Christian Subversion And Missionary Activities - 6

**shamu** · 08-06-2009, 01:08 PM

QUOTE(agnivayu @ Aug 6 2009, 07:16 AM)rightly or wrongly, Hinduism is associated with the poverty of India. 
Vice versa, christianity is associated with western prosperity. If western economy comes down, becoming a christian will become very uncool.

HareKrishna · 08-06-2009, 04:40 PM

QUOTE(Husky @ Aug 4 2009, 06:48 PM)^ Link for the above: http://hamsa.org/ashram.htm

Romani (#624):

1. Here, this is all the topic for dialogue christianism can expect from the Hindus:
http://bharatvani.org/books/hhce/Ch22.htm
Plea for Rejecting Jesus as junk

Good article for all Hindus to read.



Using the word romani is an offence.The word romani was invented in order to create confusion betwin romanian and roma(on real name gipsy or tigan) and trashing down romanian image in front of the westerners.
There is a conspiracy to create a gipsy state in Europe(guess where) and the word romani is the first step.
Next step is gathering the european dalits in a single place and using high natality to replace the local population.
Also use acusations of racial discriminations whenever locals are trying the defend themselfs against gipsy violent gangs.

To counter this the next steps should be usefull
-A campaign against the word romani;replaced whit indi-roma or simply, indian.An alternative is the word egyptian for those gipsy ashamed for their indian(posibly dravidian acording to genetic) origin.
-A advice to all gipsies :change the bad-violent habbits not the name.
-Gathering all gipsy in a reservation and give acces to the rest of the country only for those gipsy who show social behaviour.
-Force gipsy to have few children in order to secure the locals-majority.
This drop in birth rate will also eradicate the poverty problem.Thousands of gipsy children are hungry because their parents cant afford to feed the 5-10 kids per family they have and send them to begging and develop anti-social paterns.
-Show the exemple of jat-rajputs who use bravery usualy for honor or justice not for stealing.
-Forming a army corp of 1000 men for rapid reaction against gipsy gangs.
-Forming local networks of voluntary in cells of 50-100 people who will inform the police and register on video any violent actions and also use as rapid deterence force against violent gipsy gangs.
-Buying a large piece of land in India in order to repatriate them in their native country.
-For the bulk gipsies who share the habbits of middle easterners and fell at home whit them, a land in that region should also be bought and send them there in their element.

Waiting for answers and proposals.

**acharya** · 08-06-2009, 09:19 PM

We know that you are from Romania

**acharya** · 08-06-2009, 09:20 PM

This shows how Christian mind is a Hitler mind

QUOTEHitler's Bible--Monumental History of Mankind

by Jim Walker
originated: 08 May 2001
additions: 03 June 2006

This article presents the actual note page from which Hitler uses the Bible as the monumental history of mankind for which we can give thanks to Werner Maser for bringing it first to publication in his book, "Hitler's Letters and Notes."

Hitler wrote these private notes while in his 30s and they predate his political career. Although Hitler wrote his first political antisemitic letter to Adolf Gemlich on September 16, 1919, these notes show the Biblical influence on the young Hitler in regards to his views on race laws at around the same time. Hitler's 1919 letter without his notes to provide context has led many scholars to incorrectly conclude that Hitler's antisemitism started from a purely secular mind-set. The Biblical references, especially in regards to the race laws mentioned in these notes, clearly shows that Hitler had a religious reason for his Jewish hatred and his views on race laws which later turned into the Nuremberg laws.

Remarkably Maser (and all other historians) never explains Hitler's view on race laws in regards to these notes and how they parallel the Nuremberg laws, nor do they explain such items included within the outline such as "Lord Disraeli," and "Eternal course of History," all of which bears some importance if we wish to understand the foundational beliefs of Hitler. For this reason, I've presented the entire outline from that note page with its English translation so that readers can study it themselves.

The outline comes from Werner Maser's book, "Hitler's Letters and Notes," translated by Arnold Pomerans, (Harper & Row, Publishers, 1974):

HareKrishna · 08-07-2009, 06:18 AM

QUOTE(acharya @ Aug 6 2009, 09:19 PM)We know that you are from Romania
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So now you know that im not racist.
But also greeks oppose macedonians to use the word macedonian ,because of historical reasons.
The word roma-romani mean husband not human ;meanining that gypsy childrens,womens and unmaried men are not rom .Now wonder for choosing this word as for in this nation of husbands the women stay-walk 3 meters behind her rom(husband).

Husky · (This post was last modified: 08-11-2009, 07:25 PM by Husky.)

1. QUOTE(agnivayu @ Aug 6 2009, 07:16 AM)As an optimist, I also think that Hindu concepts are accepted only very slowly now because rightly or wrongly, Hinduism is associated with the poverty of India.Â Now, as India Industrializes, the wealth and power of India will automatically be associated as a strength of Hinduism (hence the growing popularity of Hinduism).Â
A Big reason why the next 20-30 years are critical in putting as many obstructions as possible to Christian Missionary activity.[right][snapback]100147[/snapback][/right]The catholic church is chasing India and China both because of population numbers AND because that is where the future of money and power inevitably lies.

Their whole goal is to get India and China ASAP, especially when these are on the rise. So that when a christian majority is implemented and starts riding the wave of prosperity that Hindus are currently creating (and Chinese too, in our respective countries) after the immense havoc wreaked by christocolonialism, the church and its sheep can claim that "christianism is what brought prosperity to India/China/Asia".

The ancient GrecoRoman world was associated with culture, education and relative prosperity. From GrecoRomans' statements, christianism was associated with regression, ignorance and intolerance. Christianism didn't appeal to people with sense. It was forced upon people.
Today christianism's success is owing to their PR. And there is also Hindus' self-censureship on the cruel idiocy known as christianism, which can be remedied only if Hindus would stop secularly protecting christianism.

2. QUOTEBut the fact of the matter is that Vedic techniques do work, whether it's Yoga or Kirtan.Â They ideas were conceived over thousands of years specifically to calm the mind.Â Note how even a Non-Hindu acknowledges how Kirtan stabilizes the Mind.Â Hinduism's and Vedic technology's primarily goal was this.Â This Contrasts sharply with the rantings of Islamic and Christian preachers who use anger to destabilize the mind.Â In summary the key difference between Hinduism and Abrahamic religions can be seen.Â One disturbs the mind, the other stabilizes it.Mental stability is a natural side-effect of various Hindu practices, including what are seen as arts and skills. But you are also trivialising 'secularising' what the purpose of Yoga and Kirtanas is.

The rigorous preparation of character and conduct for doing proper Yoga - through observing the Yamas and Niyamas (what to abstain from doing, and what to do in order to cultivate oneself and the right frame of mind) - is what stabilises the mind and brings it (together with the other senses) under control. But Yoga itself is more than that. Its sole purpose is to become one with Brahman. Even the question that Arjuna asks of Krishna in the Gita about Yoga is already predicated on knowledge that the goal of Yoga and becoming a Yogi is to reach Bhagavan. See Chapter 12 of the Gita. Here, it starts with (sorry for bad transliteration, I can't read so good):
QUOTEArjuna uvaacha: evam satatayuktam ye bhaktaastvaam paryupaasate
ye chaapyaksharamavyaktam teshaam ke yogavittamaahaYogeshwara Krishna then explains to Arjuna how there are many ways of finding one's way back to Bhagavan, different paths suited to different people: that those unable to practice the Yoga and concentrate on him may be able to meditate on him, those who can't do that can just act (in accordance with Dharma) and then surrender the fruits of those actions to him.
Oh here: http://www.guruvayurappantemple.org/pdfs/S...rit_English.pdf
Chapter 12 starts from p.55 in Samskritam (Devanagiri), and it's sort of transliterated into Roman script from p.58.

It is in the same way that Kirtanas serve a purpose: singing about the Hindu Gods makes people's mind focus on them. Not merely stabilising it. Thinking about the Gods inspires the Hindus' minds, makes them feel energised by coming into contact with the very thought of their Gods (the way Bhima felt after hugging his brother Hanuman), brings peace and happiness, etcetera. By focussing any or all senses on Bhagavan - say through the abhyaasam of Yoga or singing Kirtanas - it expands the Hindus' minds, evolving their understanding through mental approach/contact with the perfect, and thereby enables/brings it into union with Bhagavan.

Bharatanatyam is based on Yoga and comes from Bhagavan as well: Shiva's dancing being Yogic in origin also make the humans performing it bring their body as well as their minds (since concentration is required) into a state of union with our Gods. Dancing and singing and Hindu instruments have the additional benefit that they not only engage the performer in their Gods (all actions, thoughts, the Ragaas and the meanings of their songs are concentrated on the Gods) but any viewers/listeners also take part in its effects to a level proportional to their involvement. This is why Bharatanatyam and Carnatic music or Bhajans (perhaps other N Hindu classical music too?) are performed in Hindu Temples. It is simultaneously worship of our Gods as well as enabling the Hindu worshippers who have made the pilgrimage to remain fully focussed on their Gods.
I don't do Yoga, nor sing all that much, but do support other Hindus in doing so since it provides them with a highly meaningful experience. Bhajans tend to be a Hindu artistic skill/practice and experience cultivated among N Hindus, although there are some Tamizh Bhajans too. (But I do listen to Carnatic music like Subbulakshmi's Annamacharya Samkirtanas and occasionally hum along or whatever it is that I do while drawing. In any case I think they are inspiring.) My mother and aunt regularly regurgitate the common Hindu view in TN that, just like Shlokas, our Hindu music is sacred because all aspects concern our Gods, and that by singing our songs, the experience and meaning is similar to singing or reciting Shlokas - which people also do. Many Hindus devoted to their Gods had expressly centred their life around Hindu music, since it was their way of worshipping and finding closeness with their Gods.
When Hindus perform and/or listen to the lyrics set to ragaas of songs by people like say Dikshitar and other Carnatic or Hindustani music geniuses, the contents impart a lot of truths about our Gods while the Ragaas allow the Rasikas - those who get wrapped up in the experience, and some of the older generations even enter into a meditative state in their appreciation - to approach our Bhagavan by 'concentrating' and 'meditating' on our Gods in this manner. The music is from and about the Hindu Gods, and its purpose is for the performers' and listeners' entire beings to become attuned to them. (Sadly for the christoterrorist church, the influence of Hindu music and Yoga and Bharatanatyam on the practitioners and viewers/listeners can't be appropriated: the effects lead only to the Hindu Gods. It is solely "in their frequency". Church can only copy outward form, never the meaning nor ever reproduce the effect.)

Anyway, the point was that the purpose and effect of Yoga, Kirtanas, Bharatanatyam etcetera is more than merely stabilising people's minds.

3. QUOTEShe has been conditioned to be scared of calling herself a Hindu. (Look at the Racist venomous hatred that pours out of the Western media against Hinduism).If one were to suppose she were a Hindu (I doubt it), then her cowardice is no excuse. Other people do not run away from their Mother Religion because of the constant christolying.
Yes christian brainwashing is potent. But is there no responsibility in oneself? It is upto our own individual persons to maintain and value the treasure of Hindu Dharma which we've inherited. There is no excuse for shutting off our own ability to distinguish between truth and falsehood, between investigating for ourselves the truths of our Hindu Dharma versus blindly believing the nonsense that the untrustworthy and motivated of terrorist ideologies try to sell in order to wean us off it.
Can't accept willful stupidity or stupidity that could be prevented by investing a little of one's own effort.

4. QUOTE(shamu @ Aug 6 2009, 01:08 PM)<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(agnivayu @ Aug 6 2009, 07:16 AM)rightly or wrongly, Hinduism is associated with the poverty of India. Vice versa, christianity is associated with western prosperity. If western economy comes down, becoming a christian will become very uncool.[right][snapback]100149[/snapback][/right]</div>That may perhaps be the way one part of India thinks now (the Angelsk-speaking kind in particular), but the majority don't work that way. You are implying most Hindus have no real, meaningful reason to be Hindu. That is a very inaccurate view.

Hindu Dharma is a VERY attractive religion. So very attractive that it is beyond measuring.

Christianism knows full well that Hindu Dharma is incredibly attractive by nature and that left to itself, it would retain Hindus automatically. That is why
1. christianism lies about itself: advertising lies to make the hideous christianism seem better and 'true', even though the facts are that it is a religion of terror founded on lies, and
2. christianism lies about Hindu Dharma: in order to negate and slander this to its primary audience (the adherents, Hindus) to alienate them from it.

- Christianism is succeeding because of such two-way lying. It's because christianism is a con-artist and many people haven't figured out it is all a lie, but have been long conditioned to think jeebus is some divine character and that "all religions are equal" (where, to Hindus, "all religions" includes - besides our own - only christianism, islamism, possibly Buddhism, since many Hindus are unaware of others).
- Christianism is succeeding because - like the Romans (IIRC see Porphyrius for instance) said - it dumbs down its audience to debase them to its own foul level, so that they finally start 'understanding' and swallowing christian nonsense and so that they can't understand Hellenismos or Hindu Dharma (as the case may be) any more, and/or they start imagining christianism is on the same platform as the Natural Traditions.

I don't know anyone who is a Hindu because it is "cool". They are Hindu because they know the truth or profound meaning of the Religion. And THIS is what Hindus should be making those who are merely "born Hindu" aware of. THIS is what will keep Hindus Hindu. Not fickleness, about cool or uncool or other lame reasons. An intimate knowledge of their Hindu Dharma will inculcate an inability to relinquish it or accept the christolies about it.

5.
QUOTE(agnivayu @ Aug 6 2009, 07:16 AM)Rajan Zed is a good guy. [...] He is also the first Hindu chaplain to open the U.S. House of Representatives. (Some Xtian nuts shouted him down)[right][snapback]100147[/snapback][/right]Don't know what a Hindu chaplain is. Don't comprehend the purpose behind Hindus opening the US House of Representatives (with invocations) either. What meaning does it have to Hindus? It is not a Hindu practice nor was it a Hindu objective before.
It is an American *christian* interest to want to open the House of Reps with a christian prayer, since they want to claim that "america is a christian country founded on christianism and that in gawd they trust". When in reality it is the Native Americans' country and belongs to their Grand Esprit, and may harbour all those who can live in peace, amity and with respect for them.

**shamu** · (This post was last modified: 08-09-2009, 03:42 AM by shamu.)

There is an email floating around asking for funding for vedic research in India

http://www.mailerindia.com/

QUOTEMailerindia is now expanding its research wing by employing more vedic scholars to do a detailed study of our vedas and siddhas. We welcome you to assist us by contributing liberally for the noble cause. The work is scheduled for completion within a year's time and thereafter you will be getting a detailed guidance of our vedas and siddhas. Members contributing 100 USD and above will be enrolled as a premium member of mailerindia. The premium members will have a life time entitlement to view all our works without restriction. Contact the editor rishi for further details.

Front page has following quote
QUOTEReligious Quotes

"In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent His only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through Him. Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that He loved us, and sent His Son to be the satisfaction for our sins."
~John 4:19~Bible 

Their disclaimer page has the following
QUOTE"Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it. Do not believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumored by many. Do not believe in anything simply because it is found written in your religious books. Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of your teachers and elders. Do not believe in traditions because they have been handed down for many generations. But after observation and analysis, when you find that anything agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all, then accept it and live up to it."

**shamu** · 08-09-2009, 03:49 AM

Not sure if this was posted earlier.

Church doesn't want Indian government audit of their properties in India.

Christian group wants independent audit of church property

**acharya** · 08-09-2009, 09:41 AM

<img src='http://mailerindia.com/newimg/hinduyogi.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />

http://mailerindia.com/cgi-bin/index.cgi?almanac

http://mailerindia.com/home/editor.htm

Not even one god is put here

08-09-2009, 04:33 PM

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u669U_93l...re=related

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HL7doDuTP...re=related

> http://youtube.com/watch?v=wf7uVm0vX1g&feature=related

These are vedios of a Pastor claiming that
Thiruvalluvar

Ilango Adigal

Saiva Saints 4 all as Christians.

These are the continuation of Arulappa Frauds

Husky · (This post was last modified: 08-09-2009, 09:53 PM by Husky.)

^ More Important

QUOTE(shamu @ Aug 9 2009, 03:41 AM)Their disclaimer page has the following
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE"Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it. Do not believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumored by many. Do not believe in anything simply because it is found written in your religious books. Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of your teachers and elders. Do not believe in traditions because they have been handed down for many generations. But after observation and analysis, when you find that anything agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all, then accept it and live up to it." 
[right][snapback]100229[/snapback][/right]</div>Buddha I think said that.
Yes, here: The Buddha and Critical Thinking at www.csudh.edu/oliver/smt310-handouts/buddha/buddha.htm

And I think he went one step further, asking people to perform a sanity check on his own words before accepting those:
QUOTEBuddha: Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it - even if I have said it - unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense.

So, was Buddha properly attributed?

**acharya** · 08-10-2009, 01:20 AM

So what does this all mean in terms of Christianity, Jesus, Christian beliefs and so forth? What it means is that everything todayâs Christians think they know about Christianity is false. Their beliefs are simply a patchwork canon of old world Jewish superstitions in a messiah who never came, packaged in colorful layers of numerous popular pagan beliefs of the victorious Graeco-Roman culture and remarketed as the Jesus myth.

The blow to mainstream Judaism and the Apocalyptic cults of Judaism we call Christianity, dealt to them so violently by the Romans, must have shaken their belief system at the very root. The Romans did not simply come to Judea in 70 CE to suppress a small uprising â they came to stamp out such political discontent once and for all. Thus they were very through in what they came to do.

http://www.burningcross.net/crusades/jesus...ea-scrolls.html

G.Subramaniam · 08-10-2009, 07:59 AM

Swaminomics

Racist white pope on outsourcing

The Popeâs moral blunders on outsourcing

Dated: August 02, 2009

Religion and business rarely mix well. This shows up in the encyclical of Pope Benedict XVI. The encyclical generally supports globalization, but criticises Western companies that outsource business to developing countries.

This criticism has an unfortunate ethnic slant. The Pope echoes the wish of a white labour aristocracy in the West to snatch jobs and income away from much poorer but more competitive workers in Third World countries. That is repugnant in both economic and moral terms.

The Western argument cannot quite be called racist. Politicians and workers in the West are not all whiteâsome are black or brown. Yet the ethnic implications of the Western protest against outsourcing cannot be ignored. The protest rarely focuses on outsourcing to white countries like Poland, Latvia or Bulgaria. It focuses overwhelmingly on outsourcing to black, brown and yellow nations.

This is mainly on economic grounds---wages are lower in Asia than in Eastern Europe, and so the scope for outsourcing is far greater. Yet the ethnic implications cannot be ignored. The mainly white labour aristocracy of the West is clamouring to get companies to shut down jobs and production in countries with black, brown and yellow workers. This means impoverishing poor workers to subsidise the labour aristocracy. Instead of being ashamed of trying to rob the poor of jobs, the labour aristocracy talks in high moral tones, as though it has a God-given right to jobs that have actually gone entirely on merit to the Third World.

For most of history, China and India were the richest countries in the world, with the most advanced technologies and best jobs. The Industrial Revolution changed thatâthe best jobs moved to the West, and millions of Indian textile workers were rendered unemployed by British mills. The Western labour aristocracy never complained of that shift of the best jobs from the East to the West, but cannot countenance a shift in the opposite direction.

One valid Western objection, on both economic and moral grounds, relates to the use (mainly by China) of prison labour, forced labour and child labour to produce cheap goods for export. Such exports have largely been checked, and now constitute a negligible part of outsourcing. This objection does not apply at all to Indiaâs burgeoning exports of software or BPO, or to the shift of 80,000 IBM jobs or 35,000 Accenture jobs to India.

China has become the worldâs biggest supplier of manufactured goods, while India has become a major exporter of computer software, back-office services and R&D. This has transformed the economies of the two most populous countries in the world, made them the fastest-growing in the world, and helped hundreds of millions of poor people to rise out of poverty.

You might think that the Pope would hail this as a great development for humanity. Instead he has parroted the bogus claims of the white labour aristocracy.

His encyclical says, âthe so-called outsourcing of production can weaken the companyâs sense of responsibility towards the stakeholders---namely the workers, the suppliers, the consumers, the natural environment, and broader society---in favour of the shareholders, who are not tied to a specific geographical area and who therefore enjoy extraordinary mobility.â

The racial implications of this leave me dumbstruck. The Pope has posed the issue as one of stakeholders versus shareholders. But are white stakeholders the only ones that matter? When IBM shifts 80,000 jobs to India, 80,000 Indian stakeholders replace American ones. Are the rights of 80,000 Indian stakeholders any less than those of the American ones they replace? When Chinese suppliers outbid American ones in supplying hardware to IBM, are the Chinese lesser stakeholders than the Americans they replace?

The Pope is simply wrong in posing outsourcing as a conflict between shareholders and stakeholders. Outsourcing merely globalizes stakeholders across the world instead of leaving them within narrow national walls. And as a believer in one world, the Pope should be encouraging this spread of stakeholders across all humanity.

Shareholders are getting globalised no less than workers, suppliers or consumers. Many shareholders of Citibank and IBM come from the Middle East, China or Japan. Are they not stakeholders on par with American ones? There is no moral imperative at all for Japanese or Arab shareholders of IBM to try and shift jobs from the Third World to the US. Yet US politicians and trade unions talk as though morality lies in US jobs alone.

In truth, it is a perversion of morality to penalise non-American workers and shareholders just to promote US jobs. Hopefully Pope Benedict will have the courage to say so in his next encyclical.

dhu · (This post was last modified: 08-10-2009, 12:08 PM by dhu.)

The Swami Devananda Saraswati Interview With Rajeev Srinivasan

Husky · 08-10-2009, 05:32 PM

QUOTE(dhu @ Aug 10 2009, 12:07 PM)The Swami Devananda Saraswati Interview With Rajeev Srinivasan
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Also at his own site:
http://hamsa.org/interview.htm

Husky · (This post was last modified: 08-10-2009, 10:39 PM by Husky.)

QUOTE(Solomon @ Aug 9 2009, 04:33 PM)[...]
These are vedios of a Pastor claiming that
Thiruvalluvar

Ilango Adigal

Saiva Saints 4 all as Christians.

These are the continuation of Arulappa Frauds
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Solomon, would you know of what happened to a site called
christiansofkerala.com (by C I Issac)?

**acharya** · 08-10-2009, 11:43 PM

http://www.expressindia.com/latest-news/Ta...induism/500277/

EXPRESS INDIA

Tamil Nadu: Dalit Christians embrace Hinduism

Agencies

Posted: Aug 10, 2009 at 1626 hrs IST

Dindigul (TN) More than 200 Dalits who had embraced Christianity were âreconvertedâ to Hinduism at a village near Dindigul in a function organised by Viswa Hindu Parishad (VHP).

VHP sources claimed that 207 people returned to Hinduism at a function in Tamaraikulam near here yesterday following alleged 'neglect' faced by them in Christian community.

The VHP presented mementos to the reconverted.

Husky · (This post was last modified: 08-13-2009, 04:54 PM by Husky.)

http://haindavakeralam.com/HkPage.aspx?P...056&SKIN=B
QUOTEHindus' fateful hour : Act before it is too late
13/08/2009 01:07:33Â Dr. Babu Suseelan

Hindus in India, especially in Kerala, Kashmir, Assam, Tamil Nadu, and Andhra Pradesh are heading for disaster. Jihadi terrorism, coercive religious conversion, economic deprivation, cultural pollution, phony secularism and powerlessness and a feeling of hopelessnessâthese are only few in the complex web of problems confronting Hindus. In Assam, Andhra Pradesh, Tamil Nadu, Kerala and West Bengal the anti Hindu governments are extorting billions of rupees-worth of Hindu wealth. Because its total onslaught on Hindus, these anti-Hindu governments wrought complete havoc on Hindu culture and halted/or retrogressed the onward march of Hindu civilization.

For several years, western intelligence agencies and missionaries have been financing, directing and managing the Dravidian movement in Tamil Nadu. Their goal is to destroy Hindu culture and the Indian political-economic-social-spiritual and educational values and to erase the memory of Hindu culture from the annals of Indian history. Western subversive agents in the guise of academicians and religious leaders as well as psychological warfare experts use planned communication techniques to influence Tamil peopleâs attitude and behavior-to create target groups behavior, emotions and attitudes that support the attainment of devious objective-the creation of a separate Tamil Elam. The form of communication they use to spread disinformation covertly and overtly by word of mouth or through any means of multimedia is against Hindus and to balkanize India.Â

In Tamil Nadu, under the anti Hindu DMK government, missionaries with foreign support disseminate anti-Hindu information by face-to-face communication, audio-visual means (TV) audio-media (Radio), visual media (leaflets) and/or posters. The weapon is not how it is sent, but the message it carries and how the message affects the minds of Tamil Hindus. The ultimate objective is to convert Hindus and force them to take actions against Hindu value system and to establish a separate Tamil nation favorable to Christians.
(DMK = crypto christo movement for covert christianisation.
Christoterrorists want Tamizh Nadu for jeebus, like they want Nagaland for jeebus.)

In Andhra Pradesh, the Seventh Day Adventist Missionary leader Samuel R. Reddy, the Chief Minister is heading A-team for intellectual/political/cultural subversion in the state. Their hidden and ulterior goal is to reduce the moral efficiency within Hindu organizations, promote confusion, chaos and create social crisis among Hindus. The Seventh Day Adventist movement is closely associated with foreign intelligence agencies to destabilize India and to convert Hindus. The Seventh Day Adventist leader and Chief Minister Samuel R. Reddy is promoting mass dissension and defections in Hindu Temple society and intimidate its leaders in order to loot temple wealth including precious jewelry worth billions of rupees from the ThirumalaÂ Thirupathy Sri Venkateswara Temple, the richest in the world. Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

What is going on? We know converted Muslims and Christians, the Marxist party, and the bogus secular anti Hindu Congress party headed by the Italian Catholic Sonia is betraying Hindus and India. They behave like a social virus in the body of Hindus. They infect collective consciousness and mutate producing complex illnessess and social decay. When measured by the standard of present political realities, general Hindu attitude and amused indifference seems suicidal.

Hindus are paying heavily for the failure to perceive and deal with these life threatening problems. The severity and interrelatedness of these problems that singly and in combination threaten Hindu existence, culture, spiritual tradition and the future. Compounding the difficulty is that certain problems are such magnitude and that they are no longer solvable unless Hindus are united, become politically active and assertive using all available means including positive violence. Indeed, the Hindu tendency towards indifference and apathy-a propensity most clearly in evidence in their refusal to react vehemently against Jihadi terrorism, deceptive religious conversion, Hajj subsidy for Muslims to visit Saudi Arabia and to participate in animal slaughter and the takeover of Hindu temples.Â This deadly indifference is due to obsequious sycophancy.

Hindus have defined themselves as pacifists and secularists.Â How we interpret our history of brutal Islamic invasion, Christian colonialism, oppression, subjugation, Jihadi terrorism, Christian conversion and political exploitation by the bogus secularists-deeply affects how we understand modern conflicts and social crisis created by the dark hands. If we accept passivism, and practice tolerance of intolerance, when there is no reason to be believed it is beneficial, it is just credulous. And if Hindus will not reject something when there is no reason to believe in it, we are escaping from freedom to slavery. This way of thinking is completely deadly, or put it another way, donât be so open-minded that we may fall into a deep it. A quote from Alexander Solzhenitsynâs (noble prize winner for literature) acceptance speech in 1970 amplifies the deadly danger of passivity. âThere are many people in todayâs world elect passivity and retreat, just so as their accustomed life might drag on a bit longer, just so as not to step over the threshold of hardship today and tomorrow, you âall see, it will be all right. (But it will never be alright). The price of cowardice will only be evil; we shall reap courage and victory only when we dare to make sacrificesâ.

Hindus are unaware of the ulterior motives of missionaries and the workings of Muslim and Christian politics as well as the evil designs and criminal thinking of phony secular politicians. They simply do not know that in the national and international arena, decisions are influenced by the forcefulness with which demands are made. For Hindus, weakness is psychological. What is needed is strengthen the will, free them from submissiveness and march ahead with a fighting spirit. Inspiring slogans must be impressed on the national consciousness so as to rouse the people to the bold deeds that would make history.

The best hope for Hindus for the future is a radical social revolution from which Hindus can gain a fresh understanding of our past, present and future and their role in the scheme of things. If Hindus can free themselves from the psychological and political chain created by bogus secularists, Muslim mafia and the missionary mischief mongersâand unite, they can contribute-no matter, to the good of Hindus and for our motherland in these troubled times.

Adequate Hindu response to the threats and challenges at this decisive turn in our history must not be delayed much longer. The danger that current crisis may become much graver is very real. It is absolutely unjustifiable to neglect any longer the immense opportunities Hindus have as a consequence of Hindu awareness created by organizations such as RSS, VHP and Bjarang Dal. Hindu leaders and laymen must prompt that awakening to do more before it is too late.Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

Hindus need a bold will. A bold will can shatter the fetters of circumstances and overcome all obstacles. The strength of collective will can overcome all obstacles. Proud Hindus with self-esteem can rebel against current crisis and determine their own destiny. We need to act before it is too late.

agnivayu · (This post was last modified: 08-14-2009, 08:43 AM by agnivayu.)

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Husky,Aug 8 2009, 01:22 PM Wrote:Their whole goal is to get India and China ASAP, especially when these are on the rise. So that when a christian majority is implemented and starts riding the wave of prosperity that Hindus are currently creating (and Chinese too, in our respective countries) after the immense havoc wreaked by christocolonialism, the church and its sheep can claim that "christianism is what brought prosperity to India/China/Asia".


ok, agree.

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Quote:Mental stability is a natural side-effect of various Hindu practices, including what are seen as arts and skills. But you are also trivialising 'secularising' what the purpose of Yoga and Kirtanas is.

No you are. I just mentioned one aspect of it. I am well aware of Brahman and unity with Brahman. Just because I didn't cover everything doesn't mean that I said Hinduism is just that.

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Quote:Anyway, the point was that the purpose and effect of Yoga, Kirtanas, Bharatanatyam etcetera is more than merely stabilising people's minds.

What's with the confrontational attitude? I just mentioned one aspect of it, doesn't mean I am saying Hinduism is all psychology like an atheist.

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Quote: Yes christian brainwashing is potent. But is there no responsibility in oneself? It is upto our own individual persons to maintain and value the treasure of Hindu Dharma which we've inherited. There is no excuse for shutting off our own ability to distinguish between truth and falsehood, between investigating for ourselves the truths of our Hindu Dharma versus blindly believing the nonsense that the untrustworthy and motivated of terrorist ideologies try to sell in order to wean us off it.
Can't accept willful stupidity or stupidity that could be prevented by investing a little of one's own effort.

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shamu,Aug 6 2009, 01:08 PM Wrote:
agnivayu,Aug 6 2009, 07:16 AM Wrote:rightly or wrongly, Hinduism is associated with the poverty of India.
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That may perhaps be the way one part of India thinks now (the Angelsk-speaking kind in particular), but the majority don't work that way. You are implying most Hindus have no real, meaningful reason to be Hindu. That is a very inaccurate view.

That Urbanized part is increasingly growing, I am thinking too far in the future for you. The core loyalists will always stay with Hinduism. Those on the outer rings may drift. And yes there are many cowards. Under Islamic rule, many "hip" ones studied persian poetry and converted to Islam because that was associated with Money and power at the time. If someone did that today, they would be laughed at. So like it or not, politically speaking (not spiritually, because if we believe something is the truth, it will triumph no matter what) building impressive power, structures and having hard power backing up Hinduism does have a great psychological effect on how Hindus (and others) will view the religion.
If the Mughal Empire had lasted another 500 years, what % would Muslims be in India? (Now they are 40% in the Indian Subcontinent). Our large size saved us from the Islamists. In Pakistan/ Bangaldesh once Muslims reached a critical mass they have nearly wiped out Hinduism.

We need more Hard power to back us up.

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Quote:I don't know anyone who is a Hindu because it is "cool". They are Hindu because they know the truth or profound meaning of the Religion. And THIS is what Hindus should be making those who are merely "born Hindu" aware of. THIS is what will keep Hindus Hindu. Not fickleness, about cool or uncool or other lame reasons. An intimate knowledge of their Hindu Dharma will inculcate an inability to relinquish it or accept the christolies about it.

The word "cool" got you riled up quite easily. Maybe you need to "Cool" off.
I never said someone is Hindu because it's cool, I am trying to explain the situation in large urban areas of the U.S. (and the West) with regards to religion.

Those on the outer rings may be sticking with it because they were either born in it, have nostalgia for it, or due to association with others not because they have a deep understanding. A lot of people don't like to think about concepts of death, or Brahman, or the nature of the Universe. A % may care about understaning it deeply, but I totally disagree that all 100% will (Nor should we care, even outlying orbits are sufficient politically)

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agnivayu,Aug 6 2009, 07:16 AM Wrote:Rajan Zed is a good guy. [...] He is also the first Hindu chaplain to open the U.S. House of Representatives. (Some Xtian nuts shouted him down)[right][snapback]100147[/snapback][/right]
Don't know what a Hindu chaplain is. Don't comprehend the purpose behind Hindus opening the US House of Representatives (with invocations) either. What meaning does it have to Hindus? It is not a Hindu practice nor was it a Hindu objective before.
It is an American *christian* interest to want to open the House of Reps with a christian prayer, since they want to claim that "america is a christian country founded on christianism and that in gawd they trust". When in reality it is the Native Americans' country and belongs to their Grand Esprit, and may harbour all those who can live in peace, amity and with respect for them.
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Rajan Zed has successfully brought a Euro-Dalit issue (Roma) into the forefront. Useful propaganda tool against the Roman Emperor.

agnivayu · 08-14-2009, 08:36 AM

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Vice versa, christianity is associated with western prosperity. If western economy comes down, becoming a christian will become very uncool.
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