Indian Languages

[Bodhi]

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yes, sUry<b>A</b> (dIrgha mAtrA in the end) is the daughter of sUrya. Other synonym - bhAnujA.

some other valid female names derived from sun:

abhyuditA ("The One Who is Risen")
AdityavarNA ("of the colour/character of Sun")
asUryampashyA / asUryamsparshA ("Whom Sun Has Never Seen/touched" - a princess etc., a virgin)
aharmaNikA/ambaramaNi ("Jewel of the day/sky")
rashmirathI ("The climber of the ratha of rays")
prabhAvatI

[Husky]

Rhytha, see above for additional female solar names that Bodhi has posted for your consideration.

Here's other ones:
http://www.himalayanacademy.com/resources/...ch-8-names.html
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Bhamini (F): shining, radiant, glorious; passionate

Bhanavi (F): descendant of the sun; shining like the sun; sacred; glorious, enlightening

Bhanuja (F): daughter of the sun; the Yamuna river
(actually, Surya Bhagavan has many children including several daughters, does he not?)

<b>Bhanupriya (F): beloved of the sun</b> <!--emo&--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->

Bhanushri (F): glorious as the sun

Ravichandrika (F): glory of the sun; moonlight; a raga

Udaya (M-F): to rise; prosperity; sunrise<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Rhytha, why not give your baby several names, as many Hindus do. For instance, the first of these can be one of the names of your Kuladevam, another can be the name of one of your grandparents or of your wife's grandparents, and the third can be the calling-name for your baby. (We all have three names each in my family).
Don't mind me interfering, but have you considered Nayantara (starry-eyed, eyes like the stars or something like that): it's a beautiful calling name and can simultaneously be shortened to the Nya you like. Okay, Nayantara is a Hindu female name that means star of the eyes. But at least it has *star* in it.
Of course you can then still give your daughter an additional name related to your Surya Bhagavan.


<!--QuoteBegin-Bodhi+Dec 29 2008, 07:49 PM-->QUOTE(Bodhi @ Dec 29 2008, 07:49 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->yes, sUry<b>A</b> (dIrgha mAtrA in the end) is the daughter of sUrya.  Other synonym - bhAnujA.[right][snapback]92391[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Thanks Bodhi, it is as I suspected then (got confused because people uniformly spelled the two the same in Roman script in those places on the web where I had seen it referenced).

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->"Nya" is listed as a female name under that site, (plus probably in semetic tongue),<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->When I web searched on its meaning I found it meant lustrous in Gaelic and purpose in Swahili, I think.

Bodhi, more names of Surya can be obtained from his Sahasranamam, but I find myself too slow in reading through the text since it's in Devanagiri.
http://www.himalayanacademy.com/resources/...ch-8-names.html
This page lists some further names of our Surya Bhagavan for Rhytha to consider for his subsequent babies in case there are boys among them <!--emo&--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Bharanyu (M): protector, master; fire, sun; friend
Nikhil (M): the Sun God, Surya
Chaksu (M): eye; Sun God, Surya (IIRC it was Surya who presides over sight)
Chandansu (M): hot-rayed, the sun
Dinakara (M): that which causes the day; the sun; an aditya
Dinamani (M): day jewel; the sun
Dinapati (M): day lord; the sun
Dinaraja (M): day king; the sun
Dinaratna (M): day jewel; the sun
Dinesha, Dinesh (M): day lord; sun
Divakara (M): day maker, the sun
Divapati (M): day lord; the sun
Yamunajanaka (M): father of Yamuna; the sun<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Related to Surya:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Mitrajna (M): knower of friends; knower of the sun
Mitrodaya (M): sunrise<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

On a separate matter, this is interesting:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Bharatha (M): world protector<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->If indeed its meaning, then it is comparable in sense to Alexander which means "defender of mankind".

[Pandyan]

The girl's name Nya \n-ya\ is a variant of Nia (Gaelic, Swahili), and the meaning of Nya is "lustrous; goal, purpose".

The baby name Nya sounds like Nyah, Nea and Noa. Other similar baby names are Aya, Mya, Nyad, Nyla, Nyna and Nysa.

[Pandyan]

Savitri would be a relevant name.

[Guest]

thanks for the input.

hmm naming is not that easy <!--emo&:unsure:--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/unsure.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='unsure.gif' /><!--endemo--> . as per my father since her birth start is anushum, the name should start with a N. One more criteria is since her birth date is 25th, the sum of the characters needs to be 7, so 7, 16 and 25 are the acceptable. <!--emo&:o--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ohmy.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='ohmy.gif' /><!--endemo-->

it is much complex than i thought, though naming no easy task either <!--emo&:lol:--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='laugh.gif' /><!--endemo-->

[Guest]

oh forgot to say that i wanted a name with only 4 charcters, my first daughters name is Diya <!--emo&:wub:--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wub.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wub.gif' /><!--endemo-->

[Bodhi]

<!--QuoteBegin-rhytha+Dec 30 2008, 12:48 PM-->QUOTE(rhytha @ Dec 30 2008, 12:48 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->sum of the characters
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how is that calculated - the 'sum of characters'?

[Guest]

we use indian numerology...

b 2
a 1
c 3
d 4
e 5
f 8
g 3
h 5
i 1
j 1
k 2
l 3
m 4
n 5
o 7
p 8
q 1
r 2
s 3
t 4
u 6
v 6
w 6
x 5
y 1
z 7

[Husky]

^ Bodhi, see above
(Removed my guess on what sum of chars meant. I was wrong.)

I'm so dense - I think I finally twigged on why Rhytha wants to particularly call her after his Surya Bhagavan: daughter's birth on 25 December being Rome's birthday for Sol Invictus <!--emo&--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo--> or, as you Hindus call it, "Mitrotsava". How sweet.

Rhytha you've presented a puzzle:
1) Hindu feminine name
2) 7, 16, or 25 chars long
3) starts with letter N
(4) possibly Solar meaning)

Let's try puzzling.

A. I'm partial to Goddess names for females myself, so some feminine names of 7 chars long that start with N are:
- Nikhita - Hindu feminine name. I already knew it meant Earth. Apparently it also means our Goddess Ganga.
The same page (http://www.indianhindunames.com/indian-h...name-n.htm) says:
- Nandana = Goddess Durga
- Nandika = Laxshmi
- Nandini = Goddess Durga

While the page http://www.himalayanacademy.com/resources/...ch-8-names.html says:
<b>- Nandika, Nandini</b>, Nandanti (F): gladdening, delightful, blissful; a daughter; Durga and GaMga

That means Nandika covers 3 Goddesses apparently: Durga, Lakshmi and Ganga <!--emo&--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->

B. None of the above are solar. But, if 4 chars are what's wanted:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->oh forgot to say that i wanted a name with only <b>4 charcters</b>, my first daughters name is Diya<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--> http://www.himalayanacademy.com/resources/...ch-8-names.html
Gives the following name that can be used for both male and female children, which starts with N and is also Surya's name (and the 4 chars you were looking for):
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Naka (M-F): vault of heaven; sky; Surya<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Bodhi, how does one pronounce this (particularly F case): is it Naakaa or Nakaa?

[Bodhi]

<!--QuoteBegin-Husky+Dec 30 2008, 04:32 PM-->QUOTE(Husky @ Dec 30 2008, 04:32 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Gives the following name that can be used for both male and female children, which starts with N and is also Surya's name (and the 4 chars you were looking for):
<!--QuoteBegin--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Naka (M-F): vault of heaven; sky; Surya<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Bodhi, how does one pronounce this (particularly F case): is it Naakaa or Nakaa?
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that would, I think, be "nAka", probably somewhat related etymologically with (the opposite of) English "nigh"... and mean 'sky far away'; to me does not make for a convincing female name.

some other valid f names starting with n might be:

navoditA ("Just Arisen") - this is in 4 characters

nabhamaNi ("Jewel of sky", but is mostly used as a male name, can be made f by suffixing a 'kA')
nabhasaritA ("Divine River", milky way / ga~NgA)

and yes, narmadA, though not connected with Sun.

Husky, the intricate requirements call for some programming skills <!--emo&--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->

[Husky]

< Rhytha, Bodhi's post for you

<!--QuoteBegin-Bodhi+Dec 30 2008, 05:42 PM-->QUOTE(Bodhi @ Dec 30 2008, 05:42 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->that would, I think, be "nAka", probably somewhat related etymologically with (the opposite of) English "nigh"... and mean 'sky far away';[right][snapback]92437[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Another puzzle. But am not good at word guessing games - what English word is the opposite of nigh that 'naaka' is probably somewhat etymologically related to?
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->to me does not make for a convincing female name.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->I merely got it from that link, else this was the first time I ever even heard of the name or word.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Husky, the intricate requirements call for some programming skills  <!--emo&--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo--><!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->That rules me out then...
You've provided several names starting with N that are related to the Sun. Okay, they weren't 7 chars long, but they satisfied the other requirements quite well, I thought. Good stuff.

[Guest]

the name does not need to be 7 characters long.

the sum of the chars should be either 7, 16 or 25 for example

nya = 5+1+1 (as per the numerology format in the previous page).

my only prefernce is that the name should'nt be a longer than 4 chars, should be like diya, small and sweet.

i have the calculations in a excel sheet which has all the programming, other new fathers are welcome to ping me to get the excel for thier personal use. <!--emo&--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->

[Guest]

Congrats rhytha,
Charu, Neha, Anvi, Nitya

Last month my brother named her daughter Rishika.

[Bodhi]

<!--QuoteBegin-rhytha+Dec 30 2008, 11:40 PM-->QUOTE(rhytha @ Dec 30 2008, 11:40 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->the name does not need to be 7 characters long.

the sum of the chars should be either 7, 16 or 25 for example

nya = 5+1+1 (as per the numerology format in the previous page).

my only prefernce is that the name should'nt be a longer than 4 chars, should be like diya, small and sweet.

i have the calculations in a excel sheet which has all the programming, other new fathers are welcome to ping me to get the excel for thier personal use. <!--emo&--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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Rhytha, if the "Indian Numerology" is based on Roman characterset then whatever it is it is not "Indian".

[Bodhi]

<!--QuoteBegin-Husky+Dec 30 2008, 06:12 PM-->QUOTE(Husky @ Dec 30 2008, 06:12 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Another puzzle. But am not good at word guessing games - what English word is the opposite of nigh...
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Husky, there is an old Hindi word 'niyara'/'niyare' (pronounced 'near' or 'near-aye' depending on context). This is used very much in awadhI and braja etc. and means exactly what its English resemblence means - 'Close By'. (An example, which Hindi-knowers would immediately recognize, is this immortal dohA of rahIm - "nindaka niyare rAkhiye..": 'keep the critics close by'...)

Now, as per English etymology websites, Eng. 'near' comes from Old Eng. 'nigh'... (O.E. neah (W.Saxon), neh (Anglian), common Gmc. (cf. O.Fris. nei, M.Du. na, O.H.G. nah, Ger. nah, Goth. nehwa) link)

And there is this word nakS- in saMskR^ita, with fairly old usage as it appears in R^ik and atharvan:

<b>nakS</b> cl. 1. P.A1. %{na4kSati} , %{-te} (perf. %{nanakSu4r} , %{-kSe4} RV. ; aor. %{anakSIt} Gr. ; fut. %{nakSiSyati} , %{nakSitA} ib.) to come near , approach , arrive at , get , attain RV. AV. VS. (cf. 1. %{naz} [524,2] ; %{inakS}). (use link to search)

nAka appears exactly opposite.

So I was just wandering when I had written what I did...

[Husky]

<!--emo&:roll--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ROTFL.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='ROTFL.gif' /><!--endemo--> I'm the source of hysterics. Thanks Rhytha for pointing me to the only comedy today: myself -
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->the name does not need to be 7 characters long.

the sum of the chars should be either 7, 16 or 25 for example

nya = 5+1+1 (as per the numerology format in the previous page).<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->I have no excuses for sticking stubbornly with my initial assumption of "number of chars" - <i>in spite</i> of seeing your post with the numbers (though only after I submitted, and then partly edited, mine). And then, in my subsequent posts, I <i>still</i> proceeded to ignore those numbers you had taken pains to provide. <!--emo&:blink:--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='blink.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--emo&:lol:--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='laugh.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Chalk it up to stupidity on my part.

You know Rhytha, you don't have to correct me so politely. What I did was *deeply* silly and I would have totally understood if you had imitated Megatron (from the original Transformers cartoon series) and addressed me with his unforgettable and perfectly expressed "FOOL!" <!--emo&--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /><!--endemo--> It's one of those moments after all.
Don't worry, you've not missed the boat: you can save Megatron's apt line for when I make my next hysterical mistake. I think I can guarantee that it will be soon (probably when I try adding up numbers to work out the values for some names...)

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Rhytha, if the "Indian Numerology" is based on Roman characterset then whatever it is it is not "Indian".<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Bodhi, this was going to be my initial reply, but then I remembered that the sole numerology book I had ever had a peek into (in an Indian bookstore, so presumably Indian Numerology) had had separate pages for Tamizh, Kannada, Devanagiri and even Roman chars. I don't know, maybe there's some character-mapping thing going on?
Also, Roma still seem to use numerology - according to a movie I've seen containing Gypsy characters. I think they'd then be using the Greek or Roman or Cyrillic alphabets (Arabic probably as well), depending on where they now live.


<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Ger. nah<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->And derived "naehe". Na in NL (as in nabij)?
But what about the opposite - the one that is related to Naaka?

[Guest]

Congratulations, Rhytha.

<b>The Pada or word/name Naka</b>
Pronounced Naaka has a solar meaning: naáka m. the sun Naighantu i. 4;
But, Naka would not give 7, 16 or 25.

<b>The Pada or word/name Nyá </b>
In the 1st vibhakti = nominative case: Nyás > Nyó in Sandhi at AV. xi, 7, 4.

About the Dhaatu ny-as
Parasmaipada ny-asyati, or ny-asati, to throw or cast or lay or put down
- (with 7th vibhakti or locative case, e.g. bhuvi, on the earth) AV. &c. &c.; to take off MBh. Ram.; to give up, resign (as life) Ram.; to set in the ground, plant (prarohaan, shoots) Bâlar.;
- (with 7th vibhakti or locative case) to throw or hurl upon, pour or shed on or in, put or place or fix or insert in, turn or direct to, deposit with, intrust or commit to;
- to settle arrange MBh. Kâv. &c. (with citre, "to place in a picture", paint, depict; with shirasi, to place on the head", receive with reverence; with manasi, to call to mind", reflect, ponder; with pathi, "to lay on the road", give up); to bring forward, mention Mall.: Caus. (pf. nyaasayaam-aasa or sayaaM-cakre) to cause to put or lay down MBh.

But, not much of a solar meaning here.

Looking at the text place of Nyá in the Atharvaveda:
Atharvaveda XI.7.4 (Shaunaka Shakha)

<b>drDHó drMHa sthiró nyó bráhma viśhvasŕjo dáśha |
naábhim iva sarvátaśh cakrám úcchiSHTe devátaaH śhritaaH ||4||</b>
The firm, <i>the fast, the strong, the hard, Brahma, the All-creating Ten.
Gods, as a wheel about the nave, are fixed all round the Residue.</i>

Nyá here is translated as "the hard", referring to something firmly planted or placed in the earth/ground. The 7th Hymn is a glorification of the UcchiSHTa (ud-shiSHTa) or Residue of the Yajna. If you want to grasp the meaning of this 7th hymn, see:here.
The transcribed Sanskrit text can be read at: skt. Or in Devanagari script at devanagari.

Hope this helps.

[Bodhi]

Ishwa, thank you very much.

One suggestion/request: have you considered using ITRAN to write phrases of Indic languages in Roman Characters. That is slowly becoming the standard... just a matter of convention but helps in advanced usage e.g. later in machine search etc., besides is simple to type and read.

[Guest]

Yw Bodhi <!--emo&--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->

I am still a little bit lazy with the transcriptions. Having been trained with the IAST like transcription system, it is hard for me to see for instance the rkaara as R^.
But I have to get used to it, as it is the system of the majority. Besides, most letters I am using are in perfect agreement with the Itrans system.
And you are right, for advanced and elaborate usage it is better to work with a standard transcription.

[rhytha]

wow a blast from the past.



I enjoyed reading this thread again.



And for people who missed it, i had named our daughter nya, and incidentally there seems to be a [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nyaya"]nyaya astika[/url] which i later found our <img src='http://www.india-forum.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' /> <img src='http://www.india-forum.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' /> .