Advices To BJP Party

06-05-2009, 12:08 AM

QUOTE(k.ram @ Jun 3 2009, 11:49 AM)Going by Ravishji, who seems to have a good finger on the pulse of the nation esp. the youth, the country seems to have voted overwhelmingly in favor of 3Bs - Bars, Bras and Brothels.Â
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k.ramji, the whole discussion is absolutely absurd. Haven't we gone down this path before?
Good governance and Morality are two different issues. You might remember the issue during last days of NDA when it was published that ABV enjoyed a glass of whisky now and then? Secular drunks were more mortified than the Hindu teetotalers!! Does anyone care who drinks what, who eats what and what 2 consenting adults do in private - as long as they make sure a common man go out of his house, earn a decent wage for his family and come home safely?

Now we have youth who are idolizing politicans, cricketers, filmy stars etc and hold them to high moral standards. Hmmm... can only wonder as to how many dreams are going to be crushed in near future. If one needs moral heros look towards 'matro-pitro-guru' (mother-father-teacher, in that order; though these days teachers are not they used to be) and not Page 3 type personalities.

06-05-2009, 12:44 AM

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QUOTE(k.ram @ Jun 4 2009, 08:40 AM)Muppalla

Couple of questions for the stalwarts

Where does ABVP fit in the scheme of things for BJP? ABVP should be more vocal in campuses, holding debates on crucial issuesOr are they fit only for goondagardhi and drinking Haywards 5000 and ogle at women?


Lot of campuses have no politcs anymore. Even if they are there very few in science and engineering sections are really interested in campus politics. In many universities, though they conduct elections they conduct on non-party basis. The perception about ABVP and sangh parivar in general is brahminical and hence it should be opposed. The maculyte education for centuries is not erased and not-erasable unless BJP comes to power for atleast two terms and change the education content. Sangh parivaar is a Hindu revivalist structure and brahminism is the fundamental to hindu revivalism is the strongest perception in the population. This perception is the hurdle for ideological expansion. Hence the expansion has to be by other means in the short run.
I beleive it is important to be in power by hook or crook to change the perception. By not being in power, even if the sangh parivaar tries, the enemy has more mechanisms to put you in that bind.

QUOTE(k.ram @ Jun 4 2009, 08:40 AM)Why can't BJP start their own publicity arm, distribution outlets in every community - handouts to blogs to SMSs (Having a poorly maintained website does not cut it)


It does in a very big way. FriendsOfBJP is one new arm of it. There are a lot of proxies too in this aspect. I would say BJP does better than any other party. In cyberspace no one can beat it out. The problem is the TV and going and getting poorest into its fold.

QUOTE(k.ram @ Jun 4 2009, 08:40 AM)Why can't they have monthly meetings in every community - if not BJP, then sangh associated outfits.Â Start using temples as meeting places. Hindus do not have a place to meet anywhere as government by design stops temples being used for such things (whereas it is ok for churches and mosques)


The sangh parivaar does this at temples and also at various places. Meetings and conducting the meetings is not a problem but converting them to vote for BJP as opposed to vote in sectarian line is the problem. Uniteing Hindus via such meetings is a good idea and it has to continue but it is a long drawn process in a 1000s year old wounded civilization. This process and winning elections should be exclusive process and BJP should not depend on this. If we think we should wait then we will be waiting for ever before that using power, we all will be evangelized. Time is not on our side especially after recent loss.

QUOTE(k.ram @ Jun 4 2009, 08:40 AM)What is their strategy in delivering the message? Our message was never the problem. The problem was always the mode, content and the delivery. What is being done or will be done to rectify it.


The message is complex and it not reaching beyond the core. The core is not expanding beyond 10% of India's population though 20 to 25% are voting for BJP. In this election they got an overall 18% voteshare. Not all the 18% are voting because of message.

The message delivery process can keep going and it is not practical to make the 30% population as core unless you are in power. The enemy is strong and it has more machinery to not allow folks to get the message. It is literally impossible to counter the machinery. Last 10 years are the examples.

QUOTE(k.ram @ Jun 4 2009, 08:40 AM)Are they planning to tie up with any think tanks? If so, which ones and why? If not, why not?


The major think tank is RSS. In my personal opinion, RSS is not geared to the modern way of countering the forceful-rapid-onslaught on India. I will tell you an example. One of my friends after the huge loss in elections, after due appointment had a telephonic conversation with very top line person from RSS to know thier thought process. All he said was about Bharatvarsh and how BJP is not 100% hindu and it is also trying the Congress route with caste votebanks and other stuff like that.

If the think tank thinks that we have to achive in one and only path of first educating 35% of voters about the complex theory of hindutva, bharatvarsh etc. and then get to power, India will have lesser and lesser souls un-harvested in future.

QUOTE(k.ram @ Jun 4 2009, 08:40 AM)What is being done to get in between two extremes - Continue wearing khaki chaddis OR discard hindutva for "liberal hinduism" (Since congress owns secular hinduism). Wtf!


Going soft for winning elections is not a bad option until the education system is changed. If it can win elections then why not? Everything else is useless if you cannot win and rule. The evangelical juggernaut is at a fast pace and the tactics need to match to fight it. The motto should be compromise to win and be powerful and when in power implement all that you want fast and furious.

QUOTE(k.ram @ Jun 4 2009, 08:40 AM)Why can't they (BJP + RSS) embrace temple protection movements and ingratiate with local communities? Have one member/karyakartha for every temple in the country or cluster of temples in an area. Continue to log/document what's being done to the temples.

This is a definite need. Watch this space and something is being planned in this direction. It is being planned as a legal recource. Temple lands and temple money is being diverted in a scale that we never heard before.

QUOTE(k.ram @ Jun 4 2009, 08:40 AM)Why can't they be more vocal about Hindus' plight in other countries, and and in India itself? Don't scream bloody murder about Conversions (counter it quietly), but scream out loud about the victims. We are after all in the human rights and victimized world.

Victimhood is not working. See how the urban middle class hindus voted in Mumbai and Delhi and that too after Mumbai was attacked in full global glare. Victimhood is only working to bring the core to voting booth. But core is only 10%.

QUOTE(k.ram @ Jun 4 2009, 08:40 AM)The bottomline is they need to organize, involve communities (Hindus) and start a movement. Whether they like it or not, they are never going to get Mullah and Missionary vote. Let "secular parties" compete for that and thin that vote out. We may not see complete hindu unity, but creating hindu brother hood and a sense of shared destiny is not impossible.


They do not need to get mullah or evangelical vote but in the short run they need to get the HFL votes. They need to reorganize so that though they do get the mullah or evangelical vote, they should be able to infilterate and split this vote and take the advantage away while getting the HFL and other casteistic sections into it.

It is all about winning elections. ideological voters in India a very few. Election management and voter base expansion (not core) should be primary goal. Current thought process of hindutva or related concepts as election strategy is tested three times and it is not putting them in the power.

06-05-2009, 03:31 AM

Either BJP:
1) Has the wrong ideology
2) Has the right ideology
2.1) Does not know how to take it to the voters
2.2) or, is prevented from taking it to the voters.

Another thing, maybe the voters don't care about BJP's ideologies or what it stands for. Then in that case there is a disconnect.

06-05-2009, 04:54 AM

QUOTE(Swamy G @ Jun 4 2009, 05:01 PM) 2.2) or, is prevented from taking it to the voters.

Another thing, maybe the voters don't care about BJP's ideologies or what it stands for. Then in that case there is a disconnect.
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Both the above statements are correct in varying degrees in my opinion.

However, most of the BJP and sangh supporters think that everytime there is a loss of election or no expansion the following is correct.

QUOTE 2.1) Does not know how to take it to the voters

Husky · (This post was last modified: 06-05-2009, 08:17 PM by Husky.)

^ The important discussion.

QUOTE(ravish @ Jun 5 2009, 12:06 AM)On the rape of the nun the people of Orissa have already given their verdict through the election results.[right][snapback]98322[/snapback][/right]You are beyond absurd.

According to you, innocence and guilt is not judged - nor to be judged - on the basis of evidence but by popular vote to parties? People who have been deliberately kept in the dark as to the real circumstances of the nun and her mass-deception (quite the opposite of a court room jury where members are generally given all the available evidence).

Even if it had not been EVM fraud in Orissa's case, the voters would not have voted based on the matter of the nun who admitted she lied about her claim to having been gangraped (though the christomedia outlets did their best to try and keep this little 'detail' hidden from people).
According to your diabolical logic, KKKangress ending up with so many votes supposedly 'shows' that the christoterrorists who brutally murdered Swami Lakshmanananda and the others are 'innocent' (ravish screeches: "it's the verdict of the voting masses"). By your logic, the christianists took the Americas fairly and never genocided the Native American population - again, because popular vote keeps 'vindicating' christoterrorist governance and overlordship in the US.

This christologic of yours is obviously no more than your opinion. But I'll say this though: it is very insightful as to the workings of your poisonous mind. I'm just surprised you haven't yet expired from the toxic fumes you emit.

QUOTE(ravish @ Jun 5 2009, 12:06 AM)The calibre of intelligence of each individual differs as it is a gift of God to each of us[right][snapback]98322[/snapback][/right]Then obviously - again, by your logic - the Gods must have greatly disfavoured you to have left you in such abject poverty. Random nature? Cruel oversight? Gross negligence? No. Deliberate denial. There you go.

QUOTEBestowing adjectives on meAdjectives attached to your name? Really? Where (in the post you referred to)? Or is this but more proof of your "calibre of intelligence"? Are these adjectives not as imaginary as your friends, rather (where did your royal 'we' go?)

No adjective can do you justice, ravish. You are quite indescribeable. But your actions (motivated posts) can be enumerated.

06-05-2009, 07:05 PM

The most bogus election 

Aditya Sinha

The most famous rigged elections in Indiaâs history are probably the 1987 Jammu and Kashmir Assembly polls. Though the electoral malpractices impacted just 15-18 assembly constituencies out of a total 76, they destroyed the credibility of chief minister Farooq Abdullah (note: this columnist authored Dr Farooqâs biography), and though there is no official record of any electoral fraud, it is by now an article of truth in New Delhi that this bogus election caused the secessionist insurgency that still requires the deployment of half a million soldiers in J&K. This causality is too tidy an explanation of a festering political problem and doesnât answer one question: if rigged elections caused separatism, then why havenât the genuine elections of 2002 wiped separatism out? Anyway, the point is not to quibble over Kashmirâs problems, but to underline that though there is no official record of fraud, pick up any book about Kashmir problem and it will mention the 1987 elections as rigged.

The 2009 Lok Sabha polls in Tamil Nadu were not rigged but purchased. No prizes for guessing by whom. Cost estimates run around Rs 1,000 crore; the talk is that approximately Rs 600 crore contributed by âA. Kingâ, the rest by a man who even our mild-mannered prime minister wants to keep at armâs length. Sources say the operation to purchase voters began on May 10, and continued till the last vote was cast on May 13. But letâs face it, no crime has been committed; if the voters donât mind being bribed, then case closed (except for in one constituency where votes were counted, recounted and recounted before everyone was allowed to return Home. It stank of something stronger than just bribing voters).

Yet it is something that rankles the losers, though no one is speaking about this publicly because one, theyâre in a state of shock, and two, they know that the chief minister, Mr Kalaignar, will simply stick his tongue out at them and snigger âsour grapesâ. Some in the opposition have raised doubts about the reliability of electronic voting machines, but not to any effect.

Opposition politicians are not the only ones startled by the results. One newspaper baron, a recent target of Mr Kalaignarâs ire, averred on TV that a high turnout in Tamil Nadu meant a strong anti-incumbency wave. He further predicted that the ruling alliance in the state would lose over half its seats. This provoked loutish comments from one soon-to-be textile minister. Another channel featured exit polls conducted by Yogendra Yadav that were openly met with scepticism by the channelâs southern political editor. His public disagreement with his editor-in-chief was reckless â unless he was absolutely certain he was correct. Even Rahul Gandhi, whose political gambits have paid rich dividends, told the press his party would not mind tying up with the AIADMK post-elections. He obviously believed the DMK was going down. It is ironic that a man was wrong about a state with only 39 seats but correct about a state with 80 seats.

More important than how the DMK confounded everyoneâs expectations is how no one got wise to the money being spent even though one of the earliest irregularities detected in TN was the Rs 500-note-in-the-mail. The EC took action against some low-level cut-outs, but the real beneficiaries presumably laughed their way to Rashtrapati Bhawan. The stateâs chief electoral officer deserves the highest praise for such vigilance, for ensuring a level playing field, and for keeping the electorateâs faith in democracy.

Those who despair about what this means for democracy should take solace in the situation in my home state Bihar, which was once upon a time synonymous with booth-capturing, voter-impersonation and all-round muscle-power during elections. No one ever believed Bihar would get good governance, but times have changed and the days of muscle-power have passed. Bihar finally got good governance and the voters gave their stamp of endorsement in these elections. The dominance of money-power too shall pass and perhaps sooner than you think, considering two events this week.

One was M K Stalinâs promotion as deputy chief minister. Coming a day after M K Azhagiriâs induction into the UPA Cabinet, this is seen as a balancing act between Mr Kalaignarâs two sons. However, Stalin himself says itâs because his dad is ill. Ever since the Tiruchy election rally which sent Mr Kalaignar to the ICU, the old man has not been himself. Nowadays his health is fragile and he is said to find even conversation with officials difficult. He was too frail to fight for the portfolios and ministers he wanted. In Delhi he met only two Congress leaders, one of whom is The Trouble-Shooter and who curtly made the partyâs take-it-or-leave-it offer on number of berths and portfolios before politely rushing off for A Pressing Engagement. 2009 is no 2004, and the old man could do nothing about it.

Mr Kalaignar is preparing for his last bow and once he passes from the scene, warring factions in the family/DMK will use their stash not for the purpose of winning elections, but against one another to seize control of the party. No matter who comes out on top, all will come out damaged and debilitated, and then they will have to deal with the real threat to the familyâs future: Rahul Gandhi, a man who (in the other event of the week, the Cabinet expansion) openly declared his intention of reviving the party in TN.

Somehow, you canât help but feel that without Mr Kalaignar around, Rahul Gandhi is bound to meet with more success going at it alone in TN than he did even in UP. And with his party controlling the central government, it is unlikely that any amount of money-power by you-know-who will make a difference in the elections. So the phase of money-power in elections too shall come to pass, as will the phase of politics in Tamil Nadu based on bitter polarisations.

Immediately after the 1987 J&K elections, no one would have predicted the kind of violence that would soon engulf the state. Tamil Nadu has a different set of circumstances, and the consequences of the 2009 Lok Sabha elections in the state will obviously be different, but there will be consequences, even if theyâre of the âHe who lives by the money-power dies by the money-powerâ variety. And thus, like the 1987 J&K elections, these 2009 TN elections will become a part of folklore and faith as being one of the most bogus elections in Indian history.

About The Author:

Aditya Sinha is the Editor-in-Chief of âThe New Indian Expressâ and is based in Chennai

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06-05-2009, 07:48 PM

Muppalla gaaru: Maybe there is a generational issue that is in play with the leadership/strategist and the voters. How much of a generation gap do you think there is?

Maybe what is important for BJP is not important for the next generation, and vice versa.

06-05-2009, 08:42 PM

QUOTE(ravish @ Jun 4 2009, 02:36 PM)Mr Husky,
On the rape of the nun the people of Orissa have already given their verdict through the election results.

<img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ROTFL.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='ROTFL.gif' /> Then Modi's got result multiple times on '02 via the ballot?
QUOTEIf Virenji has been able to judge and comprehend the true situation there is no cause to get worked up.
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Absolutely. Getting worked up will only raise you BP level and we'll die early. Besides, you might be off the opinion that people in India read this site and vote per our recommendation; Jaitley/Advani & Rajnath come here for tips! Please get real.

06-06-2009, 06:10 AM

BJP is going to launch its own English & Hindi TV news channels thru Gujarati NRI's within the next 4-6 months. Preparations are going on seriously.

06-06-2009, 08:44 AM

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Time for BJP to penetrate in TN. After Karunanidhi, DMK will split into 3 parties.

Bodhi · (This post was last modified: 06-06-2009, 10:06 AM by Bodhi.)

QUOTE(Viren @ Jun 5 2009, 08:42 PM)India read this site and vote per our recommendation; Jaitley/Advani & Rajnath come here for tips! Please get real.
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Virenji you underestimate the power of IF. serious.

06-06-2009, 10:50 AM

Bodhi: Can you elaborate please? Meanwhile, I was surprised to see that somebody took the 'Nexus...." thread and converted part of it into a 2-3 min video. The video has still pictures of some of the personalities, then a voice over reads the connections. The voice was camouflaged by using some machine voice. And also that thread has been referred in more than one blogs now. I did not know we had such a reach.

Aryan: Overtime they all will consolidate around just two splinters. BJP has to get into TN, it does not have much choice. And neither does TN.

06-06-2009, 08:05 PM

What's in a word?

Frankly speaking, I am not surprised that a majority, but not an overwhelming majority, of the responses related to my earlier posting have been critical of my suggestion that the BJP needs to abandon the H-word. There is certain to be bewilderment and even anger at the mere suggestion that the personality of the BJP needs modification. Over the years the BJP has come to be equated with Hindutva and any move away from this is, predictably, laced with suggestions of betrayal. It is understandable.
At the same time, I am heartened by the positive responses I have got for my article on the same theme in Times of India (May 4, 2009). I think it is worthwhile pointing out that my ideas weren't born in a vacuum. They have emerged from countless private discussions with BJP activists at all levels. It is their ideas which I have distilled and articulated.

The objections to my suggestions follow two broad streams:

Those who attribute motives such as peer group pressure or an itch to join the Congress bandwagon or, worse, to fall in line with the Jaichand tradition. The abusive responses need not be addressed except with the observation that profanities are no substitute for argument. As for peer group pressure, it is worth pointing out that I have endured ostracism of a far worse kind in the early-1990s, during the Ayodhya movement. I don't want to harp on my own credentials but I was one of the two or three writers in the mainstream English language media who were supportive of the movement. Naturally, there was a professional price I paid for this stand. As such, some of the comments from those who attribute motives to my present stand are hurtful.
Those who assert that the BJP will lose its "ideological" basis by straying away from Hindutva and become indistinguishable from the Congress. Many have claimed that there is nothing to be defensive about and that the problem is with the distortions of Hindutva by the "secular" media. What, I have also been asked, is my definition of Hindutva.
I will confine my comments to the second category of criticisms.

When someone is prompted to ask me what I mean by Hindutva, he/she bolsters my conclusion. When every second person has their own different version of the meaning of Hindutva, they underline the problems of using it for sustained political communication.

At one time, Hindutva was taken as the outpouring of Hindu pride and Hindu consciousness that accompanied the Ram Janmabhoomi movement. Hindutva than meant the resurrection of a facet of India's personality that had been submerged by "pseudo-secularism". Advani articulated this quite forcefully and the theme resonated throughout India in varying degrees. Hindutva was not regarded as religious consciousness, although that too played a role in the Ram temple movement, but the political extrapolation from the agitation.

In time, these were reduced to the distinctive facets of the BJP programme, viz. building of the Ram temple in Ayodhya, abrogation of Article 370 and the formulation of a Uniform Civil Code. It is noteworthy that the 370 and UCC issues stemmed from a literalist reading of the Indian Constitution.

It is the Supreme Court judgment that has blunted the political thrust of Hindutva. By interpreting Hindutva as a "way of life", in the same way as Radhakrishnan defined Hinduism, the apex court saved the BJP from a political witch-hunt in the mid-1990s. At the same time, it blunted Hindutva as a political weapon.

If something is a "way of life", how does it become an plank of a political party? It becomes either a lifestyle statement (which is patently absurd) or it becomes an intellectual orientation. The BJP has suffered from this post-SC judgment confusion. Hindutva doesn't figure as a term in its manifestos or political documents and leaders routinely say it is "above politics". If Hindutva is "above politics", then why is its inclusion necessary in a political party.

The honest truth that no one wants to admit is that Hindutva has in effect been banished from politics by the judiciary. The Hindutva some of the respondents are talking about is either religious or cultural. The religious dimension creates the type of complications which accompanies the vitriolic exchanges over OBCs and their modes of worship. A rigid culturalist definition leads to an examination of why a particular version of Hindutva hasn't found favour in Tamil Nadu, Kerala and West Bengal.

Hindutva in practice has come to mean exclusionary politics and assertions of Hindu superiority. This may well be a distortion of the real thing but that is the dominant perception. And Kandhamal, Ram Sene, the Malegaon mischief and Varun Gandhi merely confirms it. As Bhaskar Mitra put it in his comment, "Hindutva today stands for mobocracy" and worse.

Its nominal presence on the BJP platform deters the modern Hindu and frightens non-Hindu Indians. It raises a profound question in the minds of voters: "What sort of India does the BJP want?"

The answer, I am afraid, isn't very wholesome. Muthalik may be anti-BJP and Togadia may be on his own crazy trip but together they espouse Hindutva. The moment a political party has to explain that "their" Hindutva is different from "our" Hindutva, it has lost the plot.

Is it any wonder that BJP governments in the states want to dissociate themselves from Hindutva.

Finally, a comment on ideology. The term ideology suggests a codified set of beliefs which are constant. This may be true of religions based on textual certitudes but it can hardly serve as an intelligent guide to political action.

What is relevant is not ideology but ideas. Discussions are more meaningful when we get down to discuss concrete ideas and concrete issues of governance.

http://www.swapan55.com/2009/06/what-in-word.html

06-06-2009, 08:24 PM

It seems that BJP has opened its own News Channel

The name of the channel is CNEB.

http://www.cneb.in/

06-06-2009, 09:11 PM

QUOTE(AryanK @ Jun 6 2009, 09:54 AM)It seems that BJP has opened its own News Channel

The name of the channel is CNEB.

http://www.cneb.in/
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How do you know this is BJP channel? I would like to be doubly sure about that.

06-06-2009, 10:56 PM

Muppalla,

I'am not 100% sure about the channel.
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Swamy G,

Also Jaya is 60+. There is no second rung leader in AIADMK. BJP has a good chance because there will be a big vaccum in TN within the next 2 - 8 years
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AP situation

Move TTD Chief, urges Evangelists!
06/06/2009 03:50:27

Hyderabad: Christian Missionary groups in AP have met Andhra Chief Minister Samuel Reddy and demanded the removal of TTD Executive officer K. V. Ramanachary from his post.This is in wake of Hindu revival programs conducted by TTD which in turned checked
the conversion agenda of Christists among poor and naive.

TTD in recent past has stepped up Hindu culture based programs like Annamacharya Kiratns,BajaGovindam,DalitaGovindam ,teaching vedas to Fishermen & Tribalâs etc.The response to these Hindu revivalism was great.

This has angered Christian groups and are now unleashing their evil tactics once again.Chief Minister's son in law and a notorious evangelist is the mediator between Christist and CM, who himself is a crypto Christian.
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BJP needs a hardcore Hindu leader to start agitation on this Evangelists issue. It's right time for BJP in AP like Advani started Ram Janmabhoomi movement.

06-06-2009, 11:55 PM

QUOTE(Muppalla @ Jun 5 2009, 12:44 AM)
It is all about winning elections. ideological voters in India a very few. Election management and voter base expansion (not core) should be primary goal. Current thought process of hindutva or related concepts as election strategy is tested three times and it is not putting them in the power.
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Thank you for the honesty, appreciate it. I don't know how they an say with sincerity that they have tried it three times, but be that as it may, Good luck to them in becoming Congress B.

dhu · (This post was last modified: 06-07-2009, 01:29 AM by dhu.)

The Day After: A nationalist interpretation of Elections 2009

The Day After: Analyzing the numbers and poll percentages

06-07-2009, 03:24 AM

MLA's want Varun to lead in UP

A revolt-like situation is building up in the Uttar Pradesh unit of the BJP with party MLAs now categorically demanding that leadership of the state be handed over to Varun Gandhi.

A meeting of the BJP Legislature Party that began late on Friday evening and continued for almost five hours, saw party legislators in an extremely agitated mood.

"Time has come for the senior leaders in the party to restrict themselves to giving advice and blessings and leave the running of the party to younger leaders," the MLAs said in unison.

The mood at the party meeting was so aggressive, according to sources, that a senior RSS leader left midway in a huff while state BJP president Ramapati Ram Tripathi had no option but to nod his head in agreement all through.

The legislators said that the party had suffered maximum loss due to the dilution of the partyâs ideology.

"Those who are now criticising Narendra Modi and Varun Gandhi for the reverses in the elections should be asked to re-examine their own base among the masses. We suffered in UP because the party did not support Varun Gandhi strongly enough and dissenting voices within the party only added to the confusion. We have forgotten our base and should return to the Hindutva line. Those who cannot accept this, should be asked to leave," said one of the younger legislators.

The MLAs said that criticism of Mr Gandhiâs statement by a section of the BJP leaders had actually damaged the party in the elections. They asked the party leadership to stop oscillating between Hindutva and the "so-called secularism" and chose the original party line.

http://www.asianage.com/presentation/leftn...un-to-lead.aspx

06-07-2009, 03:28 AM

>>> Also Jaya is 60+. There is no second rung leader in AIADMK. BJP has a good chance because there will be a big vaccum in TN within the next 2 - 8 years

Watch out for the muslims to raise in TN. they will not have any goons to control them.

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