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08-04-2009, 07:30 AM

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08-05-2009, 09:56 PM

QUOTEPakistan's army: living in a state of strategic denial
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By C. Uday Bhaskar, A two-day international conference on genocide that concluded in Dhaka July 31 exhorted the UN to recognise the mass killings and rape that the Pakistan Army had unleashed in the torturous and tumultuous events that preceded the birth of Bangladesh in December 1971.

Legal experts from Germany, Vietnam, Hong Kong, Britain and Canada joined their Bangladeshi counterparts in issuing a declaration that noted: "The conference calls upon the media and the civil society at home and abroad to focus on the (1971) genocide in Bangladesh, and launch a campaign so that this is recognized in the UN as Genocide."

Furthermore, the conference urged the Bangladesh government to begin the process of trying the perpetrators as war criminals and to seek international support in this regard.

But the sad truth is that as in the past 37 years, this earnest plea is unlikely to elicit any meaningful response from the powers that be at the global table.

The US, with Richard Nixon in the White House and his ace assistant Henry Kissinger actually calling the shots in 1971, was culpable by turning a blind eye to the genocide and mass rape that enveloped then East Pakistan. To their credit, the US mission in Dhaka tried to report the carnage to the DC Beltway and the US media, including some mainstream papers reported the events as accurately as possible. But in vain. And in keeping with the dictum that major powers shape the historical narrative in a selective manner by engaging in astute exclusion, this enormity has since been successfully relegated to the distant back-burner of the global record.

Four decades later, except for the victims and their traumatized families, recall of the genocide in Bangladesh outside of that country is hazy. The Pakistan Army, which was the principal institution engaged in attacking and butchering its own citizens - albeit of Bengali ethnicity, has since sought to play down the scale of the bloodshed and rape.

The official Pakistani version refers to 26,000 killed over a year but this is at considerable variance with other estimates which range from 300,000 to a staggering three million killed and between 200,000 to 400,000 women raped.

Two other estimates are illustrative of the disparity that exists about these gory figures. "Statistics of Democide: Genocide and Mass Murder Since 1900" by R.J. Rummel places the deaths at 1.5 million and other literature on the subject avers that East Pakistan of 1971 ranks as having the highest concentration or density of genocide by way of the numbers killed, the time involved and the geographical area in question. Yet another book, "Against Our Will: Men, Women and Rape" by Susan Brownmiller estimates that the total number of women raped by Pakistan Army personnel along with their local support base - the 'razakars' - varies from 200,000 to 400,000. The majority of them were Muslim girls and women ranging from age eight to 70 plus.

These are appalling statistics by any yardstick and in a normative context, even one death or rape of a civilian non-combatant by any uniformed person is cause for the gravest concern. Paradoxically, where death becomes macro, cerebral distortions occur easily. In keeping with the Einstein formulation that in a stellar domain mass can deform space, it may be averred that where a whole state machinery is committed to mass killing, normal morality and ethics are warped and elite responsibility evaded. Most objective genocide studies point to this pattern.

However, the purpose of this comment is not to cast aspersions on the veracity of one study or the other - more qualified voices will have to address that - but to relate the events of 1971 with the current turmoil in Pakistan.

Currently, the Pakistan Army - which in the Zia years became the defender of the Islamic faith - is caught in deep strategic denial about its murky and blood-splattered past. The empirical reality is that this institution since the first war for Kashmir in October 1947 to Kargil of May 1999 has been tasked in covert operations that have used terror stoked by religious radicalism and sectarian xenophobia against the 'adversary' - whether the much reviled Hindu Indian or the fellow Pakistani, be it the Bengali Pakistani of 1971 or the Baluchi of current times.

Like Oscar Wilde's "Picture of Dorian Grey", the institutional face of the Pakistan Army is best exemplified by the chutzpah of General Pervez Musharraf is a visage of supreme confidence - now further bolstered by the nuclear firewall. But the ugly reality is of a once proud army - its track record in World War II as part of the erstwhile British Indian Army is lustrous - that has lost its moral compass. The result has been the ignominy of killing fellow citizens on an unprecedented scale and where arch enemy India has been engaged - not being able to acknowledge the deaths of its regular troops in battle or even claim their bodies. A la Lady Macbeth, this is a stain that cannot be wiped away.

The inflexible mindset of the Pakistan Army has to be radically altered and there is no historical precedent that this will occur by consensus and deep introspection. The military acquires its legitimacy to use proportionate force for a larger national objective from adherence to the rule of law and a distilled code of professional conduct. But when the deviant becomes the norm, the correlation between principle and power is subverted.

The Pakistan Army is caught in an inflexible mode of strategic denial about its past, which is why it appears both unable and unwilling to deal with its present internal security challenges. This is the 'truth' that President Asif Ali Zardari has been trying to reveal - but with limited success. The reverberations of the Dhaka genocide conference must be picked up by Pakistan's accomplished intellectuals - both in the media and academia - and a false narrative corrected. The army must finally confront its mea culpa moment through the bloody cross of East Pakistan.
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08-05-2009, 10:01 PM

This Krishna's strategies boomerangQUOTENEW DELHI: External affairs minister S M Krishna's comments on JuD chief Hafiz Saeed have gifted the Opposition another opportunity to corner the Manmohan Singh government on the Sharm-el-Sheikh joint statement.

Proceedings of the Lok Sabha were disrupted on Tuesday as the two Yadav satraps â Mulayam Singh and Lalu Prasad â joined the Opposition in piling up pressure on the ruling coalition to clarify whether it still stood by the joint statement formulations.

Matters became complicated for the government as none of the senior ministers were present in the House to articulate the government's position following an impromptu short discussion on the subject this afternoon.
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Naresh · 08-06-2009, 03:02 AM

ALERT: A Senior Pakistani Politician In Govt. Caught On Tape Endorsing Breakup Of Balochistan!

QUOTEALERT: A Pakistani Government Official Caught Telling Brahamdagh Bugti: 'Declare Balochistan Independence While You Still Have A Chance'

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Naresh · 08-06-2009, 03:17 AM

1,000 US Marines to guard Islamabad mission : FO

KARACHI â Foreign Office Spokesman Abdul Basit Khan has said that 1,000 US Marines who will be coming to Pakistan will be deployed at US Mission in Islamabad.

He said that there was no restriction on the number of personnel that a foreign mission could station at its mission but it is done through mutual understanding.

The FO Spokesman stated this at Karachi Press Club on Wednesday while replying to a query relating to increase in the strength of the US personnel at Islamabadâs mission. This is perhaps for the first time that a foreign office official has visited a Press Club and replied the queries asked by the media in general.

The foreign office spokesman usually briefs the media at its office in Islamabad. However, it is general practice that foreign ministers meet the media at any place or occasion they choose.

The foreign office spokesman said that Pakistan had received credible information about outside interference in Balochistan and this has been reconfirmed from the NATO sources who officially hinted that arms and ammunitions were being smuggled to Balochistan from Afghanistan and reaffirmed the resolve â we will serve and protect the national interests.â Responding to a question, he said Pakistan-Indian dialogues were suspended after Mumbai attack but efforts were underway to re-start CMBs between the two neighbouring countries. There was a need of shifting the paradigm from conflict to cooperation as far as the relations between Pakistan and India are concerned, he added.

He said that both Pakistan and Indian Prime Minister in their meeting at Sharm El Shaikh agreed and emphasized the need of dialogues between the two countries. The meeting also agreed to hold between the foreign secretaries of the two countries in New York in September this year where issues like Sir Creek, terrorism and Kashmir would come under discussion. We want to restart CBMs, he added.

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**acharya** · (This post was last modified: 08-08-2009, 06:42 AM by acharya.)

You may disagree but from Allama Iqbal's speeches, you cannot say for sure that he was propounding an independent nation as he never explicitly stated that. He wanted a muslim majority federal state with more powers vested in the provinces than the centre - something like the US system.

Quoting directly from his last public speech in Lahore he said:

That is why he is revered in India as much as he is revered in Pakistan. His Tarana-e-Hind is a national song and the music for this song is what the army marches to on Republic day parade.
Also please note that when he said Indian Muslims he actually included muslims of the present day Pakistan as well.

So yes the two nation theory was propounded by Sarvarkar first, not Allama Iqbal. The actual words two nation theory was used by Sarvarkar first. You cannot change this historical fact.

Besides, Asim Aquil has already proven my point about the irrelevance of religious connotations when you talk about India Vs Pakistan. That is all I am saying. Pakistan is a reality and there is no use denying its existence. Maybe its about time that Pakistan becomes Iqbal ka Pakistan as envisoned by him in his last speech quoted here.
WRONG! Allama Iqbal said the following:

In his presidential address on December 29, 1930, Iqbal outlined a vision of an independent state for Muslim-majority provinces in northwestern India:

"I would like to see the Punjab, North-West Frontier Province, Sind and Baluchistan amalgamated into a single state. Self-government within the British Empire, or without the British Empire, the formation of a consolidated Northwest Indian Muslim state appears to me to be the final destiny of the Muslims, at least of Northwest India."

In his speech, Iqbal emphasised that unlike Christianity, Islam came with "legal concepts" with "civic significance," with its "religious ideals" considered as inseparable from social order: "therefore, the construction of a policy on national lines, if it means a displacement of the Islamic principle of solidarity, is simply unthinkable to a Muslim."[10] Iqbal thus stressed not only the need for the political unity of Muslim communities, but the undesirability of blending the Muslim population into a wider society not based on Islamic principles. He thus became the first politician to articulate what would become known as the Two-Nation Theory â that Muslims are a distinct nation and thus deserve political independence from other regions and communities of India. However, he would not elucidate or specify if his ideal Islamic state would construe a theocracy, even as he rejected secularism and nationalism. The latter part of Iqbal's life was concentrated on political activity. He would travel across Europe and West Asia to garner political and financial support for the League, and he reiterated his ideas in his 1932 address, and during the Third Round-Table Conference, he opposed the Congress and proposals for transfer of power without considerable autonomy or independence for Muslim provinces. He would serve as president of the Punjab Muslim League, and would deliver speeches and publish articles in an attempt to rally Muslims across India as a single political entity. Iqbal consistently criticised feudal classes in Punjab as well as Muslim politicians averse to the League.

QUOTE500 Million Muslims of indian sub continenent is a big power ,Britishers and Hindu leaders were afraid of this power , may be that is reason they adopted divide and rule methodology, formula developed for seperation was in favour of India , hydrabad and Kashmir taken by force and East pakistan was 1000 miles away from West Pakistan.

I think Indian sub continent should remain united but muslim populated states or provinces should have been given autonomy.Allama Iqbal also had given similar idea.

Now muslims remain in India are facing lot of problems due to division and bangalees will always remain under threat of India.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/military-hist...her-wwii-2.html

Naresh · 08-07-2009, 03:21 PM

Intolerance and anarchy

Gojra has been the scene of widespread communal riots. Over a hundred dwellings of Christians have been burned down and at least seven members of their community killed. The riots started when someone alleged that the latter's young men had desecrated the Holy Quran. Armed members of a sectarian organisation are reported to have arrived from Jhang and led the attack. It is a measure of their brutality and bestiality that most victims were burned alive.

Nor are Christians the only minority to suffer excesses against it. For many years the Kalash in the scenic Bhambrore valley in Chitral have lived in dread, as they have been pressurised to convert to Islam. Similarly, Hindus in Sindh are terrorised because the kidnapping of their co-religionists has become more frequent. A few weeks ago in Orakzai agency dozens of Sikh families fled the Taliban. Those that remained were held hostage by the latter while two of their young men were told to arrange jazya for them that had been levied on them by the Taliban. The list is endless.

This latest gory incident will again drag the fair name of our country in mud. Internationally, we will again be labelled as the home of extremism and terrorism. Investors will avoid us like the plague. The world's sporting teams will shy away from our shores. Already most top airlines have excluded our airports from their schedules; we have to fly to one of the Emirates to take a plane to the west. Foreign organisations will move us a slot further down the list of failing states. But the persons who have perpetrated these gruesome acts will be least bothered. One wonders if they do this intentionally to isolate us from the world community.

Conspiracy theories abound. Is all this simply the zeal of some mindless religious bigots? Are we victims of foreign conspiracies to destabilise us, so as to justify intervention for taking out our nuclear assets? Is this being done to discredit a democratic government according to a plan? Or is this a combination of all the above?

Anarchy is all-pervasive, not only on the national but also on the personal level. Obedience of the law is considered a weakness. During Musharraf's early days a DIG was transferred, an SP sidelined and an inspector dismissed for the latter's crime of asking a general to remove the illegal tinted glasses on his vehicle. Since then the police have stopped enforcing the ban; why should they risk dismissal for enforcing a law? But think of the help this is giving to outlaws, enabling them to carry out their nefarious designs without let or hindrance. In fact three decades of martial 'law' has drained the country of all legality.

Our rulers have themselves led the assault on legality and due process. Many years ago they handed over Aimal Kasi to the American officials in a hotel in Dera Ghazi Khan immediately after arresting him. The man had been charged with shooting a number of CIA operatives at the entrance to the organisation's headquarters in Langley, Virginia. The Americans of course executed him. In all fairness, he should have been tried in a court in Pakistan; after all, what are our courts meant for? And even if, for argument's sake, they wanted to hand him over to the Americans to do as they liked, they should at least have produced him before a court and sent him with the court's permission, and only if our laws allowed them. But no, sir! How could they then prove that they were 'more loyal than the king'? Whoever authorised his handing over did grievous harm to the nation. Taking the cue from them, Musharraf merrily indulged in his flesh trade, handing over, as per his statement in his own book, hundreds of Pakistanis and others, and earning millions of dollars in bounties. God in his Heavens! Never before has a nation actually sold human flesh so cheap. To conclude, let us hope that with the annulment of the dictator's actions of November 3, 2007, and return of the rule of law, such illegalities will become part of history.

The writer is a former principal of the King Edward Medical College and president of the College of Physicians and Surgeons, Pakistan - E-mail: drijaz@nation.com.pk

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Naresh · 08-08-2009, 04:08 AM

Pakistan seeks mutual respect relationship with India : Qureshi

QUOTE* FM says both countries have pledged to cooperate in anti-terror fight * Induction of US marines in Islamabad implies desire for good ties

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan has been seeking a relationship with India based on equality, mutual respect and benefit and non-interference, Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi said on Friday, adding Islamabad was working towards resumption of composite dialogue in this regard.

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Naresh · 08-08-2009, 06:42 PM

IMF boosts loan to Pakistan by 3.2 billion dollars

QUOTEWASHINGTON : The International Monetary Fund (IMF) on Friday said it had approved an additional 3.2 billion dollar loan to Pakistan to help the country weather the global economic crisis.

The IMF said the extra funds for the loan program to Pakistan would "help the country address increased balance of payment needs" and increase the total loan to 11.3 billion dollars.

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Naresh · (This post was last modified: 08-09-2009, 04:36 AM by Naresh.)

Cricket with Pakistan, not yet : Indian minister

QUOTEWhile it will be interesting to read the perspectives of the two most sought-after diplomats from each side of the border, Tharoor made it clear that the ties between the two countries won't resume until Pakistan acts tough on terrorism. "If Pakistan gives what we want, i.e. to dismantle the infrastructure that breeds terrorism, that will solve half of our problems," the Union Minister says.

Tharoor recalled a conversation with MS Gill where the sports minister insisted on 'not sending a team to the country that sent terrorists here.' "A lot has changed since 2004 and unless the situation improves, there can be no cricket," he adds

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Naresh · 08-09-2009, 04:38 AM

New IMF loan insufficient for Pakistan: economists

QUOTEKARACHI : Pakistani economists on Saturday said an additional $3.2 billion loan from the IMF would have little impact on the economic problems facing the cash-starved South Asian country.

The International Monetary Fund on Friday said it had approved an additional 3.2 billion dollar loan to Pakistan after it asked for more help to weather the global economic crisis.

The IMF said the extra funds for its Pakistan loan programme would âhelp the country address increased balance of payment needsâ and raise the total loan to 11.3 billion dollars.

Independent economists said it wasnât enough to solve Pakistanâs economic woes though.

âIt is just a temporary relief for our economy given the fact that we have to return the loan in a brief two-year period while our economy needs a decade or so to attain stability,â economist A B Shahid told AFP.

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Naresh · (This post was last modified: 08-09-2009, 09:13 PM by Naresh.)

Mudy Ji :

Despite Pakistanâs Shenanigans all that really matters is the Economic Situation of the Country in General and its People in Particular.

This just about tells the whole Story :

Each Pakistani indebted to Rs 24,412

KARACHI : Each person of Pakistan is indebted to Rs24,412 in average which is 175 per cent higher compared to India.

As per the statistics released by the State Bank of Pakistan, over all current foreign debts cost 50 billion dollars while its population is 170 million. Thus each Pakistani is indebted to Rs24,412.

Comparatively, Indiaâs total debts value $222 billion whereas its population is about 1.25 billion.

Thus, each Indian citizen is indebted to Rs8,880 based on the population which is 175 per cent lower than Pakistan

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Naresh · 08-10-2009, 01:46 AM

August 11 âIndependence Dayâ of Balochistan : BNP

NASIRABAD : August 11 is Independence Day of Balochistan. And it would be celebrated with great enthusiasm.

This was stated by Secretary General Balochistan National Party (BNP) Habib Jalib Baloch while speaking with journalists in Dera Murad Jamali from Quetta by telephone Sunday.

He said Chattar incident is result of ongoing military operation in Balochistan, excesses and cruelty and exploitation.

Balochistan has been completely handed over to army and FC who have unleashed excesses against Baloch people.

Answering a question he said murder of provincial minister Rustam Jamali is work of agencies.

He was a Baloch Sardar and Baloch nation has suffered a loss.

Prior to his murder, Abdullah Baloch, Asif Baloch and Zahid Baloch were also killed in Karachi and their killers were not arrested yet.

Answering another question BNP leader said that present government is product of dictatorship. And policies of dictator like Musharraf were continuing.

He said era for depriving Baloch nation of its resources and right to rule is over now. Now destination is near.

Answering another question he said August 11 is day of Independent Balochistan.

A public meeting would be held in Sarab. It is because once Sarab was the headquarter of Balochistan.

He strongly criticised provincial government and said it has arrested our important leaders and it has revealed government's frustration clearly.

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08-10-2009, 02:09 AM

Nareshji,
Don't worry about Pakistan debt, another 10 Billions are coming. We should give credit to Pakistan to allow US to bomb any house in Pakistan, fly over Pakistan as and when. No protest from so-called Machos, coward rats are now inside hole. <!--emo& Big Grin

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Majority of Pakistanis says U.S. is greatest threatQUOTEThe poll of more than 2,500 Pakistanis, conducted across rural and urban areas at the end of July by Gallup Pakistan for Al-Jazeera, found that 41 percent favored their government's military operation against the Taliban, while 22 percent claimed neutrality and 24 percent opposed.

But only 9 percent approved of U.S. strikes by unmanned drones against Taliban and al-Qaeda targets. National Security Adviser James Jones said Sunday that the U.S. is 90 percent confident that Baitullah Mehsud, the leader of Pakistan's Taliban, was killed when a drone fired at the house of Mehsud's father-in-law on Wednesday.

"Mehsud was a very bad individual, a real thug," Jones said.

Pakistanis, though, fingered the U.S. as the enemy in the poll.

A whopping 59 percent -- a figure that cut fairly evenly across party lines, gender, language and age -- said that the U.S. is the greatest threat to Pakistan. Only 11 percent named the Taliban, and 18 percent said India was the greatest threat. Twelve percent responded "don't know."

**acharya** · 08-10-2009, 02:27 AM

Theï»¿ creation of Pakistan was a dream since the 1857 War of Independance when we lost our king Muhammad Bahadur Shah Zafar to the invading europeans.

The partition of India did not happen on its own. It was a process which involved all three parties: Hindus, Muslims and the British. One must rememberï»¿ that the demand for our own homeland only came about when Hindu Congress under the leadership of Nehru rejected the Cabinet Mission Plan which advocated autonomy for for the Pakistani provinces under a United India and reserved seats in the national parliment.

08-10-2009, 10:06 AM

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08-10-2009, 10:10 AM

http://belfercenter.ksg.harvard.edu/files/...06_08032009.pdf
US Aid To Pakistan â US Taxpayers Have Funded Pakistani Corruption

08-10-2009, 10:14 AM

http://www.thenews.com.pk/print1.asp?id=192272
Mehsudâs role in Benazir murder dubious

http://www.thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=23778
After Baitullah, battle on for Taliban treasure

http://www.thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=23782
Baitullahâs aide says he is alive but ill

Paki used US to kill Baitullah

Naresh · 08-10-2009, 02:16 PM

QUOTE(Mudy @ Aug 10 2009, 10:06 AM)60,000 ghost employees in railways, says ministerÂ <!--emo& Big Grin

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Mudy Ji :

This, just about, takes the cake :

Jadam said 80,000 people were on the PR payroll, but 30,000 were absent from their duties while another *30,000 were out of the country.

Now I know why the Terroristanis went "GA-GA" about Lalloo when he visitied Terroristan!

* : I suppose these 30,000 have "Illegally" (They entered India on a Valid "Visit Visa" but have not returned to the Land of the Pure and the Home of the Terrorists) been sent to India to Aid in Terroristan's Terrorism being perpetrated in India.

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Naresh · 08-10-2009, 02:20 PM

QUOTE(acharya @ Aug 10 2009, 02:27 AM)Theï»¿ creation of Pakistan was a dream since the 1857 War of Independance when we lost our king Muhammad Bahadur Shah Zafar to the invading europeans.

The partition of India did not happen on its own. It was a process which involved all three parties: Hindus, Muslims and the British. One must rememberï»¿ that the demand for our own homeland only came about when Hindu Congress under the leadership of Nehru rejected the Cabinet Mission Plan which advocated autonomy for for the Pakistani provinces under a United India and reserved seats in the national parliment.
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acharya Ji :

One was not aware of your Pakistani antecedents!

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