Islamism - 7

[HareKrishna]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RF...re=related

Killing of Non-Muslims is Legitimate (British Mullah)





http://www.tangle.com/view_video?viewkey...ea1ceb73e4

[Bharatvarsh2]

Forgotten Islamist terror plot targeted Toronto

Published On Tue Aug 31 2010



John Goddard

Staff Reporter



Almost everybody has forgotten the first homegrown Islamic terrorist plot on Toronto.



In 1991, five black Muslim followers of the Pakistani movement Jamaat Al Fuqra stood accused of conspiring to simultaneously blow up two Toronto buildings in an attempt to kill 4,500 people.



At the time, the case appeared isolated. Only now can it be seen as part of a series of alleged and proven cases of homegrown Islamic terror in Montreal, Toronto and Ottawa.



Two years before the first World Trade Center bombing and a decade before the 9/11 terrorist attacks on the United States, Toronto was to become the original ground zero of Islamic terrorism in North America.





Glenn Neville Ford



The plot was to simultaneously blow up the India Centre cinema (capacity 500) on Gerrard St. E., and the Vishnu Hindu temple (capacity 4,000) in Richmond Hill during the Hindu Festival of Lights when the buildings were expected to be full.



“A cold-blooded conspiracy,” the trial judge called the attempt. “Your actions are despicable and represent a challenge to the very fabric of our society.”



The story begins with Glenn Neville Ford, a Trinidadian native and Muslim convert.



In the mid-1970s he immigrated to Toronto and by 1982 had founded a branch of the Jamaat Al Fuqra sect, led by Pakistani cleric Sheik Mubarik Ali Gilani.



Gilani was the man Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl was to meet when he was kidnapped and killed in 2002. Pearl was trying to confirm an alleged connection between Al Fuqra and “shoe bomber” Richard Reid.



“The mission of this Jamaat al-Fuqra (Army of the Poor) is to lead Muslims to their final victory over Communists, Zionists, Hindus (and) deviators,” Gilani wrote in a book seized by Toronto police, Mohammedan Revelations.



Ford twice travelled to Lahore, Pakistan, to study at Gilani’s International Quranic Open University, described by the FBI as a terror front. In 1991, Ford also followed Gilani’s call to establish a rural collective to insulate followers from Western culture.



With another Trinidad-born Torontonian, Max Lon Fongenie, Ford bought land near Algonquin Park at Combermere to start a settlement called Hasanville. Three dozen such compounds exist in North America.



Regular Hasanville visitors that summer included Tyrone Cole, Robert Wesley and Caba Jose Harris, all converts to Islam and all from Texas. There, police alleged, they hatched a plan.



On Oct. 3, 1991, in two cars, Ford and the Texans attempted to enter the United States at Niagara Falls.



U.S. border guards spotted a letter with the phrase “dying as a soldier of Allah.” They found floor plans of the cinema and temple.



They also found aerial photos, videotaped interiors, entry plans, bomb-making instructions and diagrams showing how to wrap explosives around natural gas lines to inflict maximum human carnage.



One document led police to a Brooklyn address and a cache of two rifles, seven handguns and 2,000 rounds of ammunition. The four travellers, police said, were heading to Brooklyn to pick up the weapons.



Eight men were accused. One was quickly dismissed. Fongenie escaped to Pakistan. A Brooklyn man pleaded guilty to weapons offences. Ford, the three Texans and another Toronto man, Khidr Ali, were sent to trial.



That trial was set to begin in April 1993, then postponed.



Barely a month had passed since the first World Trade Center bombing that killed six people and injured 1,042. An Al Fuqra connection to the New York attack was suspected — and later confirmed — leading to fears that the University Ave. courthouse might also be bombed.



Since 1982, Al Fuqra had been found responsible for 17 other criminal acts in the United States, including murders and fire bombings, an FBI agent would later testify.



The trial was switched to St. Catharines. Rooftop snipers, police barricades, metal detectors and search dogs secured the area. The five accused rode to court chained together at wrist and ankle in a seven-car police convoy.



“This is a very serious case,” said Toronto police Det. David Malcolm.



But the outcome proved anti-climactic. All five beat the main charge of conspiring to commit murder.



The three Texans — “members of a terrorist movement,” the judge called them — were convicted of conspiring to commit mischief endangering life. Each was sentenced to 12 years. In April 2006 they were freed and deported.



Both Torontonians were acquitted. Ford and Ali left to live in Hasanville and the entire episode slipped from public consciousness.



A 2006 report from Ottawa’s Integrated Threat Assessment Centre deemed Al Fuqra not to be a terrorist threat in Canada. The U.S. government listed Al Fuqra as a terrorist organization in 1995 and delisted it in 2000 for lack of activity.



http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/artic...ed-toronto

[Bharatvarsh2]

Priest, two others killed in Arni temple

TNN, Sep 4, 2010, 05.14am IST



NAGPUR: The killing of an 80-year-old priest of ancient Mahadeo temple along with two activists of Bajrang Dal and Vishwa Hindu Parishad sparked tension at Arni in Yavatmal district on Friday.



VHP has called for Yavatmal district bandh on Saturday and supported the protesting townsmen`s decision to perform the last rites of the deceased only after the culprits are arrested. A group of men hanging around a nearby dargah who were into illegal sand business is suspected to be behind the attack in which three persons were killed and one was seriously injured.



Priest Ramoji Mirase, Bajrang Dal activist Rajesh Ingole (28) and VHP worker Motiram Shinde (55) were found dead in a pool of blood on the temple premises by devotees who went there around 8am.



Another Bajrang Dal activist Anil Umre (35) was seriously injured and rushed to government medical college and hospital for treatment here. VHP Vidarbha chief Hemant Jambhekar said that the miscreants had on earlier occasions threatened the priest with dire consequences. On Thursday evening they arrived in four tractors to ferry sand from the banks of Arunavati river where the temple is located. Hindu activists and the priest objected to it and summoned the police. The temple attack is seen as retaliation to it by the sand mafia.



The VHP has called for Yavatmal district bandh on Saturday to protest against police inaction leading to the murder, sources said. Local Shiv Sena leader and ex-MLA Balasaheb Munginwar joined the protests and demanded a compensation of Rs 5 lakh to each of the victims and a CID probe into the attack. BJP, Sena and MNS have supported the Saturday bandh.



Jambhekar said police complaints were made following threats received by the old priest, but no action was taken. On Thursday, the police arrived on the scene and caught over 20 men from a minority community ferrying sand but let them go away.



The VHP has dismissed the police version that miscreants had attacked the temple to steal a cash box, saying they were trying to cover up inaction.



http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/...z0ya3p80i5

[Guest]

came via email

http://ireport.cnn.com/ir-topic-stories....535&hpt=T1



They are asking for comments. As seen there, you don't really have to videotape yourself etc., just contribute factual input and let the web do the rest. I would not give my real name, given the nature of the opposition. The best one I saw so far, just provided a link to one of the opposition's websites and asked why the "Religion of Peace" isn't doing something about itself. Now that link will be viewed by thousands.



Likewise, links to news stories, say from India or elsewhere about the realities of the R-o-P might be useful to post, not least because those will be seen by more people. Like



http://newszone4u.blogspot.com/2010/07/k...f-for.html



and

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2010...f_han.html



and the fear-induced reaction to that:



http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/09/india-...uhamm.html



or numerous other examples, say of Saudi Customs officials stomping on copies of the Gita or Bible that passengers carry for their personal reading.

[Guest]

Somebody @ Huffington Post argues as below:

Dhimmis paid the jizya, Muslims paid zakat. The article you linked says this is irrelevant because it is wrong to charge a specific tax based on someone's religion, and they should all be paying zakat. Why not argue then that it is wrong to make Muslims pay zakat just because they are Muslims, and say we should ask them to pay jizya instead like everyone else? This is just an argument over semantics. In any case if the dhimmis were being made to pay zakat instead you could then say that they are having Muslim religious requirements forced on them

[G.Subramaniam]

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Somebody @ Huffington Post argues as below:

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Zakat is 3%, Jaziya is 30% tax

[acharya]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkdgQGJ1ZOA



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[Bharatvarsh2]

Curfew in Punjab town after rumours of Quran burning in US



Chandigarh, Sep 13: Curfew was imposed in Punjab's Malerkotla town today following communal tension in which the property of a church was set on fire by a mob enraged after rumours that the Quran has been burnt in the US.



Police officials in Malerkotla, about 150 km from here, said curfew would continue till tension subsides in the town.



Violence erupted late Sunday after a rumour spread that the Quran has been burnt in Michigan, US. Soon, a mob gathered and proceeded to the town's only church, shouting slogans against the US government. The mob then set furniture of the church on fire before the police intervened.



Situation in the town remained tense throughout the night and Punjab Police rushed reinforcements.



Police officials said the rumour about the desecration of the holy book started following the recent controversy in the US after a pastor in Florida threatened to burn copies of the Quran on the anniversary of the 9/11 terror attacks. (IANS)



http://headlinesindia.mapsofindia.com/st...63091.html

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Trouble these days in the alliance between love and peace against Hindus.

[Bharatvarsh2]

Mob torch Missionary School in Kashmir

Written by Admin

Monday, 13 September 2010 18:11

News Desk: Breaking News! The ongoing violence in Jammu & Kashmir took a dramatic turn, as an angry mob went on a rampage and set a missionary school on fire, reported the AFP. At least four people were killed in police firing.







The mob comprising of Muslims chanted anti-US and pro-Islamic slogans and later stormed the Tyndale Biscoe School in Tangmarg village, which is 40-km from Srinagar.







The protesters were angry over the Quran burning incident near the Ground Zero in New York on the ninth anniversary of 9/11.







The police had to fire tear gas shells and resorted to baton charge to disperse the mob. Four people were killed in police firing later. Several others were injured during the scuffle. None of the school authorities were injured in the attack.





http://www.breakingnewsonline.net/region...shmir.html



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[Bharatvarsh2]

Anti-Apostasy Law by the State of Bhopal, 1920



Copy of ‘Jaridah’ dated 7th July 1920, of Resolution No. 17, dated 5th July 1920:



Her Highness the Ruler of Bhopal has been pleased to order that, in pursuance of section 300 of the Shahjehani Penal Code, Rule No. 1, 1912, that is in the Compiled Penal Code of Bhopal, section 393, after section 393 A, the following be added, which after the date of publication will be in force and enforced:



Section 393A: Any person renouncing his faith after once embracing Islam shall be liable to be sentenced to punishment of either description extending to three years’ imprisonment or to fine, or both.



This order is published for general information and observance.



By Orders of Her Highness Sikander Saulat, Iftikhar ul-Mulk, Nawab Dame Sultan Kaikhusrau Jahan Begum Sahiba, Nawab Begum of Dar ul-Iqbal-i-Bhopal, GCSI, GCIE, CI, GBE, KIH.



The above order was issued by the Begum Sahiba in immediate reaction to the success of Shuddhi movement of Arya Samaj.



In the same year when Begum Sahiba signed the above order, she was also appointed the Founding Chancellor of the Aligarh Muslim University, in recognition of the financial and other contributions to its founding by her state, and she remained in the honorary post till her death in 1930. These days, she is paraded by seculars as a modernist Moslem woman of her time, and an icon of Progressivism. All her principal relatives migrated to Pakistan after partition, except for one grand-daughter who was married to the Nawab of Pataudi, and gave birth to Mansoor Ali Khan Pataudi.



http://bharatendu.wordpress.com/2009/11/...opal-1920/

[HareKrishna]

http://ottenki-serogo.livejournal.com/191194.html



muslims in russia

[HareKrishna]

" In a rare interview, Muhammad Saad al-Beshi, 42, told the Saudi daily Arab News that he had executed numerous women, as well as men.



“Despite the fact that I hate violence against women, when it comes to God’s will, I have to carry it out.”

I sleep very well… I live a normal life like everyone else

Muhammad Saad al-Beshi



He expressed indifference about the number of beheadings he was required to carry out. I sleep very well… I live a normal life like everyone else

Muhammad Saad al-Beshi



“It doesn’t matter to me: two, four, 10 - as long as I’m doing God’s will, it doesn’t matter how many people I execute”.



Under the Gulf kingdom’s strict Islamic Sharia laws, the death penalty can be imposed for murder, rape, apostasy, armed robbery, drug trafficking and repeated drug use. "

http://executions.justsickshit.com/2008/...ecutioner/







Texas school board concerned that textbooks are too nice to Muslims

http://www.salon.com/news/islam/index.ht...oks_muslim

[Bharatvarsh2]

About the failed attempt at takeover of Trinidad and Tobago by Muslims in 1990:

Trinidad and Tobago: Captain, the Ship Is Sinking

By Guy D. Garcia;Bernard Diederich/Port-of-Spain (Article appears on page 25 in some issues) Monday, Aug. 13, 1990



Trinidadians traditionally express their political feelings in satirical calypso songs. Prime Minister A.N.R. Robinson won a landslide four years ago to the tune of Captain, the Ship Is Sinking, a telling commentary on the island nation's economic decline. But the conservative Robinson almost lost the helm himself last week, when a group of fanatic black Muslims took him and 54 others hostage in an attempt to bring down the government.



After five days, at least 30 dead and 150 wounded, Yasin Abu Bakr, leader of the abortive coup, emerged from the television-broadcast building in Port-of- Spain and laid down his rifle. "Allah is the greatest," he said, then stood in the pouring rain as 70 of his followers added their arms to the growing pile of weapons and were taken into custody by Trinidadian soldiers. The rebels are expected to face criminal charges of treason, murder and kidnapping, and could be hanged if found guilty.



Thus ended a bizarre chapter in the history of peaceful, democratic politics in the English-speaking Caribbean, where coups are virtually unknown -- only in Grenada has an elected leadership been successfully overthrown, by Maurice Bishop in 1979. "As far as the government is concerned, it's unconditional surrender," said spokesman Gregory Shaw. But the incident was a chilling illustration of how easily Trinidad's economic straits could be exploited by desperate men like Bakr.



The seeds of the crisis were planted eight years ago after a former policeman named Lennox Phillip went to Canada to study engineering and returned to Trinidad as Yasin Abu Bakr, an ardent Islamic radical. Bakr soon became the leader of the Jamaat al-Muslimeen, or Group of Muslims. The Islamic splinter group, with few ties to the mainstream Muslims who make up 6% of the Trinidad and Tobago population of 1.3 million, espoused a potent mixture of religious fundamentalism and left-wing politics. The self-styled "Imam" traveled to Libya and was a vocal supporter of Colonel Muammar Gaddafi, but the main interest of his armed band of militants, he said, was to rid Trinidad of drugs, corruption and poverty. He lived with most of his 300 adherents on a commune on the edge of Port-of-Spain, where he commandeered government land to build a mosque, schools and shops. In recent weeks he was said to have become increasingly upset at official attempts to reclaim the land and at Robinson's failure to address the needs of the poor.



Bakr's anger turned to action on the evening of July 27, when he and more than 70 of his men stormed the Trinidad and Tobago TV studios, a mile from their mosque. At the same time, a powerful car bomb gutted the downtown police headquarters, and another group of gunmen seized the parliament building, taking Robinson and seven Cabinet ministers hostage. At 6:18 p.m., Bakr appeared on state-owned TV and announced that his "troops" had overthrown the government. Later he demanded that Robinson resign, new elections be held and an amnesty be granted to his rebel band.



As the shock of the news sank in, Trinidadians went on a weekend looting spree that left Port-of-Spain's main shopping street a shambles. But the popular uprising that Bakr had counted on never came, and he and his men soon found themselves surrounded by troops and without food. On the fifth day Bakr agreed to release Robinson, 63, who had been shot in the leg and suffers from diabetes and glaucoma. Next day Bakr and his men freed the remaining hostages and gave themselves up.



The government had to use a bit of diplomatic sleight of hand to resolve the standoff. Spokesman Shaw admitted that Robinson had agreed to Bakr's terms, but stressed that the Prime Minister had endorsed the demands under extreme duress, making them nonbinding. "Tricked, double-crossed, whatever you want to call it. It is foolish to quibble with ethics when you are dealing with situations of this kind," said Shaw. "Why not promise them the moon and the stars?"



While the audacious putsch introduced a new and disquieting dimension of Muslim extremism to the Caribbean, Jamaat al-Muslimeen remains a fringe group. Still, leaders attending last week's annual Caribbean Community meeting in Jamaica were haunted by the specter of Middle East-style Muslim uprisings.



Far more ominous, perhaps, were the economic implications of the widespread looting that broke out. The violence resulted in the worst damage seen since the Black Power riots in 1970, when half the army rebelled in support of hundreds of discontented young blacks who took to the streets of Port-of- Spain. Poor Trinidadians were signaling their growing impatience with a life of deepening poverty and an unemployment rate that has exceeded 20% since the collapse of the 1980s oil boom. Robinson has seen his standing eroded by such unpopular International Monetary Fund-dictated measures as a 10% pay cut and a new 15% value-added tax, and by his decision to spend $125,000 on a statue of a deceased civil servant. "It is a message and a lesson for the government," said one Port-of-Spain truck driver, adding "There are too many unemployed, and they don't understand all that complicated economic stuff that's strangling them." If that doesn't change soon, the people may soon be singing Bye, Bye, Mr. Prime Minister.



http://www.time.com/time/magazine/articl...z107oFINa7

[G.Subramaniam]

http://www.amren.com/mtnews/archives/201...ycholo.php



Danish Psychologist: “Integration of Muslims in Western Societies Is Not Possible”More news stories on Islam in Europe/Asia





Felix Struening, EuropeNews, March 31, 2009



Danish integration problems with Muslims became public worldwide in 2006 when the newspaper Jyllands-Posten published 12 cartoons of the prophet Mohammed. Exactly two years later riots broke out again because of the reprint of the Mohammed cartoons by all major Danish newspapers.



Currently 70% of the prison population in the Copenhagen youth prison consists of young man of Muslim heritage. Is this recent violence and general violent tendency among Muslims solely coincidental, or is there a direct connection?



In February 2009, Nicolai Sennels, a Danish psychologist published a book entitled Among criminal Muslims. A psychologist’s experience from Copenhagen. In his book, Nicolai Sennels shares a psychological perspective of this Muslim Culture, its relationship to anger, handling emotions and its religion. He based his research on hundreds of hours of therapy with 150 young Muslims in the Copenhagen youth jail. EuropeNews interviewed the author about his book and its consequences on integration of Muslims in Europe.



EuropeNews: Nicolai Sennels, how did you get the idea to write a book about criminal Muslims in Denmark?



Nicolai Sennels: I got the idea in February 2008 during a conference on integration in Copenhagen, where I was invited as the first and only psychologist working in a Copenhagen youth prison. My speech at the conference was about the fact, that foreigners’ culture plays a significant role concerning integration, crime and religious extremism. I emphasized, that people from a Muslim culture find it difficult, if not impossible, to create a successful life in Denmark.



This statement was met with great resistance from Danish politicians and also my own boss from the youth prison. I was quite surprised since I thought that my point is obvious: some cultures fit better into Western societies than others. All of Europe is currently struggling to integrate Muslims but this endeavor seems to be impossible. According to the Danish police and the Danish Bureau of Statistics more than 70% of all crimes in the Danish capital are committed by Muslims. Our national bank recently published a report stating that a Muslim foreigner costs more than 2 million Danish kroner (300,000 euros) in federal social assistance on average, caused by the low participation in the work force. On top of this, we have to add many additional types of social welfare that unemployed people can receive in our country: expenses in connection with interpreters, special classes in school—64% of school children with Muslim parents cannot read and write Danish properly after 10 years in a Danish school—social work, extra police etc.



My statement resulted in a legal injunction, a kind of professional punishment, which stated, that if I ever repeat this, I could be fired. According to the Copenhagen authorities it is apparently permitted to state that the serious problems among Muslims are caused by poverty, the media, the police, the Danes, politicians, etc. But two things are definitely not allowed: 1) discussing the significance of culture and 2) our foreigners own responsibility for their integration in our societies. Unfortunately many very powerful politicians lack a clear understanding of the psychological aspect of culture and the influence it has on integration.



EuropeNews: What were the reactions in Denmark?



Sennels: The book was received with a great amount of attention, already before the book was officially published on February 24 2009. It was on the front page of one of the biggest national newspapers in Denmark, and I was on the radio and TV participating in debates with politicians and other experts on the subject. The first publication of the book was sold out after three weeks.



Since then, there have been some big changes in Danish integration policy, which seems to have been influenced by the book and the attention it got. From my personal point of view, the widespread attention shows that my statement is true: there is simply a great need for a deeper understanding of how Muslims’ culture influences their chances for integration.



The very famous politician, Naser Khader, who is Muslim and the author of the bestseller “Honor and Shame”, wrote a review of my book and stated that it should be “obligatory reading for students, social workers and teachers.” Jyllands-Posten, the brave newspaper that first published the Mohammed cartoons, calls the book “an original piece of pioneer work”.



EuropeNews: Let’s have a closer look at the book. You talk about four myths of integration. The first one concerns the difference between the cultures of immigrants.



Sennels: What I discovered during my work at the youth prison was that people of Muslim heritage have other needs for social work than Danes or people of non-Muslim cultures. These different needs require more attention, and psychologists need to do more research on these topics in order to be able to create effective social politics.



I completely agree with my critics that personal and social problems can lead to anti-social behavior among both Westerners and Muslims. However, there is still extremely disproportional anti-social and anti-democratic behavior among Muslims. The Danish Bureau of Statistics published a report (1 and 2) stating that Muslim countries take the first eight places on the top 10-list of criminals’ country of origin. Denmark is number nine on this list.



EuropeNews: So that means, we have to treat Muslim and non-Muslim immigrants in a different way?



Sennels: Seen from a psychological and also humanistic perspective, it is very clear that people from different cultures have different needs when they have or create problems. My own experience is that Muslims don’t understand our Western way of trying to handle conflicts through dialogue. They are raised in a culture with very clear outer authorities and consequences. Western tradition using compromise and inner reflection as primary means of handling outer and inner conflicts is seen as weak in the Muslim culture. To a great extent they simply don’t understand this softer and more humanistic way of handling social affairs. In the context of social work and politics this means that they need more borders and stronger consequences to be able to adjust their behavior.



EuropeNews: That leads us directly to the second myth: it is often said, that the criminality of immigrants is caused by social problems, not by their cultural background. In your book you disagree and point to the religion of the Muslims as a source of criminality.



Sennels: Well, I would rephrase it as “Muslim culture” instead of “religion” because there are a lot of Muslims who don’t know what is written in the Quran and who don’t visit the mosques. But they are strongly influenced on a cultural level. And there we see that especially anger is much more accepted in the Muslim culture.



One example: in Western culture and also in other non-Muslim cultures, like in Asia, you see aggression and a sudden explosion of anger as something you’ll regret afterwards, something you are ashamed of. It is completely opposite in the Muslim culture. If somebody steps on your honor—what I as a psychologist would call self confidence—you are simply expected to show aggression and often also verbal or physical revenge. So, aggression gives you a low status in our cultures, but a high status in the Muslim culture.



There is however another and much deeper reason for the wide spread anti-social behavior in Muslim communities and their strong aversion against integration—namely, the very strong identification that Muslims have with belonging to the Muslim culture.



My encounter with the Muslim culture has been a meeting with an exceedingly strong and very proud culture. This is certainly something that can ensure an ancient culture’s survival through changing times—Islam and the Muslim culture are excellent examples of this. A strong and proud culture unfortunately also makes the culture’s members almost unable to adapt to other values. In Germany, only 12% of their 3.5 million Muslims see themselves as more German than Muslim; in France and Denmark, only 14% of the Muslim populations respectively see themselves more as French or Danish than Muslim. Research among Muslims living in Denmark also shows that 50% of the 1st- and 2nd-generation immigrants are against free speech and 11% would like to see the Danish constitution exchanged with the sharia law (more numbers from this research can be found in the printed issue of the newspaper). These high percentages are of course frightening, but especially disturbing is the fact that there are no differences of opinion on this topic among Muslims who are born and raised in Muslim countries and the opinion of their children who are born and raised in Danish society. When it comes to identity among Muslims, nationality does not count at all in comparison with culture and religion. The consequence is a powerful and growing opposition to Western culture and values in Muslim ghettoes throughout Copenhagen and other major European cities.



EuropeNews: As you already pointed out, a lot of Muslims have a strong connection to their religious identity. The third myth you dismantle in your book is about the percentage of extremist’s and fundamentalists among Muslims. It’s often presumed that this percentage is relatively small. What is your experience?



Sennels: People hope that most Muslims are modern and accept Western values. My experience is different, and this has been proven by the statistics in Europe that I just quoted. In February 2008, we had some deadly serious riots by young Muslims in Denmark.



Those riots were partly a reaction to the great focus by the Danish police on the steeply rising crime rates in Muslim areas. The other reason was the reprinting of the Mohammed cartoons in all Danish newspapers. This reprinting was an act of solidarity with the cartoonist Kurt Westergaard, whose life was, and still is, seriously threatened.



In these riots, we saw Muslims who don’t practice the Islamic religion in their daily lives standing up for their culture and religion in a very aggressive way. Copenhagen was smoking for an entire week due to several hundred of fires, and the police and firemen trying to calm the situation down were also attacked. A big part of the rioters ended up in the prison where I worked, and I therefore I had the chance to talk with them. Almost all of them were Muslims, and they all claimed that what they have done—starting fires, attacking the police etc.—was justified since Danish society, through its pressure on integration and through reprinting the Mohammed cartoons, has proven itself to be racist and against Islam and Muslim culture. The few Danish people among the rioters were completely different. Their explanation of their actions was predominately a search for adventure or excitement.



EuropeNews: The fourth myth is that poverty among immigrants leads to their bad social situation. In your book, you tell us that the opposite is true.



Sennels: You can formulate this important question like this: do people get social problems because they are poor, or do they become poor because they create social problems? My experience is that the very low focus on supporting one’s children in school and on one’s own education and the lack of motivation for creating a professional career is a crucial factor for the poverty, which many Muslims experience in both our societies and in Muslim countries. On top of it, one fourth of all young male Muslims in Denmark have a criminal record. Poor reading skills, a strong aversion against authorities and a criminal record simply make it very difficult for you to get a well paying job. It is anti-social behavior that makes you poor. Not the other way around.



Unfortunately many politicians see poverty as the main cause of integration problems. I think this is a horrible and one-dimensional view of poor people and of people in general. The idea that people’s behavior is decided by the amount of money they have on their bank accounts every month is an exceedingly limited view. I myself, as a psychologist who graduated from the humanities department of the University of Copenhagen, would say that people have many more and stronger factors in their lives than money, which influence their behavior and way of thinking.



EuropeNews: What is the conclusion on your research? Is the integration of people of Muslim heritage into Western societies possible?



Nicolai Sennels: I would say that the optimists, the people who say that integration is possible, carry a very great responsibility. There is a very great risk that they are selling us hope, a dream, that has no foundation in reality. This means that they will be the ones who are responsible for Europe looking away from and not addressing its problems until it is too late.



There is simply no research in Europe that supports the optimists’ view. On the contrary, all the research that we have on integration of Muslims in Western societies shows that we are continuing to head in the wrong direction. So I don’t know how these optimists come to their conclusion. Maybe it is a vain and childish hope that everything will turn out well, just like in the fairy tales. Or maybe it is a pseudo-Darwinistic idea that everything will develop in a positive direction. One thing is for sure: they don’t base their judgments on facts.



Of course there are exceptions but for the largest part integration to the necessary degree of Muslims is not possible. Clever and compassionate people are working all over Europe on the problem, and they have spent billions of Euros on the project, yet, the problems still continue to grow.



The psychological explanation is actually simple. The Muslim and the Western cultures are fundamentally very different. This means Muslims need to undergo very big changes in their identity and values to be able to accept the values of Western societies. Changing basic structures in one’s personality is a very demanding psychological and emotional process. Apparently very few Muslims feel motivated to do so. I only know a few who managed, but I also know that it was a long and exhausting struggle on an inner level for them and that they often pay a high personal price on the outer level because their Muslim friends and families despise and/or disown them for leaving their culture.



EuropeNews: But what we are going to do with the Muslims, who are already here?



Sennels: I see two possibilities. Firstly, we should immediately stop all immigration of people from Muslim countries to Europe until we have proven that integration of Muslims is possible.



Secondly, we should help Muslims who don’t want to or are not able to integrate in our Western societies to build a new and meaningful life in a society they understand and that understands them. This means to assist them in starting a new life in a Muslim country. We actually have the economic means to do this. As I mentioned previously, the Danish National Bank calculated, that every immigrant from Muslim countries costs 300,000 euros on average. With this money, we could help these people to live a happy life in a Muslim country without having to integrate in a society they don’t understand and therefore cannot accept. Having money enough to support one’s family and live in a country where one feels at home with the surrounding culture would be a great step forward in the quality of their lives. And we should help them achieve this. Not only the individual Muslim, but also European societies will benefit. Muslims immigrating from Europe to Muslim countries will function as ambassadors for more free and democratic societies: due to their experience from living in a democracy with real human rights and their knowledge of the social systems in Europe, they will take very important ideas and values with them. In this way they can do what hopefully most of them dream of, i.e. help their Muslim brothers and sisters in their home countries by changing the poor conditions and from which they moved away from initially.



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[HareKrishna]

US will never be at war with Islam: Obama



Read more: US will never be at war with Islam: Obama - The Times of India http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world...z10vwNrfmo



http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world...541000.cms

WASHINGTON: At a ceremony at the Pentagon Memorial to mark the ninth anniversary of the 9/11 attacks, US President Barack Obama has emphasised that America will "never be at war with Islam.



"As Americans, we will not and never will be at war with Islam.... It was not a religion that attacked us that September day. It was Al-Qaeda, a sorry band of men, which perverts religion," the Dawn quoted Obama as saying.



The president, who was at the Pentagon memorial service to commemorate the 184 people who were killed after a plane hijacked by extremists slammed into the Defense Department headquarters, added, "The perpetrators of this evil act didn't simply attack America; they attacked the very idea of America itself."



In the wake of controversy surrounding the radical Florida pastor's plans of publicly burning copies of the Koran to mark 9/11 and the debate over plans to build a mosque near Ground Zero, Obama urged his compatriots to be "tolerant."



The president said that extremists like Al-Qaeda "may wish to drive us apart but we will not give in to their hatred and prejudice."



However, rallies by rival groups, supporting and opposing the disputed project of building an Islamic cultural center and mosque two blocks away from the attacks site, were to take place nearby soon after the official ceremonies at Ground Zero, breaking an unwritten taboo on open politicization of the anniversary.





Read more: US will never be at war with Islam: Obama - The Times of India http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world...z10vwsEmI7

[HareKrishna]

After the Norman conquest of Sicily, taxes imposed on the Muslim minority, were also called the "jizya"

In practise however, the Jizya levied on non-Muslims was normally far larger than the Zakat tax on Muslims. Some evidence suggests that the Jizya was typically double the Zakat; for example, the Hedaya, an Islamic legal text, declared it lawful to require twice as much of a Zimmee [dhimmi] as of a Mussulman [Muslim]." Refusing to pay both Zakat and Jizya are crimes subjected to imprisonment and punishment

[G.Subramaniam]

[quote name='HareKrishna' date='12 October 2010 - 08:38 PM' timestamp='1286895647' post='108837']

After the Norman conquest of Sicily, taxes imposed on the Muslim minority, were also called the "jizya"

In practise however, the Jizya levied on non-Muslims was normally far larger than the Zakat tax on Muslims. Some evidence suggests that the Jizya was typically double the Zakat; for example, the Hedaya, an Islamic legal text, declared it lawful to require twice as much of a Zimmee [dhimmi] as of a Mussulman [Muslim]." Refusing to pay both Zakat and Jizya are crimes subjected to imprisonment and punishment

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Zakat was 3% tax, Jaziya was 30% tax

[HareKrishna]

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mohammed destroying the idols of mecca

[Bharatvarsh2]

Got the following in an email:

Dear Mr. Kataria,



In attachment, my reply to the Hindu Kush denier. Feel free to spread or publish it, and likewise to the media editors in cc.



One defect is that i cannot cite the denier's publication data. I haven't found him through google. It would be helpful if you could give me an exact reference.



Thanks,



KE



The meaning of Hindu Kush



Hindu Kush is the name of a mountain range in Afghanistan, one that you have to cross or somehow bypass when going from Central Asia to India. It is commonly said that the name means “Hindu-slaughter”, since the straightforward dictionary meaning of kush is “killing, slaughter”. That is what I learned in my first year in Indology from the elderly professor Pierre Eggermont. Now, an Indian self-described secularist challenges this received wisdom, so let us find out the truth at the source.

A certain Rajesh Sinha has addressed Hindu forums with the following claims: “Right-wing Hindus invented baseless stories and fabricated history in order to sow seeds of hatred and enmity between the Hindus and the Muslims. One of their latest fabrication is the ‘Hindu-Killers – Hindu Kush’ myth. They hijacked the word and attributed a different meaning to feed their extreme nationalist ideology and incite the ignorant Hindus. Shrinandan Vyas published a dubious articled based on fabricated references arguing that the Muslims committed genocide against the Hindu population. Obviously this is far from the truth and Insha’Allah (God-Willing), I will dispel this myth since it is a great hindrance to many Hindus to discover the true history of Islam. (…) Shrinandan Vyas deliberately supplied fabricated references to credible sources to strengthen his argument that the ‘Hindu-Kush’ really stands for ‘Hindu-Killers’ (…): ‘All standard reference books agree that the name Hindu Kush of the mountain range in Eastern Afghanistan means 'Hindu Slaughter' or 'Hindu Killer'.’”

Since an Indology professor unconcerned with the Hindu-Muslim conflict told me the same in tempore non suspecto, it is plausible enough that standards reference books would do likewise: “Most of his references (fabricated) are from Encyclopaedia Britannica. He writes that the Encyclopaedia Britannica states: 'The name Hindu Kush first appears in 1333 AD in the writings of Ibn Battutah, the medieval Berber traveller, who said the name meant 'Hindu Killer', a meaning still given by Afghan mountain dwellers who are traditional enemies of Indian plainsmen (i.e. Hindus).’ This statement is nowhere to be found in the Encyclopaedia Britannica nor in Ibn Battutah's writings.”

Note that the statement obscures the specifically Islamic angle and attributes the expression to the “traditional” enmity of the “Afghan mountain dwellers” for the “Indian plainsmen”. This sparing of Islam would be typical of contemporary reference works. If a Hindutva hothead had invented the quotation, he would not have missed the opportunity to make it accuse Islam somehow, quod non. Not having a copy of the Encyclopaedia Britannica handy, we will nonetheless be able to show that the quotations is very probably authentic, simply because it is truthful and its reference to Ibn Battuta is easy to find and to verify. If a quality reference work like the EB speaks out on the topic Hindu Kush, we may expect it to cite the proper sources, and that is what it does in Shrinandan Vyas’s citation.

At any rate, we are in a position to cut out the middle-men, both the EB and Mr. Vyas, and go straight to the original.

According to Rajesh Sinha, “Ibn Battutah (full name, Abu 'abd Allah Muhammad Ibn 'abd Allah Al-lawati At-tanji Ibn Battutah ) was a medieval Arab traveller and the author of one of the most famous travel books. He never alleged that the name Hindu Kush means ‘Hindu Killer’ or ‘Slaughter’ but rather, he affirmed that it means ‘Mountains of India’.”

In fact, “Mountain of India” translates a similar-sounding expression, Hindu Koh. Hindu is the Persian equivalent of Sindhu, and originally meant “India”, or “Indian”. Koh is the Persian word for “mountain”, as in the name of the famous diamond Koh-i-Nûr, “mountain of light”. It is entirely likely that the name Hindu Kush came about as a sarcastic twist on the older name Hindu Koh, viz. on the occasion of an actual mass-killing.

According to Sinha, the EB states: “The name Hindu Kush derives from the Arabic for ‘Mountains of India’.” That is unlikely. Would the learned EB make such a mistake? Kush does not mean “mountain”, and the word that does, Koh, is not Arabic but Persian, as is the word Hindu. Perhaps Sinha’s allegations of “fabrication” are a projection of his very own conduct?

Here is his nod to the true story behind the term: “I will still have to clarify the meaning of ‘Hindu Kush’ for the sake of argumentation. Britannica Encyclopaedia states: In the Pashto language of Afghanistan, it is called ‘Hindu Koh’ which means ‘Mount India’.” Pashto is an Iranian language close to Persian, and in both, Hindu Koh does indeed mean “Indian Mountain”; but not Hindu Kush.

Sinha continues: “Furthermore, the name Hindu Kush did not first appear in 1333 AD in the writings of Ibn Battutah but appeared on a map published circa AD 1000. Britannica Encyclopaedia states: Its earliest known usage occurs on a map published about AD 1000.” But does this refer to the original name Hindu Koh, or to Hindu Kush? Sinha is not good at discerning between the two. At any rate, nobody claims that the term was invented by Ibn Battuta, only that he used it. There were already mass slave transports in 1000 AD, when Mahmud Ghaznavi raided India. And note that the population from which slaves were taken, was not defined as “Indian plainsmen” but as Indian non-Muslims.

So let us finally bypass all the querulous claims by our zealous secularist and see for ourselves what Ibn Battuta himself says. In the bilingual Arabic-French edition Voyages d’Ibn Battûta, texte arabe accompagné d’une introduction, by C. Defremenery and Dr. B.R. Sanguinetti (1854, reprint by Editions Anthropos, Paris), on p.84, we find the Moroccan traveller’s account: “Another motive for our journey was fear of the snow, for in the middle of this route there is a mountain called Hindû Kûsh, meaning ‘Hindu-killer’, because many of the male and female slaves transported from India die in these mountains because of the violent cold and the quantity of snow.”

So there you have it. Yes, Ibn Battuta testifies that Hindu Kush means “Hindu-killer”, and he records it as an already existing name. He also testifies that the name was occasioned by a Muslim mistreatment of Hindus, viz. their massive abduction as slaves to Central Asia. In his account, the name does not refer to one particular incident of slaughter, but to the frequent phenomenon of caravans of Hindu slaves crossing the mountains range and losing part of their cargo to the frost. So, Rajesh Sinha, well on his way to becoming an “eminent historian”, is wrong. I don’t know whether he is deluded or deliberately lying, both are ailments common among his tribe.

While we are at it, we may lay to rest another misconception concerning the name Hindu Kush. It is sometimes claimed that the term refers to the occasion when the Uzbek invader Timur transported a mass of Hindu slaves and a hundred thousand of them died in one unexpectedly cold night on this mountain. This is a case of confusion with another incident, where indeed a hundred thousand Hindus died (were killed) in one night by Timur’s hand. That was in 1399, when Timur, fearing an uprising of his Hindu prisoners to coincide with the battle he was planning for the next days, ordered his men to kill all their Hindu slaves immediately, totaling a hundred thousand killed that very night.

Ibn Battuta lived a few generations earlier, and he mentions “Hindu Kush” as an already well-established usage. In his understanding, the reference was not to one spectacular occasion of slaughter, nor of mass death by frost, but of a recurring phenomenon of slaves on transport dying there. The number of casualties would not amount to a hundred thousand in a single night, but over centuries of Hindu slave transports by Muslim conquerors, the death toll must have totaled a far greater number.

[G.Subramaniam]

http://ia331409.us.archive.org/1/items/e...756mbp.pdf



Has inscriptions of muslim kings on mosques built on demolished hindu temples