Christian Subversion And Missionary Activities - 6

06-22-2009, 05:13 AM

Child sexual abuse: Children's photos, DVDs found
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Chennai...how/4678154.cms

20 Jun 2009, 0513 hrs IST, Arun Ram, TNN

CHENNAI: Several photographs of children and three DVDs with unknown content are among the vital evidences collected by detectives of the
Gloucestershire Constabulary Child Protection Unit from the Kovalam beachside house of Patrick Matthews in the case of alleged child sexual abuse by the UK national. Matthews, a 62-year-old who worked as a volunteer at St George Anglo Indian Higher Secondary School in the city between 2003 and 2006 is accused of sexually abusing several boys of the school boarding. 

Earlier investigations had yielded indications that Matthews used to take boys from the school boarding to the Kovalam house. Detective inspector Mark Little, accompanied by the local police, on Thursday visited Matthew's seaside retreat on 58 Bajaraikoil Street in the fishing village of Kovalam, 25 km from the city.

The investigators have recovered the following items from the house named Lakshmi House': A black folder containing paperwork of Batemans Trust (which introduced Matthews to St George School as a volunteer); Three CDs/ DVDs, Two packets of various photographs (including those of children); a letter, and a floor plan of the Kovalam property. It is learnt that Matthews had taken with him the documents of the property and a laptop which he was using during his stay here.

The investigators interviewed several people in the village including panchayat president S Janakiraman, who happens to be the caretaker of Matthews' house.

Neighbours said Matthews used to bring a few boys from outside the village during his stay in the house. "The boys, who were said to be from Chennai, appeared to be in the age group of 10- 12 years. They would stay with him for two or three days at a stretch," said a neighbour. A woman down the street recollected Patri' (Patrick) as a genial man who liked to spend time with children in the village. "They (children) would flock to his place when he comes. He would give them T-shirts, candies and pencils," she said.

Gaining entry into the house, TOI found that the place was well maintained even in the absence of Matthews for almost three years now. The single-storey house that stands on a two-ground plot faces the sea. It has four rooms, including two bedrooms fitted with air-conditioners, built around a square atrium which is open to the sky. Bamboo chairs and Indian art on the walls give no indication that the occupant was a foreigner. A 1000-sq ft lawn with trees on one side of the house makes it an ideal summer retreat.

Though Matthews joined St George School as a volunteer only in 2003, Kovalam villagers said he has been around for almost 15 years. "Matthews first came as a guest at a nearby star hotel. He kept coming back from the UK a few years. He befriended the headmaster of a school in the village and used to stay with him during his visits. About eight years ago, something went wrong between them and Matthews decided to buy land and build his own house here," said a village elder.

While one of the villagers interviewed by the investigators said the house was registered in Matthews' name, agencies will now be looking into the legality of Matthews, a foreigner in India, owning real estate here. While the Tranfer of Properties Act is silent on a foreigner registering land in his name, the Foreign Exchange Maintenance Act calls for permission from the Reserve Bank of India

G.Subramaniam · 06-22-2009, 08:08 AM

Xtian boss thrashes and abuses hindu dalit

Hindustan times

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In a shocking incident, a Dalit was thrashed and his hair and moustache partly clipped by his employer in Thrissur, 75 km north of Kochi.

His crime: he couldnât attend duty for two days due to ill health.

K. Subramanyan, 42, a driver with a private English medium school, was hospitalised on Saturday morning.

Station house officer of Guruvayur K. Abhilash, who took proprietor John Rafi, 43, and his aides into custody, confirmed the crime.

When Rafi summoned Subramanyan on Saturday night, the driver never expected such treatment from his employer.

âMy hands and legs were tied after I reached his house. He started beating me with a cane,â Subramanyan, now admitted in a hospital, told HT.

âLater, he ordered two of his aides to bring a pair of scissors and my hair and moustache were cut partly. I begged him not to do it but he didnât listen.â

âWhile hitting me, he kept on insulting my caste and abused me badly,â he added.

Subramanyan was initially reluctant to lodge a complaint with the police, fearing a reprisal from his employer.

A police official said Subramanyan hadnât reported for work at the Vanivilasom School for two days after he was taken ill.

The proprietor, a local toughie, then decided to âdisciplineâ him.

Husky · 06-22-2009, 11:15 PM

^ News link to the above piece of christoterrorist barbarism is:
www.hindustantimes.com/Redir.aspx?ID=43b2779a-6ffd-4343-ab92-c7aa04dedd82&SectionName=India
Dalit driver tonsured for missing work in Kerala
Ramesh Babu, Hindustan Times
Thiruvananthapuram, June 22, 2009

That's just more christoterrorism of the remaining Hindus there, most of whom have already been ethnic cleansed from the coastal region by christoislamaniacs.

Thiruvananthapuram "Trivandrum" -
http://rajeev2004.blogspot.com/2009/05/beh...e-and-love.html
QUOTEthe hindus have already been given their choice: convert, die or flee. there are no hindus left on the coast. the great 'saint' francis xavier converted the fishermen at gunpoint (but with great love) some centuries ago, and now the peaceful people, flush with arab money and pakistani counterfeit rupees, are buying up the coast, much to the chagrin of the the love guys.

when your flight lands in trivandrum, you can see four or five pink or green mosques, some of them monstrously large and brand new, and six or seven churches, complete with red neon crosses on top, beckoning. the one old hindu temple there, a devi temple, has been given a present by the communists -- a giant 50-feet-long statue of a voluptuous, big-breasted, half-naked, obviously sexually aroused woman, which is placed strategically just in front of the temple.

Husky · (This post was last modified: 06-23-2009, 08:17 PM by Husky.)

http://haindavakeralam.com/HKPage.aspx?P...848&SKIN=C
QUOTEShocking Stories from Assam - Gun Point Conversions by Christian Terrorists
22/06/2009 13:48:48Â

Conversion bid by armed men resented

http://www.assamtribune.com/scripts/detail...=jun2309/State3

SILCHAR, June 22 â Bhuvan Pahar, one of the most holy places in south Assam, particularly in Barak Valley, 38 km from Silchar town, has come under the threat of miscreants. Gun-totting members of a newly formed militant group, named Manmasi National Christian Army, comprising 15 rebels, has been forcing the residents of Bhuban Pahar under the threat of gun to convert to Christianity.

This information was forwarded to Sonai Police which along with the 5th Assam Rifles conducted a search operation which led to the arrest of 13 miscreants, including their commander-in-chief. Two SBBL guns and a country-made pistol along with sufficient quantity of ammunition were seized from their possession. All the miscreants were handed over to Sonai Police for further investigation.

This group of miscreants, dressed in black with a red cross on their back, along with arms, enter from Tipaimukh through Barak river by boat and mount Bhuvan Pahar. They threatened and asked the Hindu people of Tezpur village, including the priest of this famous Hindu temple, to convert into Christianity.
(They're not miscreants. They're christians. Say it right. This is what the cretins and their crusade do. That's what their non-existent jeebusjehovallah goads them on to - that prince of 'peace'.)

The problem there began when some Hmar miscreants stated themselves to be members of Manmasi National Christian Army and had started putting pressure on the Hindu residents of Bhuvan Pahar to become Christians. The local residents also said that Manmasi National Christian Army cadres had painted cross symbol on the walls of the temples with their blood.
(In South Korea, christoterrorists drew red crosses on the Buddhist temples they vandalised. Couple of examples of this at end of this post.)

Sources said, the pressure from the Hmar militants began at least two months back when the Congress, led by Lalthanhwala, acquired power in the neighboring State of Mizoram.

At least seven to eight Hmar youths were frequently visiting Bhuvan Pahar, which had nearly 700 Hindu people as well as eight Hindu temples. These Hmar youths approached with gun in one hand and the Bible in the other.
(Like the christoPortuguese: sword in one hand and babble in the other. See below.
Like the islamofascists: sword in one hand koran in the other.)

Sources said that the Hmar youths had a meeting with the villagers in Tezpur village on the Bhuvan Pahar and distributed Bible among the villagers. They had even built up a church in Tezpur village.

Meanwhile, Rajkumar, priest of Naga mandir on Bhuvan Pahar, told VHP members that he was forced by the Hmars to show them the tracks on the Pahar at gunpoint. Further, the Hmars posted a flag, a tabloid and a Holy Cross on the wall of one of the temples bearing date May 29, 2009.

VHP leaders were shown the video footage containing the Hindu temples which had blood-stained Holy Cross symbol. A local resident of the area said that pilgrims from various parts of the country had been visiting Bhuvan Pahar since 1816, but now Christians were forcing the Hindus to convert. These Hmar youths come from Mizoram and they have powerful patrons behind them. The VHP had asked the administration to arrange for security of the Hindu temples, priests as well as the Hindu residents there.
Violent version of christoterrorist timeline in South Korea.
Oh, how one wonders where the arms are coming from. Who organised them. Who funds them. It's all such a question mark. (Church backing Tripura rebels - BBC News, 18 April, 200 - American Baptist church in Tripura's case.) No doubt there's been a lot of money for this and for future christoterrorist endeavours raised by western cretinism from the various "christians are persecuted in Orissa" google ads.

There should be the same law for christoterrorists as for islamoterrorists: shoot on sight. Never let them kill any Hindus or touch a Temple. Never let the vampires fang anyone and pass on their vampyrism=cretinism through their forced conversions. Else it could turn into Nagaland.
Or rather, Assam - due to both the christo and islamic presence - could become like Thiruvananthapuram area with the alien, unwelcome, illegal christoislamania and its maniacs ethnically cleansing the native Hindus.

http://www.buddhapia.com/eng/tedesco/2.html
QUOTE1989 April. Five to six individuals destroy a Buddha statue and paint red crucifixes on a large outdoor Ma-ae Buddha figure carved into the rock on Samgaksan Mountain on the outskirts of Seoul. In all, some 10 temples are severely damaged or desecrated in the days immediately before and after the national Buddha's Birthday holidays.
QUOTE1995 September.Â A fundamentalist Christian by the name of Pak Oh-Sun is apprehended after entering and causing serious damage to five temples on Chejudo. He burns Buddha statues at the temples, in addition to other damage.

A Protestant minister is apprehended after painting a large red cross onto the altar painting behind the Buddha at Mu-Ã»i sa Temple in Kangjin, Chollanamdo. He is released without charges. Later an unknown person carves a crucifix below the same Buddha image.
QUOTE1996. [...] A large red crucifix is painted in a concrete shelter used by Buddhist monks for meditation, located one hundred meters above Hwagyesa Temple on Samgaksan Mountain on the outskirts of Seoul.


Reprise Goa:
http://web.archive.org/web/20070314210139/...997-10-20.shtml
QUOTEOctober 1997
RELIGION Is the March over? A Hindu renaissance has slowly swept the former Portuguese colony of Goa since its 1961 liberation by India from 400 years of foreign rule. By Mario Cabral e Sa, Goa
[...]
"conversions were made," wrote contemporary Portuguese chroniclers, with "the cross in one hand, the sword in the other"

Hindus should press for declaring christianism and islamism illegal in the country and seek to get the terrorist ideologies banned, and to get those who insist on following christoislamicommunism to be deported to Saudi Arabia (for islamism) and Vatican's dungeons and/or USA's KKK or Banjo Country (for christianism) and North Korea (for communism). And also for christianism: deport the sheep to those parts of Europe where Roma are persecuted. That way Roma can be left in peace and the christoterrorist cannibal sheep from India (NLFT, NSCN, Orissa's christo 'maoists', Kerala's nunneries and priesties and Suzanna 'Arundhati' Roys and Anita Simons) can become target practice for christo-European mobs instead.

But I'm sure secular 'Hindu' people will still imagine one can live with christianism and islamism. That these are somehow still Indian nationals or citizens. No. Nazism is illegal - being recognised as a genocidal ideology - and nazism is what christoislamism is and worse. Terrorist ideologies have no rights.

06-26-2009, 08:36 AM

Anti conversion laws to be repealed by new govt
QUOTEPosted:
Tuesday, 23 June 2009, 17:46 (IST)
Anti-conversion laws to be repealed by new govt
India's Home Minister P Chidambaram in New Delhi May 25, 2009. (Reuters)

By: Dibin Samuel

Tuesday, 23 June 2009, 17:46 (IST)

Finally, there might be some good news for Christians in states where anti-conversion laws are in force. The newly elected government has agreed to repeal bills that have restricted the freedom of religion in India.

According to sources, Home Minister P Chidambaram will be reviewing and making recommendations on the controversial anti-conversion bill also known as "Freedom of Religion Acts".

Presently, anti-conversion laws are in force in five states - Orissa, Madhya Pradesh, Chhattisgarh, Himachal Pradesh and Gujarat. In two other states - Arunachal Pradesh and Rajasthan, the laws have been passed but its implementation is awaited.

...............

While Hindu nationalists are pushing for a national anti-conversion law, Church leaders have appealed that the anti-conversion legislation in all states be overruled and a minority-friendly atmosphere be created.

http://in.christiantoday.com/articles/anti...w-govt/4082.htm

Husky · (This post was last modified: 07-03-2009, 05:32 PM by Husky.)

^ Important.

Not that people didn't know this. It's what the christoparasite (the meme of genocidal terrorism) does.

1. http://rajeev2004.blogspot.com/2009/06/tim...-classical.html
QUOTEtim o'reilly: the benefits of a classical education in business
jun 24th, 2009

meanwhile, the kkkangress and the 'eminent historians' have destroyed all chances of a classical education in india by making sanskrit inaccessible and by demonizing all sanskrit literature as communal.

i suspect, however, that the christists have a plan. once they have successfully killed off hinduism, they will absorb and project all sanskrit literature as a great part of their own heritage.

after all, this is precisely what they did to greece and rome. the 'classical' stuff o'reilly is talking about really has nothing to do with the christist culture -- in fact it was eradicated by the christists, and it was the mohammedans who actually kept copies of the stuff during the 'golden era of christism' when the church ruled (aka the dark ages).

http://radar.oreilly.com/2009/06/benefits-...-education.html
Posted by nizhal yoddha at 6/24/2009 11:41:00 PM 1 comments 2. The comment on the above Rajeev2004 blog entry:
QUOTEBloggerÂ Non Carborundum said...

Â Â Rajeev,

Â Â Here you go....

Â Â Christianity and the Origin of Sanskrit
Â Â Dr. Alexander Harris

Â Â www.appiusforum.com/paper.pdf

Â Â 6/25/2009 8:44 AMJust more proof that christianism is a thieving mass-murdering religion based on a LIE.

3. See also
http://haindavakeralam.com/HKPage.aspx?P...801&SKIN=B
QUOTE Exposed - Mumbai Arch Bishop's Blatant Lie
12/06/2009 09:48:17Â P. Deivamuthu

I attended the Press Conference, held today (12th June 2009) at 3.30 p.m. at the Shanmukhananda Hall, King Circle, Mumbai, addressed by Kanchi Shankaracharya Swamiji and the Archbishop of Mumbai, Cardinal Oswald Gracias, subsequent to the Inter-Religious Dialogue held at the same venue.

After their Press Briefing, when question time arrived, I put a question to Cardinal Oswald Gracias:

"In the Indian Community Bible released by Mumbai Catholic Church, you have included hundreds of verses from Vedas and Upanishads. Does this not amount to stealing the intellectual property of Hindus?".

The answer given by the Cardinal was "I am not aware of this"

Now look at the press reports published by Mumbai newspapers datelined July 09, 2008, reproduced below:

==============================================================

Mumbai, July 09, 2008: The Catholic Church has released a special Bible for India, one that has reference to Indian scriptures, uses Indian cultural and religious themes, and will appeal to the new generation.

The liberative knowledge of the spirit (atman) is to be attained through âseeing, listening, reflecting and meditatingâ This verse from the hoary Brihadaranyaka Upanishad explains chapter 51 of the Book of Isaiah, in The New Community Bible (Catholic Edition) for India.

Church leaders called the book, that was released in Mumbai last month by the Archbishop of Bombay, Oswald Cardinal Gracias, "a work of lasting importance".

Christened the âIndian Bibleâ, the book is the culmination of a significant 18-year long experiment by the local Catholic Church to adapt the Bible for the Indian community.

Thus, apart from using Indian cultural and religious themes in the narrative, the book also uses English that is familiar to Indians, unlike the older editions of the holy book.

This Indianised bible also dipicts Virgin Mary in a sari and Joseph clad in a loincloth and turban.

=============================================================

Having himself released the Book - The New Community Bible - the Cardinal had the temerity to say that he was not aware of it, in the presence of about 30 journalists and photographers. If this is not a blatant lie, what is it?

My subsequent question was:

"Does that mean that Bible was written by human beings, and has nothing to do with Jesus Christ?"

His answer was: "It was spoken by the God and written by people".

P. Deivamuthu
Editor, Hindu Voice
4. Repeat: to put the above into context, here's the important comment by Swami Devananda Saraswati ("Ishwar Sharan") again
http://www.vijayvaani.com/FrmPublicDisplay...cle.aspx?id=638
QUOTEÂ The idea to incorporate Hindu scriptures into the Christian Bible originated with the Inculturation missionary Fr. Bede Griffiths aka Swami Dayananda of Sachidananda Ashram, also known as Shanti Vanam, near Trichy. He reasoned that as the Church was able to incorporated the Hebrew Bible (Old Testament) with its primitive concept of a jealous creator God into the Christian Bible, it was logical for the Church to incorporate the far more sophisticated concepts of God found in the Vedas and Upanishads into an Indian Christian Bible. Theologians like Fr. Raimond Panikkar, who knew Sanskrit and had a knowledge of Hindu scripture, agreed with Griffiths though he pretended to be a critic of Griffiths' inculturation tactics. Now we see that Griffiths' idea of joining the Veda with the New Testament, and therefore "fulfilling" the Vedic religion and bringing it to fruition in Jesus, has been taken up seriously by the Indian bishops. It is a form plagiarism with an ulterior motive behind it, but hasn't the SC ruled that the Vedas belong to all of humanity? The day will soon come when Hindus cannot call even their most sacred scriptures their own. Â
Â SDSÂ
Â 17 Jun 2009

This is what christianism always does. Dividing using the Japhetic-Hamitic myth, creating Dravoodian and Oryan identities, setting up Tamizh and Samskritan as opposing/mutually-exclusive language spheres, thus alienating and then converting the populace. Thereafter, when it finds the time is right, it will start appropriating from the original native religio-culture that it had atomically-split and declare that christianism brought peace and unity, and that christianism is the repository of "culture" (having stolen Hindu Dharma=the religio-culture - in the form of Hindu literature, Samskritram and Tamizh and claimed these for its own). See example at bottom.

1. First it secularises Hindu religion (which is all Hindu things - like our clothes, languages, religious scriptures and literature, arts, crafts, rituals, architecture; EVERYTHING that they have started calling "merely Indian culture")
2. Having secularised these things, the christian terrorists will then slowly start claiming this "culture" is actually christian in origin.
- Like the claim to Samskritam in point 2 above.
- Like they are claiming the Hindu sage Tiruvalluvalar and his works as a "christian" now.
- Like they are incorporating Hindu RELIGIOUS scriptures into the "Indian babble" now. See point 3 above.

Note how the christoconverts who have been pushing for dravoodianism in TN and those brainwashed into dravoodianism will NOT complain as much were the church to reintroduce Samskritam as a christian product. Just like the christoterrorists of TN don't complain when English is used to eradicate Tamizh.
That's because dravoodianism is a cover for christianism - christians hide behind the dravoodian tag and movement. There's a few secular brainwashees to serve the overall purpose and give added momentum, but dravoodianism is fundamentally a movement guided by christianism for christian purposes alone: to promote christianism, to eradicate Hindu Dharma 1. By cutting Tamizh Hindus off from their innately Hindu identity; 2. By making Tamizh Hindus hate their own ancestral Hindu identity.

ADDED:
An example of the christoterrorist appropriation/theft encouraged by christomedia:
The following article from the catholic paper "Deccan chronicle" posted by Ramana last year first starts by secularising the Pottu/Bindi from being Hindu to "universally" Indian. (Also read the article in full.) It of course brings in the japhetites/oryans too, and concludes that "the women of India" should all wear the pottu; as if the mark has anything remotely to do with non-Hindu women:
QUOTE(ramana @ Jun 23 2008, 09:29 PM)From Deccan Chronicle, 22 June 2008, Sunday Chronicle section....

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTEBindi yatra 
Â
The bindi, which is symbolic of an Indian woman, holds a special place in the hearts of the people. [...]
It is the symbol of being Indian. The women of India should take pride in the fact that they are carrying on a tradition that was probably started by the Aryans. By wearing a bindi, they respect not just the tradition, but also its history.
(secularised 'tradition', christian narration of 'history')
[right][snapback]83215[/snapback][/right]</div>And so, when in some recent month msn hotmail was splashed with pictures of the scary catholic bollywho amrita arora marrying some islamic, her catholic sister, malaika arora (also a mrs islamic), could be seen in a Gagra Choli (I don't know how you spell that), with what looked like a silver bindi and with Kungumam/Kumkum on the part of the forehead where it meets the hair-parting area.

Applying the sacred Kungumam in the hair-parting area is one of the several religious marks of a married Hindu woman.

The christos should do christian culture: veil their heads/wear the headscarf in church (=biblical commandment, else it commands that their hair be cut off), indulge in genocide (=biblical commandment). You know, all the jeebus-inspired stuff.

Husky · (This post was last modified: 06-26-2009, 09:55 PM by Husky.)

"Christian women, nuns, brutally attacked!"

By - who else - christian thugs=the clergy.

http://haindavakeralam.com/HKPage.aspx?P...857&SKIN=K
QUOTEMore Rebellious Nuns discard their 'Sisterhood'
25/06/2009 12:32:41Â HK

Kochi: The number of Rebellious Nuns are in rise now a days , especially from Kerala who dare to Challenge the atrocities committed against them by Christian clergy.
Following the path of Sister Jesmi, Another Senior Sister Tina of Syro-Malabar Church decided to leave the congregation.It took 35 years of harrassment and suppression for Sister Tina to blow the whistle .

Few months ago, in January Sister Tina and other Nuns in their Nunnery were brutally assaulted by the thugs send by the Clergy itself. Interestingly the comrades and christian congress men who cry aloud for Nuns across the country were silent when these Nuns were asaulted well beneath their nose in Thiruvananthapuram! The differences between Nunnery and Church arised over matters over control over a NjarakkalÂ Little flower School.

Just like the silence maintained by Cultural and Secular Kerala to the alarming truths revealed by Sister Jesmi in her Autobiography Amen, No Human Right activist or Women Activist are now in the bedside of Sister Tina who is recovering from a accident in a Hospital in KochiAnd the media's silent too.

Husky · (This post was last modified: 06-26-2009, 10:46 PM by Husky.)

About:
http://haindavakeralam.com/HKPage.aspx?P...848&SKIN=C
Assam - Gun Point Conversions by Christian Terrorists
22/06/2009 13:48:48
http://www.assamtribune.com/scripts/detail...=jun2309/State3
Conversion bid by armed men resented

One of the comments on the above at HK:
QUOTEArindam Bandyopadhyay
23/06/2009 10:15:02Â Shocking Stories from Assam - Gun Point Conversions by Christian Terrorists

Yes it happens in India.

It is not an isolated event and it is not restricted to one geographic area in India. The only thing that is rare about it is that it has been reported.

The implications of Congress winning a neighbouring state is much more than a mere speculation.

The secular media will not report it.

The pseudosecular intelligentsia will overlook it.

The apologetic, ignorant and gullible Hindus will pretend that it does not happen.

The âinvisibleâ anti national forces will rejoice it.

There will be no apology, no national or international decry, no denouncement as national shame, no surveillance by human and religious rights group.

But you can bet that if any Hindu group retaliates, it will be a different storyâ¦.
Two of the other comments:
QUOTE vijay
23/06/2009 10:52:10Â shocking
really shocking but many newspaper and tv chanels ignore this why they afried vatican and soniya

KSV SUBRAMANIAN
22/06/2009 19:21:41Â Under anti-hindu Congress the destiny of hindus is sealed
Under the Congress regime the conversion activities are bound to achieve momentum. There surely is a hidden agenda to convert the hindu population of India to alien religions. Otherwise why the Congress Government and its bootlicking media are not concerned with such activities and they only wake up when there is resistance from the hindus.

Husky · (This post was last modified: 06-29-2009, 03:24 PM by Husky.)

1. Jesuitry:
http://rajeev2004.blogspot.com/2009/06/rad...success-of.html
QUOTEWednesday, June 24, 2009
radha rajan: Cardinal Hails Success of Catholic-Hindu Meeting,
jun 24th, 2009

well, radha, there is also 'cardinal sin'.

i have always been entertained by a filipino godman whose name is 'jaime cardinal sin'.

anyway, the christists' major weapons are a) AK47s, b) lying and truth by repeated assertion in that order.

why would anybody expect the christists to not lie through their teeth at any time?

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Radha Rajan

We have the completely untruthful English coinage 'cardinal' truth, 'cardinal' principle...I now offer the world a new phrase - 'cardinal' spin. For those of us who know exactly what transpired here, this 'cardinal' spin is audacious, to put it politely. To cap all spins and half-truths, non-truths and hidden truths of this interfaith, this news report can be construed to mean that Pujya Pewriava also attended vespers. RR

On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 10:53 AM, Krishnan <kans_taks@yahoo.com> wrote:

Â Â http://www.zenit.org/article-26205?l=english

Posted by nizhal yoddha at 6/24/2009 11:19:00 PM

2. http://vijayvaani.com/FrmPublicDisplayAr...spx?id=662
âDravidianâ New Year Ordinance facing defeat and death
B R Haran
28 Jun 2009

And one of the comments:
QUOTEThanks a lot Mr.Haran for your informed article. The three questions posed by the Honourable Judges of Madras High Court will never convincing answers from the corrupt and anti-Hindu DMK Government. I strongly suspect that there is an active hidden agenda by anti-Hindu and pro-coversion forces in Tamilnadu to shake the icons of Hinduism like Sankara Mutt, Chidambaram Temple and strong Hindu traditions like Tamil New Year Day. We should stay ever vigilant and retaliate against such measuresÂ Â
Â Ramesh T RÂ
Â 28 Jun 2009"Suspect" is such a weak word in this case.
It's a certainty.

ADDED:
3. http://www.dailypioneer.com/184668/Let-Chu...ndus-alone.html
Let Church leave Hindus alone : Sandhya Jain
Sandhya Jain on the Vatican-Hindu summit

(Let christianism leave Hindus alone <- There's an even BETTER - certainly more complete - and foolproof idea.)

4. Particularly the madness in the expressbuzz item linked to here:
http://rajeev2004.blogspot.com/2009/06/fin...-injection.html
QUOTEfine example of 'christist by injection'
jun 25th, 2009

this usha uthup is married to a christist, which the laudatory article about jesus (existence be upon him!) is quiet about: uthup is a kerala christist name.

so she's clearly become 'christist by injection' even though she was born a hindu.

of course, the rest of what she says suggests 'christism by brainwashing' through their brainwashing centers known as schools.

this is what these blighters are achieving through insidious means.

http://www.expressbuzz.com/edition/story.a...4fBHAeKn3LcnQ==
Posted by nizhal yoddha at 6/28/2009 11:35:00 AM 0 comments

Husky · 06-29-2009, 07:31 PM

Why not in this thread?

http://vijayvaani.com/FrmPublicDisplayAr...spx?id=663
QUOTEEclipse of the Hindu Nation
Radha Rajan
29 Jun 2009

Historically, the sense of nation and nationhood among Hindus has been cultural and civilisational. The culture and its unique value system, founded in an extraordinary concept of dharma, touched every aspect of individual and collective life. Politics, a means to protect and preserve dharma, was subordinate to dharma.

Historically, until Hindus faced successive Islamic and Christian conquests, they had no sense of civilisational, adversarial political-cultural purposes. However, confronted with the hostility of Islam and Christianity, a heightened Hindu nationalism manifested itself over the last 1200 years as organized resistance and as individual acts of extreme courage to protect Hindus and the Hindu way of life. Rana Pratap Singh, Rani Laxmibai of Jhansi, Chhatrapati Shivaji, Guru Gobind Singh, the Gosamrakshana Samitis, Sri Aurobindo, Veer Savarkar, Madanlal Dhingra and the host of revolutionaries who followed each other into the twentieth century, are but a few examples of this continuing resistance. These individual and group resistance movements ignited the fire of Hindu nationalism and gave to this nation of Hindus a political consciousness which sought to bring Indian polity in line with the Hindu ethos, to wean it away from the acutely inimical anti-Hindu path it is even now traversing.

Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi [1] and later Jawaharlal Nehru successfully stifled the march of Hindu nationalism. Nehru viewed a politically vibrant Hindu nationalism as a threat to his preeminence and invoked the might of state patronage to promote an academic discourse and an âauthorizedâ history that relegated Hindu civilization to the margins of national consciousness [2]

Writers of modified history [3] perpetuated the colonial fiction that India was always pluralist, never Hindu, the implication being that Hindus cannot claim this land as their special janmabhumi, and cannot legitimately undertake steps to protect their territory, their way of life, or their cultural sensibilities. Public expression of support for the Hindu way of life was termed backward, superstitious, majoritarian communalism and retrogressive vis-Ã -vis superior virtues like âscientific temperâ, secularism and pluralism, which India unquestioningly adopted via Gandhi and Nehru from their White-Christian-British masters.
(And christians in India are no less treacherous. And they are more of a direct threat to Dharmic lives.)

Hindus were insidiously conditioned to equate Hindu political intentions with jihad. So intolerant was Indian political discourse to Hindu nationalism that even eminent Hindu political leaders took to mouthing inanities, like âHindu nationalism is only cultural nationalism.â That this misconceived articulation amounted to a denial of territorial content and political intent in Hindu nationalism was either overlooked or ignored or simply not understood at all.

The present work is an attempt to balance Indiaâs distorted public discourse by outlining the contours and content of Hindu nationalism. This is a responsibility and an imperative that can no longer be evaded. The anti-Hindu polity today constitutes the greatest threat to Hindus and the Hindu nation. This work seeks to delineate the parameters of Hindu nationalism and fire it with strategic intent. In the process the book critically examines the freedom movement between the years 1890-1947, particularly the events that launched Gandhi to the commanding heights of the movement. Gandhi did not rise naturally to demonstrated leadership potential; rather, this exalted position was reserved for him and he simply walked to the pinnacle immediately after his return to India from South Africa.

Gandhiâs leadership of the Indian National Congress and the freedom movement sounded the death-knell for Hindu nationalism, as we hope to demonstrate; and after Gandhi and Nehru (who inherited Gandhiâs political mantle) hand-picked all Congress members to the Constituent Assembly, the Hindus of the nation were presented with a Constitution that did not reflect the nationâs timeless civilisational ethos or heritage nor represent the interests of the nationâs majority Hindu populace.

The beginning of the post-independence era in the nationâs history was the beginning of an active anti-Hindu polity that continues to hold sway till the present. This book seeks to correct the anti-Hindu political discourse which owes its existence to Gandhi and Nehru; this book signals the beginning of the collective effort of political-minded Hindus to set down the coffins of Gandhi and Nehru from the unwilling shoulders of the Hindu nation.Â

Notes
1] As standard academic practice, we are using names without suffixes such as Mahatma or Gandhiji.
2] The dubious motives behind international awards for those that propagate a non-Hindu India is exemplified by the American Kluge prize awarded jointly to Romila Thapar. âMs. Thapar created a new and more pluralistic view of Indian civilization, which had seemed more unitary and unchanging by scrutinising its evolution over two millennia and searching out its historical consciousnessâ, the Library of Congress said. (Deccan Chronicle, Chennai ed., p. 8, 5 December 2008)
3] Historians such as R.S. Sharma, D.N. Jha and Romila Thapar exemplify this school of writing.

[Excerpted from
Eclipse of the Hindu Nation: Gandhi and HIS Freedom Struggle
Radha Rajan
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Bharatvarsh · 06-29-2009, 10:30 PM

QUOTEConversion bid by armed men resented
CORRESPONDENT
SILCHAR, June 22 â Bhuvan Pahar, one of the most holy places in south Assam, particularly in Barak Valley, 38 km from Silchar town, has come under the threat of miscreants. Gun-totting members of a newly formed militant group, named Manmasi National Christian Army, comprising 15 rebels, has been forcing the residents of Bhuban Pahar under the threat of gun to convert to Christianity.

This information was forwarded to Sonai Police which along with the 5th Assam Rifles conducted a search operation which led to the arrest of 13 miscreants, including their commander-in-chief. Two SBBL guns and a country-made pistol along with sufficient quantity of ammunition were seized from their possession. All the miscreants were handed over to Sonai Police for further investigation.

This group of miscreants, dressed in black with a red cross on their back, along with arms, enter from Tipaimukh through Barak river by boat and mount Bhuvan Pahar. They threatened and asked the Hindu people of Tezpur village, including the priest of this famous Hindu temple, to convert into Christianity.

The problem there began when some Hmar miscreants stated themselves to be members of Manmasi National Christian Army and had started putting pressure on the Hindu residents of Bhuvan Pahar to become Christians. The local residents also said that Manmasi National Christian Army cadres had painted cross symbol on the walls of the temples with their blood.

Sources said, the pressure from the Hmar militants began at least two months back when the Congress, led by Lalthanhwala, acquired power in the neighboring State of Mizoram.

At least seven to eight Hmar youths were frequently visiting Bhuvan Pahar, which had nearly 700 Hindu people as well as eight Hindu temples. These Hmar youths approached with gun in one hand and the Bible in the other.

Sources said that the Hmar youths had a meeting with the villagers in Tezpur village on the Bhuvan Pahar and distributed Bible among the villagers. They had even built up a church in Tezpur village.

Meanwhile, Rajkumar, priest of Naga mandir on Bhuvan Pahar, told VHP members that he was forced by the Hmars to show them the tracks on the Pahar at gunpoint. Further, the Hmars posted a flag, a tabloid and a Holy Cross on the wall of one of the temples bearing date May 29, 2009.

VHP leaders were shown the video footage containing the Hindu temples which had blood-stained Holy Cross symbol. A local resident of the area said that pilgrims from various parts of the country had been visiting Bhuvan Pahar since 1816, but now Christians were forcing the Hindus to convert. These Hmar youths come from Mizoram and they have powerful patrons behind them. The VHP had asked the administration to arrange for security of the Hindu temples, priests as well as the Hindu residents there.

http://www.assamtribune.com/scripts/detail...=jun2309/State3

Husky · 06-30-2009, 09:50 AM

K.Ram already posted the news item the following refers to, am posting the link here for a comment at the Rajeev2004 blog:
QUOTESunday, June 28, 2009
Anti-conversion laws to be repealed by new govt
jun 28th, 2009

naturally.

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Anti-conversion laws to be repealed by new govt
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The comment:
QUOTEBloggerÂ Canis said...

Â Â Interestingly the Himachal anticonversion law was passed not by the BJP but by the previous congress govt. My friend in Simla tells me that the then chief minister Veerbhadra Singh was summoned to Delhi by Her Most Exalted Imperial Majesty and given a finger wagging scolding but he stuck to his guns.

dhu · 07-01-2009, 09:39 AM

Youtube comments by Africans in America

QUOTEtrkddy (3 weeks ago) Show Hide

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we have no culture, the so called 'culture' we have in this contry today is just a history of struggle and pain. Our culture is american culture, if we truly held on to our real west african,etc culture then every one of us would be able to speak a second african language, haveï»¿ an african religion and family tradtions.

HareKrishna · 07-02-2009, 05:48 PM

Husky,Jun 18 2009, 09:57 PM Wrote:Â 18 Jun 2009

Elst is wrong.
NEVER a dialogue with christianism. Death first.

[/quote]
Close the Bible ,open the Bhagavad Gita.

Husky · (This post was last modified: 07-02-2009, 08:46 PM by Husky.)

QUOTE(HareKrishna @ Jul 2 2009, 05:48 PM)<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Husky @ Jun 18 2009, 09:57 PM)
Elst is wrong.
NEVER a dialogue with christianism. Death first.


Close the Bible ,open the Bhagavad Gita.
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In case it wasn't clear:
"Death first" refers to "sooner die than dialogue with genocidal maniacs".
It does NOT mean "kill the christians before dialoguing with them".

It is used in literature. Even movies. To pick a popular (and most memorable) example, IIRC the hysterical comedy "The Princess Bride" has it too: where the swordsman hero is surrounded and asked to surrender and says "Death first". Hmmm, maybe I got the movie wrong, but the line and context are right.

It does NOT mean suicide either.
It implies defiance. A refusal to accept the other's terms, a "Fight you for it".

It's like the americanism "over my dead body".

ADDED:
Movie confirmed. The Princess Bride it is.
www.imdb.com/title/tt0093779/quotes
QUOTEPrince Humperdinck: This is your last chance! Surrender now!
Westley: DEATH FIRST!

Husky · 07-03-2009, 01:48 PM

http://haindavakeralam.com/HkPage.aspx?P...881&SKIN=C
QUOTEInculturation and the Hybrid Bible
30/06/2009 14:26:06Â

By G P Srinivasan

It is not at all surprising for me to know that the Archbishop of Mumbai lied to editor, Hindu Voice while answering his question on The New Community Bible during the press meet held on 12th June 2009,Â 3.30 p.m at the famous Shanmukhanada Hall, Mumbai.
(Mumbai Arch Bishop's Blatant Lie)

Just read the following quote.

"When the existence of the Church is threatened, she is released from the commandments of morality with unity (of the Church) as the end; the use of every means is sanctified, even cunning, treachery, violence, simony, prison, death for all order is for the sake of community and the individual must be sacrificed to the common good" - Bishop of Verden, AD 1411. (Darkness at Noon by Arthur Koestler, Time Reading Program, 1941, Macmilan Co. Page 77).

Ends justify the means.
(One of the mottos of jesuitry)

Inculturation, as propounded by the Vatican Council II Documents 1, is the plan of Christians being within the folds of culture, tradition and heritage of any people, posing as faithful devotees and declare the "hidden Christ" at right moment, so that they (dubbed as heathens, infidels & unbelievers) would become "Christians". Till such time, they have to adapt and adopt their culture and related customs, practices and manners. They even build Temple-like Churches, use Hindu symbols and paraphernalia extensively and the Christian priests roam as Hindu Sanyasis and Sadhus. By the Vatican Directive Prot. N. 802/69 dated April 25, 1969, Twelve Points of Inculturation were permitted in India. So far, the "Inculturation" activities carried out by the Christian missionaries among the Saivites have been the topics discussed in selected and published books also. The authors have come across a Jesuit, who has been carrying out his activities among the Srivaishnavas for around 30 years. He is Professor FX. Clooney from Harvard University's Divinity department, following the steps of Roberto de Nobili . It is well known as to how Roberto de Nobili, a Jesuit came from Italy claiming as a "Roman Brahmin", donned ochre robes, learned Indian languages, forged "Yasur Veda", was tried by the Ecclesiastical Court and finally died in Chennai itself without any news.

In 2000, after the Pope's condemnation of practice of Yoga and other Eastern Meditation methods by the Catholic priests and others, some Christians have also started criticizing the inculturation programmes. However, the ongoing activities by the inculturation and Inter-religious / Faith groups / programs clearly prove that they are pursued vigorously with the same old plans. Though, Fr. Bede Griffiths has not openly recorded in his writings, Jesuits like Ignatitius Hrudhayam, Francis X. Clooney, Amaladas and others have revealed that they follow Roberto de Nobili as their role model. Thus, the succeeding Jesuits in India have taken his method of "Inculturation" as a "role model" overtly and covertly. The mushrooming Catholic Ashrams and increasing ochre rob clad Christian priests and preachers amply prove their game-plan.

Gullible Hindus

Gullible Hindus are found often helping Christians in their Inculturation directly and indirectly, knowingly or unknowingly. They simply think that these Christians want to know Hinduism and they are happy that the white skinned foreigners too want to follow their religious practices.

Academic Iron Curtain
Dr. Bettina Baumer, a German is based in Varanasi. She is well versed in Sanskrit. She has studied Kashmir Saivism also. She has ingratiated herself with Hindu Scriptures. About 18 year ago (1991), she arranged a conference in Dehradun. Selected Scholars about twenty in number participated in this closed conference which lasted six days. The theme of the conference was âMysticism in Christianity and Saivismâ. The Director of the International Institute of Saiva Siddhantham Research located at Dharmapuram (Tamilnadu), presented a paper on Saivite Mysticism. It was well received. Years later eventually Dr.Betina Baumer, brought in a book form the papers presented. However the paper on Saivite Mysticism did not find a place in the Printed book. When confronted, by the Director of IISSRC, Dharmapuram, She told him that English was so rich, and high, that even Englishmen, were unable to follow it. However the reason given for omission of this paper was, that the paper on Saivite Mysticism, was not received in time. The fact is that the paper was handed over well on the very day, after it was presented and discussed. It was also the best paper, and appreciated by the participants, When confronted with this fact, she only said âI am really sorry.â When elegant papers on Hinduism are presented, Christians in Hindu garb never fail to draw , an iron curtain over them.

Misguided Sri Vaishnavas helped Father FX Clooney
The Vatican sees India as the last bastion of the sacred, and hence seeks to infuse that spirit into Christianity in the West. Harvard Professor FX Clooney says, he wants to infuse the inspiration that he has derived from Nammalvar's "Thiruvaimozhi" into Christianity. Western values are driven by adventurism, pop music, evangelizations, sports, commerce, politics, technology and humanism; a fact which our policy makers should take note of.

Thomas Paine (1737- 1809) wrote:
"Everything in the Old Testament is perverted and distorted into meanings never intended by the writers. The practice which the writers of the books employ is not more false than it is absurd. They state some trifling case of the person they call Jesus Christ, and then cut out a sentence from some passage of the OT and call it a prophecy of that case. But when the words thus cut out are restored to the places they are taken from, and read with the words before and after them, they give the lie to the New Testament."

Robert L. Johnson wrote in âThe Bible's Ungodly Originsâ.
âMany rank and file Christians sincerely believe the Bible is a direct communication from God to man. I know I used to believe it was when I was a Christian. And from recent conversations with many sincere Christians I know this is currently true for many believers. Once it is proven to our God-given reason that the Bible is strictly a man-made collection of mythology the mind loses yet another shackle of "revelation" and is soon on its way to full freedom and progress.

The Bible was not handed to mankind by God, nor was it dictated to human stenographers by God. It has nothing to do with God. In actuality, the Bible was VOTED to be the word of God by a group of men during the 4th century. â

Thomas Paine (1737- 1809) in his work titled The Age of Reason noted that the very basis upon which Christianity was raised, on "flawed methodologies," For example the taking of alleged Old Testament prophecies and claiming that they referred to Christ who was born some 700 to 500 years after they had been uttered by the Hebrew prophets.

H.G. Wells
H.G WellsÂ in the world famous, The Outline of History, Vol. I, pages 462-463, wrote: "It (the Council of Nicaea) marks the definite entry upon the stage of human affairs of the Christian Church and of Christianity as it is generally understood in the world to-day. It marks the exact definition of Christian teaching by the Nicene Creed." Constantine ordered and financed 50 parchment copies of the new "holy scriptures". It seems with the financial element added to the picture, the Church fathers were able to overcome their differences and finally agree which "holy" books would stay and which would go and following its true tradition the Indian Bible has been written with over one hundred quotations from Hindu scriptures incorporated.

Late major Vedantam, who pioneered the investigation of Christian misionaries in India over thirty years ago wrote:

"Theo centric and theocratic eclectics are dangerous as nuclear, chemical and other warheads. The concept of âMy God is your God, but your God is No Godâ does not foster understanding, co-operation and goodwill." The concept should be changed to "Your God is my God and my God is your God" and accepted by all religions.

According to Professor John Crossan of Biblical Studies at DePaul University ,USA .

âThe Roman Emperor Constantine the Great (274-337 CE), who was the first Roman Emperor to convert to Christianity, needed a single canon to be agreed upon by the Christian leaders to help him unify the remains of the Roman Empire. Until this time the various Christian leaders could not decide which books would be considered "holy" and thus "the word of God" and which ones would be excluded and not considered the word of God.

"Emperor Constantine, who was Roman Emperor from 306 CE until his death in 337 CE, used what motivates many to action - MONEY! He offered the various Church leaders money to agree upon a single canon that would be used by all Christians as the word of God. The Church leaders gathered together at the Council of Nicaea and voted the "word of God" into existence. (I wish to thank Brian Show for pointing out in his rebuttal to this article that the final version of the Christian Bible was not voted on at the Council of Nicaea, per se. The Church leaders didn't finish editing the "holy" scriptures until the Council of Trent when the Catholic Church pronounced the Canon closed. However, it seems the real approving editor of the Bible was not God but Constantine! and the Holy Bible has been once again tampered with, in 2008 Edition - only this time with additions from Hindu Scriptures.

Why would Christian Church copy Hindu Scriptures?

The answer is here. "Such, indeed, is the exuberance and flexibility of this language (Sanskrit) and its power of compounding words, and when it has been, so to speak, baptized, and thoroughly, penetrated with the spirit of Christianity, it will probably be found, next to Hebrew and Greek, the most expressive vehicle of Christian Truth." - M. Monier - Williams (1861:54)

WhenÂ we hear that at least a hundred quotation from Vedas, Yogasutra and Upanishads have been incorporated into the Indian Bible published in 2008. We are worried.Â We are also shocked when we hear the cross behind the Jesus has been removed about which a leading archeologist commented "this is tribanga pose of Sri Krishna and also resembles the Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu in ecstacy". The pain and trauma in face of Jesus has been erased and to be replaced with the picture of JoyÂ found in Krishna, Chaitanya Mahaprabhu or Nataraja.. The transformation is not yet complete,Â and the words âhe is dancing with joy has been interpolated in the adjacent pageâ . Hindu musical instruments used in religious Bhajans like Tambura is on the right side , Tabla is on the left side and a violin is on the upper left, dangles in the air, and there are twinkling stars all around in the space. A pair of cymbals (jalra) is found at the Right foot of Jesus. He has been adorned with a long Yahnopavitham, which extends up to the left ankle, instead of the traditional one that stops at the waist. We Hindus are legitimately worried at the blatant plagiarism.

Kalakshetra controversy
Whenever we hear the name 'Golden Temple', we tend to think of the beautiful Harmandir Sahib in Amritsar. There is another Golden Temple in South India - the great Nataraja temple at Chidambaram in Tamilnadu that is associated with the cosmic dance of Nataraja. These are sacred cultural and religious symbols of Bharat and of great importance and immense sacrifices have been made by both Sikhs and Hindus respectively to save and protect their holy symbols and sacred places. Kalakshetra Foundation, Chennai, an Institution established for promoting Hindu Dance forms, is used for inculturation by its Jew-Christian Director. She has removed the Nataraja and Ganesh statues from its premises, which is certainly a matter of concern for Hindus (Hindu Voice, Sept. 2007).
(As Jews say, there's no such thing as Jew Christian. It's a crypo-christian with Jewish ancestry.)

The classic Bharat Natyam cannot be serrated from Hinduism by Vatican ideologues in India, as they have found it a useful tool of evangelizations.

"(Christian) inculturation is cultural plagiarism (and) cultural vandalism, with the idea of ultimate conquest says " Swami Devananda .He saysÂ "We must be beware of Christians with their flattery and money, taking over our sacred art forms such as Bharathanatyam, even as they did to those of ancient Greece and Rome, and calling them their own". Drawing from his four decades of dealing with Christian Missionaries, he gave this ominous warning to Hindus "Christianity is a parasitical religion, which attaches itself to a host culture and feeds off it, absorbing its spirit and lifeblood into itself until the host culture dies and become Christian." This was articulated by Art of Living fame Sri Sri Ravishankarji "How can you separate Bharata Natyam & Hinduism?" and again echoed by Pujya Swami Dayananda Saraswathy, "Dance is Sacred, You cannot think of Dance without Nataraja", and now Hindus have the double duty to defend their fellow religious people and also their texts from poachers. (Hindu Voice, Sept. 2007).
(Hindus absolutely have to listen to Ishwar Sharan.)

Conclusions:
"To understand the Hindu Concept of Cosmic Nataraja we have to understand the Hindu Concept of dance itself. When it comes to natya the greatest inimitable exponent, Balasaraswathy had stated that Bharat Natyam is nothing but "Natya yoga". Bharat Natya originated with Tapas and Nataraja himself is the supreme teacher of Natya and codified by Bharatha Muni in his Natya Sastra. Bharat Natya is the Supreme cultural Symbol of Perfection in dance form. When the most revered cultural symbol of Sikhs was threatened as happened some months ago when the blue attire of their most revered Guru Govind Singh was copied by Dera Sacha Sauda founder Baba Ram Rahim, the entire sikh community of Punjab and Haryana were outraged . They came to streets, and the two states came to a stand still. it was a war like situation. This incident was an eye-opener, as to what the consequences will be if religious sacred religious symbols and traditions of one section of the population are misappropriated illegitimately.

In the absence of any law whatsoever in India to protect the original indigenous Cultures, heritage and knowledge- the entire gamut of Hindu is under threat of unholy poachers. Its heritage and dominant concepts andÂ Ideas, Icons, Scriptural loreÂ and Philosophical heritage. It is well known that Basmati, Neem, Turmeric, Yoga and Bharat Natyam haveÂ has now become endangered, and now it is the very Vedas, Yoga Sutras, having been plagiarized and hence the crying need to enact strict legislations.

Food Items like Basmati, Neem and Turmeric have since been protected after stiff legal battles in international courts. Now it is the turn for the other rich symbols of Hindus, Buddhist, Sikh and Jaina literature in books, sacred objects, icons, temples, sacred forests, mountains, caves, rivers, religious spaces like bathing ghats, sacred trees , groves, passages, ashrams, mutts, properties, lands endowed to them, unique customs, leadership , sampradhayam, follower ship, rituals, practices, worship methods, mantras, tantras, yantras,Â associated with these traditions, padarthas, aushadas, pathways, places, religious, cultural icons, art, architecture, music, dance, folk art, instruments, dress, jewellery, festivals, methods, stories and organizations, sanctity, even food and gastronomic effects, need urgent documentation and immediate protection from our authorities. Acts like intellectual property rights must me enacted, and copy right provisions must be extended for Cultural objects and the religious space of Hindus must be protected as holy sanctuaries, but before that Hindus have to be sensitized for the great work that lies before them.

Note: See for Further Information following papers.

http://www.ivarta.com/columns/OL_070225.htm).

http://www.christianaggression.org/item_di...S&id=1132002640

http://psenthilraja.files.wordpress.com/20...osmic_dance.doc

Husky · 07-03-2009, 02:26 PM

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http://haindavakeralam.com/HKPage.aspx?P...895&SKIN=B
QUOTEAP - A Christian Welfare State
02/07/2009 14:35:04Â HK From Media Inputs

Hyderabad:Blind Appeasement by the congress to woo the Christians in the State is exceeding all it's limits. As per the recent announcement made by
Christian Finance Corporation in AP- State Government allocated 20 crore Rupees solely for the welfare of Christians in the state.

Corporationâs managing director J.R. Sudhir Executive Director of Minority Finance Corporation Sapthagiri and Christian Minority Corporation consultants participated the press meet.

Highlighting Baits are of the following

Education

1) Pre-matric scholarships would be sanctioned to students from sixth standard to SSC and post-matric scholarships to Intermediate and degree students
2) Will Reimburse Fees to students of higher education including degree and post-graduate courses.
3)A study circle for degree and post-graduate students would be set up for competitive exams like civil services, group I and II and bank recruitment

Christian Marriages
Fifty two Christian marriages were performed in Kadapa district in February and steps were on to perform 50 more marriages in July.
(The old Hindu tradition of Hindu Temples relieving poor Hindu parents of the costs of a marriage ceremony for their kids.)

Secular Government to build and renovate Churches!

To sanction funds of Rs. 1 lakh for constructing new Churches and Rs. 30,000 for repairs to old Churches
(With the money they get from destroying our temples)

On lines of Haj Subsidy..

From Tax payers money, Budgetary allocation of Rs. 2 crores was made to send 1,000 Christians to Jerusalem this year.
All Hindu money stolen from our Hindu Temples.

Husky · 07-03-2009, 05:36 PM

http://rajeev2004.blogspot.com/2009/06/koe...kumbakonam.html
QUOTEMonday, June 22, 2009
Koenraad Elst: the Belgian Kumbakonam
http://koenraadelst.blogspot.com/2009/06/h...eir-claims.html

interesting bit about how the cult of the dead-arab-on-a-stick took over a pagan fertility site. this is also the future of all hindu fertility temples - nearly all of which are dedicated to Shiva-Parvathi.

i fondly remember our pilgrimage to Kumbakonam in Tamil Nadu. the kaveri delta is surely one of the most beautiful places to drive through. and the temples are absolutely fabulous - even to a northern outsider like me.

but these will soon be taken over. a suitably hindu-looking cross will be placed on each temple (just as on the two rupee coin) and the spirit of the self-castrating Origen will be said to bestow boons on childless couples. no wait - not self-castrating. the brahmins of the area castrated the brother of Origen. just as they killed dead arab's "brother" in mylapore. those brahmins - evil devils!
Posted by Ghost Writer at 6/22/2009 07:28:00 PM

http://koenraadelst.blogspot.com/2009/06/h...eir-claims.html
QUOTESunday, June 21, 2009
Heathens stake their claims
Summer Solstice has drawn attention once more to the revival of Paganism, or what the media call "nature religion". Some revived Pagans raise an ancient dispute over the right to sacred sites, but only in theory.

This very morning, Heathens, Pagans, Witches, Druids and other assorted nature-worshippers awaited the sunrise in Stonehenge. And no doubt likewise in WÃ©ris, Carnac and other sacred sites in Europe. A Druid who had freshly bathed his aura in the first sunrays of the new summer, was interviewed and said that people who have witnessed and saluted this unique sunrise would feel its glow all through the coming year, giving them strength and inspiration.

At noon, in De Zevende Dag, the political debating show on Flemish television, Michiel Hendryckx, a famous photographer, was interviewed about his best photographs currently on display in an exhibition in Antwerp. On one, a Christian cross on a hill is seen. He explained that this was a pre-Christian Celtic burial mound, which the first Christian missionaries had christianized by imposing a Christian symbol on it. He said he was opposed to the Islamization of Europe, but that Christians should admit they too only become the hegemonic religion of Europe through a process of conquest. Clever conquest in many instances, notably the policy of inculturation (nowadays tried out in Asian countries): incorporating rituals and festivals and indeed sacred sites of pre-Christian religion. If Pagans felt a sacredness about a particular site, they would come and spend time there even after a Christian symbol had been imposed on it. After a few generations the Christian symbol would be part of their experience of the site's sacrality.

One such ancient sacred site I often visited in my youth is Scherpenheuvel, within cycling distance (ca. 25 km) northeast from my hometown, Leuven. Or walking distance, for every year on the eve of the First of May we would walk all the way like proper pilgrims, to arrive there at sunrise. Long ago, it was just a forested hilltop, the natural Pagan sacred site par excellence. (So was the nearby site in Averbode where a famous abbey was built, but the adjoining "Mary Forest" there is a big hint at the original Pagan usage. Both places always stuck me as deeply wholesome.) The Christian claim on the site goes back to the Middle Ages, when an idol of the Virgin Mary was installed in a tree. In ca. 1580, it was removed, not by Pagan diehards but by Protestant iconoclasts. In 1587, after the Habsburg dynasty reasserted control and Protestantism started losing ground in what was to become Belgium, the Virgin was reinstalled in the tree and became a focus of popular devotion promoted by the Catholic Counter-reformation.

The events were woven into a pious story, as follows. The man who had tried to restore the tree to its natural simplicity and removed the idol, had suddenly found himself paralyzed. Only when a good Catholic restored the idol to its rightful place, could the man move again. Miracle!

Within a few years, the site's popularity rose spectacularly, and the Church intervened. In their attempt to outdo one another in Christian fervour, Catholics and Protestants in their respective countries managed to weed out large vestiges of not only each other' presence but also of the Pagan lore that, as they rightly suspected, had survived the nominally Christian Middle Ages. So in Scherpenheuvel in 1603, the tree was chopped down and the idol installed in a church newly built for the purpose at the site. It's a very pleasant building, octogonal and just the right size. In my childhood, the wall around the entrance door used to sport numerous crutches which handicapped people had supposedly left behind there in gratitude for successful cures.

However, the miraculous powers of the Holy Virgin of Scherpenheuvel were not unlimited. The most common pilgrims' souvenir of Scherpenheuvel shows the then-ruling archducal couple Albrecht and Isabella kneeling down in prayer in front of the Holy Virgin on the tree. Isabella was the daughter of the Spanish king Philip II, a determined enemy of the Protestant heresy. Her and her husband's rule (1598-1621) in what is now Belgium marked the Catholic restoration after decades of religious strife, the victory of the Counter-reformation. A story we were never told is that Albrecht and Isabella went there to pray because Isabella failed to get pregnant. Like millions of Pagans and Christians before and after them, they turned to Heaven for succour in their desperate attempt at begetting offspring. But this is a story without a happy ending: the longed-for heir was never born.

This particular Refusal of Miracle was different from all those other hoped-for miracles that never materialize. When the archdukes came to power, the agreement was that their fiefdom would become a sovereign kingdom if they had a heir to rule over it, otherwise sovereignty would return to the Habsburg dynasty. The latter is what happened: until the conquest by Revolutionary France, Belgium was ruled by the Spanish and then by the Austrian branch of the House of Habsburg. The country missed its chance at becoming a nation in its own right. The Blessed Virgin didn't favour the idea of a Kingdom of Belgium.

At any rate, the one couple whose devotions at Scherpenheuvel have remained famous, never received the heavenly blessing they had prayed for. Perhaps the Virgin doesn't appreciate devotions offered at sacred sites usurped from their legitimate users.

Barely a fortnight ago, a somewhat similar instance made headlines in our dear province of Limburg. For some years, a mighty oak at a lonely site in the village of Lummen has been a favourite meeting-place of a group of Wiccan neo-Pagans called Greencraft. They gather there on full-moon nights sky-clad (= naked) for rituals celebrating the Horned God and the Triple Goddess, or so. One day, to their dismay, they found that an idol of Our Lady had been fixed to the trunk. Pagans have nothing against idol-worship, of course. They will generously allow a hundred Virgin idols to flourish, but not in "their" tree.

Greencraft highpriest RenÃ© Delaere explained the Pagan position in a TV interview: "This way, Catholics express a claim on this tree." Asked by the interviewer Evi to whom the tree belongs, his prompt answer was: "To the tree itself." He said that merely being a tree confers enough sacredness on the tree, no need for an overlay of cultural symbols. Then he reiterated how the Church had always used this procedure to induct Pagans into Christianity: allow them to worship at their traditional sacred sites, but give these a Christian veneer to accustom them to the new religion and make them identify their sacred sites with Christian themes.

He agreed that things would get out of hand if his community were to reclaim all the Pagan sites on which Christians had built churches. In India in 1986-2002, the (perfectly rightful) Hindu claim to a site in Ayodhya on which the Muslims had forcibly replaced a temple with a mosque led to massive riots killing several thousands, bomb attacks killing hundreds, controversial overhauls of the history textbooks, sweeping changes in the party-political landscape, overthrows of provincial governments and a change of government in Delhi. And that was all about a single disputed site among the thousands of Hindu temples destroyed by Islamic iconoclasm. So imagine what we could get in Europe if the Pagan ghosts rose from their graves to reclaim each one of their places of worship on which Christians imposed a Christian building or idol.
(Actually, that is exactly what the real traditionalists in Europa ought to do. Especially the Mediterranean.)

The moderate Pagan position, as per Mr. Delaere, seems to be this: to be generous and leave to the Christians all the churches they built, even if on stolen land and in forcible replacement of Pagan objects of worship. The least the Catholics can do in return, is to leave the hitherto untainted Pagan sites alone. But as a matter of principle, or just as a taunt, the Church may be reminded of the legal principle that a house (even a house of worship), no matter who built it, is strictly the lawful property of the owner of the soil it is built on. At least King David paid an honest price to the native Jebusite landlord when he acquired the property in conquered Jerusalem on which he intended to build a temple. The missionaries who Christianized our part of the world rarely showed this courtesy.

So much for the legal niceties. Of course numerous Christians have innocently felt genuine religious enthusiasm at such theoretically disputed sites and in front of such intruder idols. Nobody wants to deny it to them, least of all the Pagans. In their analysis, the name of the gods worshipped changed but the devotion remained more or less the same. A similar process is going on today in the opposite direction. While Christian polemicists are jubilant that their religion is doing just fine in Africa and Korea, what we witness in Europe is the continued trend of churches closing down and being sold off to serve as concert-halls, restaurants, school buildings (the case of the church where little me sang in the choir) or mosques. Pagan revivalism is one way of filling the vacuum left by a shrinking Christianity.

Posted by Koenraad Elst at 9:55 AM
Labels: Lummen oak, Paganism, RenÃ© Delaere, Summer SolsticeQUOTE1 comments:

Ghost Writer said...

Â Â As an Indian - I hope the trend escalates, not only because it will be a slap on the face of the chattering (read 'secular') classes, but also because this crazy conversion of the heathens in Satan's House (i.e. India) will stop. I am not so optimistic though - witness the near hysterical bawling of Ratzinger at the mere thought of a pagan revival. Also - the USA is still untouched by this phenomenon.
Â Â Are you privy to the recently concluded Vatican-Hindu 'dialogue'? I would be interested to know your take on what went on
Â Â June 22, 2009 7:50 PM

Husky · 07-04-2009, 11:53 AM

http://rajeev2004.blogspot.com/2009/07/chr...pogroms-on.html
QUOTEchristist land grab caused pogroms on tribals
http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/holnus/000...031222.htm

of course the usual âsick-ularâ howling brigade will soon be out to condemn the judge. cannot be blaming the poor minorities for grabbing tribal land can we?

Interesting the commission did not blame the Maoists for the good swamiâs killing. The Swami â who was shot by these rabid land-grabbing missionary products â was of course with the tribals. but if you listened only to nehru dynasty tv, read the TOI-let paper and went to the Page 3 parties â you would think it was all those demonical parivar hindus

Where are those gentle folk that blamed the BJP loss to the âHindu Hooligansâ

Posted by Ghost Writer at 7/03/2009 05:47:00 PM 0 comments
Labels: Christism

Husky · (This post was last modified: 07-04-2009, 03:50 PM by Husky.)

Psecularism favouring terrorist ideology of christianism as in Rome:

http://haindavakeralam.com/HKPage.aspx?P...900&SKIN=K
QUOTEGovt concedes demand of Church Council
03/07/2009 15:51:31Â www.expressbuzz.com

THIRUVANANTHAPURAM: In a major shift in the stand of the LDF Government against the self-financing professional colleges run by the Inter-Church Council, Education Minister M A Baby has come out with a fresh proposal.

The govt has asked these managements to set apart 20 percent seats from the 50 percent govt seats for the minority communities. This was announced in the Assembly by the Education Minister stating that the decision was taken to solve the difference of opinions between the Church Council and the government.

This should be considered as a step by the government conceding one of the major demands from the Inter- Church Council. Baby has asked the council to come forward in settling the issue in the backdrop of the new proposal. This proposal will mean that the govt fees will be now applicable only in 30 percent seats in the colleges run by Inter-Church Council.

Baby said in the Assembly that the agreement made between the self-financing medical college managements has been made not in full satisfaction as the LDF Govt has a different kind of policy in dealing with the issue.

But the govt has decided to shift its policies just to solve the crisis.

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