Attack in Mumbai -2

02-02-2009, 04:24 AM

NSA contradicts Pranab on Pakistan responseQUOTENo official reply from Islamabad: Pranab
They reverted to us with several queries: NSA

While External Affairs Minister Pranab Mukherjee has consistently maintained that Pakistan has so far not officially responded to India's dossier on Mumbai terror attack, National Security Adviser M K Narayanan has sparked off confusion, claiming that Islamabad has sought several clarifications from New Delhi.

In a TV interview, Narayanan has said: "What I am aware of is that after the receipt of the dossier by Pakistan, the Pakistan Government has reverted to us and asked a number of questions to which answers are being provided... I presume they are yet to receive replies to the second set of queries they have made."
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They are total jerks.

Naresh · 02-03-2009, 05:10 AM

Pakistan to prosecute 125 for Mumbai attacksâ

* ABC News reports suspects will be charged under Pakistanâs cyber crime laws

LAHORE : The government is planning to prosecute a group of as many as 125 terorists, who according to investigators, might be connected to the terrorist attacks on Mumbai in November last year, ABC News reported on Monday.

According to the channel, the group, which includes âanyone who made any suspicious contacts inside India as the attacks beganâ, would be charged under Pakistanâs cyber crimes laws because suspects used Internet phones to communicate, ABC News quoted an unidentified senior intelligence official.

âBut few if any of the major terrorist leaders India is asking Pakistan to prosecute are included on this list,â the official was quoted as saying.

The report said that that reflected the delicate balance Pakistan was trying to achieve: âappeasing international pressure to crack down on terrorists who have operated from its soil, and at the same time not completely dismantling groups that the intelligence agencies still see as assetsâ.

India has blamed Pakistan-based Lashkar-e-Tayyaba and its âcharity armâ Jamaatud Dawa for planning the attacks. ABC News said despite promises of a crackdown on terrorists, the government had still not indicated any plans to prosecute anyone related to the November attacks, as it was required to by a United Nations Security Council resolution passed in early December.

"We assure India if somebody is found guilty, we'll proceed according to our own laws of Pakistan," the channel quoted Prime Minsiter Yousuf Raza Gilani as saying on Sunday.

Asked if plans to prosecute were evidence of Pakistani leaders' suspecting the Obama administration would be tougher on them than was the Bush administration, ABC News quoted an Obama administration official as saying, "I see this as evidence that Pakistan recognises these extremists threaten Pakistan as well as the US. We need an alliance against the extremists, and I believe that is what you will see us work to build." The 125 men who were arrested around the country following the attacks, will appear in a court âas early as tomorrowâ, ABC News quoted the Interior Ministry.

It said the arrests were made after the Indian and United States pressure, as well as a United Nations Security Council resolution that required Pakistan to "bring proceedings against persons and entities within their jurisdiction." India was reported as saying that it was waiting for Pakistan to act.

The channel said in India and in the West, it had become clear in the last few weeks that only successful prosecutions by Pakistan would lessen the international community's pressure.

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02-03-2009, 10:44 AM

Why I am feeling there is silence before storm?
Lull for so long, not normal.

Husky · 02-04-2009, 02:01 PM

QUOTE(Naresh @ Feb 3 2009, 05:10 AM)Pakistan to prosecute 125 for Mumbai attacksâ[right][snapback]94169[/snapback][/right]Wouldn't get any hopes up.
After all, the islamoterrorist govt of TSP may just do the usual: round up Hindus in Pakistan, they way TSP did in the case of US govt's war on terror. The only difference is that while the US may perhaps not have known, I'm sure the christofascist govt in India will be in on the inside 'joke' and all too happy to encourage TSP when it prosecutes/electrocutes or otherwise tortures/maims/kills any Hindus which terroristan may choose to graciously accuse of being 'islamic terrorists'.

Anyone really trust TSP's sudden turn for 'justice'?

QUOTE(Husky @ Jan 31 2007, 08:34 AM)<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mudy @ Jan 31 2007, 08:24 AM)Pakistanis Being Sold to the United States

General Musharraf says Pakistan earns millions of dollars for handing over suspects to the US.

Hindus are kidnapped by Pakistani government and sold/passed as terrorist to US government
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The torturing interrogators in the US probably won't believe the poor Hindus when the latter explain they are not even muslim, let alone j-hadi terrorists.

EDIT:
Transcript of 00:37 - 2:22 from Mudy's video link. Narrator is 'Arshad Shariff' (?) for Reuters, Islamabad:
QUOTENarrator: The relatives of the other missing people are convinced that intelligence agencies abducted their family members for alleged links with Al Qaeda and various religious organisations. Many human rights groups agree, saying that innocent people are being abducted in the name of the war on terror.

But that's not all. The Pakistan Human Rights commission, as well as the Asian Human Rights commissions say that several citizens belonging to the Hindu community are the latest victims of enforced disappearances, along with critics of the government in Sindh and Balochistan. The opposition is raising the matter in the senate.

Senator Enver Baig: "There are reports that people from the interior of Sindh in particular the minority community from the Hindus are missing along with the other politcal leadership from Punjabs and Balochistan. We are taking up this issue in the senate"

Narrator: Government officials are denying all knowledge of the disapeared. In fact it supported the convention adopted by the UN general assembly in December, which called enforced disappeareances a criminal act. But outside the UN building in Islamabad, the relatives of the missing asked the UN to do more.

In his memoirs, In The Line Of Fire, president Musharraf says Pakistan earned bounties totalling millions of dollars for handing over hundreds of Al Qaeda suspects to the US.

Some of the families of the missing don't know if their relatives are in US custody or the custody of Pakistan. But, under supreme court pressure, some of the missing have been found in army camps, held there without a charge.ISI or Perverse Musharraf's latest plan to continue ethnic cleansing of Hindus of Pakistan: sell them to the US as AQ terrorists.
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Naresh · 02-04-2009, 10:53 PM

âCome out clean on Mumbai attacksâ : Peaceniks ask GoP
QUOTEISLAMABAD, Feb 3 : Pakistani human rights and peace activists who undertook a three-day mission to India âto put out the fire of distrustâ that erupted in the aftermath of the Mumbai attacks have said on return that the Indians would be satisfied if Pakistan came out clean in its investigations into the attacks.

âThere is no room for playing further gimmicks if Pakistan wants to renew the official peace process (suspended by India),â four members of the unofficial peace mission organised by the Human Rights Commission of Pakistan (HRCP) and the South Asia Free Media Association (Safma) told at a seminar on âPeace mission to India and its aftermathâ, here on Tuesday.

They found India unwilling to accept Pakistanâs offer to hold investigations jointly, and said the initial denials by Islamabad that Ajmal Kasab was a Pakistani âpoisoned the minds of Indiansâ.
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ramana · 02-04-2009, 11:09 PM

I think MKN was contradicting Pranab Mukherjee as the latter was getting to be an effective stand in PM. So for whatever reasons, he backstabbed him to reduce the credibility.

02-05-2009, 12:52 AM

They are making sure power stays with Sonia only.

02-05-2009, 02:55 AM

Kasab as he is today!
Where is Moron Singh? I hope he is getting his sleep with medication. Kasab is suffering,

ramana · (This post was last modified: 02-05-2009, 03:28 AM by ramana.)

If we do a timeline from when Kasab was trained onwards what we find is that TSp had readied a terrorist squad to attack India from the sea some time back say 1-2years. Looking at which areas are accessible Mumbai was the prime target for such an attack. There were sporadic warnings from US and own intel agencies but nothing clear cut. At same time GOI was doing its own thing by ensuring SIM cards are sold to dubious characters to get a chance to eavesdrop on terror networks. Sort of low budget electronic surveillance. Somewhere in mid September there were definite warnings to India. Maybe India thought they could trap them by appearing careless. Somehow the TSP wised up decided not carry through the attack at that time. Might even have shelved it. Then there were a series of events that gave them hope that if they created a mess the US would intervene- the troop situation in Afghanistan, the Pakibanization of FATA, the US pressure to do more, the Obama interview on kashmir, the Reidel and Ahmed Rashid article on Kashmir etc. So they went ahead with the Nov attack.

The MKN types got blind sided when they got new warnings for they thought it was another case of boy crying wolf. So he did nothing except warn the Navy to chase some ghost fishing boats. He should have activated the defences in depth incase the NAvy didnt get them. The ATS was busy trying to fix Hindu terrorism charges under Pawar's guy R.R. Patil. The guests at Taj complained of the security being too much for their revelry for Thanksgiving. And all that led to increasing the casualties of the terrorists attack. The CST attack in which Kasab took part was one of the unfortunate turn of events but gave the chance for Mumbai police to redeem their honor.

The TSP aims were: unify their sorry divided nation due to external threat, move troops to the Indian border and let the jihadis a free rein in the Pakiban areas, get more aid from US as pro quid quo for bringing back the troops to the West, force US to pressure India on Kashmir, show India down and boost morale of their sorry jihadis and forces.

One reason why the US keeps telling of how it warned GOI is its does not want to lose the goodwill among Indian people despite its support to TSP and stopping Indian govt from retaliation. A hidden motive could be they want a clash between the two and claim flash point and try to carve a role for themselves.

Indian govt was caught off guard and is on quick march to retrieve its credibility but by its own actions has limited its options. A lot of gaps built up in the last few years have shown up- intel, police, counter terrorist actions, equipment, Army readiness, Cabinet crisis response, MMS heart attack requiring bypass eventually etc.

In all the hungama a hazy picture is emerging of what is possible and is for a future post.

02-05-2009, 03:41 AM

I think attack was delayed because of good result of Afghanistan Indian Embassy attack, Pakis were able to kill big symbol. So they were under pressure from Uncle.
Lull is too long, I still don't think Indian Govt is serious. Have you noticed not a single local connection is behind bar? This is very serious.
No story, how Mumbai victims families are suffering, Indian Govt had done rerun of Mumbai Train attack.
Indian Government weakness is out and open in front of world, now or people had already stopped taking them seriouly.

02-05-2009, 08:01 PM

Mudy, For past 3 months, US un-mannned drones are pounding western border and things are a bit chaotic. link

02-05-2009, 09:30 PM

QUOTE(Viren @ Feb 5 2009, 08:01 PM)Mudy, For past 3 months, US un-mannned drones are pounding western border and things are a bit chaotic. link
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Yes, to help pakis to control so-called region never been under Paki Army control. I called it ethnic cleansing of tribal region. After all cleaning operation, pakis will send Punjabis to populate that area as they did with POK. Pakis are using US to do dirty work.

02-10-2009, 11:58 AM

Al Qaeda warns India of more Mumbai-style attacksQUOTEA top Al Qaeda [Images] commander, who was reported to have been killed in a US drone strike last year, has appeared in a video warning India of more Mumbai-style terror attacks if it tried to attack Pakistan.

'India should know that it will have to pay a heavy price if it attacks Pakistan,' Mustafa Abu al-Yazid, believed to be Al Qaeda's military commander in Afghanistan and ranked behind No 2 Ayman al-Zawahiri, said in a 20-minute video in Arabic received by the BBC.

Yazid, who the Pakistani military said may have been killed in fighting last August in the Bajaur tribal region, said: 'The Mujahideen [Images] will sunder your armies into the ground, like they did to the Russians in Afghanistan. They will target your economic centres and raze them to the ground.'

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I told you before , I know Moron Singh strategy , "In action is itself a action"
Without doing anything, one terrorist is dead according to Paki, it is very much possible he is camping under Kayani's basement.

02-10-2009, 04:52 PM

Mumbai attacks: anatomy of a failed strategy

QUOTEPeriodic tough-sounding statements from our leaders about all options being open, etc., are for effect to cover up lack of real action. The disconnect between verbal muscle-flexing and limp action reduces our credibility further. As time passes, options not used become more difficult to use. Initiative lost cannot be easily regained, especially when other powerful actors become involved. By doing nothing we have little leverage left. Had we taken some bilateral political measures, besides threatening to blacklist companies selling advanced weaponry to Pakistan and demanding that economic assistance by international financial institutions be made conditional on Pakistan meeting concrete benchmarks in eliminating terrorist activity within its territory, etc., we would have increased our leverage with third countries. Tactically, some of these steps should have been taken before the Obama administration took over in order to retain some bargaining options. Now it is too late.

By avoiding bilateral action we have imposed no direct cost on Pakistan, besides weakening pressure on others to act meaningfully to staunch terrorism against us. With America promising substantial military and economic aid, Pakistani rulers can conclude that, as before, a judicious mix of action and inaction on terrorism directed at U.S. interests and deniable support to terrorism against India can be a paying policy. In sum, with some tactical refining, it threatens to be business as usual for all the players.

02-11-2009, 01:43 AM

That was then:
QUOTE(k.ram @ Jan 14 2009, 08:06 AM)Pakistan state not linked to Mumbai attack - Britain


Oh Blimey! What? What?
Don't attack us please, UK ads to say on Pak TV

QUOTEThe British Government will air ads on Pakistani television urging terrorists to not attack Britain.

Prominent British Muslims will star in the British Foreign Office-funded Â£400,000 (approximately Rs 2.9 crore)-campaign that is set to break on Pakistani television next Monday, âThe Guardianâ reported on Tuesday. 
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02-11-2009, 01:57 AM

I just can't imagine these coward ruled Indians or Indians are more coward then these Brits.

Husky · 02-12-2009, 07:29 PM

1. www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/4600484/Pakistan-admits-Mumbai-attacks-planned-inside-its-borders.html
Pakistan admits Mumbai attacks planned inside its borders
Pakistan's government has admitted that the attacks which killed 179 people in Mumbai were partly planned inside its borders.

By Dean Nelson in New Delhi
Last Updated: 1:16PM GMT 12 Feb 2009

2. news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7885261.stm?lss
Image caption: Mr Malik conceded that a foreign terror plot was hatched in Pakistan

First denial.
Then: "Stateless Actors"
Now: "LeT. LeT." (aka Pakistani Yet Stateless Actors)

Blablabla.

02-13-2009, 12:13 AM

Husky,
You have missed biggest point and great win for Pakistan state. This time they had used US think tank to coverup Mumbai attack. They just blamed some individual for terrorist attack like a small crime and protected ISI and Paki Army. In future any attack on India by Pakis will be blamed on some guy and Paki state can get away very easily. Let me tell you I put full blame on Indian impotent Moron Singh and his cronies running India. Moron Singh told world that Paki and we both are victim of terrorism, basically, Moron Singh gave World Good Moral character certificate to Pakistan.
Now Pakis after every attack inside India, just had to bring some criminals from Jail and display them in front of TV and repunish them and send them to jail again.

In future, India can't do anything, only impotents can cry from roof top that my roof is burning.

02-13-2009, 02:23 AM

QUOTEMumbai top cop admits local support
pioneer.com
TN Raghunatha | Mumbai
Describing Pakistanâs admission that âsome part of the conspiracyâ behind 26/11 blasts was hatched on its soil was a clear reflection of the quality of investigations conducted by his team members, Mumbai Police Commissioner Hasan Gafoor on Thursday night said that two persons who had provided âlocal support" to the terrorists behind the attack were currently in the custody of the city police.

âWhatever has happened on Thursday is a landmark development in the history of criminal justice system in the country, because Pakistan has for the first time admitted that its soil has been used to plan the attack in Mumbai. Pakistan's admission is also a reflection on the quality of investigations carried out by the Mumbai police. It has proved that our information was irrefutable,â Gafoor told The Pioneer in the night.

Dwelling on the ongoing controversy over the "local supportâ to the 26/11 attack, Gafoor said that the two Lashkar-e-Tayyeba (LeT) operatives Fahim Ansari and Sabauddin Ahmed, who were currently in the custody of the city police, had provided âlocal supportâ to the terrorists behind the Mumbai mayhem.

Both Fahim and Sabauddin, who were arrested by the Uttar Pradesh Police in connection with some other case, have admitted to their alleged involvement in the conspiracy behind the Mumbai attack. While Fahim has admitted to having carried out reconnaissance of the Mumbai attack targets ahead of the Mumbai attack, Sabauddin has provided information about the attack, according to Gafoor.
Only two "Indian Muslim terror" , what a joke? They were muslim so till now Muslim Gaffor was keeping this to himself. He is same Gafoor who locked himself inside car and went for long sleep whem Mumbai was under attack.

Husky · (This post was last modified: 02-14-2009, 12:50 PM by Husky.)

More on the above:
1. timesofindia.indiatimes.com/India/Indian-hand-in-2611-causes-furore/articleshow/4120545.cms
QUOTE'Indian hand' in 26/11 causes furore

MUMBAI: On a day when Pakistan admitted the role of its nationals in the 26/11 terror attacks, the Mumbai police which is investigating the case
created major confusion by initially saying that 16 persons, including a few Indians, had provided logistics support only to retract it a few minutes later.
(Must be the psecularism speaking that made him retract.)

Commissioner of police Hasan Gafoor, while speaking to the media on Thursday evening, said, "Sixteen persons are wanted in the terror attack which includes the Pakistan-based LeT handlers and Indians." Gafoor further said that most of the Indians wanted were from north India. "We have alerted the local police there. They have provided assistance in collecting information, carrying out a recce, and transfer of funds from abroad," he said. Gafoor refused to elaborate saying investigations were continuing.

Gafoor said most of the Indian suspects were from north India who had gone to Pakistan to obtain training. They disappeared after 26/11. "The Mumbai police is on the lookout for them," he said. Gafoor said the list containing the names of wanted Pakistani nationals had been forwarded to Pakistani authorities.

In addition to these 16 persons, Gafoor said two Indians â Fahim Ansari and Sabauddin Ahmed, who helped in carrying out a survey of the targets attacked â were also involved in the planning.

Soon after Gafoor announced this in public, TOI contacted joint commissioner of police (crime) Rakesh Maria seeking details of the wanted persons. He said only two Indians were involved in the attack â Ansari and Sabauddin. Maria said he had spoken to Gafoor, who had never mentioned that 16 persons were wanted for the terror attack.

Gafoor later retracted his statement and said, "What I said was that 16 people were involved in the attack, of which 14 were Pakistani nationals. Nine terrorists were shot dead and Ajmal Kasab is with us. Four are handlers based in Pakistan. Two Indians are already in our custody."
(So islamic Gafoor said 16, then christocommisioner says that Gafoor didn't say 16, then Gafoor said he did say 16 but that he meant 14 of those were TSPers.
Why can't christoislami pseculars first rehearse their stories so that they at least don't sound like they're making up their statements on the spot each time.)

Meanwhile, the Mumbai police on Thursday claimed that the 26/11 terror attack could not have been possible without the tacit support of the Pakistani army. A senior police officer, while reacting to Pakistan's claims that non-state actors were behind the attack, told TOI that Lashkar-e-Taiba was an offshoot of ISI, which is a Pakistan state agency. "The ISI is run by either retired or serving Pakistani army personnel. Does this happen without the knowledge of the government," the officer said.

The officer refused to comment when asked whether this fact was mentioned in any of the investigation reports. "We have information but to prove it in a court of law is difficult," he said.

He pointed out that Austria-based Arges, which manufactured the pistols and grenades used in the attack, had given a franchise to Pakistan Ordnance Factory. "In fact, during the 1993 Mumbai bomb blasts, we had similar information. But to prove it in court will be difficult," he said. On the origin of AK-47 rifles used in the carnage, the officer said he was awaiting the reports.What about the other terrorists involved (other than the 16 admitted to)?

2. timesofindia.indiatimes.com/India/Lashkar-slams-Pakistans-Mumbai-attack-probe-report-/articleshow/4119862.cms
Lashkar slams Pakistan's Mumbai attack probe report
LeT doesn't like it.
LeT wants to know: when India has promised that islamics will have first claim on resources (including government protecting Indian islamists from being punished for jihadi crimes), why can't TSP do as much? So, LeT considers moving to India now, where the grass is obviously greener for jihadism/islam. It tells TSP that India is becoming the real dar-ul-islam and TSP is becoming dar-ul-harb.

(Actually, I've not read the article. I don't care.)

3. This heading seems to be as anticipated:
timesofindia.indiatimes.com/India/US-threat-to-cut-off-aid-forced-Pak-to-admit-role/articleshow/4120445.cms
US threat to cut off aid forced Pak to admit role

The trouble-stoking unrelated person calling itself Uncle says to murderous juvenile delinquent TSP:
"For the time being, I will give you no more money for your catapults (to catapult India with) unless you admit you catapulted India just now. Once you've confessed a little, I'll buy you some more catapults and you can go on as before."

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