, from Nuasahi at Gunjibadi, Nuagaan. They have admitted to having joined a group of 28 other assailants. http://www.dailypio neer.com/ indexn12. asp?main_ variable= front%5Fpage& file_name= story5%2Etxt& counter_img= 5
(http://www.dailypioneer.com/19104/Widesp...-QuoteEEnd-->

ADDED: To the international and christomedia, the twofaced christoterrorists lie about their murder of Swami Lakshmanananda, a murder which they congratulate themselves on (having finally succeeded in their brutal murder after so many previous attempts).
It's just like how they publicly denied that they murdered some Sri Lankan Buddhist monk who tried to stop conversions and to whom they had issued death threats:
http://freetruth.50webs.org/D4g.htm
"Mysterious death of Buddhist leader, assassination attempts on Hindu leader - both opposed to conversions.
Death threats to Buddhist leaders who are against unethical conversions."
What a "mystery". I wish people would stop calling this a mystery. If people can't see there's a clear and defined pattern...

Shambhu · (This post was last modified: 11-25-2008, 10:28 PM by Shambhu.)

A quick look at the speech. Its okay given the context of the event in the English Midlands. Remember that this archbishop is so learned that he has become mad. In short: a crackpot. He sits in the House of Lords, England's Supreme Court of Appeals. He argues that Sharia law be permitted to be practiced in England. It is already in use in some non-criminal cases, as is Jewish Rabbinical law. The mistake is in the eagerness of the Balaji Temple trustees to dedicate Sri Balaji's hills to other faiths. Was Sri Balaji consulted? I think not: the trustees always know better than the God. Hindus are too eager to invite their declared enemies into their houses without first getting these antagonistic neighbors to reciprocate the favour. Itâs just like the papers: a news item showing a Hindu praying in a church. But we never see a news item of a Christian praying in a temple.

http://vivekajyoti.blogspot.com/
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Balaji Temple trustees following in the footsteps of our psecs who invited Papa to come to India on Diwali..

11-26-2008, 11:56 AM

Inquest cop in nun case found deadQUOTEThiruvananthapuram, Nov. 25: The mystery shrouding the death of a Catholic nun in Kerala 16 years ago deepened when a retired police officer who had prepared the inquest report was found dead today.

A suicide note blaming the CBI for his death was found near the body of V.V. Augustine, a former additional sub-inspector of police, in his house at Chingavanam, near Kottayam. His wrists were slit.

The note said: âThe CBI is responsible.â It also contained instructions regarding inheritance of the family property.

The CBI, which is investigating Sister Abhayaâs death â her body was found in a well at St Pius X Convent in Kottayam on March 27, 1992 â had earlier this month arrested two priests and a nun for her alleged murder. Yesterday, it had obtained a statement from Augustine, the first police officer to reach the scene of crime.

There was speculation that Augustine, 62, would be picked up for further questioning and could end up being named an accused. He had been subjected to brain-mapping in 2007. 

Augustine had approached an advocate to secure an anticipatory bail, but there was no progress on it because he had not followed it up.

The police, who had initially investigated the nunâs death, had declared it a suicide. But on a petition by Abhayaâs father, Thomas Areekara, the high court directed the CBI to take up the case in 2003. Since then, the CBI has filed three closure reports saying the nun was murdered but the suspects could not be found. The court refused to accept this and ordered the CBI to probe further.

Augustine was under the cloud as his inquest report, which suggested the nun had committed suicide, conflicted with the one given by the fire services personnel who brought Abhayaâs body out of the well. 
CBI or ATS first will do brain mapping and then blame anyone.
CBI and ATS is now new criminal organisation of India, funded by Indian Government led by Congress Party.

Husky · (This post was last modified: 11-26-2008, 06:36 PM by Husky.)

timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Cities/Thirupuram/Kerala_nuns_suicide_Detailed_probe_sought/articleshow/3360656.cms
via http://vivekajyoti.blogspot.com/2008_11_01_archive.html
QUOTEKerala nun's suicide: Detailed probe sought
13 Aug 2008, 1456 hrs IST, PTI

THIRUVANANTHAPURAM: As a Crime Branch inquiry was ordered on Wednesday into the suicide by a nun in Kollam allegedly due to sexual harassment by a senior nun, father of the deceased met Chief Minister V S Achuthanandan seeking a detailed probe into the incident.

State DGP Raman Sreevastava ordered a crime branch probe into the incident, official sources said.

The 23-year-old Anupa Mary was found hanging from a ceiling fan in her room in the St Mary's Convent in Kollam yesterday. A note left by her said she was taking the extreme step as she could no longer bear the harassment.

Mary's father Pappachan, who had alleged that his daughter was harassed by a senior nun in the convent, met the Chief Minister here this morning.

Achuthanandan assured him that the government would take necessary steps in the case, the sources said.

Meanwhile, the Kollam diocese also ordered an "inhouse inquiry" into the incident, church sources said.

Mary, a teacher in a Lower Primary school run by the St Mary's Convent Holy Cross Order, hailed from a poor family in nearby Kanjiramkode.

She had joined St Mary's convent two months ago on taking the vow of nunhood. Earlier, she was attached to another convent in the city.

A recent suggestion by the Kerala State Women's Commission on age-bar for enrolment of the girls as nuns had triggered protests from various Christian organisations in the state.
Turns out she was sexually harrassed by a *gang* of nuns, led by a highplaced ringleader: the "mother superior". <- Very superior in christian terms.
http://www.organiser.org/dynamic/modules.p...pid=254&page=32
QUOTEReports

Gory stories of convent deaths
Then Sister Abhaya; now Sister Anupa Mary
By S. Chandrasekhar

[...]
Sister Anupa Mary (22) who joined St. Maryâs convent in Port Kollam on May 27 was found hanging from the ceiling of her room in the convent on August 11 at 4 AM. Her Father Pappachan was a cook in the Bishopâs House at Kollam and she was promised medical education along with her nunnery.

Her father has alleged that his daughter was physically, mentally and sexually tortured by the other sisters of the convent, especially the Mother Superior. He said Anupa Mary was asked to wash the undergarments of other nuns, clean their toilets and do all menial jobs. He also alleged that his daughter was not allowed to close the doors of her room at night and the nuns used to come to her room and sexually abuse her. The sister in her suicide note, has put the blame on the Mother Superior and other sisters for her suicide.

Following all round political and public outcry the Government has ordered crime branch enquiry by IG Harinath Mishra.

An unnatural event in suicide cases, the cloth used for suicide was cut and the sisterâs body placed in the cot, before police arrival. Also valuable evidences in investigations have been destroyed. Moreover media reports say that the unnatural deaths of several sisters in convents of Kerala, for the past three to four decades have been buried, no questions asked.Disgusting.
Christianism is an ideology that instills and encourages sexual predatory behaviour: in their priests, nuns, regular adherents. The same pattern repeating over and over. Aren't the christian victims sick of this already: being murdered by other christians? Don't christians want to be free of all the terrorism? They can escape it. Join a Natural Tradition, rejoin humanity. Live.

Abusive nuns, eh? Somewhat reminiscent of the Magdalene Laundries.

Husky · 11-27-2008, 01:59 PM

http://vivekajyoti.blogspot.com/2008/11/...h-nun.html
QUOTENov 10, 2008

'One month' nun

from Radha Rajan
date Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 7:31 AM
subject'One month' nun

This woman who hid her face but gave graphic details about her blouse, saree hair etc refused to turn up for the identification parade and wants a month's time. This woman seems to have a penchant for 'one month'. She cried 'rape' one month after the dark deed. And now she wants 'one month' to appear for the identification parade. The Orissa govt, God knows on what basis has arrested some persons for the rape. I suppose they will have to wait in jail for the good raped nun to take her time and come and identify them. But since this abuse of human rights is being perpetrated by good old minority community in frocks and gowns, I suppose it is OK. Let them wait in jail for the raped nun to make up her mind - whether she was raped or not, whether to identify or not.

[...]

Husky · (This post was last modified: 11-27-2008, 04:20 PM by Husky.)

1. http://rajeev2004.blogspot.com/2008/11/mor...h-gone-mad.html
QUOTEmore witch-hunts: Arjun Singh gone Mad
nov 26th, 2008

no, he's not mad. he's just a good christist.
(I'm glad rajeev2004.blogspot said it. Undeclared anti-Hindus are always cryptochristos.)

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Naresh Khanna

Hate scan on school texts

- Arjun push for panel to question publishers, schools CHARU SUDAN KASTURI

Arjun Singh

New Delhi, Nov. 20: Human resource development minister Arjun Singh
has asked his officials to speed up plans to introduce a central panel
armed with legal powers to question publishers and schools on
textbooks alleged to be spreading communal hatred.

The National Textbook Council will specifically target books used at
schools run by the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh and its affiliates, top
government officials said. The RSS runs a network of schools called
Saraswati Shishu Mandirs across the country.

But the powers of the council, the officials conceded, would be
extremely limited, effectively making it only a political tool in an
election season rather than an agent to curb books that spread hatred.
Six states are in the middle of conducting elections. The Lok Sabha
polls are scheduled for 2009.
(Excuse me? The books that spread hatred and genocide are Koran and the Bible. They call upon their zombie followers to kill the "idolatrous kaffirs" and stone adulterers and rape victims. It's all in the babble and koran. Anjum Stink can look it up.)

While it can call publishers and schools to question contents of a
textbook, the council cannot order any action against them if it finds
the textbooks are indeed spreading disharmony. "The council can only
counsel, not act against the publisher or school," a source said.

Arjun's prod follows a letter to him and Prime Minister Manmohan Singh
from chemicals and fertilisers minister Ram Vilas Paswan last week,
urgently seeking their intervention in preventing textbooks used in
RSS schools from "fabricating history".

The HRD minister's hurry to form the council, articulated to his
officials earlier this week, also indicates a possible return to the
"desaffronisation" agenda that he followed four years ago, sources
said.

The textbook council was first proposed by a sub-committee of the
Central Advisory Board on Education in 2006, and the HRD ministry
started working on a draft law to create it.

But the government appeared to lose its initial interest in pushing
through the council bill quickly, a source said, adding: "That
interest has now been reactivated."

The HRD ministry has received comments from all ministries on the
proposed bill. It may move a note before the cabinet "now that the
political signal has come", the source said.

The bill makes it clear that the council is aimed at textbooks that
promote religious intolerance or hatred for certain religions.

According to its mandate under the bill, the council cannot, however,
address any other form of intolerance â for instance, along the lines
of caste, race or gender â that may allegedly be spread through
textbooks.

It also cannot intervene in cases of factual inaccuracy, or instances
where the content of a textbook is unsubstantiated and challenges
traditional culture and practice, sources said.

They cited the example of a primary school textbook that said a family
of four would always be happier than a family of eight as it would
have more to eat and better clothes to wear.

An MP had complained to the HRD ministry that the lesson would breed a
generation of people who would dump their parents once they started
their own families, the sources said.

http://www.telegraphindia.com//1081121/jsp...y_10141314.jsp#
Posted by nizhal yoddha at 11/26/2008 03:04:00 AM 0 comments 

2. http://rajeev2004.blogspot.com/2008/11/for...-out-tibet.html
QUOTEthe (former) christist empire sells out tibet to the han empire
nov 26th, 2008

the slimeys have found it increasingly lucrative to attach their lips to chinese bottoms.

j nehru must be delighted. after all, he did this first.

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Harish

What else can we expect ah ? My heart goes out for the poor Tibetans..
http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/11/25/o...barnet.php

Husky · (This post was last modified: 11-27-2008, 04:52 PM by Husky.)

http://janamejayan.wordpress.com/2008/09/0...onaries-in-goa/
QUOTEAtrocities on Hindus by missionaries in Goa
By janamejayan

By: V SUNDARAMThis is part of the same series that Viren posted in the History Of Goa - First Europeans, GOA RESEARCH thread.

Husky · 11-29-2008, 08:06 AM

1. Previously posted excerpts from this. All of this is a very good read. Better to read it at the link instead though.

http://christianaggression.com/item_displa...S&id=1117777981
There is nothing "Secular" about the "Right to Convert"

Posted June 3, 2005
From: Laura Kelly (laurakelly@rediffmail.com)
Date: 12 May 2005 10:09:04 -0000

Introduction

There were four letters published in âThe Hinduâ during August 29, 2001 and September 5, 2001. Sri Ramagopalan of the âHindu Munnaniâ published a letter on August 29. This was followed by letters attacking him and Hinduism (a ratio 1:4.)

The following is a record of my replies to the attackers. The Hindu has once proven its true credential that it is a communist worthy and unworthy of Hindus and had again suppressed the voice of Hindus. My replies were never published. This is for record and for publication. I feel that the anti conversion acts enacted in various states must in earnest be renamed as âThe protection and preservation on endangered cultures, religions, flora and fauna, art, architecture, and heritage of particular Bharat (or of a state say Rajasthan).This is to give a positive touch to the legislations and also stop the poachers on their track. The act now renamed would have very wide scope and empower the state to act tough against evangelical poachers, to the extent of giving death sentence. The state need not feel defensive and bitter for having enacted an anti-conversion act that is being interpreted as interfering in religious freedom. This makes the act very broad with wide and sweeping powers and indeed very sophisticated in the arsenal. This will put the western powers not to give a negative portrayal of the act that seeks to prevent religious conversions.

-- Laura Kelly

(The fact that her letters rebutting christo conversionism were never published, proves The Chindu is in particular a christoterrorist communist paper)

* * *

Please refer to four letters from your readers (The Hindu: August 29th, August 30th, September 1st & September 5th, 2001) and the acrimonious debate that followed on the issue of the âRights to convertâ. Whereas the world over, anthropologists, sociologists, ecologists and all right thinking people are trying very hard to preserve Social, Cultural and Biological diversity.

To argue that every single individual in the world, be converted to one particular faith or religion is audacious. There is nothing secular about the ârights to convertâ, even if it be permitted by the constitution of India, other than theological raison d'Ãªtre, which do not withstand the scientific temper of the modern world except for fanatical Christian who alone buys the argument. Across the globe, the call is to preserve diversity-bio diversity, cultural diversity, linguistic diversity, religious diversity and even culinary diversity. These are as much endangered as the flora and Fauna. Many indigenous civilizations have simply vanished, and are vanishing due to various reasons. Many small tribes and native people are disappearing, and hence it is important to take into account the unique heritage of each group in the Socio-Religious and cultural (bio) sphere of the Indian subcontinent, and the dire imperative to protect it from evangelical poachers.

The best example for institutions that have understood the importance of attracting, retaining and developing diversity are the US universities that attract and retain the diverse student population. MNCS are dotted with multiplicity of employee profiles and language groups. It is discernible as well down-to-earth to foster alternative thinking patterns and for getting better solutions to the pressing problems that corporations are facing now, but also to the complex problems that they may face in the future.

âDIVERSITY EMBEDDED IN THE UNIVERSEâ was the theme of a biodiversity convention. To bicker against this central law -- is to work against nature itself. A single religious credo cannot become the dominant idea that threatens the survival of all others. Nature has not designed the universe that way â that a set of human beings impose their dogma on all people as the ULTIMATE TRUTH. Gandhi made this momentous remark to a group of missionaries who sought his guidance on 12 March 1942 âamong all agents of the many untruths that are propounded in the world one of the foremost is Theology, I do not say that there is no demand for it, there is demand in the world for many a questionable thingâ. (Collected works volume 71, page 328.)1

Endangered cultures

The destructiveness and belligerence of human beings are endangering not only the flora and fauna, but also the various religious cultural and linguistic groups. Innumerable original cultures and languages have simply vanished due to this vicious activity, and many others have become endangered. With the disappearance of each cultural group, the collective wisdom of the group also dies out. (E.g. pre-Christian Rome and Greece, and pre Islamic Egypt) Each civilization is a rich repository of collective knowledge, symbols, and insight; that may hold crucial keys not only to Eco logical wisdom--co-existence--medicinal âknow howâ, and -âknow whatâ-- but also to the centuries old life styles, values and sacred beliefs, that sustains these knowledge systems. Indian, Chinese and Japanese are three ancient civilizations that have withstood the test of Time. India has been a great repository of tribes and native people that are rapidly dwindling, much to the apprehension of anthropologists. Consequently, it is imperative to take into account the incomparable richness of each group, their role in the civilizing (bio) sphere of the Indian subcontinent, and the urgent call to protect them from poachers. It ought to be the central theme of the Indian constitution to care for all endogenous cultures and ensure their continuity -- the great families of homegrown faiths that have survived until now, after having evolved over thousands of years are being endangered now, and they need to be PRESERVED AND PROTECTED FOR POSTERIORITY. These cultures have as many rights to exist -- live to tell the tale -- and pass on their traditions to their children, grand children and their children. In this they are much like their contenders, who are ever keen to rub salt at the genuine rights and persuade these people to break with their traditions, cut family ties and destroy the connections, and thereby strike at the very roots of these magnificent cultures. That is why it is the bounden duty of the constitution of India to protect all these cultures and the people, who are citizens of the land, as much as their contenders are. If the civil rights are not applicable to all sections of the population uniformly at this instant â one has to take a closer look at what makes the charter of the Indian constitution undemocratic, and hence the dire need to amend it now.

Rev. Dr. Verrier Elwin the famed missionary anthropologist (who was impressed by Gandhi, and whose testimony is given elsewhere in the article) was alarmed at the destruction brought about conversion of tribals, married a tribal woman and renounced his missionary career altogether in order to work for their welfare without uprooting them. Now I have taken the opportunity presented by the readers of The Hindu, to reply to them in the framework of the most recent findings. The objective is to sort out the mess between, Myths, History, Doctrine and Theology of the primitive ideologies that spearhead conversions in India; versus, the policy of Hindus that aims âto live and let liveâ. The basic premises of the predatory policies of evangelicals are questionable. In addition, the evangelicals make use of the favorable host climate of tolerance amongst the Hindus, and the prevailing policy of secularism in India, to further âharvesting of soulsâ, which is greatly unfavorable not only to the Hindus in India, but also to Buddhists, Jains, Jews and Zoroastrians.

Understanding the Debate

RAMA GOPALAN: [The Hindu: Wednesday, August 29, 2001] convener Hindu Munnani: kicked off the debate. He said: âThis has reference to the news report âPM hopeful of solution to Ayodhya issue by Marchâ. August 27. Your correspondent, Mr. J. P. Shukla, may have misquoted the Prime Minister, and / or misunderstood the constitution when he reports. In fact, Conversion had been guaranteed by the constitution.â Nothing can be farther from the truth, Article 25 of the constitution grants to every citizen âfreedom of conscience and free profession, practice and propagation of religionâ. This right is given not just to the minorities as is often made out, but to every citizen including Hindus (â¦) missionaries have insisted that article 25 provides them the constitutional right to proselytize and convert (â¦) then, through means of fraudulent representation an allurement of money (â¦) It is with these examples and dangers in mind the supreme court delivered that historic judgmentâ.

Mr. Rama Gopalan did not in fact furnish the verbatim text of the Judgment -- the Historical juncture, in which it delivered, during the emergency, not by a solitary judge, as alleged by I. D. Jawahar Raj in his letter dated 5th September--but by a constitutional bench of five judges.

Mr. N DHARMESWARAN: [The Hindu dated August 30th reacted]: âMr. Ramgopalan put up a spirited rebuttal; the lacuna is that it is legalisticâ (...) he continued, â People also need material support, education, heath care etc, in this Hinduism lags way behindâ. The reason, he stated, âthat Hinduism lags way behind in charityâ. Could this be an ample reason, to defy and negate the supreme courtsâ Judgment, the law of the land? He made a stilted remark that the Hindus are woefully inadequate in charity is obsolete and old fashioned, and ill au fait. We are going to see how this myth perpetrated by those having stakes, will be demolished.

Dr. Ebe Sunder RAJ: [the Hindu: Saturday, September 1, 2001]: Joint convener, united Christian forums for Human rights 2. See his article âThe Indian church and nationalityâ, published in the Hindu dated 7 November 2000 refers to his role].

Pastor Ebe Sunderarj comments: (â¦) â Freedom of the seeker to profess, practice and propagate (â¦) Mr. Ramgopalan will do well to document ten cases of a dalit or tribal embrace the Christian faith by force or fraud, as convicted by a court of law in the last 50 years anywhere in India .A thousand repetitions do not convert false allegations into truthâ. Well, authentic documentation is available for the asking, running into thousands of pages, but who will punish the guilty? Will missionaries and their western allies allow this to happen?

I. D JAWAHRARAJ: [The Hindu September 5th 2001 said]: (â¦) âThe supreme courtsâ pronouncement of 1977 on the propagation of religion has been lambasted by eminent non-Christians, who recommended its review by a large benchâ (â¦) He further says âlet us all strive to understand the tenets of each otherâs religion for the sake of enduring peace and good will among different communitiesâ. No doubt, his intension is a laudable one. He failed to substantiate as to who the âeminent non-Christiansâ were. Moreover, when he stated, that these non-Christians âwho recommended â¦to review of the supreme courtsâ pronouncement by a large bench.â All these are grossly imprecise information.

Rama Gopalan did not spell out how the provisions of the constitution under the Article 25, 26 and 30 are wholly disadvantageous to the Hindus -- the Article 25 of the constitution that guarantees the rights to âProfess practice and propagateâ is between uneven followers. Hinduism, Judaism and Zoroastrianism, do not have a tradition of proselytizing unlike Christianity and Islam. They both stretch lock, stock and barrel by proselytizing and thrive on proselytization. âIt is like the wolves are given a right and also sheep given liberty to prey each otherâ 3

Reverent Stanley Jones, when he sought the counsel of Rajaji during the creation of the constitution, suggested to incorporate âProfess Practice and Preachâ, instead of âProfess Practice and Propagateâ in the constitution. The due weight of this proposal and the vision of the Gandhiji were discarded as âuncalled-forâ and during the creation of the three contentious articles: 25, 26 and 30.4

In a rejoinder like this, I am not going to examine the evidence of powerful lobbies that were at work; both Indian and overseas that were monitoring the day-by-day proceedings of the constitutional assembly and influenced its outcomes considerably.

The scope of the counter is restricted to:

Primarily the question is, is it indisputable to convert any body âas a matter of rightâ, to some other faith, just because the constitution permits even if the person is a minor?

To assume that these people are eager to convert just because they are economically and socially poor is but a grand delusion. These people are keen to protect their ways of life. Eager to follow the path of their forebears, that distinguishes them from the rest of the world, and have no will and desire to put an end to that way of life, come what may. They may not be modern, may be syncretic idolaters, animists, and pagans. Nevertheless, they have as much right to exist and they need not be apologetic for their existence, as those who try to convert them portray in their propaganda. It is worthwhile for to us examine, whether the law protects these vulnerable people and what it bellows?

The Judgment delivered in the Stanislaus versus the State of Madhya Pradesh in January 1977 {AIR 1977 SC 908} by the Supreme Court of India was a landmark Judgment. The verdict was emphatic. The judgment acquires paramount importance as it was delivered either by a solitary judge, or by a bench of two judges; neither by a bench of three judges â nor by a bench consisting of four judges; but by a full constitutional bench comprising five judges, having flawless professional acumen and credentials; Honorable Justices A. N. Ray, M. N Beg, R. S Sarkaria, P. N Shingal and Jaswant Singh. It was not a BJP in power at that time, but the Congress party. Indira Gandhi was the prime minister; she had, all her opponents, in Jail she was overriding with iron fists. Hence the pronouncement of the Judgment itself, at the heights of emergency, in January 1977, acquires paramount importance. The judgment itself is given in full. The verdict itself has not been superseded by any other judgment and so it stands. Therefore, this is the commandment.5

The Supreme Courtâs JUDGMENT on âRIGHTS to convertâ {1977, SC: 908}

âWe find no justification for the view that if article 25(1) grants a fundamental right to convert a person to onesâ own religion. It has to be appreciated that the freedom of religion enshrined in the article is not guaranteed in respect of one âreligion only, but covers all religions alike, and can be properly enjoyed by a person if he exercises his right in a manner commensurate with the like freedom of persons. What is freedom for one is freedom for the other in equal measure, and there can, therefore, be no such thing as a fundamental right to convert any person to oneâs own religionâ 6.

Pastor Ebe Sunder Raj mentioned about his rights to convert, enshrined in the constitution and arrived at this conclusion âwhether a santhaali or kuki or dalit or any section has the right to choose a faith of his choice.â He did not mention Muslims in the list, why is he selective â¦ Santhals and kukis alone. He assumes that these people do not have a âfaith alreadyâ; colonial missionaries from the days of Claudius Buchanan adopted the convenient missioligical position to launch proselytizing in India. It made Claudius Buchanan, a chaplain attached to the east India company to say: âNo Christian nation, ever possessed such an extensive field for the propagation of Christian faith, as that afforded to us by our influence over 100 million natives of Hindoostan. No other nation ever possessed such facilities for the extension of the faith as we have in the government of a passive people, who yield submissively to our mild sway, reverence our principles, and acknowledge our dominion to a blessingâ {Claudius Buchanan, Memories of expediency of an ecclesiastical establishment for British east India; both as a means of perpetuating Christian religions among our country men: and as a foundation for the ultimate civilization of the natives. London 1805. Part 2, paragraph 6.} The colonial ambitions were expressed without inhibitions, missions offered lucrative careers, and pastor Ebe the Joint convener, united Christian forum for Human rights, does not lag behind when he used warped reason âbecause vast segments do not practise any initiation ceremony through a priest. Our 200 million dalits belong to this category (â¦)â a missiological argument used to âcreate a vacuum and then fill it up with what? The answer is, âChristianityâ.

âIn the constituent assembly, debates initiated by K.M. MUNSHI. A Harijan member came up with a demand for a specific clause for prohibiting conversion by material allurements and fraudulent means.â Mr. R. P Thakur, who clarified his position: 7

âSir, I am a member of the depressed classes. The clause of the fundamental rights is very important from the standpoint of my community. You know well, sir that the victims of these religious conversions are ordinarily from the depressed classes. The preachers of other religions approach these classes of people, take advantage of their ignorance, extend all sorts of temptations and ultimately convert them. I want to know from Munshiji whether âfraudâ covers all these things. If it does not cover them, I should ask Munshi to redraft this clause so that fraud of this nature might not be practiced on these depressed classes. I should certainly call this âfraud.â (Constitutional assembly debates vol 3.pp490-491). 8â Hence Mahatma Gandhi called âconversions a fraud on humanityâ. 9

Ebe Sunder raj mentioned about (â¦) âthe rights of santhalis kukis dalits etcâ (â¦). It is not known whether the church to which he belongs authorized to speak on its behalf or the kukis santhalis and dalits authorised him to do soâ¦.

Joseph Troisi, a Christian Anthropologist and author testifies about the santhlhalis on whose behalf, Ebe supposedly speaks. âWhile among the non Christian (santhalis) the most important part of the marriage ceremony is the sindhradhan, or smearing the bridesâ forehead with Vermillion, among the Christians the exchange of rings by bride and groom marks them as husband and wifeâ the applying of sindhoor is tabooed. The clean break is also in evidence in funeral rites (...) the converts are, largely being alienated from their village communities. Moreover, converts also become estranged from their own kinsfolk. They are prohibited by their own religion from taking part in the ritual offerings and ceremoniesâ¦ that act as a strong force among the family membersââ10 (Joseph Troisi, Tribal Religions, p.270).

Eminent anthropologist Christoph Von Furer Haimendorf laments âThe missionary influence has eroded much of the tribal cultural heritage, linked inseparably with traditional mythology, beliefs and rituals and wilted when these were abandoned. Above all, the conversion of part of a community tends to destroy the social unity of the whole tribeâ. I would like to add, the whole knowledge and wisdom regarding flora and fauna and herbs that could prove to be sources of wonder drugs is lost with the loss of each tribal wisdom. Christian missionaries have done nothing to save this heritage, let alone caring for them.11 (C. Von Furer âHaimendorf: Tribes of India, pp.307 &308)

Sigmund Freud has studied the hatred of converts toward their mother religions See Sigmund Freud: Der Mann Moses und die Monotheistische Religion: Der Abhandkungen (1939), republished by Penguin Freud Library Volume 13. Vintage books, 1939, pp.117-117). (â¦) 12 âA good many nishi youths have been converted to Christianity (in the north east India) â¦ this in itself need not have created any difficultyâ¦and if the Christian converts had been equally tolerating, â¦ However, the converts seem to have been lacking tolerance â¦ to whom I spoke in 1980 complained bitterly that Christians deliberately disrupted the harmony of community life (â¦) old parents were abandoned by their converted children, who claimed that they could not stay in dwellings where âdevilsâ were worshipped (â¦). My informants insisted that the missions encouraged the establishment of separate settlements for Christiansâ¦the Christians refused to participate in village festivals, thereby demonstrating their dislocation from the tribal community.(â¦) Moreover, that converts, not satisfied with this symbolic withdrawal from village life , went a step further by abusing and physically attacking priests as they invoked the gods in the performance of traditional nishi ritualsâ(...)âNishi teachers at the government schools in yazali, who were members of youth organization formed to promote traditional tribal culture, told me how frustrated they were because they could not match the large sums lavished by the missions on propaganda which is undermining the old Nishi life âstyle.(â¦) The conflict created by the impact of Christianity on the Nishis stands in striking contrast to developments taking place in neighboring kameng district, where tribal groups such as khovas have come under the influence of Tibetan Buddhism (â¦). Among the khovas, there is a spontaneous trend towards Tibetan Buddhism; in two villages small gompa are und construction, and the villagers have invited Monpa lamas to perform Buddhist rituals (â¦). Unlike the christian converts among nishis, those khovas who are attracted to Buddhism do not opt out of the social life of their community and continue to participate in traditional tribal rituals (â¦) among the Monpas too, elements of the ancient Bon religion co exist with the dominant Buddhist faith (â¦) and the practice of both religions within the same communities has not sparked off any conflicts comparable to those threaten to destroy the social fabric of nishis affected by rivalriesâ13 C. Von Furer âHaimendorf, Tribes in India. P.308, 309 and 319 (â¦)

Theological Persecution

The letter of Rev. Ebe Sunder Raj is also full of missiological polemics; he calls it â the rights to chooseâ, as âthe rights to convertâ, a term that no lay Hindu could understand. There is world of difference between, âchoicesâ versus a âreligious conversionâ. The dictionary connotations for âchooseâ are: decide, want, prefer, desire, wish, opt, select and pick. You can choose toothpaste but cannot convert to toothpaste, however while pastors are adopting choose, marketing managers prefer a stronger word âConvertâ-- Converting a customer from X brand to Y brand, much to the chagrin of ministers. While you can convert to a religion of your choice the significance for âReligious Conversionâ would incorporate: âchange, exchange, adapt, alter, translate, renovate, switch, and transformâ. He has furthered the aims of proselytization, when he stated; (â¦) âthe supreme courts verdict of 1977 deal only with the freedom of the seeker to profess practise and propagate and does not speak of the rights of the pastor or purohit or moulavi to convertâ He said the purohits, mullahs and pastors to be engaged in âinitiationâ.

WHAT IS THE SANCTITY OF THE law IF It DIFFERENTIATES between individuals WHO DEFY THE LAW AND THOSE WHO ABET?

Truncated meaning

The dictionary meaning of initiation which would include; âlaunch, start, commence, open, instigate, introductionâ) while he could have restricted himself technically to the Judaic use of the word âBaptismâ, instead of attempting to make an â all inclusiveâ presentation. Hinduism, Buddhism and Jainism and does not have Baptisms in the English sense of term âInitiationâ. John the Baptist in whose name the ceremony came to be known, who baptized Jesus âChristâ the baptismal rite is not the same as the initiation rites into Mysticism of Meditative and contemplative religions. There is a world of difference between âDikshaâ, a Hindu expression and âbaptismâ a Judaic one. Equating the Judaic meaning of initiation expressed in English, with Diksha in Sanskrit will give only a truncated meaning. May be the Hindu religion is âsyncreticâ but not Sanskrit -- the language, its grammer and vocabulary and their meanings are precise and exact ---unlike the ambiguous English language. Hence, Sanskrit is considered most qualified for AI or artificial intelligence applications. Revelatory religions as Christianity and Islam have ceremonies those terminologies are not to be equated with that process, beliefs, rites and philosophy of Hinduism, Buddhism (Hinayana, Mahayana, ZEN) and Jainism. {Alternatively, is it the part of the larger proselytizing efforts of âinculturisationâ? Where Christianity is trying to adopt and take over the symbols and practices of Hinduism? Like the ochre colour of Hindu Sanyasis adopted by missionary women instead of the traditional white skirts with European looks, a process that has been documented by missionaries themselves.} He argued, âThe imagery of a converter comes into play because of the initiation ceremony done via the pastor, purohit or maulaviâ .The roles and duties of Hindu purohits are prescribed for them in the Grihya sutras and by other sastras with references to the particular orientation; the agamas, they are trained in and to the deity; are not exactly the same, as that of the social agenda of the pastors. Further Hinduism does not thrive on proselytizing, unlike Christianity and Islam.

Hangs Kung, the fore most Christian Scholars and Catholic Theologian of Thubingen University Norway observed: âWe have failed, because we have regarded Europe as the center of the world and have thought ourselves superior to the other parts of the worldâ. 14 He classified the Religions of the world as follows 1) Religions of Semitic origin; they have Prophetic character, always begin from, contrast between god and human beings, and are predominantly involved in confrontation (â¦) 2) Religions of Indian origin; they are primarily supported by a basic mystical mood, tending towards unity, and are dominated by inwardness â¦ of Upanishads, Buddhism and Hinduism (â¦). 3) Religions of Chinese origin; they have wisdom stamp and are in principle characterized by harmony; Confucianism and Taoism (â¦). Hans Kung the catholic theologian coined the terminology âSemitic exclusivismâ, when he sought to differentiate between different religions of the worldâ. A revelatory religion does not believe in exhorting its follower to taking personal responsibility towards oneâs thought, word or deeds. These are secondary only to joining the community, the congregation, and the umma. The confrontational ideology was evident when a lone letter of Ramagopalan received three counters, representing Christian viewpoints.
(Proof The Chindu is christian)

Pastor Ebe sunder Raj has tried to give a superficial and simplistic interpretation of Hinduism to suit his needs âmillions of syncretic believers who believe in more than one faith who do not go through any initiationâ. He is optimistic when he stated, âour 200 million Dalits belong to this categoryâ The motive of Ebe is clearly scheming when he said our constitution is âwisely silentâ. This is precisely the âlacunaeâ pointed by Hindus, that is disadvantageous to them and that is exploited to the core by the Proselytizers.

The âyamaâ or âniyamaâ that a person has to adopt following the diksha by the âGuruswamiâ as in the sabarimala yatra are rigorous, unlike in revelatory religions. Infact two to six crore Hindus in south India alone, under go these intense spiritual exercises voluntarily every year, and not as portrayed by Ebe So the attempt by the pastor that there is no religion for the dalits is farce and that would have to be filled with deviatory interpretation. Some statistics: (2 crore visit Mookambika every year, 3 crore visit Dharmasthala, 3-4 crore visit Tirupathy, 3-4 crore visit Palani 2-6 crore visit Sabarimala). Even to visit a village deity before undertaking the journey, often done on foot, they have to observe the set of formal procedure and its own accompanying diksha rites, like every year millions of Hindus under take âpal kavadiâ to palani,â fire walkingâ and âflower showeringâ to hundreds of Maari Amman temples of Tamilnadu. Millions walk all the way to Thiruchendur Temple during Soorapada vadam. The rites prescribed for anchorites In Hinduism, Jainism and Buddhism are much tougher than that prescribed for a householder. The Upasanas themselves are graded in difficulty, from primary school to PhD levels. Accordingly diksha is given. What applies in one level does not apply at another level. What is apparently a paradox in one level is resolved in the next level, when we take into account that they are aimed at the ultimate spiritual need of the individual 13. The individual has extreme freedom to select his deity or Ishtadevata, or even an aspect unlike the â the onlyâ âmy godâ of Christianity. Ultimately one has to outgrow the dependence on deity. This in a vague way resembles the English saying âit is good to be born in a church but bad to die in itâ15

The âDikhshaâ is not initiation, as often translated into English. Each of the mystical, philosophical and yoga methods are distinct from each other, and profoundly deep. It is not an intellectual study, of theology, as in seminaries, but the transformation of the entire change of constitution of the human personality and its nadis, and the five vital sheaths. It is again highly technical. The kriya yoga of Paramahamsa Yogananda is so vastly different from the traditional and popular Patanjali school. The Sri Vidhya Upasana as depicted in the Lalitha Sahasranama is again technically different from that of the raja yoga school. As often very few get diksha into this; in the life of the Kanchi senior Sankaracharya, he never gave diksha to more than a handful of persons (single digit) in the Sri Vidhya in his entire 80 plus years of spiritual service.) Even Paramahamsa Yogananda used to compare the real diksha, to connecting to a million volts power line, even though he taught kriya yoga to a hundred thousand persons. âUttama Adikariâ or the âfitness-of-the-seekerâ is the criteria. The techniques change with the level and preparation of the seeker. The Zen masters and Jains talk about the right mental attitude and emptying the mind. While revelatory religions never speak of the disciplines related to mind. Their contents stop with prayer, confession, acceptance of the saviour etc this according to Hinduism is kindergarten school of religion. They are belief and dogma oriented. In addition, they do not have scientifically proven methods, to achieve higher states of consciousness. Even astronauts under go Yoga and Prananyama training to withstand the rigors of space travel. Yoga does not want any body to believe in anything. All of the eastern religions never speak of conversion in numerical terms, but speak of transforming the individual. They are against uprooting an individual from his family and culture moorings. While the ritualistic school necessitates the three Varnas to undergo the Dwija ceremony, so that one becomes eligible for performing the rites meant for a householder, the same is diksha into the effulgence of Gayathri, not in the English sense. For its inner meaning is opening the third eye or the inner spiritual eye. While diksha is given to all who opt for yogic training, whose inner self is much developed than the outside core, and are willing to under go the rigors of Tapasya and austerities. Valmiki the author of Ramayana was hunter, who was given diksha into Rama Nama, that he could produce a magnum opus. Hanuman was received diksha into Rama Nama from Naradha Muni. Ramana Maharishi in our own times advocated self enquiry or âwho am Iâ, as the mantra, when he was a youth of 17 years. Among thousands of people who visited him, only Paul Brunton, who was in turn advised by Kanchi Sankaracharya in 1930s, to approach Ramana, for gaining insight into the ultimate-16 which in fact he realized. The Shankaracharya did not directly advice Paul Brunton; shows how complex indeed are human nature and how the path varies for every individual.

On the one end of the spectrum, it is qualified by rigidity and on the other end, extreme liberty. The higher a person goes up in the spiritual ladder, the more rigid are the controls16. The higher a person goes the less dogmatic he/she becomes17. Finally, diksha is not joining an organization, paying subscription, attending its ceremonies, but connecting oneself to onesâ roots.18 Yoga means seeking tracing the origin of oneself and connecting to it within oneself, not in any reveled dogma or son hood of god, not getting into formal organization and subscribing to its theology19. Yoga in Hinduism including the so-called âidolatryâ is only a tool to help in the concentration 20. While the other religionists are even bigger idolaters trapped by their organizations, the kitab, the ideologies of collective thinking and living. That is why the Hindus laugh at others, when pastors are pointing their fingers at them for, âsyncretismâ and as âidolatrousâ.

Pastor Ebe, challenged Ramagopalan: âMr. Rama Gopalan will do well to document ten cases of a Dalit or tribal embracing the Christian faith, on force or fraud as convicted by a court of law in the last 50 years any where in India. A thousand repetitions do not convert false allegations into truthâ

Unlike Christian missionaries, Hindus have nothing to protect and hence do not pay much importance to document development. Further, in rejoinder we are going to see documented, well-documented evidence against the pastor that pastor Ebe had invited. They say one picture is equal to 100 words.â Ebe said, âA thousand repetitions do not convert false allegations into truthâ. I would like to add a new dimension; âone testimony is equal to 100 convictions.

The testimony of Rev. Dr. Verrier Elwin

Verrier Elwin reported: â In Madala, 1944: the situation has grown serious here, for the fathers of apostolic prefecture Jabalpur are proselytizing on an unprecedented scale, and on methods that would have been considered disgraceful in the middle ages â¦.The missionaries usurp the functions of Government officials, try to interfere in the work of the Courts and the business of local officials and gave the Gonds (a tribe) the impression that they are the real Sirkar (local government authorities) and the fathers finally have an extensive money lending business and that is one of the most effective means of bringing aboriginals under their control and forcing them into the church. â[Niyogi committee Report, July 1956, Volume 1.pp 107 â157 &Volume 2, Part B, p.61.] 21

New harvest of Faith

Is money lending it ethical Mr Ebe and is it the permitted method of proselytizing? Well, you may have to produce enough evidence to disprove that missionaries are not adopting this method of money lending at present, contrarily enough evidence that they are engaged in large-scale money lending business even now, is available. Many are engaged in lucrative real estate business. âOne of the dropouts of a famous missionary college in Bangalore confessed that he mainly dropped out because the priest in charge of his group was having extensive money lending business and having at least a dozen bank accountsâ. (Roman Catholic Case no 291 Recorded, August 20th 2001). Another case of a Vedic Brahmin was literally purchased for Rs eight lakhs his debts up to three lakhs was cleared by a missionary (North American evangelicals Case no 486 Recorded, July24th 1995) and he was provided a modern house, and guaranteed free education to his children, on stipulated conditions, that he with wife and two children are converted to Christianity, that his duty would be to preach their version of Christianity using Vedas as reference text. He is very much in business twisting and distorting the Hindu scriptures to suit the missionary agenda. Last, I found him preaching a blatant lie that âthe Gayathri Mantra refers to the Yeshiva and that Jesus completes the Vedasâ. While the truth is, that Hinduism had achieved its present shape at least 1000 years before the arrival Clement of Alexandria a Greek theologian and missionary (circa 150-235 AD). The imperial design of Christianity started with 428-431 AD, when Nestorian the bishop of Constantinople demanded the fanatic emperor Theodosius. âGive Oâ, Caesar, the earth plunged of heretics, and I will give you in exchange the kingdom of heaven. Join me and exterminate the heretics and with you I shall exterminate the Persiansâ Within no time no pagans were left. Hundreds and thousands were burnt at stake. {See Paul Johnson, A History of Christianity, Penguin. 1973.} 22

In a lecture delivered in the late 1880s Sir Richard Temple a (governor of three provinces) said: âIndia is like a mighty bastion, which is being battered by heavy artillery. We have given it blow after blow and effect is not remarkable: but at last with a crash the heathen religions of India will come toppling down, and it is our hope that some day the heathen religions of India will in like manner succumbâ. Richard temple, Oriental experience, essays and addresses delivered on various occasions, John Murray, London 1883, pp. 155, 165 and 142. 23. This is the great ambition of missionaries, then and now. However, the Great Britain crumbled before the half naked fakir, and before the dream of Richard temple could be realized.

Further Dr. Ebe, has not cared to explain the churchmenâs polemics when he hailed that âmillions of syncretic believersâ. Perhaps the utterance is a shade better than kafir used in Islam. Syncretism is a churchmanâs choicest epithet used to explain away the Hindusâ belief of treating all religions as reflections of the same truth and very often used nastily against Hinduism by the colonial missionaries, to explain the âexcusive nature of Christianityâ and its superiority over other religions, about which progressive theologians like Hans kung, Dr. Herman H. Somers Edward Schillebeeckx and Jesuit Professor Vermeersch are critical.24

To a Swiss professor Rahm who was bewildered by many warring creeds Gandhi said, on 10 May 1936: âit depends on Christians, if only they would make up their minds to unite with the others! But, they will not do so. Their solution is universal acceptance of Christianity as they believe it.â25 (All annotated refernces are duly acknowledged)

Psychology of Conversions

Professor William James has written a whole chapter on Religious Conversions, in his classic book on psychology, âVariety of Religious Experiencesâ16. He classified religious experiences, into various categories, and differentiated between genuine conversions and counterfeit conversions. A whole range of literature is available on the psychology of conversions. The religious conversion cannot become an object of âchoiceâ that could be picked up in a supermarket shelf from varieties of toothpaste. Spiritual conversions are few and far in-between that happen to one in a million or even billion individuals. Genuine Spiritual conversions (not just religious conversions) like what happened to young Siddhartha, St. Paul on the road to Damascus (whose conversion has since been debated by theologians-researchers and psychiatrists like Dr Herman H. Somers 1986. It has since been traced to a heat stroke) Teresa of Avila, Ramakrishna and Naraendranath, (Vivekananda) (quoted by William James) 16 and we can include Mahatma Gandhi17. In all the cases of higher religious conversions the person tends become more Magnanimous and Universal, and less superstitious and fanatical and he /she has out grown the religion in to which he or she was born into.18

While forcible religious conversions, and human interventions on the contrary, tend to develop hatred and animosity towards others18. The individual tends to become more rigid, dogmatically attached to forms, rites, rituals and books and lesser to inward development and acquires an arrogant air of superiority.19 (Sigmund Freud has studied the hatred of converts toward their mother religions See Sigmund Freud: Der Mann Moses und die Monotheistische Religion: Der Abhandkungen (1939), republished by Penguin Freud Library Volume 13. Vintage books, 1939, pp.117-117) 20

Professor Samuel Reimarus (1694- 1768) a professor of oriental languages, of the University of Hamburg Germany, set the ball rolling when he wrote in secret, some 4000 pages, of Higher criticism of the Bible, which was posthumously published by his friend Ephraim lessing seven years after his demise. Lessing also published the last piece of the writing âThe Aims of Jesus and his disciplesâ in 1778 21.

The first real psychopathological study of Jesus Christ as undertaken separately by three psychiatrists: W. Hirsch, Ch. Binet Sangleâ and G. L de Loosten. After examination of the Gospels, they independently reached the same conclusion. That Jesus was mentally ill and suffered from paranoia. 118. (See laâ folie de Jesus in French) Meaning âJesusâ Madnessâ, Paris 1908-1912; W. Hirsch: Religion and Civilisation, Munchen 1910: G.L de loosen: Christus Vom Standpunkt des psychiaters (German; Jesus Christ the psychiatrist point of View Bamburg 1905.) 22

Edward Schillebeeckx a well-known Contemporary progressive theologian ascribes the gospel stories to the imaginations of primitive Church, which wanted to glorify Jesus Christ23. Another ex Jesuit professor Vermeersch said âIf these Bible stories are only stories, do you think that common faithful will remain Christians if they are told about these mere âstoriesâ? The crux of the Christian faith is precisely that God has intervened in history, by sacrificing his only begotten son and resurrecting him. Then the Christian myth is at best of the same order as all pagan myths and Christianity must forsake its claims to uniqueness and finality.â24

No Hindu Buddhist, Sikh, Muslim or Jew has had the least objection to Christians having their beliefs and look for salvation through Jesus (Ebe Sunder Raj the minister), nor do they bother about the dogmas as long as Christians keep it to themselves. It is only when they impose their beliefs trouble starts. When aggressive ministers impose their dogmas on unwilling Hindus, Buddhists, Jains, Sikhs and Jews they are forced to register a protest and take closer look at the History of Christianity. 25

Dr Herman H. Somers born on October 3rd 1921 studied at catholic University at Leuven and at Rome. MA in philosophy, PhD in Theology and PhD in Psychology and PhD in classical philology; was in the Jesuit order for 40 years, and led the Jesuit News paper De linie, studied the Bible with the eye of a scientist. He developed serious doubts about the divine origins of the bible and its authors. In 1986, he published the Book Jesus De Messiahs: Was het Christendom een Vergissing? Wrote it inDutch. EOP, Antwerp. (English âJesus the Messiah was Christianity a Mistake?). In 1990 he published a very detailed work on his analysis of Old Testament Prophets titled; Toen God Sliep, Schreef De Mens De Bijbel, De Bijbel Belicht door een Psychloog (When God Slept, man wrote the Bible. The Bible explained by a Psychologist Faucet publishers Antwerp 1990) He has also written on the Jesuit order, A psychological study of Mohammed, and a study of Christian fundamentalist groups like Jehovahâs witness26.

He developed serious doubts and left the order. His studies deal with the psychology Prophetism of and Old Testament in the light of mental health. None of these books have made way into Indian bookstores.27

The church in India is jealous to guard its laity and clergy from coming anywhere near those research findings. The churches in Europe have long since forsaken that logic. The historicity and contradictions abounds within in the bible and Christianity has been brought to light28. The most recent findings of Dead Sea scroll little of which is known in Asian countries

Higher criticism

These Critical Biblical studies have revealed, that the accounts narrated in the Gospels contradict each other and contains innumerable interpolations. The missionaries often use the following quote âgo and preach to all nationsâ, is an interpolation. Most editions of the Bibles being published in western countries, faithfully document it in the footnote, but none of those Bibles being published and handed-out in India carry this footnote. The words âGood Newsâ in the New Testament also has been shown to be an interpolation. It is now widely known that Mark 16.9-20 was added at a future date. The original one stops at 16.8 in all the ancient manuscripts.

Starting Discovery

Professor Morton Smith of Colombia University while he stayed in a monastery in Jerusalem in 1958 discovered startling correspondence between Clement of Alexandria, a Greek theologian and missionary (ca 150 â235 AD) and one Theodore. The most glaring case of expunction came to light as to what happened to the passages after Mark: 10.46, what happens to Jesus after he arrived in Jericho? With this discovery, the centuries old riddle was resolved. It is too sensitive to be mentioned in a newspaper article. See: Professor Morton Smith Clement of Alexandria and the Secret Gospel of Mark, Harvard University, 1973. USA.

Mr. N. DHARMESHWARAN [The Hindu: Thursday, August 30, 2001] reacted to Ramagopalan. âMr Ramgopalan has put up a spirited rebuttal; the lacuna is that it is totally legalisticâ (...) The reason he stated that âwhile religions provide spiritual sustenance, people also need (â¦) material support, education, heath care etc, in this area Hinduism lags way behindâ. That âHinduism lags way behind in charityâ, and that it could not match the others charity; is it reason enough to justify evangelical poaching, and to defy and negate the Indian Supreme courts Judgment? 29

Dharmeshwaran implored Ramgopalan âto improve matters.â Further he added, âthat the apex court has not only struck at forcible conversions, not at the right to propagate which is to spread oneâs own religion â¦ or proselytize; otherwise of what use is this rightâ 30. The writer did not draw the fine distinction between forcible conversions, and voluntary conversions. He was keener to defend the Christian missionaries right to convert, because they are numerically more in service, as compared to the paucity of Hinduism; which itself is a fallacy, as we are going to examine in detail. He did not refute the point of Rama Gopalan that illegal conversions are not occurring.

He probably does not know that, the Janatha regime 1977-78, made an attempt in the rightful direction to segregate between genuine conversions and forcible conversions, however, Powerful missionary lobby, thwarted this effort. He also presumably did not see any connection between Article 25 which âstates that Freedom of conscience and free âprofessingâ âpracticeâ and âpropagationâ of religion is directly linked with the following clause 1) â subject to public order morality (â¦) and, clause 2). âNothing in this article shall affect the operation of any law or prevent the state from making any law: a) regulating or restricting economic, financial, political or other secular activity which may be associated with religious practice (â¦) â. The right to profess practise and propagate religion is not absolute. These rights are subject to âpublic order, morality and healthâ (â¦) when this was violated, the state had to invade the Golden temple, when it was used as âfortress-golden-templeâ by Sikh extremists. 31

The clause 2 b emphatically states that the freedom of conscience to profess, practise and propagate does not come in the way of âthe state providing for social welfare or reformâ. Not only article 44 directs the state to formulate a common civil code for all citizens, the clause 2b of article 25 give the complete authority to the state to ensure â social welfare and reformâ. (Shah Bano case, regardless of the out come of the case, the state did attempt to provide alimony rights and welfare for the aged divorcee) 33

Legal Discrimination

ARTICLE 29

âArticle 29 says that every minority has the right to protect its religion, language, script and culture. Article 30 says that every minority group has the right to establish and run educational institutions of its choice.â34

âUnder Article 30 of the Constitution, minorities have the most precious right of running educational institutions in accordance with their own cultures and values, but Hindus have been denied this right. This discrimination means that the Indian State is more liberal in helping propagation of alien cultures than the promotion of Hindu culture. You cannot find such a perverse provision in the constitution of any independent nation of the world.â35

ARTICLE 30

Article 30 of the Constitution lays down that the minorities can set up government-sponsored denominational schools, implying their right to a communal bias in recruitment of teachers and students and a religion-centered curriculum. When the Constitutional Assembly voted this article, many delegates probably assumed that the extension of the same rights to the Hindu majority was self-understood; but in practice, this right is denied to the Hindus.36

In 1980, when the Ramakrishna Mission deemed it necessary to declare itself a non-Hindu minority (a self-definition challenged in court by its own members and finally struck down by the Supreme Court in 1995) in order to prevent the Communist West Bengal government from nationalizing its schools. 37

Likewise for the Sikhs, the Lingayats, even the Hare Krishnas, who have all come to profess: âWe are not Hindusâ. The ultimate Supreme Court ruling surprisingly did give an assurance of protection against state interference to the R.K. Mission schools, on grounds not of Article 30 but of the recognition of special privileges for the R.K. Mission under an old Bengal state law. At any rate, Article 30 constitutes a very serious discrimination on grounds of religion, and is in conflict with the professed secular character of the Indian Republic.37

K. R. Malkani says: âOther private schools and colleges have to reserve teaching and non-teaching jobs for SC-ST-OBCs, but minority institutions can appoint whomsoever the like. â¦Private schools have to get prior permission of the Chief Educational Officer for appointing outsiders to higher posts; minority institutions do not have to follow this ruleâ¦ the Department can withdraw recognition for violation of rules. However, authorities cannot withdraw recognition from a minority institution.38

However serious the violation of rulesâ¦ while the Hindu institutions [have] no fundamental right to compensation in case of compulsory acquisition of their property by the state, a minority educational institution shall have the fundamental right to compensation. In Malkaniâs view, âa lasting solution to this problem lies only in amending Article 30 of the Constitution, giving the right to establish and administer educational institutions of their choice to all religious denominations and not only to the minorities.â39

The combative CPM Government in West Bengal did go out of its way to harass the Ramakrishna Mission schools, but most Congress Governments never did anything of the kind. And sometimes, attempts are made to take control of minority institutions as well, for example in 1992, the Tamil Nadu Assembly passed the Recognised Private Schools (Regulation) Amendments Bill and Recognized Private Colleges (Regulation) Amendments Bill, empowering the state government to exercise some control over the private schools and colleges: âThe Bills are strongly supported by the unions of university, college and school teachers and other staff. But they are equally strongly opposed by Christian and Muslim school and college managements.â 40

So, in practice, the discrimination against Hindus in education is limited. Nonetheless, it remains unjust that it is on the statue book, even if it were not actually implemented anywhere. Thomas Abraham from Madras, writes: âLet the Hindus also be given the same right as any other minority to run educational institutions, protect their language, etc. That is to say, the ambit of Article 30 in our Constitution should be changed. The state must be debarred from regulating, supervising or interfering in any way with the administration and practices followed in Hindu temples. Educational institutions run by Hindus will be free to propagate and preach Hinduism with the same constitutional protection now afforded to the minority religions.â What he proposes is simply the extension of the special rights enjoyed by the minorities to the Hindu majority. â41

On the crucial issue of Article 30, a very official form of support has come from very unexpected quarters: Syed Shahabuddin, who introduced âThe Constitution (Amendment of Article 30) Billâ in the Lok Sabha, 1995. As already discussed, Article 30 discriminates against the Hindu majority by laying down the following provision: âall minorities, whether based on religion or language, shall have the right to establish and administer educational institutions of their choice.â This means that minorities can establish state-subsidized schools where they have a free hand in conducting religion-based curricular, admission and recruitment policies, but the majority cannot. Shahabuddin wants to change all that. The central part of the amended version of Article 30 would read like this, as per Shahabuddinâs bill: âAny section of the citizens residing in the territory of India or any part thereof, professing a distinct religion or having a distinct language, script or culture of its own or forming a distinct social group shall have the right to establish and administer educational institutions of its choice.â This is Shahabuddinâs statement of objects and reasons.42

âBy judicial interpretation, the term âminorityâ has been extended to include identifiable social groups which form a minority in the population of a State even if they form a majority in the Union as a wholeâ¦ In a vast and complex plural society, almost every identifiable group, whether identifiable by religion, including denomination or sect, or by language, including dialects, forms a minority at some operational or functional levels, even if it forms a majority at some other levels. In the age of ethnicity that has dawned in the world, all identifiable groups are equally anxious to maintain their identity and they too wish to have the privilege of the right to establish educational institutions of their choiceâ¦ The aspiration for conserving and communicating religious and cultural traditions and language to succeeding generations is legitimate and applies to all groups, big or small. It is, therefore, felt that the scope of article 30 of the Constitution should be widened to include all communities and all sections of citizens who form a distinct social group at any level. Of late, Article 30 has been criticized as bestowing a privilege on the minority communities, which the majority community does not enjoy. The majority community or any section thereof should also be allowed to establish and administer educational institutions of its choice, if it so desire.43

âHence this Bill.

âNew Delhi, April 20, 1995.

âSyed Shahabuddinâ

Like so many Private Bills, Shahabuddinâs Bill never made it to the voting stage, but it showed how he is aware of the mobilizing potential of the Article 30 issue. Apparently, he wanted to defuse it before the BJP would acquire the acumen to perceive and exploit this potential.â44

ARTICLE 370

Another de facto discrimination, though no religious denomination mentioned by Hindus, exists in the articles giving a special status to the Muslim-majority state of Jammu & Kashmir and the Christian-majority states of Mizoram and Nagaland.â 45

âConversion in the constitution: âthe constitution also contains several provisions which do not formally discriminate, but which are disadvantageous to the Hindus in practice. One sore point is the rights to convert, which in theory also protects the rights of rights of Hindus to convert non-Hindus to Hinduism, but was in fact enacted (overruling Hindu opposition to protect the rights of Christian missionaries to convert Hindus to Christianityâ 46 Even Hindu minors are not protected under the constitution. True that the right to propagate applies to all religion, yet it is a competition among in equals. 47

Discrimination in the constitution: Article 29 and 30

According to this article minorities can set up schools, etc implying the right to have a communal bias in teachers selections, promotions and students and also a religious curriculum. But in practice this right is denied to Hindus. Article 30 constitutes a serious ground for discriminating against the Hindus. The state of India could be sued in the international court of justice, for meting out this injustice. 48

The article 29â protects the interests of minorities: religion, language and script âis and article 30 Right of minorities to establish and administer educational institutions â¦of their choice.â What are the characteristics of a minority institution? Controversies have centered on Articles 26, 29, and 30. These articles focus at different citizen groups. Article 26 guarantees rights to all citizens. While article 30 is specific about minority rights: whether based on religions or language. In addition, it gives âall minorities ââ¦ the right to set up religious institutions. Could it be that only religious minorities are permitted and not linguistic minorities? Article 30 has been interpreted to provide âan absolute rightâ for the minority institutions. Many Hindu institutions like Ramakrishna mission, Brahma Samaj have declared them as minorities, Hare Krishnaâs, in order to take coverage, under this article 30. The article states: â the state shall not, in granting aid to educational institutions, discriminate against any educational institutions on the ground that it is under the management of a minority whether based on religion or languageâ. Private (non minority) reserve posts for teaching and non-teaching jobs to BCs, OBCS, SCS and STS. Nevertheless, minority institutions are free to appoint the persons of their choice.49

This has put these institutions well beyond supervision and control. This is major lacuna in the constitution itself, a sore spot, and grievance for the Hindus, and gives opportunity for others to jibe at, that âthe Hindus are less charitableâ, Ludicrous. The articles 26, 29 and 30 have to be examined and re written, in order to ensure equal rights guaranteed under the constitution be covered to all Indian citizens. âThe state should support only secular, non-religious, non-denominational institutions. All educational institutions must be recognized to be on par and no favorable treatment meted to any body.â Last but not the least, the exercise of rights under all articles in this section of the constitution must be subject to the domain of public national interest of the constitution. âOne cannot expect the Hindus to run marathon race with both foot bound,â much to the chagrin of Hindus. Hindus should seek to remedy the disadvantage. They are pushed into the pit to compete against unequal competitors with rules of the game favoring the other side. Mr. Syed Shahbhuddin, did in fact recognize the problem faced by Hindus and made an attempt. He moved a private membersâ bill in the parliament to amend the constitution suitably. (20 April, 1995). It never made it to the voting stage. Mr. M. M.Beg, Chairman of minoritiesâ commission recommended todisband the minoritiesâ commission. Justice Muhammad Currimbhoy Chagla wrote in his autobiography (1973): âI have often strongly disagreed with governmental policy of constantly harping upon minority status and minority rights. It comes in the way of national unity and emphasis the differences between the majority and minority. Of course, it may serve well as a vote catching device to win Muslim votes (also Christian) but I do not believe in sacrificing national interests in order to get temporary party benefits. Although the directive principles of state enjoin a uniform civil code, the government has refused to anything about it, on the plea that minorities will resent any attempt at imposition.â 50 (References 31 to 50 from K. Elst Decolonizing the Hindu Mind.) (All annotated refernces are duly acknowledged)

âWho is lagging behind in charity?â

Who said that the Hindus âare lagging way behind in charityâ? (N. Dharmeshwaran (The Hindu dated August 30th); this is a grandmas story. The information has to be updated. May be, Christians have an edge in having more number of institutions. Ever since the Ramakrishna Mission started its service activities 100 years ago now, innumerable Hindu Institutions have come up not only in India, but in other countries as well. May be organizationally and funds wise Christian institutions have an edge. Nevertheless, in India, qualitatively Hindu Institutions are far ahead of Christian Institutions. They are up to date in terms of the range of services and the state of art facilities. Mother Theresa herself never under went any treatment in her destitute hospitals. When she was ill she was admitted to hospitals best equipped--where the best care was available--the BM Birla Heart research center--a Hindu charitable hospital. She never was admitted to her own institutions. 68

I was amazed when I visited Dharmastala (Karnataka state) where an estimated 25000 people are fed at the Manjunathaswamy temple free of cost. Each pilgrim can avail this for a minimum of three days. This works to almost a staggering figure of, 10000000 pilgrims every year, 1% of Indian population; this act of Dharma is happening day in day out without governmental support or international Aid for the last several centuries. Other temples too have similar arrangements, for pilgrims, like Mantralayam, Mookambika, and Tirupathi etc. so what is seen here is but remnants of what it was like earlier, only a glimpse of the glorious past. So charity is nothing new and foreign that Hindus have to take lessons from missionaries. The Sikh langars (kitchens) in Gurudwaras in India and else where, offer âdalâ, ârotiâ, and âsweetâ to devotees 24 hours a day, 7 days a week and 365 days a year. The Kala Kambli Wala Baba Ashrams, though in a decaying state, after a century or so of existence, still provide blankets, against bitter cold; accommodation and food for over night pilgrims, in the entire Himalayan belt. So is charity foreign to India that missionaries have to teach Hindus A..B..Câ¦ of it?

The Dharmastala Temple, in Karnataka provides free food for an average of 25000 devotees every day. This has been going on for the past hundreds of years. This figures add up to approximately

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2. http://christianaggression.com/item_displa...S&id=1068707969
QUOTEWriting in The Statesman (March 12, 1999), Mr B P Saha made the point that "growing enlightenment has been provoking them (tribals) to dislike conversion and look askance at the foreign missionaries, the so-called benefactors".

Attempts at conversion should be considered a mortal assault on local cultures and should be totally banned. Conversions are forbidden by law in China. Here we take a lenient view of conversion and Christian bodies have been taking advantage of the Hindu sense of tolerance. According to Mr Jon Stock, New Delhi correspondent of the British paper The Daily Telegraph, "put simply, the Indian subcontinent has become the principal target for a wide range of western Christian missions which are determined to spread the gospel to India's 'unreached' people before the year 2000".

Writing in The Spectator, Mr Stock says: "There is little doubt that the current communal tension in India would not be serious if foreign-funded missionaries had been content with giving Indians the choice of Christianity and left it at that."

According to Mr Stock, "hundreds of thousands of dollars are being channelled into India through well-organised, America-based evangelical missions", the meticulously researched ethnographic data they are compiling on the region ensuring that funds are being directed "with military precision to the right area, even to specific pin codes in remote tribal districts".

Mr Stock quoted a statement from a Colorado-based Group of World- wide Christian Missions calling itself AD 2000 and Beyond as saying: " 'Flashes of light' seen all around the North India-Hindu belt, particularly among the tribal groups, are encouraging us to believe that the Sum of Righteousness is indeed ready to rise upon these unreached peoples."

Violence Justified

AD 2000 and Beyond described Varanasi, Hinduism's holiest city as full of temples dedicated to Shiva "an idol whose symbol is a phallus", and as a city whom many (?) consider the "very seat of Satan". One Rev R V Paricha has been described (Observer, March 24, 1999) as having authored a plan, on behalf of 94 Christian organisations, to target Orissa for conversion efforts, on the grounds that the caste structure of Orissa lacks the polarisation of the high-and-low caste characteristics of South India.

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drummasala November 25th, 2008 at 11:11 pm

So this is SECULARISM.

timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Cities/YSR_son_rises_so_does_his_son-in-law/articleshow/3757616.cms

Is there no resistance from Hindus in Andhra against this one? Can somebody from Andhra throw some inputs here? There are no organizations there to counter this?

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Vivek November 26th, 2008 at 4:45 am

Some inputs on Andhra Situation. The situation has been like this or should I say has been deteriorating for last 4.5 years now. The attempted sale of 5 out of 7 hills of Sri Venkateswara Swamy in Tirumala was the first major assault. Then TTD charimanâs replacement. Karunakara Reddy, the current chief is rumored to be the illegal product of Y.Samuel Rajasekhara Reddyâs night duty!! Then came SVBC channel - Sri Venkateswara Bhakti Channel. Samuel uses this channel as a promotion plank for the coming elections. Every thing is free in AP now on paper. Some farmers do get these benefits, but most of these benefits are garnered by the top level of congress. The fight with K.A.Paul. Rumour has it that K.A.Paul asked for complete control of evangelical activities in AP. Samuel denied that because his son-in-law Anil Kumar has been in the same business through Anil World Evangelism.The fight ended up mis-appropriation of funds by K.A.Paul, which has been happening for a long time but was caught on the occasion of rivalry with Samuel. Now, Samuel sees a great business oppurtunity in evangelical activity. With first batch of 51 Indian christians getting to go to Jerusalem with a govt subsidy of Rs.20,000 per head, the business seems to be thriving. Out of 72 crores that is garnenered by AP govt through Endowments Ministry, which has no claim on churches or mosques or gurdwaras, but only on Hindu Temples, only 6 crores is spent on maintaining temples, rest is spent on Haj, building new Churches etc. Special cell has been set up for financing the Jerusalem trip and to take care of financing christian institutions.

The problem is that no body can do anything. The opposition is so confused that it cant take up the hindu cause because it fears loosing minority votes. PRP is still not clear as to what to talk in front of people. Further down the time line in my view, the segregation will become so deep and unrepairable that the whole AP will face strange situations with disintegration based on caste, religion and even telangana-andhra divide!!!
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Vivek November 26th, 2008 at 4:55 am

Stil in these dire straits, we see Swamijis like Swami Vishwesha Theertha of Pejawar Matha, giving out statements like this. Sitting around with Mangalore Catholic Diocese Danis Moras Prabhu during a seminar on Tuesday, he questioned BJPâs commitment to people. Question BJP - fine. But why do these Swamijis, just to prove their secular fabric, statements like this.

The seer urged the Government to reconsider its stand on the mega-project. âI am with your struggle till the end,â he declared amid rousing applause from a large gathering of anti-SEZ activists who were attending a seminar on Development of coastal districts, organised by the Nagarika Seva Trust, Guruvayankere, on Tuesday

In Andhra, the seers are not united. They wont unite. They wont condemn these dastardly acts by govt. The whole of Karnataka-Andhra-TamilNad belt is like this. Sure I accept that the Pejawar Swamiji is against SEZs but has he done his research? BJP declared that it will adopt Gujarat model of SEZs in Karnataka. Has the Pejawar swamiji seen what Gujarat is today. Such statements by respected people like him will only dampen the chances of BJP in coming general elections. If at all you are so concerned, then go and talk to the CM. He is always available for respectable people like him. Sort out the concerns there, why shout out in public, to damage the situation which is already grave!!!
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Vivek November 26th, 2008 at 4:55 am

ohh the link to Pejawar Swmiji article
http://www.hindu.com/2008/11/26/stories/...590600.htm

SK November 26th, 2008 at 6:06 am

Vivek , you provide the true picture of AP.
In fact on a visit to Tirumala , one can see neon crosses in the night while coming down from the hills. Moreover, Renigunta population continues to be increasingly Xâised.
Unfortunately, this will keep hapening as there is no scope of nationalist sentiment in Ap with secular antics of existing parties as well as PrP.
Shoud one say that may Lord Venkateswara help the people out of the Samuel-Kangi-Pee-aar-pee mess?

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Vivek November 26th, 2008 at 9:30 am

@Kumar,

If you think I am exaggerating, then you must look at various temples that have been robbed of the lands they possessed. Please visit this site http://www.savetemples.org/. Please look at the AP section for details. It is alarming, the rate at which the lands have moved into government hands for money and control. Not much or not even a single penny is for templesâ renovation. On the top of it, abuse to the pujaris from board members!! Pujaris get menial 250/- per month where as the board members who are generally politically associated with the congress get upto 2500/- per month. I see this happening in my hometown Rajahmundry itself!!! Not that TDP didnt have endowments dept., they did, but in congress regime the situation got worser. In Mar 2006, TTD demolished the 1000 pillar temple in front of the Balaji Temple in Tirumala. No one can question this!! Doing a Yajna or yaga is just the decoration to cover up the work going on behind the screen!!! There have been attempts to bring in the famous Chilukuri Balaji (Visa Venkateswara Swamy) under TTD belt, fortunately, the preists could fight it off. The only reason YSR wants the hold on temples is for money. The concept itself is shrewd!! who is sitting there doing yagnas and yagas - YSR!!! So even if you talk of some spiritual help, who gets it YSR and not the state!! Who gets to do abhishekam to Bhadradri Ramachandra on Ramanavami - YSR. Why? because he is the chief minister and endowments minsitry controls the temple!!! If the temple were not under emdowments, then this could have been avoided. Chilukuri Balaji Temple board should be appluaded for their efforts. No beneficiary darshans, no VIP passes, only one queue. Stand in queue or get lost!!! This is the only way devotees should be treated in temples. Endowments minsitry wants money, so Samuel can use it for his personal purposes. The situation cant be any bad. Yes, he is playing a very important card for next 5 years of power. He has good chance of success, yes!! But if he does, then in my view we should start getting used to Casinos on 7 hills, Church of Tirumala, Sacred hill of the Virgin Mary and many more dasterdly ideas!!!

And for voters list, S in YSR might mean Sanditi but we should remember that he left it that way for garnering Reddy votes. After he converted to Christianity Sanditi became Samuel!!!

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QUOTE(Bodhi @ Nov 29 2008, 10:53 PM)Someone (dhu/acharya/husky...?) had once posted about vatican IP traced to a large number of edits in wackypedia.Â Searched, not found.Â Can you please post that again?
[right][snapback]91101[/snapback][/right]It wasn't me Bodhi. I don't generally visit wikipedia except by accident.

I tried searching for it now as well, no dice. But here's an entertaining consolation prize posted by Aruni: WitSSel repeatedly told by Wiki caretakers not to edit his own Wiki page as it's simply not done.

~~Pandyan~~ · 11-30-2008, 07:29 AM

QUOTE(Bodhi @ Nov 29 2008, 01:23 PM)Someone (dhu/acharya/husky...?) had once posted about vatican IP traced to a large number of edits in wackypedia.Â Searched, not found.Â Can you please post that again?
[right][snapback]91101[/snapback][/right]


http://www.smh.com.au/news/Technology/CIA-...6857828993.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/norther...and/6949153.stm

Bodhi · 11-30-2008, 08:00 AM

thanks Pandyan & Husky.

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