Attack in Mumbai -2

12-20-2008, 12:23 AM

QUOTEArundhati Roy on Mumbai Attacks
I am not reading.
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12-20-2008, 12:49 AM

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Â· DO YOU SHED TEARS FOR 200 PEOPLE MASSACRED IN COLD BLOOD AND 400 INJURED?
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12-20-2008, 12:51 AM

QUOTE(ramana @ Dec 18 2008, 11:47 PM)There are a lot of loose ends in the Mumbai Terrorist attack which are not being tied up. I hope there is an IB investigation going on. The curious thing is even with so much TV and media coverage there are big gaps.

can we list a few things that are not clear?

Thanks, ramana
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Do we know the final count of terrorists who landed in mumbai?

What's with Kuber? (fishing boat) Was it hijacked or was it also part of the plot?

ramana · 12-20-2008, 01:33 AM

QUOTE(k.ram @ Dec 19 2008, 07:21 PM)<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(ramana @ Dec 18 2008, 11:47 PM)There are a lot of loose ends in the Mumbai Terrorist attack which are not being tied up. I hope there is an IB investigation going on. The curious thing is even with so much TV and media coverage there are big gaps.

can we list a few things that are not clear?

Thanks, ramana
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Do we know the final count of terrorists who landed in mumbai?

What's with Kuber? (fishing boat) Was it hijacked or was it also part of the plot?
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Both. Let me explain. The boat master was a fisherman who was picked up twice in TSP waters. Most likely he was worked over/blackmailed by the ISI. He most likely rendezvoused with the Terrorist ship and thought all he had to do was provide passage to the dregs. They had a different agenda and killed the crew and made the master pilot them and then killed him. Its too coincidental that the master was in TSP waters recently.

Sorry for the poorman.

Also shows its a covert operation and not your everyday terrorist raid.

12-20-2008, 01:55 AM

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Either to scare of those who are working with Pakis in drug, Gold, CD, DVD and other nice smuggling using Sea route.
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Husky · (This post was last modified: 12-20-2008, 09:13 AM by Husky.)

QUOTE(G.Subramaniam @ Dec 19 2008, 07:53 AM)Mira Kamdar's relatives killed by Jihadists

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Besides Rushdie, the panellists included former Bernard Schwartz Fellow Mira Kamdar, who had lost her cousin and her cousin's husband in the Mumbai attacks,

Kamdar, who was seen fighting back her tears as she remembered her cousin, expressed the view that the terrorists attacked Taj as they wanted to do something spectacular and they did succeed in that.

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Mira Kamdar is the daughter of an NRI

She has called her father a fascist for hating muslims
who had assaulted him

She is of the south asian FOIL crowd
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QUOTE(G.Subramaniam @ Dec 19 2008, 09:49 AM)<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Pandyan @ Dec 19 2008, 08:13 AM)She seems gori. Probably half?
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Her mother is white
Her father is a gujurati
[right][snapback]91991[/snapback][/right]</div>"Kamdar, who was seen fighting back her tears as she remembered her cousin, expressed the view that the terrorists attacked Taj as they wanted to do something spectacular and they did succeed in that."

Oh puhlease, they were tears of joy: that some on the Hindoo side of her family had finally been offed, and without her having to do much to accomplish this herself (other than writing her christoislamic apologetics). Who buys her pretensions to familial sympathies? She's famous for having sold her own dad as a "fascist" in her tabloid-worthy write-up, all so that she could score points for the islamic massacre of Hindus on the Sabarmati Train and the riots thereafter. Her dad being the Indian of her two parents and the Hindoo besides (as per her description), her murdered cousins must be Indian too living as they did in Mumbai and therefore related to Kamdar from her father's side. That means they were but more Indian Hindoos - or Hindoo "fascists" as Kamdar likes to call them.

No doubt Kamdar, who already kicked her dad, is eagerly preparing a juicy paper on how her unfortunate Indian Hindu cousins "must therefore be fascist too and so had it coming". For communitwits, there's nothing like running over dead people, after all.

And as the final twist, the christoconditioned terrorist Kamdar will find this the perfect occasion to 'discover' that "Poorohit from his prison cell must have telepathically detonated the islamic bombs, while the incarcerated Sadhvee would have used her jogic skills to psychically possess the helpless, victimised islamics from the Terrorist State of Pakistan to commit the islamic acts of Hindoo Tewwor". Proof? Why, anti-Hindu Kamdar will read the events as an act of the evil Hindootvadis targetting *her* via her family, with the remaining victims apparently having no greater role in the crime drama than background characters/corpses who were collateral damage.

In death, Kamdar finds that her otherwise inconvenient Hindoo cousins serve her purposes rather well. Look, the camera is back on Kamdar (her cousins being merely the means thereof, no more than a prop for presenting the extent of her psecular suffering), while the other Hindu and Jewish dead and their relatives are ignored.

And what's with her entirely non-commital - actually, psecular - statement that the christoislamaniac terrorists "wanted to do something spectacular and they did succeed in that"? Such a statement makes no sense. Pixar (Bug's Life, Monsters Inc., Incredibles) wanted to do something spectacular and succeeded in that too. That can't be what she means. So what exactly does Kamdar mean? That the christoislamiterrorists were merely aiming to get into the Guinness Book Of Records or go down in history; that the attacks on Mumbai were no more than islamic acts of "derring-do"?
Where's her condemnation of the christoislamiterrorists of the Mumbai Attacks, when she was able to condemn her own father for "fascism" for far less? Now wait. How did I manage to forget it again: her dad was merely a Hindoo - same as her cousins. That's right, lesser beings. Had they even sneezed, she'd have been all over them like a deadly flu. But it was only christoislamists who killed Hindus and Jews and non-Indians in this case. That's okay then.

ramana · 12-20-2008, 10:59 AM

Meanwhile

Support for Antualy builds in Pakistan

Headline is misleading. What it means is TSP is taking Anutaly' line and claiming he is right.

12-20-2008, 09:47 PM

QUOTE(ramana @ Dec 20 2008, 10:59 AM)Meanwhile

Support for Antualy builds in Pakistan

Headline is misleading. What it means is TSP is taking Anutaly' line and claiming he is right.
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Pakis are smart people, they are doing right. As I write, Baneerjee, Chatterjee jhola crowd of US is already penning articles to be published blaming Hindutava on Mumbai, I am not joking, I will not provide links to morons article on this site, but they are active as usual.

Indian Politicians appoint Judge Baneerjee to declare Hindu women and Children committed suicide in Godhra train, some Police officer Roy drag some Hindu Sadhus and blame them for Malegaon blast, Now Speaker Chatterjee will come out with some logic to protect Anutlay.
Who can trust Indians? I am saying loud and clear, Indians Government doesnât have credibility. Indian Diplomats had bad reputation; they are labeled as "bunch of Liars".
When fools and idiots are making mess, good time for monkey to enjoy feast.
Good for Pakis, again they had shown they can beat stupid Indian politicians/Government hands down.

I can give better theory to Pakistan, Kasav is Kasai so he is SC or he may be Khatri of OBC group, it is very much possible he is RAW plant to defame Pakis. Only problem he was well trained, so he is not from India. <!--emo& Big Grin

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Antulay: Congress caught between terror and votebank
UPA is smart they will pick Votes.

12-21-2008, 12:11 AM

Top-level meet reviews security scenarioQUOTEA high-level assessment of the security scenario in the light of Indo-Pak tensions was undertaken at a marathon meeting chaired by Prime Minister Manmohan Singh [Images] at the Defence Ministry in New Delhi [Images] on Saturday night.

Three seniormost ministers, Pranab Mukherjee, A K Antony and P Chidambaram, besides National Security Adviser M K Narayanan, three services chiefs and intelligence chiefs participated in the meeting which lasted around four hours.

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Meanwhile, the army is understood to have cancelled leave to its personnel till April.
Drama /Nautanki is on by do nothing Indian Government.

Shambhu · 12-21-2008, 03:18 AM

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/News/P...how/3867035.cms

MUMBAI
: The Trident hotel, which is to reopen tomorrow after last monthâs terror siege, today said it would not entertain any Pakistani national in its luxury establishment.

âEven you must have heard that government of India has made it clear that no Pakistani arrival should be allowed (in hotels),â Trident hotelâs President Rattan Keswani told reporters here.

All guests of other countries would be allowed in the hotel, he said adding.

Keswani said âthe hotel was not closing any reservation channel because of the terror attack. All our reservation systems will be back as they always were.â

âWe need to be careful in trying to find out the identification of individual and from where the person comes from and keep a record of the same,â he said.

There were no pakistani employees in the establishment , Keswani added.

12-21-2008, 03:43 AM

But these Pakis carry International ID. They should check whether these guys ever travelled to Pakistan, always check passport as they do in US, Passport with Paki or Afghanistan stamp is big red flag and always comes with long interview at any port of entry.

12-21-2008, 07:25 AM

QUOTEIslamists in PM's team outed!
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Kanchan Gupta
Last week this column referred to closet Islamists in Prime Minister Manmohan Singh's Cabinet, pointing out that Minister of State for External Affairs and Muslim League leader E Ahamed, while presenting India's case in the United Nations Security Council on December 9, had mentioned the fidayeen attacks on Taj Mahal Palace, Oberoi-Trident Hotel and Leopold CafÃ©, but not the siege of Chabad House where six Jews, including a rabbi and his pregnant wife, were tortured and killed. On Monday a Muslim friend called to say that the Government was not doing his community any good by pandering to Islamists at home and abroad. "This only hardens popular perceptions of India's Muslims and casts aspersions on our loyalty to our motherland. I have read the full text of Mr Ahamed's statement. He not only failed to mention the slaughter at Chabad House but also suppressed the fact that 46 Muslims were among the 188 people killed by the terrorists," he told me. According to him, there was nothing innocent about this omission, just as the deletion of reference or allusion to Chabad House was not without a sly motive. "Islamists do not want the world, especially the Islamic world, to know that Muslims are killing Muslims in the name of jihad. This would knock the bottom out of their faith-based ideology and show them for what they are: Mass murderers who hide behind the cloak of Islam," he said, before letting loose a string of unprintable expletives. 

My friend's loyalty to the nation and his abhorrence of Islamic fanaticism are unquestionable. He is at peace in Hindu majority India and his aspirations are no different from those of middle class Hindus. He believes the burqa and the hijab are abominable impositions and, along with the kaffiyeh, symbols of forced Arabisation of India's Muslims by mullahs who want to perpetuate the hideous dogma of Muslim cultural, social and political separatism and promote their warped notion of faith over the idea of nationhood. Does this make him and other Muslims who think alike an insignificant minority within India's least of all minorities? While the official policy of the UPA Government and the shameless appeasement of those who feed on the maggot-ridden carcass of Muslim communal politics would suggest that the vast majority of India's Muslims secretly endorse butchery in the name of Islam as was witnessed in Mumbai last month, the reality is far removed from this perception.

Indeed, most Muslims are as distressed as Hindus by jihadi violence and there is an increasing clamour that the community must be seen to be distancing itself from terrorists and their criminal misdeeds. The decision by those who manage Muslim graveyards in Mumbai not to allow the slain terrorists to be buried there as it would be an affront to their patriotic sentiments is only one of many indications that distraught Muslims want their voice to be heard as loud and clear as that of Hindus protesting against jihadi terror. To tar the entire community with the same brush, therefore, would be not only grossly unfair but amount to playing into the hands of Teesta Setalvad, Arundhati Roy and the entire cunning lot of professional human rights activists who constantly portray the perpetrators of terror as innocent victims and want Hindus to be on a perpetual guilt trip. It would also serve the purpose of Islamofascists, of whom there are many in this country, and lend credibility to their vile Islamist propaganda which contravenes the truth, famously articulated by noted Arab writer Abdel Rahman al-Rashed: "It is a certain fact that not all Muslims are terrorists, but it is equally certain, and exceptionally painful, that almost all terrorists are Muslims."

But we digress from the issue of closet Islamists in the Prime Minister's team. It is possible that Mr Ahamed as well as Mr Manmohan Singh and Minister for External Affairs Pranab Mukherjee thought that the omission of any mention of Chabad House in the December 9 statement at the UN Security Council would go unnoticed in India -- after all, not everybody reads official texts posted on the Ministry of External Affairs website with great diligence and care; Indian journalists who reported on the statement stressed only those portions that were pointed out to them by the Permanent Mission in New York or the spokesman of the Ministry of External Affairs, which speaks volumes about their professional ethics, if not abilities. To its credit, the Times of India picked up the story after the omission was pointed out in this column; to Mr LK Advani's credit, he raised it forcefully in the Lok Sabha. But I am reluctant to either accept Mr Ahamed's apology -- "I am very sorry. It is my duty to defend every Indian or any foreigner who is in India. We are all one," he said in response to Mr Advani's barbed comment -- or grant him the benefit of doubt: It was not an accidental miss, as has been claimed by the Ministry.

Just as there's nothing unintended or accidental about the vicious remarks of Minister for Minority Affairs Abdul Rehman Antulay, who has converted his Ministry into a Muslim welfare bureau, insinuating that Maharashtra Anti-Terrorism Squad chief Hemant Karkare was not killed by the Pakistani fidayeen who attacked Mumbai but 'somebody else'. The valiant police officer who went down fighting the jihadis, according to him, could have been a victim of "terrorism or terrorism plus something. I do not know ... the terrorists had no reason to kill Karkare". Within hours of this outrageous calumny, Pakistan's President Asif Ali Zardari told BBC that there "is no evidence" to prove Mohammed Ajmal Amir Kasab, the 'Butcher of Mumbai', is a Pakistani citizen! Which side is Mr Antulay, who we are told by the Shahi Imam of Delhi's Fatehpuri Masjid, has merely lent voice to what "millions of Muslims believe", batting for? Do his rancid views represent those of the Prime Minister and the Cabinet? If they don't, then he is guilty of not only violating the principle of collective responsibility (which many Ministers have done while thumbing their nose at the Prime Minister) but also of embarrassing the nation -- this Government is so bereft of shame that it cannot be embarrassed, no matter how hard anybody tries, which also explains why the Prime Minister has chosen to sit on Mr Antulay's letter of resignation instead of despatching it to the President for immediate acceptance.

There is some comfort in the fact that at least two closet Islamists in the Prime Minister's team have been outed in less than a fortnight since the jihadi carnage in Mumbai. There will be cause to celebrate when this Government, which has so severely compromised India's national interest, is consigned to the dustbin of history.

12-21-2008, 07:28 AM

Coming up next: US terror package for India
Fooling India leadership and slapping every next day is good past time of rest of World.
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12-22-2008, 06:26 AM

QUOTEFBI interrogates Kasab for nine hrs
pioneer.com
PTI | Mumbai
The officials of Federal Bureau of Investigation grilled Mohammad Ajmal Amir Iman Kasab, the lone Lashker-e-Taiba militant involved in November 26 terror strikes, for over nine hours recently to ascertain about his role and handlers in Pakistan.

The FBI sleuths, who have now been camping in the metropolis for over three weeks, questioned Kasab, who is in the custody of Mumbai Police, official sources said.

During the questioning session that lasted at a stretch for nine hours, the FBI sleuths asked the arrested Lashkar terrorist minor details about his native places even including the lanes and by-lanes of the area. Kasab hails from Ukkad area of Faridkot district in Pakistan.

Kasab was also asked to explain the area were his training took place besides the people who had trained him in arms as well as the people who brainwashed him, the sources said.

The 21-year-old Iman told his interrogators that he had started his career as a petty thief in Lahore, where he was staying with his brother after dropping out of school in 2000. Thereafter, he shuttled between his brothers home and his parent's house till 2005.

He had a fight with his family members and left home to start work as a daily wager but later joined a small-time criminal gang. Here, he and one of his friends came across some Jamaat-ul-Dawa members while they were purchasing arms from a market in Rawalpindi.

12-22-2008, 06:30 AM

QUOTE'Drama' over Antulay's remark must come to an end: BJP
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PTI | Patna
BJP on Sunday alleged that Union Minister AR Antulay's statement about Mumbai ATS chief Hemant Karkare's death being a conspiracy [SIZE=7]has given an opportunity to Pakistan to defend itself.[/SIZE]

"Such an irresponsible statement by Antulay has given a leeway to Pakistan which was in a tight spot over India's demand of taking action against the terrorists operating from its (Pakistan) soil," BJP spokesman Ravi Shankar Prasad said adding that this "drama" must come to an end.

Prasad asked Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and Congress President Sonia Gandhi to clarify the Government's stand vis-a-vis Antulay's remark.

"The Congress Party is saying that this was not its stand, Digvijay Singh supports Antulay's statement and Antulay himself feels proud for making such a remark," Prasad said adding that the "dirty politics of votebank must end".

"When Ajmal Kasab, the lone surviving gunman of Mumbai attacks, himself has admitted that Karkare fell to his bullet, then why Antulay has made such a statement?" the BJP leader asked.

Prasad alleged that Antulay had not only reiterated his earlier statement about Karkare's death being a conspiracy but has tried to "patently communalise" the issue." "Antulay has tried to put a Muslim angle to it too. We strongly condemn it."

12-22-2008, 01:02 PM

Hit Pakistan army where it hurts -- its fundingQUOTEBritish Prime Minister Gordon Brown visited Islamabad [Images] and gave 6 million pounds (about Rs 433 million) to Pakistan's government as a reward for the attacks on Mumbai, carried out by trained Pakistani militants.
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Being the 'frontline State' in the war on terror has netted the Pakistan army over $10 billion (Rs 500,000 million) in military assistance from the United States. The frontline of terror runs through the state of Pakistan -- for its army it has proven to be rich vein of gold.

More Paki attack India, more funds they will get.

12-23-2008, 02:11 AM

Mumbai top cop comes under fireQUOTEFor the first time since the attack, a highly decorated and respected officer of the Indian Police Service has come out in the open and slammed the role of Mumbai police's chief Hasan Gafoor.

"There was complete collapse of leadership for three days (during the attack). The forces which had come from out of the state did not know who is the operational director," Padmashree awardee and former director general of Border Security Force (BSF) Prakash Singh told HT. "Only person I see is the Mumbai Police Commissioner who should have been in-charge."

Gafoor refused to comment on the issue.

Though CM Ashok Chavan has ordered a high level probe into whether there was any dereliction of duty, the members of the probe committee are yet to be decided.

But Singh believes such inquiry should not be only at the state level. "The commission of inquiry should be like the one undertaken by the US after the 9/11 attack and should be completed in a time bound period. It should find out systematic failure and decide who is to be held accountable at each level and the role of all the agencies including the IB, R&AW, Coast Guard, Navy, etc," said Singh
Suggestion is good but current government is not interested, they are looking for scapegoat. I can say they are doing very good job faking pressure on beloved Pakistan.

12-23-2008, 02:18 AM

Bridge the troubled waters
QUOTEThe naval officers deputed to the R&AW did not wish to continue with their deputation because when they were assigned their desks in the Cabinet Secretariat they found to their dismay that they had been placed under officers who were many years their junior in terms of service. Having taken this stoically, they then found that they were deprived of things like telephones, stenographers and transport because the âstatusâ assigned to them did not entitle them to these utilities. The R&AW authorities were sympathetic, but pleaded that they were not in a position to alter the equivalences apparently âlaid downâ by a Kafkaesque Department of Personnel.

This is symptomatic of a larger malaise: the lack of coordination between organs of the Government of India, that also contributed to the recent Mumbai fiasco. This should not come as a surprise. The GoI is so laissez faire in its approach that it wonât intervene to eliminate inter-agency inequity that can result in crippling dysfunctionality. If you progressively marginalise, downgrade and degrade your own armed forces, you are undermining the security of the State. At the risk of exaggerating, I would venture to state that this is exactly what the Sixth Central Pay Commission (CPC) seems to have achieved.
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Spreading unhappiness among the nationâs armed forces or demoralising them and the 2-3 million-strong ex-servicemen community does not serve anyoneâs interest. Should someone in authority not sit up and take notice?


Corrupt babus are getting more money and they do nothing other than destroying India, Armed forced who are actually doing something are paid less.
I forget ,corrupt Babus decide salaries. What a Shame?

12-23-2008, 02:21 AM

Opportunity knocks downQUOTEIt is the politicianâs indifference and low prioritisation of terrorism that is the problem â not his over-indulgence

12-23-2008, 04:19 AM

Blood samples of slain top cops sent for alcohol testQUOTEMaharashtra Forensic Laboratory will soon complete the testing of blood samples of slain Anti-Terrorism Squad chief Hemant Karkare [Images] and two other police officers, who were killed in the terror attack in Mumbai last month, for alcohol content, laboratory sources said
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State-owned J J Hospital's forensic experts had sent these samples to the State Forensic Sciences Laboratory, asking it to examine the blood samples of the three police officials who include sharp shooter Vijay Salaskar and Ashok Amte, for alcohol content and the request letter was dated November 27, hospital sources said.

According to senior forensic experts, in the normal course of investigation into terrorist attack, blood samples are not given to the labs. Not even the viscera are tested in such cases, where the reason of killing was well established, sources said.

Only the clothes and bullets are sent to the labs, they said.


I am impressed, Good police work is important, I hope we get actual information no coverup on this.
Because these guys behaved like drunk before operation.

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