Woman Reservation Bill

[Capt M Kumar]

Mob politics reached Rajya Sabha as this bill passed it and here is what it may bring in it's passage thru Lok Sabha:

Congress on its part may have to live with the fact that desertion by SP and RJD as UPA supporters will mean a loss of 26 MPs. It will bring it close to the majority mark and leave it groping for free-floating individuals like Jaya Prada, Jaswant Singh, Digvijay Singh, small parties like JD(S) and its own allies like Trinamool Congress.



The party brass seems to have taken a decision that it can indulge in counter brinkmanship with allies who too need Congress in view of crucial battles in Bengal and Tamil Nadu.



Though survival may not be a real threat, it does leave the ruling benches with the task of managing numbers ahead of every crucial bill, particularly those relating to finance.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india...665233.cms

[sudhanshu005]

[quote name='Capt M Kumar' date='10 March 2010 - 09:13 AM' timestamp='1268192126' post='105021']

Mob politics reached Rajya Sabha as this bill passed it and here is what it may bring in it's passage thru Lok Sabha:

Congress on its part may have to live with the fact that desertion by SP and RJD as UPA supporters will mean a loss of 26 MPs. It will bring it close to the majority mark and leave it groping for free-floating individuals like Jaya Prada, Jaswant Singh, Digvijay Singh, small parties like JD(S) and its own allies like Trinamool Congress.



The party brass seems to have taken a decision that it can indulge in counter brinkmanship with allies who too need Congress in view of crucial battles in Bengal and Tamil Nadu.



Though survival may not be a real threat, it does leave the ruling benches with the task of managing numbers ahead of every crucial bill, particularly those relating to finance.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india...665233.cms

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Due to an unseen future most of political parties like Congress, BJP, Left, etc., who want to show their moderate and lady favored parties face must support the BILL for the reservation for women in L.S. and Assempbly elections. But the fact is not this, cuz they are not really want to uplift of the women in contry, but they wants to use this in favour of their parties in comming elections.





The favour of women can be done by the decision of " 33% reservation for women in thier parties for selection of the candidates for elections, if they are firmed for that they can give the Party Symbol, to women.



By internal resevation of 33% for women in political parties will be the best way to uplift of the women in Parliyament & Assemblies, caz, Soniya Gandhi, Indira Gandi, Sushma Swaraj, Zayalalita, Mamta Banergy, Mayawati, Pratibha Patil, etc. are the example of women power, their caliber, and the achievment aquired by them are not the result of reservation, the status achieved by them are only the result of their struggle.



But the reservation indicates that the needs our sympathy for thier sucsses, against of this India is the contry where we have a lot of Miths and Truth of the women power in all fields,eg.( Devotional,Social, Financial, Political, Burocratical, etc.) -

[Bharatvarsh2]

More reservation garbage.



We have enough reservations already, the idiocy of Indian politicians never ceases to amaze me.



If women can get by merit into politics they will otherwise they won't it's that simple.



And sudhanshu it's "Jayalalita" not "Zayalalita".

[Husky]

[quote name='sudhanshu' date='10 March 2010 - 05:00 PM' timestamp='1268220145' post='105026']By internal resevation of 33% for women in political parties will be the best way to uplift of the women in Parliyament & Assemblies, caz, Soniya Gandhi, Indira Gandi, Sushma Swaraj, Zayalalita, Mamta Banergy <img src='http://www.india-forum.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blink.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':blink:' /> , Mayawati, Pratibha Patil, etc. are the example of women power, their caliber, and the achievment aquired by them are not the result of reservation, the status achieved by them are only the result of their struggle.[/quote]Sonia is not Indian but Italian, I doubt she needs you to play sheepdog for her rights, since she has proven herself capable of sucking up all privileges for herself. What "struggles" did she undergo? She slept her way into power in India: she married Rajiv and solely on the 'merit' of marrying into the "Gandhis", she's now able to play Santa Helena Part II.



Also, what is this 33% reservation you're hawking "will be the best way to uplift women" (assuming I actually made sense of your English)? I suspect women want not merely 33% but 50% reservation on any income you ever make. I gauge - as telepathically as you "feel" their opinion (after all, if you can telepathise, so can I) - that women's collective future is best secured when you hand over your dough to them. In fact, you can give it to me for safekeeping: I will give it to them, trust me. Someone as blindly buffoonish as you in jumping to women's Rescue won't backtrack, surely. So put your money where your mouth is: women have struggled very hard for that 50% of your income (so my telepathic skills, which are not to be questioned, tell me).





True representation in governance is of ideals and principles alone. Gender is entirely irrelevant. Even in the extreme case of there being all men or all women in parliament, no sane person would care as long as those in charge do their job correctly and it is representative of the interests of the Indian populace.

That and that alone is sensible. And any (wo)man with half a brain would agree. Just because someone has the chromosome combination for a female does not make them representative in any other respect of other women. And as far as ideals of the Dharmic populace go, they are shared by both men and women - collectively called "humans" <- you might want to look up that word in a dictionary sometime - and they don't need alien ideological terrorists or local converts and ignorant stooges to hijack their political representation using something as insipid and meaningless as sharing the same chromosomal combination. "Oh what a coincidence, Sonia is XX and so is the Indian woman!" <- And that's where all similarity ceases.

But I guess you can't see that, any commonsense you might have had at birth is obviously drowned out by your having over-convoluted your head with the many 'inspiring' communist screeches of meaningless Forced Equality (e.g. by numbers, but I note that even this forced "equality" of communism is a blatant contradiction: you're selling 33% not the ~50% of male-female ratio; are there women who actually buy the con that the brains who did the thinking for you are trying to pin on them?)

But the reservation indicates that the needs our sympathy for thier sucsses, against of this India is the contry where we have a lot of Miths and Truth of the women power in all fields,eg.( Devotional,Social, Financial, Political, Burocratical, etc.) -

What did he just say <img src='http://www.india-forum.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blink.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':blink:' />

People who can't speak at all shouldn't be electing themselves, uninvited, to speak for others. <- There's a free tip. Subsequent tips will cost you, and the costs will increase exponentially. Oh, and I telepathise once more that "women" are still waiting for that 50% of your income. But since you're so generous and sympathetic to their success, I know you will hand all 100% over without question to doubly prove you're not a hypocrite. All that's left for you then is to Hurry Up with the money while remaining Quiet.

[Capt M Kumar]

New Delhi/Lucknow/Allahabad, Mar 10 (ANI): Women across India are celebrating the passing of the Women's Reservation Bill. This Bill, once enacted as a law will, provide 33 percent reservation for women in parliament and various state legislative assemblies.





The joy could be judged from the fact that even women party workers of the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) in New Delhi danced and distributed sweets to hail this historic event in the annals India. http://news.oneindia.in/2010/03/10/women...nbill.html

[rhytha]

Sonia is not Indian but Italian, I doubt she needs you to play sheepdog for her rights, since she has proven herself capable of sucking up all privileges for herself. What "struggles" did she undergo? She slept her way into power in India: she married Rajiv and solely on the 'merit' of marrying into the "Gandhis", she's now able to play Santa Helena Part II.

Husky, Sonia actually refused to lead congress and become part of it after rajivs death, so the congress elected sitaram kesri who was running the show. congress guys went and fell on her feet to lead them after Sitaram Kesri's absymal performance and said only a Gandhi can resurrect Indian congress.



And on why Indian politicians elect their wifes, sister, mother, grandmother etc to ministerial berths when in power, and why the followers accept them, in fact some infact demand exactly that, read "The Indians" by sudhir kakkar.

[Capt M Kumar]

To be law, it may take at 2 yrs as at least 15 state legislatures must ratify this bill after it's successful passage from Lok Sabha and here is what's going on in BJP:

Yadav said the use of marshals amounted to “martial law” and his party had been a “mute spectator”.



“History will not spare the BJP. The BJP was like Bhishmapitamah and Dronacharya in Mahabharata who remained mute spectators to the disrobing of Draupadi,” he said. Attacking the policy of his party to support the Bill, he said the BJP would “decline further” if it ignored the backward classes.



Yogi Adityanath, MP from Gorakhpur in Uttar Pradesh, too aired his protest, wondering why the party had shown such eagerness to back the women’s reservation Bill when there were more pressing matters on hand. http://www.indianexpress.com/news/bjp-ch...l/589444/2

[Guest]

Parliament Ka Zenana – Guest Post by M Balaji

11 March 2010 32 views No Comment

Based upon the euphoric outpourings of the Indian media, all Indian women are supposedly thrilled about the Women’s Reservation Bill. It provides a historic opportunity to the women of India etc etc.



I am truly puzzled as to where the Delhi media has drawn these conclusions from. My female friends circle does not reflect these views and neither do the rural/poor women we have interacted with.



By way of background, I am of the female gender. I went to some of the elite educational institutions in India “not on quota” and have done pretty well in the corporate world. I used to take a bus to college and my parents had to take a loan to pay for my highly subsidized college and post graduate education. All in all, a middle class person and hence entitled to speak about this quota drama since it is supposed to help the non-elite, right!



For this write-up I’ll stick to just the female point of view of this “quota business” leaving aside other loopholes the depth of the Marina trench, such as rotation of seats which singlehandedly skewer our democracy like a shish kebab.





http://satyameva-jayate.org/2010/03/11/p...ka-zenana/

[Capt M Kumar]

Like his RJD and SP counterparts, JD(U) chief Sharad Yadav too denied any move to sponsor a no-confidence motion against the Manmohan Singh government, underscoring that they lacked the necessary numbers for the purpose. So, while creating a ruckus in the Lower House, they decided to work on the numbers, cobbling together as many MPs possible with an eye to eat into the BJP and UPA camps. They drew first blood on Wednesday when they won over the Shiv Sena, which has 11 members in the Lok Sabha. Shiv Sena leader Anant Geete not only joined the agitating members in the well of the House but later told reporters that the party, which had voted for the Bill in the Upper House, had reconsidered its stand on the issue.

http://www.hindu.com/2010/03/11/stories/...430100.htm

[Guest]

RJD and SP counterparts, JD(U) etc will lose lot of seats to women.

It will be reservation within reservation.



How to destroy country? create groups and make them fight with each other by giving preference to one group over other.

[Capt M Kumar]

When the Yadavs allowed LS to run for a while on Thursday, their statements were replete with claims on how the Muslim women will be impacted by the quota law. At one point, Lalu even asked Sonia Gandhi

why does Congress "hate" the community 80% of whose members had voted for it.



The other part of the anti-quota strategy has been a furious reaching out to members outside their grouping. Lalu lobbied Rahul Gandhi by touching a sensitive part of the young leader's campaign. Looking at Sonia Gandhi, he said he was seeking reservation for "Kalawati" whose home Rahul had visited but at whose name BJP leaders had sniggered in Parliament.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india...673423.cms

[Capt M Kumar]

<img src='http://www.india-forum.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ohmy.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':o' /> When I tell you that the memory that is triggered is of a line of Amazonian women with their saris hoisted above their waists in public in Chennai, I dare say you will empathise with my traumatised state.



When I further tell you that this ‘flash mob’ was drawn from the women wing of a regional political party upon orders from their megalomaniac leader and chief minister of the day, J Jayalalithaa, evidently to subject a male political opponent to some ritual humiliation with an extravagant display of ‘yoni power’, you will also understand why I am considerably underwhelmed by the promised prospect of having more women in electoral politics.

http://www.dnaindia.com/opinion/column_t...er_1358214

[dhu]

[url="http://www.dailypioneer.com/242447/BJP-must-say-no-to-women%E2%80%99s-Bill.html"]BJP must say no to women’s Bill[/url]



Sandhya Jain



The Congress’s sphinx-like supremo, who made passage of the women’s reservation Bill in the Rajya Sabha on International Women’s Day a matter of personal prestige, is not known for cogent analysis and articulation on any issue. This has not dissuaded acolytes from informing us, via a servile media, of the issues “close to madam’s heart”. Last time it was the disastrous India-US nuclear deal, the nuisance clauses of which are only beginning to unravel. That alone should have warned the BJP and Left parties from following Mr Sonia Gandhi’s agenda for women’s empowerment.



But so addicted is our political class to slogans in lieu of hard thinking, that the concerned parties did not even examine the said legislation, and jumped in feet first, enforcing compliance by issuing whips after the March 8 shutdown of Parliament. Now, with murmurs of dissent rising, particularly after the disgraceful manner in which the legislation was passed on March 9 after marshals evicted obstructing members, it would be wise for the BJP to rethink its commitment to the Bill.



But first, BJP leaders Ms Sushma Swaraj (Lok Sabha) and Mr Arun Jaitley (Rajya Sabha) must answer why they agreed to pass the legislation in such a tearing hurry when marshals were used to evict members. What was the BJP’s compulsion to abet Ms Gandhi’s personal agenda?



The women’s Bill negates one of the basic features of the Constitution — the right to equality, irrespective of gender or religion, a fact further enshrined by the Supreme Court in the Keshavananda Bharati case. The Congress-led UPA 1.0 gobbled up non-discrimination on grounds of religion by establishing an exclusive Ministry of Minority Affairs, declaring that Muslims have the first right to national resources, and setting up several schemes and institutions to cater exclusively for minorities (read Muslims).



The BJP is now compounding its sins of omission and commission by supporting a blatantly un-constitutional legislation for political reservations on grounds of gender. Parliament has no authority to amend a basic feature of the Constitution, and the legislation can be struck down by the Supreme Court. Why are political parties opening themselves to such humiliation?



Another pertinent question is the mystical figure of 33 per cent. How was this arrived at when it is known that women must logically comprise over 50 per cent of a nation’s demography (unless this is seriously disturbed by issues like female infanticide or foeticide)? Common sense suggests that far from empowering women, the legislation actually caps their power and representation, as it will be impossible for women to exceed 33 per cent seats whenever they are ready to come to Parliament in larger numbers. This is not a small issue.



It will be even worse if the UPA is forced to compromise and dilute women’s reservation to say, 20 per cent, as has been mooted in some quarters. This token reservation will need to be passed afresh in the Rajya Sabha, bringing us back to square one — why was the legislation moved and passed in the Upper House without due debate and consultation at the national level and within political parties?



The women’s reservation Bill is totally devoid of merit. Its greatest advocates are women who have risen in their respective parties by patronage, have no meaningful public contribution, and want to ensure that their parties do not sideline them. Indian citizens need competent representatives, not gender; eunuchs have won Assembly elections because of this quest for leaders who deliver.



More pertinently, if the BJP agrees to change the Constitution for one group, on what grounds will it refuse extension of the reservation pie to Muslims, as envisaged by the National Commission for Religious and Linguistic Minorities (Ranganath Mishra Commission)? And what if Ms Gandhi is rushing the women’s Bill precisely because she knows the minority quota is impossible, and intends to use the women’s quota as a de facto Muslim quota?



This means that once 33 per cent quota for women is law, the Congress can give tickets only to Muslim women and win, say, 25 per cent of the seats. These women will form a communal block in Parliament and the State Assemblies, and work for a Muslim agenda. Does the BJP have a counter to this mischief? Once this happens, the supposed opposition of Maulana Saidur Rehman Azmi Nadvi of Nadwatul Ulema to women’s reservation will vanish.



Actually, the sub-caste quotas demanded by Mr Mulayam Singh Yadav and Mr Lalu Prasad Yadav would mitigate this danger, as it would keep their Hindu vote-bank intact. The BJP, having ceased to think in the Hindu interest a long time ago, has not thought of any safeguard for Hindu voters.



This is not to suggest that we accept sub-quotas for Dalit, OBC or Muslim women. Quotas fragment societal unity; Indians now want a sharp reversal of the quota regime. Reservations have been found to promote mediocrity, and are now hurting even their intended beneficiaries who suffer at the hands of the creamy layer within their ranks. It has proved politically impossible to tackle the creamy layer; what will we do if women’s reservation ends up as the Muslim women’s reservation?



It is now up to the Congress to introduce the Bill in the Lok Sabha and get it through. The Congress is nervous as the Budget has to be passed and voices of resistance have begun to be aired in the BJP — some say former president Rajnath Singh is instigating the revolt cum re-think. Be that as it may, given the dangerous trajectory of UPA 2.0, it may be in the BJP’s best interests to use the Budget Session to bring down the Government and throw out its divisive agenda, lock stock and barrel.



This would have the additional merit of effectively downsizing the Gandhi family and ending the well propagated myth that Mr Rahul Gandhi is the future Prime Minister. The Congress simply cannot win the present number of seats again in the event of an early election, not with the current price rise! A fresh election will give Mr Nitin Gadkari a chance to reassert Hindutva as the BJP’s ideology and political manifesto.

[Capt M Kumar]

There is a constitutional revolution underway. It has long been in the making. But its full logic is unfolding now. This new type of regime it will beget defies classification. It cannot be captured by the categories bequeathed by those who understood different regime types: Plato or Polybius, Aristotle or Kautilya, Montesquieu or Madison. This new regime is not a monarchy, aristocracy, republic or a democracy. It has its distinct identity, values and institutional frame. Behold all, the rise of Quotocracy! Experience the bliss that is this new dawn. http://www.indianexpress.com/news/our-wo...y/590788/0