India-Israel Co-operation and Challenges

**shamu** · 05-23-2008, 10:43 PM

I don't think we need olive trees in Bharat. Rather we should try to use Indian alternative which can survive in desert land. Over a period of time, abundance of olive trees can change our food habits (oil) to that of mediterranian people.

~~Pandyan~~ · 05-23-2008, 10:52 PM

QUOTE(ashyam @ May 23 2008, 12:13 PM)I don't think we need olive trees in Bharat. Rather we should try to use Indian alternative which can survive in desert land. Over a period of time, abundance of olive trees can change our food habits (oil) to that of mediterranian people.
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Olives and derivatives of olives (like oil etc) are actually good for the body, and also provide great opportunities for export. Our food habits wouldn't change one bit, instead it would be incorporated into our cooking just like tomatoes and potatoes were. Olive trees can survive in austere conditions, the Israelis have been planting them in their deserts.

Bharatvarsh · (This post was last modified: 05-23-2008, 11:05 PM by Bharatvarsh.)

If there were Indian ones, we would have already found them, plus farmers won't plant something (doesn't matter if its Israeli or Indian) that doesn't give them good returns.

Tomato, Potato, Guava, Coffee etc are all foreign fruits and vegetables introduced to India in the last few hundred years, and we gave the rest of the world stuff like mangoes.

You can even find Neem trees (native to India) in the Negev desert nowadays.

And finally Olive oil is healthier than other oils used in India, also sunflower is not native to India either, it was introduced to the rest of the world from the Americas.

**shamu** · (This post was last modified: 05-25-2008, 12:38 AM by shamu.)

Actually, I'm not really sure about healthy oil theories. Most of the research reports come from the west and I suspect an agenda in that. For example, in Kerala people used to consume coconut oil for generations and suddenly coconut oil became a major source of cholesterol. I've seen many traditional people talking about benefits of coconut oil, unfortunately they don't get recognition.

My suspicion of great olive oil theory is that it is primarily grown in mediterranian region, and if entire world consumes that it will become a great export material for that region.

Main reason I don't like olive is that it is deeply attached to christianity, rather christian practices.

**shamu** · 05-24-2008, 02:33 AM

I would also like to bring attention to following report
QUOTE(Harshvardan @ Mar 9 2008, 08:22 PM)<div class='quotetop'>QUOTEIsraeli dairy to come up in Amul's backyard

9 Mar 2008

GANDHINAGAR: The Israelis will set up their first big venture in the country by starting a dairy farm in Gujarat. An Israeli firm, Elbit Imaging, has decided to import 10,000 high-breed milch cows to set up a $100-million dairy unit at two locations in north Gujarat. </div>
In the short run, this looks like a fantastic idea. But I am not so sure about long term impacts. Will the commercial interest in milk reduce or eventually eliminate Indian breed of cows? Actually many VHP people claim that Indian cow products have medicinal values. Why don't vetenary scientists try to improve milk producing capability of Indian cows? Once we lose our own stuff, it may be very difficult to get them back.

I may extend this practice to wild extreme. Why don't we import some jews and breed with Indians to produce smart Indians? Actually we don't need that because we know that Indians are much smarter people and after they are nurtured for some more time, they will easily become world beater. I would follow the same approach to many things we get from Israel. They currently have many advantages over us, and we should tactically borrow them to help us leapfrog. But ensure that they don't cause any permanent change to us.

I agree that Israel is India's friend, but that country is a much closer friend of USA. I find no problem in purchasing weapons from Israel, engaging in high-tech business with them, or preferring Israel over other middle eastern countries. But, I get bit paranoid when the relation touches our traditional stuff.

rhytha · (This post was last modified: 05-25-2008, 12:05 AM by rhytha.)

QUOTEIsraeli dairy to come up in Amul's backyard

9 Mar 2008

GANDHINAGAR: The Israelis will set up their first big venture in the country by starting a dairy farm in Gujarat. An Israeli firm, Elbit Imaging, has decided to import 10,000 high-breed milch cows to set up a $100-million dairy unit at two locations in north Gujarat.

The project is said to be a fallout of chief minister Narendra Modi's visit to Israel in May 2006. The move is significant as Gujarat is the home for the milk cooperatives. Besides, while the US government is still keeping Narendra Modi's Gujarat at bay by denying him a visa, the Jewish nation has extended a hand of friendship to an Indian state where the leadership has taken a firm stance against terror.

The Gujarat government has leased out 143 hectares of land in two areas to the firm for 30 years to set up the dairy.

The company proposes to implement the project in two phases. First, it will import 4,000 cows in order to establish a state-of-the-art dairy plant on 43 hectares at Ambasan village in Mehsana district. This was the Buffalo Bull Mother Farm run by the state animal husbandry department, which was shut down around 15 years ago. In the second phase, Elbit Imaging will import another 6,000 cows to extend the project to 100 hectares of land.

Elbit executives say Israeli cows produce around 25 to 30 litres of milk per day, compared to 3 to 9 litres by local breeds. Milk production from the best breeds like Kankrej and Gir cows, too, is the depleting. The frozen semen of the Israeli bulls would help here. Gujarats cattle breeders can expect to gain considerably in terms of technique and yield from this project.

Bureaucrats in the chief ministers office, who are particularly enthusiastic about the project, said the Israeli firm would inevitably challenge the states powerful milk cooperatives by giving better products.

The plan is to introduce contract farming on 2,000 hectares of land where dry fodder will be produced with drip irrigation method, turning it into easily digestible nutritious feed.

This smacks of short-sigthness. Why should the guj gov allow corporate competitor to vastly benifical co-operative community dairy farms. Many small time dairy farmers get a livelyhood because thier daily selling to AMUL. Amul supplies to mumbai, its biggest market and its surronding, benefitting the consumers as well as the suppliers.

So WTF cares if iserali cows give 25 ltrs, its not organic for sure.

Though i am not sure if Modi has any thing to do with this, we should'nt support whatever he does nither the guj goverment.

And i don't belive that we should get too close to Israle as well, just have a normal relationship like we have with other friendly countries, they are nither special nor very powerfull as many people claim.

**shamu** · (This post was last modified: 05-30-2008, 12:36 AM by shamu.)

X-post from BRF. We should relook at activities of large number of Israeli tourists and other relations with Israel in this light too. I agree that this report sounds like it is from KKK. However, when I tried to cross check some of the verifiable facts, they turned out to be correct.

The History of the House of Rothschild

ramana · 05-30-2008, 02:22 AM

I wouldnt think the alleagations about one family should be used as an example of a whole people and nation.

05-30-2008, 04:17 AM

QUOTEThe frozen semen of the Israeli bulls would help here. Gujarats cattle breeders can expect to gain considerably in terms of technique and yield from this project.
QUOTEThis smacks of short-sigthness. Why should the guj gov allow corporate competitor to vastly benifical co-operative community dairy farms. Many small time dairy farmers get a livelyhood because thier daily selling to AMUL. Amul supplies to mumbai, its biggest market and its surronding, benefitting the consumers as well as the suppliers.

If Guj can have better breed cow, it will help them. There will be huge food shortage in coming decade. In India there is a shortage of Milk.
AMUL products are available in USA, majority of Indian grocery stores carry, butter, Shrikhand, Paneer.

**shamu** · (This post was last modified: 05-30-2008, 01:20 PM by shamu.)

QUOTE(ramana @ May 30 2008, 02:22 AM)I wouldnt think the alleagations about one family should be used as an example of a whole people and nation.
I am not suggesting hostility towards Israelis. Many Indians have a soft corner for Israel and its people, at the same time are skeptical about actions of USA. I would suggest that we must be prudent so that the soft corner is not exploited by others.

Let's not be emotional about our relationship with Israel.

~~Pandyan~~ · 05-31-2008, 02:51 AM

QUOTE(Bharatvarsh @ May 23 2008, 11:54 AM)
Here is an video about fish farming in the Negev desert:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=GxlJ489WxkU
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Pictures of soon to be planted Olive trees.

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Gives a nice look to barren desert. Should be great in helping farmers with extra income and fighting desertification.

06-16-2008, 05:08 PM

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India now party to Israel-US axis: Karat
Sun, Jun 15 10:20 PM

New Delhi, June 15 (IANS) India has been drawn into the strategic designs of the US, and the Indian government's flourishing defence relations with Israel are a direct result of the paradigm shift pushed by Washington and Tel Aviv, Communist Party of India-Marxist (CPI-M) general secretary Prakash Karat said here Sunday.

Speaking at a function here, Karat said the issue of India's defence ties with Israel cannot be separated from the 'overarching' strategic relations with the US.

All 'patriotic, progressive and anti-imperialistic forces' should work to disentangle the country from the US-Israel axis, he added.

'On this point, there is no compromise on foreign policy,' he said, referring to the cause of creation of a separate Palestinian state with Jerusalem as its capital.

He alleged that Israeli defence companies, most of whom are state-owned enterprises, are 'known to pay heavy bribes'.

'The Barack missile scandal is but an example. If our ties continues, it will subvert our won military and security establishment,' he said, referring to the defence deal which is now being probed.

The CPI-M leader, whose party supports the United Progressive Alliance (UPA) government from outside, rebuffed the Indian government's explanation for launching an Israel spy satellite earlier this year 'as a purely commercial decision'.

'Israel has said openly that it will target Iran. Probably the satellite used to guide the missile to Iran would be the one launched by India,' said Karat.

The function was also addressed by Issam Makhoul, a politburo member of the Communist Party of Israel, who ended a week-long visit to India.

Makhoul, a former secretary general of the party, was strongly critical of the military ties between Israel and India, which he pointed out had propelled Tel Aviv to be among the top five defence exporters in the world.

'As a strategic alliance (it) is contradicting the traditional policy of support for the Palestinian people,' said Makhoul, who is an Israeli citizen of Palestinian descent.

He said that Israeli researchers had in the 1990s pointed out that if the defence industry had to survive, it had to look outward and had suggested India as the best possible market.

Makhoul, also a former member of the Israeli parliament, said the military ties were 'not a solely bilateral issue'.

He called for a 'grand campaign' to stop this 'suspicious ties' between Israel and India, which he termed as a 'contradiction to India's traditional policy'.

06-16-2008, 05:20 PM

Long-range missile set for launch test in Tel Aviv

QUOTENew Delhi, Jun 12 The long-range surface to air missile (LRSAM), which is jointly developed by Defence Research and Development Laboratory, Hyderabad with second biggest weapons supplier Israel, is ready to go for launch test to Tel Aviv.

Bodhi · (This post was last modified: 07-24-2008, 10:46 AM by Bodhi.)

QUOTEPrimary Candidate for UNESCO Head says will Burn Jewish Book if found in Libraries!

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UNITED NATIONS â Egypt's culture minister is a top candidate to head the United Nations's main intellectual body, but his declaration that he would burn books by Israeli authors has forced him to walk a fine line between appeasing extremists in his country and satisfying Western critics.

Several diplomats familiar with the selection process for director-general of the U.N. Education Scientific and Cultural Organization said yesterday that Farouk Hosni's candidacy could now be doomed, after he told the Egyptian parliament that if any Israeli books were found in Egyptian libraries, he would burn them.

Such a statement is "couched in the language and actions of Nazi 'Minister of Culture' Josef Goebbels," the director for international relations of the Simon Wiesenthal Center, Shimon Samuels, said in a letter to the current Unesco director-general, KoÃ¯chiro Matsuura of Japan. "An aspirant book-burner, who threatens to wield culture as a weapon, cannot head the intellectual arm of the United Nations."

"Anyone who presents a candidacy for the top U.N. education body should know that incitement is one of our region's worst problems," an Israeli U.N. ambassador, Daniel Carmon, said. "Hatred helps to create the infrastructure of terrorism."

A Unesco spokeswoman, Sue Williams, declined to comment directly on the statement, but said: "Unesco does not condone book burning of any sort."

After Mr. Hosni's remarks were made public last week, he tried to backtrack, telling Western news agencies in Cairo that they were "hyperbole." While he said he supports cultural "normalization" with Israel, he added that such ties can happen only after there is "just and global peace" in the Middle East.

Last week, a Muslim Brotherhood member of Egypt's parliament complained about Israeli books being in Egyptian libraries. Denying that such publications were available there, Mr. Hosni retorted: "I'd burn Israeli books myself if I found any in libraries in Egypt."

Unesco's 193 members are expected to vote on Mr. Matsuura's replacement in fall 2009.

http://www.nysun.com/foreign/egyptians-bid...urn-quip/78844/


Looks like they want to reserve this post for a faithful this time. India being a strong dar-ul-islam, let a faithful from India lead the post. May I suggest M F Hussain? Or Why not try ex-candidate for UN Sec General of Congress-I? Or even Ambika Soni!! What about T R Baalu?

At any rate India will be supporting this Moron for this post anyways.

Bharatvarsh · 10-06-2008, 06:32 AM

Pallywood

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJl3Y4tIrro

Shows some of the staged "atrocities" with uncut footage.

12-28-2008, 04:39 AM

Israel attacks Gaza Strip, 155 killed

Compare this with coward Indians response.

Stop using force in Gaza Strip, India tells Israel
Murkha Singh government came out with fantastic logic, Indian Government are bunch of impotents, they think other are like them.

12-29-2008, 06:39 PM

Israel's shock and awe

12-29-2008, 08:03 PM

A muslim will only have respect if you are religious, not if you are secular.

SPIEGEL INTERVIEW WITH RABBI YONA METZGER

'My Dream Is to Create a United Religious Nations'

12-31-2008, 07:05 PM

December 31, 2008.

Statement of Dr. Subramanian Swamy,
President of the Janata Party.

The Government of India must now stand squarely behind Israel in its policy of deterring the Hamas terrorist group, by pre-emptive decisive air and land-based strikes.
Hamas has not only refused to recognize the State of Israel despite Israel being recognized as a member of the UN for the last sixty years, but has attacked Israel with rockets, as well as supported suicide bomb attacks against innocent Israeli citizens and killing them for nearly seven years.
Hence, Israel, which nation has always supported India, must be fully supported to defend itself by pro-active deterrent retaliation against the Hamas.
No Indian national interest will be served by India supporting Hamas or by remaining neutral. Moreover about 80 percent of Indian people support Israel, regard it as a friendly nation and a valuable ally in the fight against terrorism.

( SUBRAMANIAN SWAMY )

Husky · 01-02-2009, 10:57 AM

http://haindavakeralam.com/HKPage.aspx?P...926&SKIN=W
QUOTE"Israeli Bombardment will Strenghten Hamas" - Says BBC
01/01/2009 09:07:11Â Kuru

"ISRAELI BOMBARDMENT WILL STRENGTHEN HAMAS!"

(BBC "worldhaveyoursay". December 30, 2008.).

Dear BBC,

It is very strange to read that ISRAELI ATTACKS WILL ONLY STRENGTHEN HAMAS.

May I ask if a question was posed to Sir Winston Churchill that "ALLIED BOMBING WILL STRENGTHEN THE NAZIS."?

Was President Roosevelt warned that "dropping atomic bombs on Japan will only strengthen the Japanese war machine."?

I am one of the FIFTEEN MILLION (15,000,000) refugees that were forced out of the newly established ISLAMIC Pakistan and was absorbed by bleeding Partitioned India silently and with dignity in August 1947.

No one picked up our story and no one enabled us to return to our homes in West Punjab. It seems that the whole world, including the civilised democracies, were on the side of the AGGRESSOR.

Let the Arabs, with their vast territories & the belief in BROTHERHOOD OF ISLAM now show the same spirit and take up these one and a half million Palestinian refugees who are in their third generation in that wretched refugee status.

We were told by our proud refugee mothers in that year of our own Holocaust, "Don't regard yourselves beggars or refugees. But go out to live sovereign life."

We never looked back.

Those who have occupied God's earth to establish FIFTY TWO ISLAMIC REPUBLICS, including the one called "Pakistan", must now be made to accept at least one tiny sovereign State for the Jews on this earth with viable area and secure borders.

Did India, that readily conceded ONE THIRD OF HER TERRITORY to Islam in 1947, experience any peace from the thankless Pakistanis? Did she invite them to invade Kashmir in order to slaughter or expel all the Hindus living there?Â Did she provoke them in any way to blast hotels and people in Mumbai on November 26 last?

Israel cannot take a chance when Islam is PERENNIAL AGGRESSION against peaceful neighbours.

Our bleeding Bharat (Partitioned India) can still sleep safely for a while since they are tearing it apart bit by bit but spare a thought for Israel which is meant to be wiped off the surface of earth according to Hamas and their Iranian backers. The Jews cannot even afford to take a nap.

KuruAnglican church's mouthpiece BBC news is very much against any non-christoislamic religion. It always sermonises to the Free World to roll over.
Christoislamism should roll over and evaporate. Time for it to Get Lost.

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