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<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->"<b>UPA Govt cripples India's missile programme" </b>
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PTI | New Delhi
Taking the BJP's charge against the UPA Government over India-US civil nuclear deal a step forward, senior BJP leader Jaswant Singh on Tuesday alleged that <b>Prime Minister Manmohan Singh has crippled India's missile development programme by committing to the Missile Technology Control Regime (MTCR) in two letters to US President Bush early last week.</b>

Singh also sought the PM's explanation claiming he owed one to Parliament.
 
"President Bush has recently informed the US Congress of India's formal commitment to the MTCR. This was done by the (Indian) Ministry of External Affairs in separate letters on September 8 and 9, 2008.

"This, to say the least, is an alarming announcement. When was the decision made by the UPA Government of virtually abandoning the country's decades-old indigenous programme of missile development?" Singh, who is also the Leader of the Opposition in the Rajya Sabha said here.

"In formally committing in writing its adherence to the MTCR, Manmohan Singh has crippled, forever, the country's missile development programme. This is a step that follows the already revealed crippling of the nation's nuclear programme by this Government," he said in a statement here.

<b>Jaswant claimed that the MTCR made it mandatory upon its adherents to restrict the development of missiles, complete rocket systems, unmanned air vehicles and related technologies and that the regime limits payloads to 500 kg and range to just 300 km. </b>
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<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Naval experts slam UPA over failure on sailors' release </b>
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Rajesh Singh | New Delhi
Naval experts have slammed the UPA Government for its failure to secure the release of 18 Indian sailors on board MT Stolt Valor, saying it slept over the crisis for two weeks even as harried family members of the captive sailors cried for action. Analysts also questioned the absence of a cohesive policy or action plan for such crises. 

The Hong Kong vessel having Japanese owners carrying 23,000 tonnes of oil cargo was hijacked off the coast of Aden on September 15 by Somali pirates. They are demanding a ransom of Rs 6 crore to release the crew.

Experts say the Government should have proactively struck an arrangement with countries whose vessels currently patrol Somali waters and engaged the Somali Government for a long-term role for the Indian Navy in the troubled region. ``If the Government has indeed been doing these things, it has been a well-kept secret,'' one of the experts caustically remarked.

While defence analysts agree that `hot pursuit' was not a workable solution both logistically and diplomatically, they fail to understand the Government's reluctance to adopt other strong measures. Union Defence Minister AK Antony had explained the Centre's inability to do much because it had neither an arrangement with Somalia nor did international laws permit the Indian Navy a unilateral role in foreign waters.

Retired Rear Admiral Ravi Vohra said the Indian Government should have moved the United Nations and demanded to be part of a multi-nation force in the Somali waters. "We should have built diplomatic relations with the Somali Transitional Federal Government that would have helped us immensely in situations we find ourselves in today,'' he said.

Charging the Government with a lackadaisical approach to the crisis, he wondered ``Why are we pussyfooting? We could have either sent our fleet or, if that was logistically not possible, tied up with the existing patrol vessels there to intercept the vessel before it actually entered the Somali waters. Stolt Valor was some 300 nautical miles away from the Somali waters before it was seized.''

He added "we failed to capitalise on the Somalia-piracy specific United Nations Resolution 1816 adopted by the UN Security Council on June 2, 2008, valid for six months. The resolution even provides for direct action by nations whose citizens are victims of hijack provided these were 'co-operating' with the Federal Government there. He demanded answers why had the Government "even three months after this resolution not moved to get the `co-operating' designation that could have helped resolve the present crisis more effectively?''

The UN resolution came in the wake of repeated attacks by pirates off the Somali coast and fully endorsed by the besieged country's Government. The International Maritime Organisation -- of which India is a member -- welcomed the resolution saying it would help fight pirates operating in the region. The International Marine Bureau said 55 ships had been attacked off the Somali coast since January this year, of which nearly a dozen continue to be held for ransom.
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Govt is busy with Orissa and Helicopter ride to Queen from her house to 2 miles in park
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<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Recall the '62 Chinese aggression</b>
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Prafull Goradia

If India wishes to learn from its Himalayan blunder and subsequent experiences, it must give as much weight to domestic Islamists, Maoists and infiltrators from Bangladesh as to foreign adversaries

For me October is usually the saddest time of the year. The Chinese aggression of 1962 affected me so much that neither Gandhi's birth anniversary nor even the festive days do anything to console me. In October 1961, I was on a tea-tasting visit to Ananda tea garden situated on the border of the then North-East Frontier Agency and now Arunachal Pradesh. I was taken to the forest surrounding the Subhasari river after which was also named one of the divisions of NEFA.

In less than a year, on September 20, Jawaharlal Nehru announced that he had asked the troops to throw the Chinese out of India. Come October and all hell broke loose, so, at least, it appeared in Calcutta. By the end of the month soldiers with frostbites on their hands and feet had begun to reach army hospital camps in Fort William. The present Command Hospital on Alipore Road was built much later. I applied for a commission in the Territorial Army; the application form got misplaced in the TA office. I tried again but nothing happened until January.

My depression was out of frustration and not so much out of the humiliating defeats we were suffering. November was militarily much worse but not for me because I had felt assured by then. Of all things, my reassurance came from reading a 2,000-word little book written by Carl von Clausewitz, the guru on war who taught after Napoleon's defeat at Waterloo. Virtually an illustrated nursery book written for the crown prince of Prussia. There were two interesting points that I was able to register. One, a defender should not depend on terrain because most likely an imaginative opponent would bypass it.

Sure enough, soon the Chinese circumvented the Sela Pass and surrounded Bomdilla.

Two, the season can often help the defender to judge the aggressor's intentions. As it happened, on November 21, the Chinese declared a unilateral ceasefire and withdrew beyond the borders of NEFA. Had they intended their invasion to be on going, they would have launched it in spring and not autumn. Their troops could survive on the plains around Tezpur but their newly established lines of communication across the mountains in NEFA would be difficult to hold against possible assaults by the Indian Air Force.

If only our leaders, whether political or military, had known what a ten-year-old Prussian prince was taught, the Indian Prime Minister need not have wept on All India Radio : "My heart goes out to the people of Assam et al. As soon as Tawang fell, we should have realised that the Chinese meant to humiliate us true and proper. We were not prepared in any way; neither weapons nor heavy woollen clothes for the soldiers nor the placement of troops."

The obvious answer was for us to quickly withdraw to the plains around Tezpur and wait for the Chinese. There, we could fight them on level ground with their lines of communication extended and ours shorter. The tragic events of October 1962 are so fixed in my memory that I cannot help being convinced that we are not so much a culture of non-violence Gandhi preached but a civilisation blissfully innocent of war and peace being the two inescapable faces of life.

If India wishes to learn its lessons from the Chinese aggression and subsequent experiences, its Government should devote some time and energy to evolving a grand strategy. It must give as much weight to domestic Islamists, Maoists and the infiltrators from Bangladesh as to external adversaries. The first step that needs to be completed is a settlement with Beijing; China is beyond the capacity of New Delhi to defeat. As expressed by the great Lee Kuan Yew of Singapore in a recent interview on the CNN, China's new priority for decades to come is to become the greatest economic power. It would therefore avoid any conflict with other countries as it could divert its national energies. China is likely to give up all claims in Arunachal Pradesh provided it gets what it wants in Aksai Chin.

Thereafter, New Delhi would find it much easier to deal with its other neighbours as well as domestic enemies which includes those in the Kashmir Valley. With global warming, rising sea level and shrinking land mass, migrants are likely to willy-nilly flow out of Bangladesh, thus adding to potential Islamists. On this subject, it is difficult to find an authority greater than Dr BR Ambedkar. What he asserted in 1940 deserves to be reiterated even today. (His book : Thoughts on Pakistan, 1940, Thackers, Bombay and reprinted by Govt of Maharashtra 1990).

Should the Muslims be without and against or should they be within and against? If the question is asked of any prudent man, there will be only one answer that if Muslims are to be against Hindus, it is better that they should be without and against, rather than within and against. Indeed, it is a consummation devoutly to be wished that Muslims should be without. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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<b>Indian troops drinking military into the red </b>
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Lt Gen Raj Kadyan, Chairman of Indian Ex-Servicemen Movement. Leading Ex servicemen in a pre-announced, silent and peaceful hunger strike on 20 October 2008 to highlight the demands of over two million retired military pensioners, he along with 200 Ex Servicemen that included 12 ladies, were illegally muscled into police vans and taken to the police station to be detained. The incident took place in the heart of New Delhi but attracted almost zero media coverage. Where are our priorities?"

1.  We the Veteran Defence Forces Personnel appeal to our worthy members of the Press to kindly cover the events of our Movement extensively. The people of the country need to be informed about the illtreatment of their Military by the Govt.  All members of the media were given the prior information about the Relay Hunger Strike by the Military Veterans at the Lawns of India Gate where our only memorial Amar Jawan Jyoti exists.  Except Head Lines Today and NDTV, no other member of the media was there to cover this the important event of national interest.  The morale of the Defence Forces Personnel both serving and veterans has been    undermined by their degradation and down gradation of status, respects, self esteem and emoluments. 

2.  Lt Gen Raj Kadyan had written to the Home Minister regardingour planned Relay Hunger Strike five weeks before the event with copies to the Hon'ble Prime Minister and Defence Minister.  This action of the Govt is highly deplorable wherein Senior Defence Officers and ladies were arrested for sitting on peaceful Relay Hunger Strike.  This is probably the 1st time in the History of India the Govt has treated its Defence Personnel so shabbily. 

3.  This action of the Govt needs to be condemned Nation wide.  We appeal to the media to publicize this unholy and illegal action of the Govt.  Let the people of India hold the Govt of India accountable for this action.  The least the Govt should do is to appologise for this action and immediately allow the Ex Servicemen to hold peaceful and disciplined Hunger Strike at India Gate Lawns a place very sacred to them. 

4.  We request you to kindly play your rightful role as a strong pillar of democracy in India.  You are requested to kindly take up this issue in your paper/TV Channel. 

Jai Hind 

With Kind Regards, 

Yours Sincerely, 

Maj Gen Satbir Singh, SM

Vice Chairman Indian ESM Movement (IESM)

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Christoislamiterrorist govt hard at work:
http://rajeev2004.blogspot.com/2008/10/con...eventually.html
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Congress's hidden agenda to eventually unravel Indian Armed Forces</b>
oct 28th, 2008

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From: Naresh

A Dangerous Imbalance

A Callous State, An Apathetic Society and Disgruntled Soldiers. The
discontent over the Pay Commission recommendations is just one of the
manifestations of unprecedented turmoil and dissatisfaction in the
armed forces ......

Harsh V. Pant

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A Callous State, An Apathetic Society and Disgruntled Soldiers. The discontent over the Pay Commission recommendations is just one of the manifestations of unprecedented turmoil and dissatisfaction in the armed forces  ......
Harsh V. Pant


The discord between the armed services and the Indian government over the Sixth Pay Commission recommendations took a new turn recently when the Army and the Navy decided to defy the government and delay the implementation of the revised salaries till the pay anomalies are sorted out. This happened even as the government was trying to assert its authority with the defence minister categorically informing the three service chiefs that the armed forces cannot unilaterally decide not to implement the decision of the union cabinet. The government is within its right to see the sending out of unclassified signals by the Navy and the Army as a breach of discipline with the some serious broader ramifications. The unprecedented decision of the military chiefs to not notify the cabinet order on the pay commission will have some significant long-term implications.

Though it might be tempting to view the present turmoil in civil-military relations primarily as a dispute over some technicalities in the Pay Commission recommendations, something much more substantial is at stake here. The Navy chief let the cat out of the bag when he suggested that the real issue in the dispute is the command and control relationship between the officers of the armed forces and their civilian counterparts. More than ever, the balance between the Indian state, the Indian society and the nation’s military institutions is out of kilter. This can have grave implications if the equilibrium is not promptly restored because only nations which are successful in evolving a properly balanced pattern of civil-military relations succeed in their search for security while those who fail merely end up squandering their limited resources and put at risk their national security.

A state makes a sacred contract with its soldiers that while they will lay down his/her life when called upon to do so, the nation will take good care of their and their family's needs to the extent its resources would permit. This contract underpins the very survival of a nation as when its territorial integrity and political independence are under threat, the nation looks upon the only instrument that can protect it -- its armed forces. While all governments have to look for a considered bargain between their commitments and power and between power and resources, a responsible government will always be aware of the serious implications of not spending adequate resources on defence.

The debate as it has been made out to be in some quarters between defence and development is a spurious one. Unless adequate provisions are made for defence, no state will be able to pursue its developmental agenda. This is much more important for a country like India that faces a unique security environment with two of its 'adversaries' straddling it on two sides of its borders, problems on all sides of its periphery, and rising internal turmoil. Force remains the ultima ratio in international relations. Politics among nations is conducted in the brooding shadow of violence. Either a state remains able and willing to use force to preserve and enhance its interests or it is forced to live at the mercy of its militarily powerful counterpart.

The Indian society, meanwhile, remains apathetic on defence issues. It makes Kargil into a television spectacle, an opportunity for journalists to try to show off their temporary bravery by going to the frontlines for a few hours and getting the excitement of covering a war from the inside.

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And then when it is all over, when the soldiers have been interred into their graves, the society moves on to new and more exciting spectacles -- to our song and dance reality shows and saas-bahu sagas, oblivious to the everyday struggles of the nation’s soldiers on the frontlines.

Shunned by the larger society and ignored by the state, Indian armed forces today are witnessing unprecedented turmoil and dissatisfaction. The discontent over the Pay Commission recommendations is just one of the manifestations of this chaos. The armed forces feel they have never got their due from various pay commissions over the years but the government in its wisdom decided to keep the armed forces away from any representation in the latest Pay Commission. The dominance of bureaucrats meant that while the interests of the bureaucrats were well-recognised, the armed services once again ended up getting a raw deal. The discontent is so serious that some of the best and brightest in our services have refused to go for the Higher Command Courses and more and more are seeking an early retirement. Such turmoil within the ranks of any nation’s armed services should be a cause for concern but in the case of India that aspires to join the ranks of world’s major global powers this is a recipe for disaster.

There is a broader issue here about the Indian military’s growing disdain for their civilian masters and about their knowledge of defence issues. Indian political class lacks any substantive understanding of the role of force in the pursuit of national interests and projecting national values. Moreover, no independent civilian expertise on defence issues is present in India. One can find students writing their PhD theses on Mongolia’s foreign policy or domestic politics in Belize but hardly any research is encouraged on defence-related issues in Indian universities. As a result, one finds ex-servicemen monopolizing the discourse on national security and defence issues. They should certainly have an important voice on these matters but it should not be the only voice.

Yet it is not entirely clear if the top leadership of the armed forces is really up to the task of harmonizing the growing imbalance in civil-military relations. With their recent defiance, the military chiefs have merely tried to cover their flanks given the overwhelming resentment within their rank and file against the Pay Commission recommendations. While the Indian armed forces have often complained of the politico-bureaucratic nexus thwarting the rights of the defence services, the behavior of the top leadership of the armed services is in danger of being perceived as increasingly petty and bureaucratic itself.

Blaming the government for all the ills afflicting the defence sector seems to be becoming the default position within the ranks of the military and taking this too far can be really dangerous for the liberal democratic ethos of this nation. The state is responsible for the allocation of resources among important societal values of which military security is but one. Moreover, Indian armed forces need fundamental reforms, a restructuring that enables them to operate with utmost efficiency in a rapidly evolving domestic and global context. Amid all the hoopla surrounding the pay commission, it is important to remember that India is losing some precious time by continuing with a defence policy that remains mired in a time-warp. And the onus is on the armed forces leadership to give the Indian defence policy a new direction, a trajectory that does justice to India’s rising stature in the global inter-state hierarchy.

The military exists to serve the state but a military that lacks societal prestige and the attention of the state will not only endanger the security of the state but will also pose a challenge to the liberal societal values that we so love to espouse.It has become imperative now to get the balance between the Indian state, society and its military institutions right if India is to avoid the high costs that will inevitably follow if the present turmoil persists.

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An interesting item on India from Jane's latest issue

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Euronaval 2008: IAI and India aim for operational rotary-wing UAV
Jon Rosamond

The Alouette-based Naval Rotary Unmanned Air Vehicle (NRUAV) being developed jointly by Israel Aerospace Industries (IAI) and the Indian Navy (IN) could be operational in 2009, according to a source close to the programme.

Engineers have integrated the avionics from IAI's Heron fixed-wing UAV with the Aérospatiale ( HAL) SA 319B Chetak (Alouette III) airframe currently in Indian naval service.

Speaking to Jane's at Euronaval 2008 on 27 October, the source said: "We are testing two helicopters. We have started shore-based tests and ship-based tests will be starting soon. We believe that in one year [the system] will be operational."

NRUAV is intended to provide real-time intelligence, battle damage assessment and over-the-horizon targeting in a proven platform.

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And people thought it couldn't be done! "How to fall on both sides of your face <i>at once</i>" - lesson comes courtesy of 'Indian' christogovt.

http://www.newstrackindia.com/newsdetails/69
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Delhi, Fri, 27 Apr 2007 Sadiq Ali

April 27: <b>After their involvement in massive reconstruction projects in the country, Indian Army is ready to send its troops to Afghanistan to assist them in various training exercises carried by the armed forces. With that troopers seem to be going global.</b>

<b>Official sources from army headquarters here in New Delhi confirmed that the Indian Army might send few of its best men, with expertise in artillery, infantry and related disciples besides English language experts to Afghanistan next month.</b>
(But defending the poor Hindu Assamese from islamiterrorism is just not secular enough. They have to go and teach the Afghani islamaniacs who regularly - along with other aliens of the ummah - infiltrate into Kashmir. Army will be seeing them/the effects of their training arranged against them in Kashmir, I shouldn't wonder.)

After proper permission from the quarters, we are certainly looking forward to assist armed forces within Afghanistan, which might prove counter productive in checking Taliban activities�, said a top official on conditions of anonymity as.

As the country indulges in the reconstruction process of its ally during peaceful times, the experts are cautious and want the assistance to be limited to infrastructure rather than military help. â??Instead of getting involved in the maintenance of peace within the country, we should concentrate on reconstruction as it might create problems for us,â? said a former Indian ambassador to Afghanistan while talking to a news channel.

Before Russian invasion in 1979, Afghanistan was supposed to be closer to Hindu India than to Muslim Pakistan. After invasion the equation between Afghanistan with its neighbours observed a marked shift and the country moved closer to Pakistan than India, as the later is known as the traditional ally of Russia. During fierce fighting between Afghans, backed by U.S, through Pakistan and Russia, Pakistanâ??s military establishment played a vital role in arms training of Afghans.

After U.S forces dethroned Talibans and Hamid Karzai took over as the President of Afghanistan, the leader is interested in developing closer ties with India and never minces words while blaming Pakistan for supporting Taliban fugitives.

Till now, it was between Pakistan and U.S, but as India jumps into the training of armed forces of Afghanistan, loyalties and expectations might change and Indiaâ??s traditional rival â?? Pakistan, might feel the heat. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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A significant development off the coast of Africa

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Issue Date: Wednesday , November 12 , 2008
Navy saves vessel in pirate channel
OUR BUREAU AND PTI

New Delhi, Nov. 11: Indian Navy commandos descended from a chopper to save a pirate-besieged Indian ship off Somalia today, the force’s first action since they began patrolling the troubled waters last month.

The ship, MV Jag Arnav, with 20 sailors had crossed the Suez Canal when the pirates, on three speedboats and armed with automatic weapons, surrounded it in the Gulf of Aden around 10.30am, navy sources said, adding the site was 60 nautical miles off Aden.

The commandos were sent from a navy frigate, INS Tabar, which first got an SOS from a Saudi ship, NCC Thihama. As they repulsed the attack on the Saudi vessel, a second SOS came from Jag Arnav. The commandos then rushed to MV Jag Arnav, about 25 nautical miles away, and saved the Indian carrier, owned by Great Eastern Shipping Company.

“A helicopter with commandos was launched from the warship to prevent the pirates from boarding and hijacking the merchant vessel,” a navy official said. The pirates fled. Later, the warship reached the carrier and escorted it to safety.

The navy had deployed the warship on October 23 with powers to intervene if an Indian vessel was attacked. The move followed the hijacking of a Japanese vessel, Stolt Valor, with 18 Indian sailors on board, on September 15. The sailors are still being held hostage and their families have appealed to the Indian government to save them.

A large portion of India’s exports and imports passes through the Gulf of Aden, where piracy attacks have increased over the past few months.

Union shipping minister T.R. Baalu had written to defence minister A. K. Antony urging him to send naval warships to protect Indian merchant vessels.

The navy sources said the patrols were aimed at instilling confidence among the large number of sailors from India.

Today’s incident came a day after the hijacking of a tanker from the Philippines with a crew of 23 members not far from where Jag Arnav was saved.

Noel Choong, the head of the Kuala Lumpur-based International Maritime Bureau’s piracy reporting centre, said he “was aware” of today’s attack on the Indian vessel but added that he was “verifying with the ship”.

Choong said the tanker from Philippines was captured by pirates armed with rocket-propelled grenades. He said 83 such attacks had occurred off Somalia this year.

Nato has also sent warships to the region, one of the world’s busiest shipping channels, to help the US Navy in their anti-piracy patrols and to escort cargo vessels.

Many ships have fended off pirate attacks after seeking help from the coalition’s warships.


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<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Failure of the Army can lead to national catastrophe, endangering the survival of the Nation</b>
09/11/2008 03:07:01 

Emoluments of Army Officers

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<b>Did Indian Navy Sink Wrong Ship</b>?<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->BANGKOK, Thailand (Nov. 25) - Fourteen sailors are still missing from a Thai trawler that was sunk last week by the Indian navy as a suspected pirate ship, the vessel's owner said Tuesday.
One crewman was found alive after six days adrift in the Gulf of Aden, and one is confirmed dead, said Wicharn Sirichaiekawat, owner of the Ekawat Nava 5.

Last week, India's navy reported that the frigate INS Tabar had battled a pirate "mother vessel" in the gulf November 18, leaving the ship ablaze and likely sunk. Wicharn said that vessel was his ship, which was in the process of being seized by pirates when it came under fire.
Indian authorities insisted that their ship had acted against a pirate vessel which had threatened to attack the Tabar.
"We fired in self-defense and in response to firing upon our vessel. It was a pirate vessel in the international waters and its stance was aggressive," Commodore Nirad Sinha, a navy spokesman, told CNN. He said the ship the Tabar fired upon was laden with ammunition.
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Here goes India's credibility. Rest of World never trust India, Indian Government Babus lies, Babus in Indian Embassy behave like crooks, government falsify documents, investigation agency are jokers and judges are fraud.
Zero credibility, Now Indian Government is calling Indian Army is Hindu Terrorist Army. so remaining credibility in Manmohan Singh and SOnia's toilet along with them.
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While Rajeev2004blogspot have changed their opinion based on a Rediff article of Nov 26 that says the Thai ship hijacked by pirates was (no more than?) a Thai ship, DailyPioneer reports:

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->FRONT PAGE | Thursday, November 27, 2008 | Email | Print |

<b>India trashes Thai claim

Pioneer News Service | New Delhi

Somalia operation was against pirates and within rules of engagement: Navy</b>

As a major controversy erupted over the sinking of a 'pirate' ship by the Indian Navy in the Gulf of Aden on November 18, Thailand on Wednesday said the vessel belonged to a Thai company while India justified action against the ship.

The Indian Navy asserted that it had acted against a 'pirate' ship, saying the operation was well within the "rules of engagement". Defence Minister AK Antony said in Kochi that he had read the news reports and would look into it.

The Indian Navy warship INS Tabar had destroyed a "mother" vessel of the sea robbers in the pirate-infested Gulf of Aden after the buccaneers fired at the ship on the night of November 18. The warship also chased two speed boats, which took off from the vessel, and found one of them abandoned without anyone on board. The other boat carrying pirates managed to escape under the cover of darkness.

Defending the action, Navy chief Admiral Sureesh Mehta said on Wednesday that the "use of force was unavoidable." <b>Stating that his men followed the "rules of engagement" as the Indian Navy ship was threatened after the pirates fired on it, Mehta said, "All actions to hijack a ship or piracy will be pre-empted by the Navy on the high seas."</b>

Maintaining that the fire-fight took place long after the vessel was hijacked, the Navy chief said, "It is always difficult to take action once a ship is hijacked as the lives of crew are also at stake."

The Indian Navy officials also said the action was justified as the vessel at that point of time was under the command of pirates. The Thai ownership did not change the situation, they added.
Refuting the Thai company's claim that there was crew on board the sunken ship, they said the pirates would have used them as hostages and human shield. They also said the explosions which took place on the vessel after it was hit by the Indian Navy could only have been caused by explosives and ammunition and the INS Tabar saw many armed pirates on the vessel before the firing commenced.

The Thailand foreign ministry issued a note verbale to the Indian embassy in Bangkok, asking for certain "clarifications" over the incident. The note verbale was issued after a Thai company, Sirichai Fisheries, said on Tuesday that the sunken ship belonged to it and not to pirates. Moreover, the company claimed that there were 15 or 16 crew members on board the "Ekawat Nava " and there was no information about 14 of them.

The company reportedly identified its ship when one of the crew, who managed to jump out of the ship after it came under fire, was rescued after five days in the sea and narrated the incident. The Indian Navy, however, said here on Wednesday that there was no collateral damage.

The Kuala Lumpur-based International Maritime Bureau, which keeps a record of piracy on the high seas, confirmed that the vessel belonged to the Thai fishing company. It learnt about the hijacking and piracy around 8 am on November 18, it added. The Indian Navy intercepted the vessel around 7 pm that day and fired at the vessel around four hours later after numerous warnings to the vessel to stop for investigation went unheeded.

The Thailand Government's communication to India referred to media reports suggesting that out of several of its nationals on board the fishing trawler, five had gone missing after the operation by the INS Tabar and sought details from New Delhi in this regard.

Reacting to the reports, Indian Navy spokesman Commander Nirad Sinha said that "as far as we are India trashes Thai claim concerned, we acted against a pirate ship on the high seas". Giving details of the operation on November 18, the spokesman said the <b>INS Tabar had detected a suspect ship on the high seas and asked it to stop.

"It, however, continued to move while threatening to blow the vessel and the warship. We observed people with guns on the deck. They kept threatening us and fired. Our action was in response to their firing," the spokesman said.</b>

"The kind of explosives and ammunition, which was there on the vessel, proved that it was being held by pirates," Sinha said, adding, "We are convinced that we acted against pirates on the high seas." As regards reports that there were about 14 people on board who had died, the spokesman said the INS Tabar found no bodies.

Experts connected with the shipping industry also did not rule out the angle of insurance claim as a ship hijacked by pirates was entitled to claim.

Meanwhile, Antony said in Kochi that the Indian Navy was doing a commendable job to check the pirates from hijacking ships off Somalian coast, reports PTI.

Replying to a query on reports that INS Tabar had sunk a Thailand fishing vessel, taking it for a pirate mother ship in the Gulf of Aden, Antony said, "I have read about it in the newspapers and will look into the matter."<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--><b>The following is also Somali pirate news, all from this same month of November!</b>

Somali pirates are no joke, they're attacking up and down the region at this time.
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November 16, 2008, 6:09 pm
SEOUL (Reuters) - A Japanese cargo ship was seized by pirates off the coast of Somalia late on Saturday, South Korea's Yonhap news agency quoted Seoul's foreign ministry as saying on Sunday.
The cargo ship was carrying 23 sailors, including five South Koreans, Yonhap said.
Details on the pirates and the safety of the sailors were not immediately available, it said.
Heavily armed Somali gunmen have seized more than 30 vessels so far this year, making the busy shipping lanes through the Gulf of Aden the most dangerous in the world.
South Korea is considering dispatching a naval ship to the area to protect its vessels and sailors.
(Reporting by Angela Moon; Editing by Jeremy Laurence)<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Somalians should stay away from inconvertible countries like Thailand, Japan and India.

But this is just fine: Somalians seizing Saudi, Iranian and Yemeni vessels. Woohoo.
But slaver islamis get angry at enslaved islamis:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Somali pirates head out to sea after threats
8:29AM Wednesday Nov 26, 2008

Pirates have moved the seized Sirius Star further out to sea after threats from Islamic extremists. Photo / AP

<b>MOGADISHU - Pirates have moved a Saudi supertanker loaded with crude oil farther out to sea after an extremist Islamic group vowed to fight the bandits because they seized a Muslim-owned vessel, witnesses said.</b>
(African Islamis in trouble for having hijacked vessel of the 'superior' racist Arabislamis. Racist jeebusjehovallah is always angry at Africans and according to mad christoislamic theology/doctrine, the scary gawd put the curse of Ham and hence slavery and racism on them. The solution is to revert to African Traditions and be free again.)

Somali pirates seized the Sirius Star on Nov. 15 in their most audacious hijacking to date off the coast of this lawless country. The vessel is carrying two million barrels of crude oil worth about $100 million.

The British Broadcasting Corp. reported that they contacted a pirate on board the Sirius Star who said the ship owner has not contacted them and that they have not yet set a ransom.

The BBC said the pirate identified himself as Daybad.

"We captured the ship for ransom, of course, but we don't have anybody reliable to talk to directly about it," Daybad said. The captain of the Sirius Star, Marek Nishky, told the BBC he and his crew have no complaint and have been allowed to talk to their families.

On Friday, al-Shabab - the Islamic group at the centre of Somalia's deadly insurgency - vowed to fight the pirates.

Somali clan elder Abdisalan Khalif Ahmed said the ship moved Sunday to about 45 kilometres from its earlier location, putting it about 50 kilometres off the coast of the coastal village of Harardhere.

"Perhaps (the) pirates are afraid the Islamists in town will frustrate their efforts to resupply the ship," he said.

Yemen's government made latest hijacking announcement on Monday.

A security official in Yemen said on Tuesday that Somali pirates who hijacked the Yemeni cargo ship Adina in the Arabian Sea last week were asking for a $2 million ransom to release the ship. The cargo is construction material. The official asked not to be named because he is not allowed to speak to the media.

The police chief of Yemen's Hadramout province, Ahmed Mohammad al-Hamedi, said the ship is owned by a Yemeni company but is carrying a foreign flag, which he would not specify. He said there were three Yemenis, three Somalis and two Panamanians on board.

The Yemen ship was travelling between Mukalla, a port in southern Yemen, to the southern island of Suqutra, when it was hijacked.

Somalia, an impoverished nation caught up in an Islamic insurgency spearheaded by al-Shabab, has not had a functioning government since 1991.

There have been at least 96 pirate attacks so far this year in Somali waters, with 40 ships hijacked. Fifteen ships with nearly 300 crew are still in the hands of Somali pirates, who dock the hijacked vessels near the eastern and southern coast as they negotiate for ransom.

Shipping officials from around the world have called for a military blockade along Somalia's coast to intercept pirate vessels heading out to sea. The head of the International Association of Independent Tanker Owners, representing most of the world fleet, said that stronger naval action - including aerial support - was necessary to battle rampant piracy in the Gulf of Aden near Somalia.

But NATO, which has four warships off the coast of Somalia, rejected a blockade.

US Gen. John Craddock, NATO's supreme allied commander, said the alliance's mandate is solely to escort World Food Program ships to Somalia and to conduct anti-piracy patrols. NATO Secretary-General Jaap de Hoop Scheffer said that a blockade of ports was "not contemplated by NATO."

In neighbouring Kenya, the head of US military operations in Africa said he had no evidence that Somali pirates are connected to al-Qaida, but said the allegations are "a concern we all would have."

<b>Western governments have expressed concern that some pirate ransoms - some $30 million this year alone - could end up in the hands of extremists with links to terror groups in Somalia.</b><!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->After Somali Pirates took the Saudi Arabian supertanker very recently and an Iranian chartered ship shortly thereafter, now a Yemeni cargo ship in the following. I don't know why islamaniac dar-ul-islams of Arabia, Iran and Yemen are complaining: the African faithful are only getting their money back for centuries of slavery and looting at the hands of the faithful from the northern islamic lands:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Somali pirates hijack another ship
Reuters | Tuesday, 25 November 2008

<b>Somali pirates have hijacked a Yemen cargo ship in the Gulf of Aden, the day after pirates who seized a Saudi supertanker cut their ransom demand to $15 million.</b>

Andrew Mwangura, coordinator of the Kenya-based East African Seafarers' Assistance Programme, identified the Yemeni vessel as the MV Amani. No other details were immediately available.

<b>Word of the latest attack at sea came 10 days after gunmen from Somalia seized a Saudi supertanker in the largest hijacking in maritime history.</b>

The Nov. 15 capture of the Sirius Star – with $100 million of oil and 25 crew members from Britain, Poland, Croatia, Saudi Arabia and the Philippines – focused world attention on rampant piracy off the failed Horn of Africa state.

Scores of attacks this year have brought millions of dollars of ransom payments, hiked up shipping insurance costs, sent foreign navies rushing to the area, and left about a dozen boats with more than 200 hostages still in pirates' hands.
(West is unable to do anything about it. No wonder they don't believe Indian Navy could have done something....)

<b>Following the hijack of an Iranian-chartered ship last week, Iran's deputy transport minister was quoted as saying Tehran could use force if necessary against pirates.</b>

"Iran's view is that such issues should be confronted strongly," Deputy Transport Minister Ali Taheri was quoted as saying by the Ebtekar daily.

The pirate gang had originally been quoted as wanting $25 million (NZ$46.86 Million) to release the Sirius Star, which was captured far from Somali waters about 450 nautical miles southeast of Kenya.

But Islamist spokesman Abdirahim Isse Adow, whose men are in the Haradheere area where the ship is being held offshore, said the demand went down. "Middlemen have given a $15 million ransom figure for the Saudi ship. That is the issue now," he said.

Mwangura said his sources were confirming a reduced $15 million demand.

However, a pirate on board the ship told the BBC by telephone that "no company" had yet made contact with the hijackers, only people claiming to be intermediaries.

"These are people who cannot be trusted. We don't want to make contact with anyone who we can't trust," said the pirate, who called himself Daybad.

"We captured the ship for ransom, of course, but we don't have anybody reliable to talk to directly about it." He said that once real negotiations began they would seek "the usual asking price" but denied reports that they had been asking for a ransom of up to $25 million.

"That doesn't exist, there is nothing of the sort and we are warning radio stations and other people about broadcasting these unreliable stories," he said.

Residents say pirates have taken the ship further out to about 100km off the coast of central Somalia after Islamist militia poured into the town in search of the pirates.

Adow, who represents the Islamic Courts Union (ICU), says his men are out to confront the pirates and free the Sirius Star because it is a "Muslim" ship. But residents say other Islamist militia want a cut of any ransom payment.

The pirate Daybad said the ship's crew were "fine" and had been allowed to contact their families, a fact also confirmed to the BBC by the Sirius Star's Polish captain.

"I would say there is not a reason for complaints," the captain said.

The capture of the ship has stirred up the small dusty harbour of Haradheere into a frenzy of activity, witnesses say, with armed men riding back and forth on cars all over town.

<b>The Islamists, who have been fighting the Somali government and its Ethiopian military allies for two years, denounce piracy in public. But analysts say some factions are taking a share of spoils and using pirates to enable weapons deliveries by sea.</b>

Senior Somali officials are also on the take from piracy, diplomats in the region say. The government denies that.

Piracy has flourished off Somalia thanks to chaos onshore. The nation of 9 million people has suffered perpetual civil conflict since 1991 when warlords toppled a dictator.

<b>More than a dozen foreign warships are in the area, though analysts say the range Somali pirates operate in are too vast to ever properly control.</b><!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
There is something almost delightful in reading about the exasperation of the western superpowers - with their big guns and big ships - to do anything against a band of Somali "third world" pirates:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Somali pirates seize giant Saudi oil tanker
Updated at 8:36pm on 18 November 2008

<b>The United States navy says the hijacking of a giant Saudi oil tanker in the Indian Ocean by Somali pirates is unprecedented and marks a fundamental shift in their capabilities.</b>

The Sirius Star is carrying its full load of 2 million barrels - more than a quarter of Saudi Arabia's daily output. Its international crew of 25 is said to be unharmed. The ship is the biggest yet seized by Somali pirates.

It was attacked 800 kilometres off the coast of East Africa and is now on a course towards the port of Eyl in northern Somalia. It was sailing under the Liberian flag at the time.

<b>The chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff, Admiral Mike Mullen, says the pirates are well trained.

Attacks on shipping off the Horn of Africa and Kenya by pirates, who are mostly Somali, prompted foreign navies to send warships to the area this year.</b>
("They are well-trained" said US Joint Chiefs of Staff, Admiral Mike Mullen, "Us US navies were outnumbered, outgunned, outmanned, outmanoevred, outflanked, outperformed, out-thought, .... It was like 10 against one - no no, a <i>Hundred</i> against one. Yeah, that was how it was. Else we would <i>really</i> have won you know..." Sure <!--emo&Big Grin--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo--> )

Figures from the International Maritime Bureau show that attacks in the area - the Gulf of Aden and the Indian Ocean off the African coast - made up a third of all piracy incidents worldwide in 2008.

In the first nine months of the year, 63 incidents were reported. As of 30 September, 12 ships remained captive and under negotiation, with more than 250 crew being held hostage.

The 330-metre ship is owned by the Saudi company Aramco and was built in South Korea's Daewoo shipyards. It made its maiden voyage in March 2008.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Somali pirates transform villages into boomtowns

Thu, 20 Nov 2008 9:19p.m.
<b>Somalia's increasingly brazen pirates are building sprawling stone houses, cruising in luxury cars, marrying beautiful women - even hiring caterers to prepare Western-style food for their hostages.</b>
(Oooh. Someone's jealous. It's only unfair when the "Hamitics" do the looting, is it?)

And in an impoverished country where every public institution has crumbled, they have become heroes in the steamy coastal dens they operate from because they are the only real business in town.
(Well, keep pirating christoislamaniac vessels. But stay away from those of Hindu India and Buddhist Thailand and Shinto-Buddhist Japan.)

"The pirates depend on us, and we benefit from them," said Sahra Sheik Dahir, a shop owner in Harardhere, the nearest village to where a hijacked Saudi Arabian supertanker carrying $100 million in crude was anchored.
[...]
But in northern coastal towns like Harardhere, Eyl and Bossaso, the pirate economy is thriving thanks to the money pouring in from pirate ransoms that have reached $30 million this year alone.

"There are more shops and business is booming because of the piracy," said Sugule Dahir, who runs a clothing shop in Eyl. "Internet cafes and telephone shops have opened, and people are just happier than before."

<b>In Harardhere, residents came out in droves to celebrate as the looming oil ship came into focus this week off the country's lawless coast.</b>

Businessmen gathered cigarettes, food and cold bottles of orange soda, setting up kiosks for the pirates who come to shore to resupply almost daily.

<b>Dahir said she even started a layaway plan for them.</b>
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"They always take things without paying and we put them into the book of debts," she told The Associated Press in a telephone interview. "Later, when they get the ransom money, they pay us a lot."

Residents make sure the pirates are well-stocked in khat, a popular narcotic leaf, and are not afraid to gouge a bit when it comes to the pirates' deep pockets.

"I can buy a packet of cigarettes for about $1 but I will charge the pirate $1.30," said Abdulqadir Omar, an Eyl resident.

While pirate villages used to have houses made of corrugated iron sheets, now, there are stately looking homes made of sturdy, white stones.

"Regardless of how the money is coming in, legally or illegally, I can say it has started a life in our town," said Shamso Moalim, a 36-year-old mother of five in Harardhere.

"Our children are not worrying about food now, and they go to Islamic schools in the morning and play soccer in the afternoon. They are happy."
(Like I said, these islamics can keep stealing the ships of the islamaniacs of Saudi Arabia and Yemen and Iran and it'll be just peachy by me.)

The attackers generally treat their hostages well in anticipation of a big payday, hiring caterers on shore to cook spaghetti, grilled fish and roasted meat that will appeal to Western palates.

And when the payday comes, the money sometimes literally falls from the sky.

Pirates say the ransom arrives in burlap sacks, sometimes dropped from buzzing helicopters, or in waterproof suitcases loaded onto skiffs in the roiling, shark-infested sea.

"The oldest man on the ship always takes the responsibility of collecting the money, because we see it as very risky, and he gets some extra payment for his service later," Aden Yusuf, a pirate in Eyl, told AP over VHF radio.

The pirates use money-counting machines - the same technology seen at foreign exchange bureaus worldwide - to ensure the cash is real. All payments are done in cash because Somalia has no functioning banking system.

"Getting this equipment is easy for us, we have business connections with people in Dubai, Nairobi, Djibouti and other areas," Yusuf said. "So we send them money and they send us what we want."

Despite a beefed-up international presence, the pirates continue to seize ships, moving further out to sea and demanding ever-larger ransoms. The pirates operate mostly from the semiautonomous Puntland region, where local lawmakers have been accused of helping them and taking a cut of the ransoms.

For the most part, however, the regional officials say they have no power to stop piracy.

Meanwhile, towns that once were eroded by years of poverty and chaos are now bustling with restaurants, Land Cruisers and Internet cafes. Residents also use their gains to buy generators - allowing full days of electricity, once an unimaginable luxury in Somalia.

<b>There are no reliable estimates of the number of pirates operating in Somalia, but they number in the thousands. And though the bandits do sometimes get nabbed, piracy is generally considered a sure bet to a better life.

NATO and the US Navy say they can not be everywhere, and American officials are urging ships to hire private security. Warships patrolling off Somalia have succeeded in stopping some pirate attacks. But military assaults to wrest back a ship are highly risky and, up to now, uncommon.</b>
(Would explain why AOL in Mudy's post above is sour that the Indian navy seemed to have stood their ground rather well - apparently an act only superior Amerikkkan forces are allowed to perform.)<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Why is it daylight robbery only when Africans do it? What did the christoBritish do in Africa and India? What did the catholic christoBelgians do to Rwanda and Congo? How much money the islamaniacs of Arabia and christoterrorists of Europe and America made from the sale of African flesh. And now they have the gall to whine that a country in Africa is getting richer by illegally profiting from Amero-Eurabian and christoislamaniac money? Hahahahahah, Somalian piracy is a sure way to deal with christowestern-islamic double-standards. Good.
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<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Indian navy Captures 23 Pirates</b>
Indian Navy has captured 23 pirates (news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7781436.stm) in the Gulf of Aden.
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<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Indian navy captures 23 pirates</b>
December 14, 2008, 7:31 am
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The Indian navy captured 23 pirates who threatened a merchant vessel in the lawless waters of the Gulf of Aden and a German naval helicopter has thwarted another attack on a freighter being chased by speedboats off Yemen.

The successes on Saturday came days before Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice was to ask the United Nations to authorise "all necessary measures" against increasingly bold Somalian pirates operating in one of the world's busiest shipping lanes.

An Indian navy ship, the INS Mysore, was escorting merchant ships in waters off Somalia's coast on Saturday when it received a distress call from seamen on board the MV Gibe, who said they were being fired on by two boats that were approaching fast.

The Mysore and its helicopter sped to the scene, and the pirate boats attempted to escape when they saw them, according to a statement from the Indian government.

Indian marine commandos boarded the pirate boats and seized "a substantial cache of arms and equipment", including seven AK-47 assault rifles, three machine guns, a rocket-propelled grenade launcher and other weapons, the statement said. They also found a GPS receiver and other equipment.

The pirates were from Somalia and Yemen, two countries on the coast of the Gulf of Aden. The Gibe was flying an Ethiopian flag but little else was known about it, the Indian statement said.

Somali pirates have become increasingly brazen and recently seized a Saudi supertanker loaded with $US100 million ($A148.88 million) of crude oil. Many of the vessels are taken to pirate-controlled regions in Somalia, where they are held for ransom.

Also on Saturday, a German military spokesman said a navy frigate had chased away pirates in speedboats pursuing an Ethiopian freighter off the coast of Yemen.

The German frigate responded to a distress call from the freighter, and a helicopter took off from the deck to investigate. The pirates turned away from the freighter as the helicopter flew overhead, said the spokesman, who declined to give his name in line with military policy.

An estimated 1,500 pirates are based in Somalia's semiautonomous Puntland region, raking in millions of dollars.

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice will present a draft Security Council resolution next week asking the United Nations to authorise "all necessary measures" against piracy from Somalia.

However, the commander of the US Navy's 5th Fleet expressed doubt on Friday about the wisdom of launching attacks against Somali pirates on land, as the draft proposes.

US Vice Admiral Bill Gortney told reporters that it is difficult to identify pirates, and the potential for killing innocent civilians "cannot be overestimated".<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Army still not in war gear</b>
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Rahul Datta | New Delhi
<b>Ordering acquisition of weaponry not sufficient</b><!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Bribe time, deal will be useful to fill Terrorist supporting Congress Party purse.
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<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>kkkangress success story: once-proud army almost wiped out</b>
jan 22nd, 2009

see, now they can say j nehru was prescient: he said india didn't need
an army, and so the kkkangress has destroyed india's army and made
that a self-fulfilling prophesy.

what a buffoon the blighter was!

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From: Naresh


Like a termite destroys a beautiful house so is this shameless
anti-national Congi-Commie gang with extra-territorial loyalties doing
to our Hindusthan's defense forces & finally the nation.

Naresh Khanna

Got nothing in defence, Army fails to woo talent

Vishal Thapar

CNN-IBN

TOUGH JOB: Having to stay away from the family is one of the biggest
demoralisers.

New Delhi: It was a New Year shocker for the nation — a handful of
terrorists holed up in a jungle at Poonch in Jammu and Kashmir held
out against a battalion of the Indian Army for a week before slipping
past the security cordon early January.

Is the motivation of the Army which has famously done battle from
Flanders to Ferozpur finally getting frayed?

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The army itself is to also be blamed for being such a stagnant organization that still has rules regarding recruitment and retention from British colonial times.
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<b>ek machar aadmi ko hijraa bana deta hai</b>
-Nana Patekar
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For Information about the cost of "Defence" Equipment :

<b>Newest warship arrives in home port</b>

<b>The Royal Navy's newest warship, <span style='font-size:14pt;line-height:100%'>built at a cost of £650 million*, has sailed into its home port for the first time.</span></b>

HMS Daring, the world's most advanced destroyer, was officially handed over to the Navy last month after work was completed at the BVT Surface Fleet's Scotstoun shipyard on the Clyde, Scotland.

The 7,350-tonne ship will be the first of the Royal Navy's series of six Type 45 destroyers.

Daring was met at Portsmouth Naval Base, Hampshire, by a 15-gun salute as well as by families and friends of the ship's company.

Hundreds of members of public also lined the harbour walls to welcome the ship.

The ship features the latest propulsion, anti-aircraft weapon and stealth technology.

The Type 45 destroyers have nearly twice the range - about 7,000 miles - and are 45 per cent more fuel-efficient than the Type 42 destroyers they are replacing in the £6 billion project.

It is capable of sailing 3,000 nautical miles, operating for three days and returning home without the need to refuel.

The ships are to be armed with a new hi-tech missile system renamed as the Sea Viper, formerly known as the Principal Anti-Air Missile System (Paams).

The Sea Viper system, in conjunction with the ship's Sampson Radar system, is capable of tracking hundreds of targets as far as 250 miles away and engaging up to ten of them simultaneously.

Daring can operate various helicopters, including the Chinook, embark 60 Royal Marines and is able to accommodate up to 700 people as part of an emergency evacuation.

It has a crew of 191 and generates enough electricity from its gas and diesel engines to power a city the size of Leicester.

Daring was launched from BVT's facility in Scotstoun by the Countess of Wessex in January 2006.

Since then it has undergone three sets of contractor sea trials.

It will now undertake an intensive sea trials programme for the rest of the year, with a formal commissioning ceremony due to take place in the summer with a target of formal acceptance into service by late 2010.

<b><span style='font-size:14pt;line-height:100%'>* :</span></b> Thats a cool Billion U S Dollars.

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<b>Gallantry Awards: need for common yardstick</b>
Surjit Singh
02 Feb 2009
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<!--emo&Sad--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo--> An army sepoy who retired before 1996 gets a monthly pension of Rs.3,670. But one who retired between 1996 and December 2005 gets Rs.4,680. A sepoy who retired after January 2006 gets Rs.8,700.

Effectively then, an army havildar, who retired earlier, gets pension money that is less than that of a sepoy retiring after January 2006 though the havildar enjoys a higher rank. The mismatch applies to all ranks.

"Most IAS (Indian Administrative Service) officers, judges, governors
, MPs and even the president enjoy this right (of one rank one pension)," pointed out one retired soldier.

The government has rejected the 'one rank one pension' demand, saying that it will entail huge financial costs.

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