Attack in Mumbai -2

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<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Kerala CM insults slain Major's dad<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Communist=terrorist.

Kerala CM is happy sleeping with Islamic terrorsit Madani but hey ho no body should call him stray dog.
LDF is Kerala CM's son-inlaws ???

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<b>Israel refutes Zaka's claims on Israeli deaths</b>

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Times Now this morning talking about Mumbai Police saying 5 terrorists gone back to Pakland, but Central agencies saying there were only 10 and dealt with (with 1 survivor, of course). Anything more on that?

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By RAMOLA TALWAR BADAM – 1 hour ago

MUMBAI, India (AP) — India picked up intelligence in recent months that Pakistan-based terrorists were plotting attacks against Mumbai targets, an official said Tuesday, as the government demanded that Islamabad hand over suspected terrorists believed living in Pakistan.

A list of about 20 people — including India's most-wanted man — was submitted to Pakistan's high commissioner to India on Monday night, said India's foreign minister, Pranab Mukherjee.

India has already demanded Pakistan take "strong action" against those responsible for the attacks, and the U.S. has pressured Islamabad to cooperate in the investigation. America's chief diplomat, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, will visit India on Wednesday.

The Indian government faces widespread accusations of security and intelligence failures after suspected Muslim militants carried out a three-day attack across India's financial capital, killing 172 people and wounding 239.

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<!--QuoteBegin-k.ram+Dec 2 2008, 09:16 PM-->QUOTE(k.ram @ Dec 2 2008, 09:16 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Times Now this morning talking about Mumbai Police saying 5 terrorists gone back to Pakland, but Central agencies saying there were only 10 and dealt with (with 1 survivor, of course). Anything more on that?
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Yesterday rightwing radio shows were saying same, 7-10 terrorist escaped.

During S. Navy command press conference, officer said that Mumbai Police did no verification of people escaping Hotels.
Either Mumbai Police went into comma or they were in payrol of sponsor of this terror attack. Whatever Mumbai police turned out to be junk.
They are good for collecting hafta from Vegetable shops or street vendors. Pass share of collected money to Babus.

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<b>Rift opens up between Pak Army, government in wake of Mumbai attacks</b><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Islamabad, Dec.2 : A rift has opened up between the Pakistani Government and the army in the wake of the Mumbai attacks.

"The Mumbai attacks seem to have exacerbated civil-military tensions within Pakistan," the Telegraph quoted a STRATFOR analyst, as saying.

Both the Dawn and the Telegraph have reported that "clear differences in perception" have surfaced between army chief General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, President Asif Ali Zardar Zardari and Prime Minister Yusuf Raza Gilani.
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The distrust between the army and the government dates back to before the Mumbai attacks, as the two sides have disagreed over how to conduct the "war on terror' and reform the ISI.

<b>Pakistan has spent half of its existence under military rule and the latest dictator, General Pervez Musharraf, resigned as president in September after spending eight years in power.</b>

Gen Kayani has since announced the military's withdrawal from politics but it remains a strong influence on all major decisions ranging from foreign policy to the economy.

<b>A senior Pakistani army official was quoted by The News newspaper as saying that several Taliban militant leaders were "patriots" for offering to fight against India.</b>

The official was quoted as saying: "We have no big issues with the militants in Fata [the tribal area]. We have only some misunderstandings with Baitullah Mehsud and Fazlullah. These misunderstandings could be removed through dialogue."<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

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wow! I am impressed with Indian response to terrorism, its been so quick, clear and unambiguous, just like you expect out of a budding super power... NOT!.

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<!--QuoteBegin-k.ram+Dec 2 2008, 10:51 PM-->QUOTE(k.ram @ Dec 2 2008, 10:51 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->wow! I am impressed with Indian response to terrorism, its been so quick, clear and unambiguous, just like you expect out of a budding super power... NOT!.
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If things work out, I will be on Right wing radio this week, I am preparing my rant on Indian Government, Deepak Chopra and San Franicso Chatterjee crowd. <!--emo&--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Today Rush was on sick holiday, Minn guy was filling in, so I told them I am busy, I can chat on Thurs. If they call me again, I am ready for blast.
Rush - 23 million listner
Hannity - 20 million
Mark Levin - 20 million
Try calling these stations.

Expose Indian Govt, shame them in public, loud and clear.
Yesterday, Hannity gave good beating to Deepak Chopra on Fox.

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<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Navy Chief admits 'systematic failure' led to Mum terror attack</b>
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PTI | New Delhi
The Navy today admitted that it was a "systemic failure" on the part of the security and intelligence establishment that led to the terror attacks in Mumbai and that <b>lacunae did exist in India's coastal security and intelligence sharing mechanisms</b>.

It maintained that it did not receive any "actionable" input to effectively prevent the tragedy. Navy chief Admiral Sureesh Mehta told reporters here that it was "a systemic failure" on the part of the security and intelligence establishment that led to the terror strike and promised that the government would come up with an adequate response to the issues raised by the dastardly attacks that claimed over 180 lives and left another 300 wounded.
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"We have all seen it sitting in our drawing rooms. We are fully conscious of it and the debate. The point is it is a serious issue...A serious matter of security," he said.<b> Stating that exchange of information was an operational function, which went on at fairly regular intervals, the Navy chief called for effective coordination among the several agencies involved in intelligence gathering and security. "There are several agencies involved and coordination is important.

What is important is the information available should be actionable. It should have some specifics to it," </b>he said.
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<b>Only words, no action</b><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><i>Rajiv Dogra</i>
<b>The terrorists have succeeded beyond their wildest expectations. After the Prime Minister's bluster, the Government now appears to be at a loss as to how to pin down Pakistan. Meanwhile, the world is gaping at a toothless, spineless wonder called the UPA Government</b>  <!--emo&--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->

Once again the nation is mourning. But even in catharsis the form is ritualistic. There is much shaking of fists, pledges of firm action against the perpetrators of terror and a resolve to never let it happen again. Then as an expectant nation awaits the details of that resolve, there is deafening silence from the leadership. Their sullen mood having lasted for the duration of the terror attack, the focus shifts to other issues; the GDP growth, a flood somewhere or the next election.
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Mudy record if you will be there and post it on youtube. The audio.

[Shambhu]

I am happy with the response of the UPA. They could have taken it into their head to do something and that would have made matters much worse. Get BJP elected in 2009 with a massive majority, that is what Indian public needs to direct its pent up anger on.

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McCain opposes military action against TSP
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->nfluential US Senator John McCain today opposed India launching military strikes against Pakistan in the wake of Mumbai attacks saying there was "no hard evidence yet" for such action and he would tell Islamabad to cooperate in the probe.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
These dinosaurs are still stuck in the 80s Reagan-era US-Paki bhai-bhai nostalgia. No wonder the he lost so miserably.

[Pandyan]

What "hard evidence" was there for Iraq invasion. Old senile guy should be in retirement home playing bingo.

Anyway, it doesn't matter, its not like these impotents will launch any military action without madam's permission.

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Today Rush’s substitute opened programme making fun on Mcacin. He said McCain was so clueless or over confident, asked his wife Cindy to get most sleazy silk nightie for election result night, because you will be sleeping with future president of USA. After result came out when McCain went to bed, Cindy was sitting near pillow with confused expression. McCain asked her what happened, she said now I have to sleep with Obama, where he is.

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<!--QuoteBegin-Pandyan+Dec 3 2008, 01:09 AM-->QUOTE(Pandyan @ Dec 3 2008, 01:09 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Anyway, it doesn't matter, its not like these impotents will launch any military action without madam's permission.
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He will get himself admit in AIIMS for another prostrate operation.

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Here is another example of placing own family in cushy position and reward them for spying opposition party. Why his son-in-law is policing streets with lousy jackets and guns?

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Proud moment: Prime Minister Manmohan Singh with his son-in-law and<b> Joint Director of Intelligence Bureau Ashok Kumar Patnaik </b>after presenting the President’s Police Medal for distinguished service to him at the concluding session of the DGPs/IGPs Conference in New Delhi on Thursday.

From the very inception of the UPA government, Prime Minister Manmohan Singh has been facing music from the Left parties. <b>But now Singh will be not alone as his son-in-law, A.K. Patnaik, a 1983 batch IPS officer of Gujarat cadre</b>, will be there for company. Patnaik, who is married to Singh´s second daughter,<b> has joined the Home Ministry as a nodal officer to coordinate government efforts against widespread Left-wing extremism in the country. An expert on Left extremism, Patnaik´s advice to PM will indeed prove precious</b>

Shri A. K. Patnaik IPS/RR 22/12/1958(DOB) 07/01/1984 -1983 M. A. (Economics) (Orissa)

[ramana]

That IDSA in #527 shouldnt have opened her mouth to USA Toady. She will get misquoted or selectively quoted. And thats what happened. She is from a semi-govt of India instituton and she should know who pays her paycheck. No one will hear her rebuttal now.

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<!--QuoteBegin-ramana+Dec 3 2008, 02:14 AM-->QUOTE(ramana @ Dec 3 2008, 02:14 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->That IDSA in #527 shouldnt have opened her mouth to USA Toady. She will get misquoted or selectively quoted. And thats what happened. She is from a semi-govt of India instituton and she should know who pays her paycheck. No one will hear her rebuttal now.
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From PM to govt peon don't hesistate to comment on issue without thinking that they will get quoted.

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<b>Pak accepts terrorists may be from its territory : US</b>

<b>WASHINGTON : The terrorist massacre in Mumbai was plotted in Pakistan and was executed by Pakistanis, Indian and US officials now agree. The big question now : How culpable are the Pakistani government and its military and intelligence agency, and how can the answer be handled either way it turns out?</b>

That’s the tricky issue facing New Delhi and Washington as they put together pieces of the terrorist jigsaw to claimed 170-plus lives, including nearly 40 Muslims and nationals from 10 countries.

<b>US advice to India : wait and see how Pakistani government cooperates in the investigation before any punitive action. US directive to Islamabad: prove your protestations of innocence and non-complicity at the official level, with a full and transparent cooperation in the face of overwhelming evidence that the footprints of the terror attack lead back to Pakistan.</b>

This is the gist of the exchanges between the three countries. On Tuesday, Washington broadly accepted India’s contention, based on evidence now shared with US law enforcement and intelligence agencies that the terror trail led to Pakistan. The preponderance of proof include detailed confessions by the one surviving terrorist, GPS tracks, e-mail and electronic tracks, telephone intercepts, and ordnance and forensic evidence, among other things.

US acceptance of India’s case — dismissed out-of-hand as knee-jerk, premature etc — was signaled by an unnamed senior American official who was quoted by Reuters as saying ''There are a lot of reasons to think it might be a group, partially or wholly a group, that is located on Pakistan's territory.''

The official, accompanying Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice on her trip to the sub-continent, also said Islamabad had accepted the ''possibility that there might be people located on Pakistani territory,'' involved in the attack and had promised to cooperate in the investigation.

On record though, the state department continued to give Pakistan some breathing space, saying ''it’s too early to say where these attackers originated from — where they originated from, who was behind these attacks.'' The White House took the same line on Monday, enabling a relieved Pakistani press to crow that Islamabad had been declared innocent.

But every a cursory reading beyond the generalities indicate anything but a clean chit. ''The investigation will obviously point us in a certain direction. But we need to let the investigation take its course. Finger-pointing is not necessarily the best thing at this particular time,'' State Department spokesman Robert Wood said, while offering a dead giveaway to the origins by immediately adding, ''However, it’s incumbent upon Pakistan to do what it can to make sure that they’re cooperating with this investigation, and help bring these culprits to justice.''

The tricky problem both New Delhi and the international community faces is in determining the culpability of the Pakistani government and its extent — whether through over or covert complicity or through inaction and denial.

Intelligence circles say Pakistan’s government has always tried to maintain a ''plausible deniability'' in all its covert activity, including sponsorship of terrorism and nuclear proliferation. For instance, even in the AQ Khan case, Islamabad initially denied proliferation, then insisted Khan had gone rogue and done it on his own. Khan now says the government was very much in the loop and authorised it.

In the Mumbai terror strike, intelligence circles surmise that it is possible the ISI had ''outsourced'' the operation to a former controller now functioning as a LeT commander or operative, who may or may not have turned rogue. Since preparation for the strike is thought to have stretched a year or more, it was conceived well before the current civilian government took change, and it might have happened without its approval or knowledge.

But no one, including Pakistani experts, doubts that LeT is a creation of the ISI, whose officers are often seconded to the terror group. ''Lashkar-e-Taiba was fostered by ISI as a surrogate to help Mujaheddin by Kashmir...in recent years they have broken out of control from ISI,'' Shuja Nawaz, a thoughtful Pakistani scholar and brother of former Army chief Asif Nawaz Janjua, who has written a candid history of a militarized Pakistan titled ''Crossed Swords,'' said on public television on Monday, openly articulating what is said in hushed whispers in Pakistan.

Nawaz said the LeT is still operating in Pakistan, holding large meetings and collecting funds, and a true test of Islamabad’s commitment will be to act on it now. ''If there is any ambivalence (towards LeT), now is the time...there should be no reason not to act,'' he said.

But going by past record, chances are bleak that Pakistan will stick to any commitment on crackdown or cooperation particularly since the military still seems to call the shots in Islamabad. A study of past crises between the two sides compiled by the Washington-based Stimson Center elaborately chronicles Islamabad’s fudging and double-speak on the terrorism issue based on interviews with U.S officials.

In one chapter, the study relates how former military ruler Pervez Musharraf kept fudging the infiltration and terrorism issue by telling U.S Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage that ''nothing is happening'' across the Line of Control. Armitage, it says, insisted on a more than a present-tense commitment from Musharraf.

''General Musharraf also claimed that training camps for militants did not exist on Pakistani soil. Armitage shared with Musharraf evidence to the contrary,'' the study relates. Musharraf finally commits not to allow Pakistan and the territory under its control not to be used for terrorism. ''Was Musharraf’s pledge substantive or just expedient? ''the study asks, going to suggest that it was mostly the latter.

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