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<!--QuoteBegin-ramana+Feb 19 2009, 12:32 AM-->QUOTE(ramana @ Feb 19 2009, 12:32 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->I worry if BJP is Modern India's Julian?
[right][snapback]94697[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->How do you mean? In the sense of them both being the (possible) pagan last stands? Or were you remarking on character, thought-drive and effort? If the latter, then where's the basis for comparison? The Julian <i>of history</i> was
1. Brilliant, with the keennest of intellects and a foresightedness, understanding and level of perception that is all the more remarkable today since it's not now duplicated.
2. And he was <i>uncompromising</i> when it came to the Terrorism. Every move he made against christianism was calculated. He was playing the kind of chess with it that the christians couldn't ever have won unless they killed him - which they did.
He's called 1. Philosopher Emperor (IIRC the only other Roman Emperor to be called that was the Antonine Marcus Aurelius) and 2. Warrior Emperor. He was both these things - literally, but in that <i>double</i> sense as well(intellectual + he was <i>the</i> challenge to christianism).
What he really was, was a true, conscious Natural Traditionalist. He knew what he was. Not the slightest bit of confusion or cultural amnesia. Hence no compromising, insubvertible, and was always aware of any conditioning (the kind that was doing the rounds back then, like psecularism) and of removing it. He knew no co-existence was possible with christianism - because it <i>was</i> terrorism, as he himself had experienced in his family and witnessed in what it did to Rome - and that it needed to be rooted out.
In contrast, the BJP has bent over backwards to compromise and to sell Hindu Dharma even when it wasn't even asked to do so, as evidenced by posts #316, #317 above.
<!--QuoteBegin-ramana+Feb 20 2009, 02:48 AM-->QUOTE(ramana @ Feb 20 2009, 02:48 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->If you juxtapose
Christian = Secular
and that all you mentioned are also foreign to the pagan Romans, you realize its a Julian moment.[right][snapback]94748[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->It may or may not be a Julian moment, but BJP is not Julian to grab it. For BJP, Hindu Dharma seems to be entirely incidental, ignorable and in fact sellable to the lowest bidder.
Also, in the case of the Roman traditionalists, they had been saying since mid 2nd century that jesus never existed and that it was a terrorist cult. They saw a lot of the fraud's manufacture going on right in front of their eyes. In contrast, Hindus are not so aware of jeebus' non-existence and the lethal nature of the death-cult. That's partly due to other Hindus keeping them in darkness - too much drowning out by all those vocalists duped by the psecular sham promoted by christianist PR that "jesus was a deeeep teacher, it's only his followers who are shallow and have misinterpreted the babble-horror".
Dhu's counter-injection of "But Romans did not have Mayawati !!!" is very interesting. Nice dimensioning of the question.
2. http://haindavakeralam.com/HKPage.aspx?P...258&SKIN=B
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Modi's new admirer: Ahmedabad's Imam</b>
23/02/2009 15:32:37Â http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/article...8,prtpage-1.cms
AHMEDABAD: Mufti Shabbir Ahmed Siddiqui, the Imam of Ahmedabad's biggest mosque, has found himself alone among the city's Muslim clerics. What has landed the 52-year-old Imam in trouble in his own community is his admiration for Gujarat chief minister Narendra Modi.
Siddiqui, a native of Sirsa in Bihar, has been living in Ahmedabad since 1982. The hardliners in the community feel he is soft on the state government with which he has been building bridges in turbulent times.
<b>But Siddiqui is unabashed about his admiration for the CM and would like Modi, already popular among Shia muslims, to gain acceptance among the Sunnis too. The Jama Masjid Imam calls the 2002 riots an "atrocity'' but adds that the projection of the riots was "much graver'' than what had actually happened.</b> "The time has come now to move on. It is seven years since the riots and people have already started forgetting what had happened,'' he told TOI.
<b>The Imam says Modi has ensured peace after 2002 and feels the chief minister has "lived up to the expectations''.</b> "Muslims too have an opportunity to prosper in the peaceful environment that the Modi government has created. Modi has provided an atmosphere which is conducive for those who want to do business in Gujarat,'' he says.
According to Siddiqui, Modi does not need Muslim votes to win the elections. It is up to the Muslims to make friends with the chief minister, he says. "Islam has in the past befriended even bigger fundamentalists,'' he argues, adding Muslims must appreciate the performance of the CM, "if he is good''.
He is also happy that <b>the spread of the hardliner Tablighis in Gujarat, who have created numerous problems for him in recent years, has been checked by the Modi government by blocking the influx of foreign funds through `hawala'.</b> He says his battle with the Tabhlighis for the control of mosques across Gujarat would be won only if the flow of funds from abroad is stopped.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Christian lying exposed by an islamic cleric who they forgot to give a copy of the christian script to.
<!--QuoteBegin-ramana+Feb 19 2009, 12:32 AM-->QUOTE(ramana @ Feb 19 2009, 12:32 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->I worry if BJP is Modern India's Julian?
[right][snapback]94697[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->How do you mean? In the sense of them both being the (possible) pagan last stands? Or were you remarking on character, thought-drive and effort? If the latter, then where's the basis for comparison? The Julian <i>of history</i> was
1. Brilliant, with the keennest of intellects and a foresightedness, understanding and level of perception that is all the more remarkable today since it's not now duplicated.
2. And he was <i>uncompromising</i> when it came to the Terrorism. Every move he made against christianism was calculated. He was playing the kind of chess with it that the christians couldn't ever have won unless they killed him - which they did.
He's called 1. Philosopher Emperor (IIRC the only other Roman Emperor to be called that was the Antonine Marcus Aurelius) and 2. Warrior Emperor. He was both these things - literally, but in that <i>double</i> sense as well(intellectual + he was <i>the</i> challenge to christianism).
What he really was, was a true, conscious Natural Traditionalist. He knew what he was. Not the slightest bit of confusion or cultural amnesia. Hence no compromising, insubvertible, and was always aware of any conditioning (the kind that was doing the rounds back then, like psecularism) and of removing it. He knew no co-existence was possible with christianism - because it <i>was</i> terrorism, as he himself had experienced in his family and witnessed in what it did to Rome - and that it needed to be rooted out.
In contrast, the BJP has bent over backwards to compromise and to sell Hindu Dharma even when it wasn't even asked to do so, as evidenced by posts #316, #317 above.
<!--QuoteBegin-ramana+Feb 20 2009, 02:48 AM-->QUOTE(ramana @ Feb 20 2009, 02:48 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->If you juxtapose
Christian = Secular
and that all you mentioned are also foreign to the pagan Romans, you realize its a Julian moment.[right][snapback]94748[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->It may or may not be a Julian moment, but BJP is not Julian to grab it. For BJP, Hindu Dharma seems to be entirely incidental, ignorable and in fact sellable to the lowest bidder.
Also, in the case of the Roman traditionalists, they had been saying since mid 2nd century that jesus never existed and that it was a terrorist cult. They saw a lot of the fraud's manufacture going on right in front of their eyes. In contrast, Hindus are not so aware of jeebus' non-existence and the lethal nature of the death-cult. That's partly due to other Hindus keeping them in darkness - too much drowning out by all those vocalists duped by the psecular sham promoted by christianist PR that "jesus was a deeeep teacher, it's only his followers who are shallow and have misinterpreted the babble-horror".
Dhu's counter-injection of "But Romans did not have Mayawati !!!" is very interesting. Nice dimensioning of the question.
2. http://haindavakeralam.com/HKPage.aspx?P...258&SKIN=B
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Modi's new admirer: Ahmedabad's Imam</b>
23/02/2009 15:32:37Â http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/article...8,prtpage-1.cms
AHMEDABAD: Mufti Shabbir Ahmed Siddiqui, the Imam of Ahmedabad's biggest mosque, has found himself alone among the city's Muslim clerics. What has landed the 52-year-old Imam in trouble in his own community is his admiration for Gujarat chief minister Narendra Modi.
Siddiqui, a native of Sirsa in Bihar, has been living in Ahmedabad since 1982. The hardliners in the community feel he is soft on the state government with which he has been building bridges in turbulent times.
<b>But Siddiqui is unabashed about his admiration for the CM and would like Modi, already popular among Shia muslims, to gain acceptance among the Sunnis too. The Jama Masjid Imam calls the 2002 riots an "atrocity'' but adds that the projection of the riots was "much graver'' than what had actually happened.</b> "The time has come now to move on. It is seven years since the riots and people have already started forgetting what had happened,'' he told TOI.
<b>The Imam says Modi has ensured peace after 2002 and feels the chief minister has "lived up to the expectations''.</b> "Muslims too have an opportunity to prosper in the peaceful environment that the Modi government has created. Modi has provided an atmosphere which is conducive for those who want to do business in Gujarat,'' he says.
According to Siddiqui, Modi does not need Muslim votes to win the elections. It is up to the Muslims to make friends with the chief minister, he says. "Islam has in the past befriended even bigger fundamentalists,'' he argues, adding Muslims must appreciate the performance of the CM, "if he is good''.
He is also happy that <b>the spread of the hardliner Tablighis in Gujarat, who have created numerous problems for him in recent years, has been checked by the Modi government by blocking the influx of foreign funds through `hawala'.</b> He says his battle with the Tabhlighis for the control of mosques across Gujarat would be won only if the flow of funds from abroad is stopped.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Christian lying exposed by an islamic cleric who they forgot to give a copy of the christian script to.