Progressive Duplicity and moral policing

02-06-2009, 04:38 AM

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Pub_bha...how/4083214.cms

QUOTETurning the iconic freedom struggle slogan â jail bharoâ on its head, Minister of State for Women and Child Development since Renuka Choudhary on Thursday suggested that the only way to tackle the moral police was to launch a â pub bharo andolanâ. 

Renukaji, I would also suggest hookah-bar-bharo-andolan, rojke-5-patiala-peg-piyo-andolan, one-night-stand-andolan, topless-bars-bharo-andolan, PDA-andolan, beef-khao-andolan, pork-mat-khao-andolan, hashish-peeyo-andolan.

Still i dont understand this - who are these statements targetted towards ? Is this politically a big deal in Karnataka ? Or anywhere in India ? Or is this to scare some outsiders ? Or just a storm in teacup ?

02-06-2009, 07:05 AM

It is just the congressman's secular diversionary tactics feeding to the frenzy of the sickular press practiced with singular success for years. Renuka couldn't be in the limelight any other way, could she? Oh! She loves it!

02-06-2009, 02:26 PM

Pramod Muthalik is a Congress plant.

ravish · 02-07-2009, 12:43 AM

Rajesh ji â I am not aware in which part of India you stay, but it is a sad reality that in todayâs urban India, western way of life has already made a deep impression. The conflict of culture that we see in Mangalore is the true picture of the urban youth of the day. It is true that the degree of influence of the Western culture in the mind of the youth is obviously not uniform. A few are still conservative in their outlook and behaviour while a few are in the middle unable to decide which way to go. Yet there is another group which has transformed itself completely.

The current political fallout from the Mangalore event is rather a politically motivated public disorder rather than the venting of spontaneous anger by the urban youths themselves. Prior to the general election, perhaps some small time political leader thought it to be a good idea to create some news with some new issue. He had not realised that no big time political outfit of the nation would like to come out in support of his noble cause. The reason is very simple, all political parties would like to have the urban upward mobile youths on their side of the political camp.

In the run up to the next general elections , the BJP and its close associates have also realised that the Hindu card alone is not going to provide any solid vote bank. What ever solid base that the BJP earlier enjoyed amongst the business community has also eroded over the years , more so due to the infighting on the question of leadership within the party. The foreign origin of the Congress President is also not going to reflect on the electoral fortunes of any political party.

Under these circumstances, the final outcome of the next general election remains totally unclear as of date.

02-07-2009, 01:24 AM

Minister of State for Women and Child Development since Renuka Choudhary is crazy woman, a complete pinhead, here are her achievements , enjoy it -

Renuka in dowry battle - She was abusing her own daughter in-laws

QUOTECourt orders framing of charges against Renuka
NEW DELHI: A city court has ordered framing of charges against tourism minister Renuka Choudhary in a 12-year-old case.Â
Choudhary was accused of beating up a traffic cop who stopped her from taking a road which was closed due to security reasons for the PM's motorcade. The court has fixed March 15 for framing of charges.

"A prima facie case under Sections 332 (voluntarily causing hurt to deter public servant from his duty) and 353 (assault or criminal force to deter public servant from discharge of his duty) of IPC is made out against Renuka Choudhary," it said.

'No evidence against Arjun Singh'QUOTEUnion Minister of Women and Child Development Renuka Choudhary came out in defence of her senior cabinet colleague Arjun Singh against whom a dowry harassment complaint has been filed.
she threatens to put a domestic violence case against Karan Thapar and says an ominously advises "Be Careful" at the end of the interview

Above are criminal ministers of Indian Government currently UPA Congress Party is a ruling party/Dictator/Abuser.
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ramana · 02-07-2009, 03:45 AM

She used to be mayor of Hyderabad and was quite a beer drinker per her colleagues. She is crook. Its due to her that Indian Army did not complete procurement of Denel 155mm guns.

02-07-2009, 04:27 AM

Ravishji, I havent been to Bangalore and Delhi recently, but from little that I understand, seriously doubt if pub-bharo andolans would be a good political gimmick.

I would be really interested in seeing any major political party take any major stand in favor of opening and flourishing of pubs. Renukaji will have (for eg) problems in explaining this to people who took out rally opposing the danish cartoons - their main constituency. Thats why i was really surprised to see Renukaji talking of making an andolan out of this. Her colleague Ramadoss wants to ban public smoking and Renukaji is advocating pub-bharo andolan !!

I think media had positioned it very well (in terms of INC) to concentrate on violence against women and ignoring the pub part. But I think Renukaji went one step further and wants to make an andolan out of this. Not sure how prudent this is politically. More stmts like this from her and INC will have problems.

Bodhi · (This post was last modified: 02-07-2009, 08:30 PM by Bodhi.)

Those who consider "pub" to be a western influence on bhArata are ill-informed. For several centuries Hindus have enjoyed their maNDapas, and yes women from decent families could visit these taverns too. Many an important transactions have been executed over sessions of maNDa in ancient India.

ramana · 02-08-2009, 12:24 AM

QUOTE(Bodhi @ Feb 7 2009, 02:47 PM)Those who consider "pub" to be a western influence on bhArata are ill-informed.Â For several centuries Hindus have enjoyed their maNDapas, and yes women from decent families could visit these taverns too.Â Many an important transactions have been executed over sessions of maNDa in ancient India.
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Anti liquor and false modesty are all from islamic control of the populations. Everything is haraam.

**acharya** · (This post was last modified: 02-08-2009, 01:35 AM by acharya.)

QUOTE(ravish @ Feb 6 2009, 07:13 AM)Rajesh ji â I am not aware in which part of India you stay, but it is a sad reality that in todayâs urban India, western way of life has already made a deep impression. The conflict of culture that we see in Mangalore is the true picture of the urban youth of the day. It is true that the degree of influence of the Western culture in the mind of the youth is obviously not uniform. A few are still conservative in their outlook and behaviour while a few are in the middle unable to decide which way to go. Yet there is another group which has transformed itself completely.


Mangalore area is still conservative. There is only one street in Mangalore - Hampankatta road and other than that road the town is still like a village.
It is still a small town with old worldy atmosphere. Some of the most famous temples are around this town which attract religious tourists.

But Mangalore had bars and clubs even in 1960s and 1970s. MotiMahal Hotel was known to have dancing and bar girls even in 1970s. But all these were done discreetly before out of the major public eye. So public did not see it as a nuisence.

After late 1990s Influx of money and city life style is creating social tension in a conservative region.

QUOTEThe current political fallout from the Mangalore event is rather a politically motivated public disorder rather than the venting of spontaneous anger by the urban youths themselves.

Do you know Mangalore? Have you interacted in Mangalore to find out what is the real situation.

02-08-2009, 05:20 AM

Bodhiji, I am not sure how that matters. Anyway all this somehow reminded me of an old article from sulekha.

http://lykos-magee.sulekha.com/blog/post/2...ivilization.htm

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Coming back to thread topic, Renukaji again deploring the Talibanization of Karnataka Society.

http://specials.rediff.com/news/2009/feb/0...ar-of-words.htm

She has got strong opinion against Taliban it seems. INC's muslim constituency is not going to like this.

02-08-2009, 08:48 AM

QUOTE(ramana @ Feb 7 2009, 03:45 AM)She used to be mayor of Hyderabad and was quite a beer drinker per her colleagues. She is crook. Its due to her that Indian Army did not complete procurement of Denel 155mm guns.
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02-09-2009, 10:01 AM

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Bangalo...how/4093438.cms
QUOTEBangalore : Another minister in Yeddyurappa's government has added fuel to the moral policing fire. Mumtaz Ali Khan said pub culture and couples courting in public is un-Islamic and against Indian culture.

According to him, he was speaking as a social scientist and not as part of the government on the pub attack and assault on Kerala MLA's daughter.

"Islam does not permit boys and girls to mix or encourage pub culture. But we have cases of girls who are staying in hostels, some who have come from outside Karnataka, lying to their guardians and indulging in such actions. I had such a bitter experience myself," he told STOI.

He then narrated his brief story: he was the guardian of a girl who lied to her father about her visits. Finally, when the hostel management asked her to leave, he did not support her case. 

Renukaji, now says Jats dont mind their daughters going to pubs. She speaks for Dara Singh. Also has some ideas on how to raise children.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/StoryPage/St...he+debate+is+on

QUOTESo what, in your view, is the culturally right way to raise children in India?

An open system, where children are encouraged to come and tell the truth, unafraid. I donât buy this âParents are a childâs best friendâ thing. A child needs best friends from his peer group. A parent helps a child transit lifeâs preparatory phases. Youth will try to break the rules. Either we opiate them through teenage or we build up their self-esteem enough to be self-regulatory, to find the courage to say âNoâ or âThatâs Enoughâ.

Youâre vice-president of the Jat Mahasabha and Dara Singh (former wrestler) is president. What would a Jat do if he saw girls in a pub?

Jats are so confident of their masculinity, theyâd be supremely indifferent.

Nirmala Venkatesh, member NCW interview.

http://www.rediff.com/news/2009/feb/04-ban...he-solution.htm

QUOTEAre you giving the Sene a clean chit in this incident? You seem to be more focused on the pub owner.

Of course, not. Those who are involved in this incident need to be dealt with severely. A molester has to be dealt with an iron fist and needs to be imprisoned. We don't have strong laws to deal with molesters. It is still a bailable offence and we are approaching the Supreme Court and will seek its intervention.

What is your take on pub culture?

Pub culture? What is that? Don't [Images] call it pub culture. Going to a pub is a habit and it can never be part of a culture. Like some people like gambling, some like hanging out in pubs.

ravish · 02-09-2009, 04:02 PM

The undercurrent of the events seen in Mangalore is just symbolic of the nature of contradictions that are faced by the urban youth of India. It has to be seen in a much wider canvas rather than through the happenings of events in some isolated places. Today, it has happened in Mangalore, tomorrow it may happen in Jaipur or Bhopal. We have to address the fundamental point of conflict.
In an open society, people do enjoy certain latitude as far as social interaction is concerned. In the traditional Indian society young women generally used to keep themselves engaged within ladies groups. Even interaction with men was within certain parameters. The spread of western education and the influence of western TV Print and Electronic media have brought in profound influence on the mind of urban young India. The flow is accelerating and soon the influence of the West may bring in fundamental changes in our social customs and values. The happenings in Mangalore may be a politically motivated action for some media attention, but we cannot deny the fact that the wider change in our social customs is actually taking place. The so called pub culture is rather only one of the manifestations of this whole change that is taking place.
Criticizing certain individuals for being pro or anti pub culture is not going to resolve the wider social issue. No individual alone is responsible for what is happening and it is futile to give a political color to the whole issue. It is not going to fetch any number of votes to any of the major political formations in the next general election . Very wisely the BJP has distances itself from the entire affair.

02-09-2009, 08:04 PM

QUOTE Today, it has happened in Mangalore, tomorrow it may happen in Jaipur or Bhopal. 
What about yesterday - remember Hyderabad? It's well known that 'secular-memory' shunts out inconvenient news items like elected members of AP assembly slapping Taslima in full view of camera without any repercussions at all - in fact they were hailed a moral conscience of the community! So what can one expect out of street goons? In Taslima's case victim was chased out of the country by those very people who are today shedding crocodile tears in Mangalore.

So I say, easy on wailing and chest thumping for those pub goers in Mangalore, they don't stand a chance if international celebrities like Taslima didn't have anyone to stand up for her. This happens every day while our government sleeps at center and our naive public respond to sound-bytes by well co-ordinated media footage fed to gullible kinds.

Next Sat is Valentine's day and we'll see same tamasha over one set of fools burning greeting cards and another set thumping their chests over burnt cards.

Acharya: You are right when you state people without any knowledge of Mangalore are commenting on it. It's well known that this bunch of goons have been anti-BJP and have fielded candidates against BJP in elections. Our late-latif-tubelights are now clapping for BJP distancing from this outfit - that's the real news.

02-09-2009, 11:00 PM

Since when "pub" is a "culture", am I missing something.
Idiot minister of India was saying "Pub bahro andolan" tomorrow she will come in favor of rapist and will say " Rape karo andolan"

Slapping Taslima in front of camera is symbol of Muslim right in India to abuse women and this right should be protected, sign of secularism. Let this slapping should happen in Jaipur, Bhopal and other town, this is sign of progress and modernisation.

Drawing nude Hindu Goddess is sign of progress and drwaing nude Fatima or Ayesha will be Muslim rights to kill Hindus or riots.

02-09-2009, 11:57 PM

Mudyji, R R Patil was UPA's deputy CM of Maharashtra (resigned after 26/11) and his only achievement while on that post was (a) shutting down bar-girls and (b) raising stink about skin-clad cheerleaders during IPL matches.

Where was Renuka and her apologists then? No concerns about thousands of bar-girls being on street without legitimate source of income? No "bar-bharo" andolans by this Hon minister for women's affairs? What happened then?
Without getting into the moral/economic issues, it seems like UPA wants different rules for BJP run states versus states they run. Forget Renuka's 'long rope' to Yedduriappa, he'll always get short end of the stick from UPA as long as he's BJP CM.

02-10-2009, 06:24 AM

Ravishji

Its probably too late to say it should not be politicized. Renukaji definitely thinks it can be politicized and she is a minister in the union government.

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http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Bangalo...how/4102890.cms

QUOTEThis Valentineâs Day, in a move that is meant to leave Pramod Mutalik and his ilk red-faced, a campaign is on to gift them with carton loads of pink chaddis!

QUOTENisha Susan, a features writer with a magazine, started this blog with the idea that it could be a forum where people could express their concern and views â particulary the disgust they feel over the recent turn of events. âOn Thursday, I had an impulse that we should do something. I planned this campaign and posted it on the blog. The next morning, there were more than 600 posts and now there are over 1,500 posts from all over the world, including small towns, the US, Singapore and of course, all Indian metros. There are people from all age groups, six-year-olds to senior citizens and a lot of men too,â said Nisha.

02-10-2009, 11:24 AM

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Jaipur/...how/4102095.cms

QUOTEIn pursuit of new means to terrorize couples from displaying affection in public places, the hardliners have now threatened to shoot clippings of couples involved in public display of affection (PDA) and place them on internet.

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Sri Ram Sene' has indicated intensification in such activities this Valentine Day as the party launched its Rajasthan wing on Monday.

"We have requested people not to celebrate Valentine's Day, but if some are fond of displaying their love, we will let more people enjoy the show.

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The SRS members were all in praise for chief minister Ashok Gehlot for raising his voice against the public display of affection, "In times when attacking culture has become a fashion and followers of Gandhi are invoking Pub Bharo Andolan,' it has been brave of Gehlot to reflect the mindset of a common man on the issue," Singh added.

02-10-2009, 11:32 AM

A brave and tough message from Home minister of the union government.

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/ram-sene...on-p.../421142/

QUOTE"Sri Ram Sene is a threat to the country. The Centre is watching its activities with great concern", the minister told reporters.

Condemning the activities of the outfit, he said "no organisation can become a self-styled police force. That cannot be allowed. Sene had already crossed limits. They cannot say what one should wear, one should eat or to where one should go," he said.

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