Pakistan : Terrorist Wahabi Islamic Rep Pakistan 6

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Nineteen members of paramilitary forces were killed in Taliban attacks

[Arun_S]

[url="http://www.samachar.com/Manmohan-had-secret-talks-with-Kayani-10-months-back-Report-lexsJKecddj.html"]Manmohan had 'secret talks' with Kayani 10 months back: Report[/url]

Posted: Apr 23, 2011 at 1620 hrs IST



London India's Prime Minister Dr Manmohan Singh opened secret talks with Pakistan Army chief ten months ago to build on the cricket-inspired diplomatic thaw between the two countries, a media report said today. Singh "appointed an unofficial envoy to make contact with General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, Pakistan's chief of the Army Staff who exercises de facto control over foreign policy," The Times reported.



The talks, through a back channel, have encouraged the UK and US believe that the countries competition for influence in Afghanistan could be better managed during efforts to start a peace process, it said.



The visit of Pakistan Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani to watch the semi-final match between India and Pakistan in the cricket World Cup last month has sparked hope of a diplomatic thaw between the two neighbouring countries.



Kayani visited Kabul this week to meet members of the High Peace Council, a body set up by Afghan President Hamid Karzai, to build contacts with Taliban groups.



The army chief was accompanied by General Ahmad Shuja Pasha, head of Pakistan's powerful Inter-Services Intelligence agency.

[Naresh]

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[url="http://arabnews.com/saudiarabia/article370911.ece"]Pakistani minister to hold key talks with Saudi officials[/url]



ISLAMABAD : Pakistan’s Minister of State for Foreign Affairs Hina Rabbani Khar will arrive in the Kingdom on Sunday for a two-day visit during which she will hold talks with her Saudi counterpart and senior government officials.



Sources at Pakistan’s Foreign Office said Khar’s visit to the Kingdom is very important and that she is scheduled to visit Riyadh and Jeddah.



[color="#FF0000"]They added that Khar will not only seek Saudi investment in Pakistan but also ask the Saudi leadership for assistance for Pakistan’s National Budget 2011-2012.[/color]



The visit will provide a useful opportunity to review bilateral relations and exchange views on developments in the region.



Pakistan and Saudi Arabia enjoy close relations that are based on common values of faith, traditions and interests. The people of Pakistan hold the Saudi leadership in high esteem. The Kingdom last year was among the first countries to provide relief to flood-affected areas.



The presence of around 1.5 million Pakistani expatriates in Saudi Arabia is making a valuable contribution to the Kingdom’s development and prosperity.



The planned meeting will further strengthen bonds of friendship and brotherhood.



Federal Minister for Information and Broadcasting Firdous Aashiq Awan was to visit the Kingdom recently but was forced to postpone the trip due to domestic political problems and ongoing National Assembly sessions.



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Manmohan had 'secret talks' with Kayani 10 months back: Report

He is denying. Truth is in between. Manmohan bosses in US must have ordered him to kiss Kiyani and now he is denying.

[Arun_S]

[url="http://www.samachar.com/US-considers-ISI-as-terrorist-organisation-Report-lezrOKjfebi.html"]US considers ISI as terrorist organisation: Report[/url]

Agencies Posted: Apr 25, 2011 at 1606 hrs

London US authorities have described Pakistan\'s powerful Inter-Services Intelligence agency as a terrorist organisation and considered it as much of a threat as al-Qaeda and the Taliban. Recommendations to interrogators at Guantanamo Bay rank the Inter-Services Intelligence Directorate alongside al-Qaeda, Hamas and Hezbollah in Lebanon as threats, \'The Guardian\' reported quoting secret US files obtained by it.



\"Being linked to any of these groups is an indication of terrorist or insurgent activity,\" the documents dated September 2007 said.



\"Through associations with these...organisations, a detainee may have provided support to al-Qaeda or the Taliban, or engaged in hostilities against US or coalition forces (in Afghanistan),\" the document said.



The fresh revelation on ISI links with terror groups, The Guardian said, comes on the heels of its own \"published evidence\" that US intelligence services had been receiving reports of ISI support for the Taliban in Afghanistan for many years.



In the Threat Indicator Matrix in the new document, the ISI is listed among 36 groups including Egyptian Islamic Jihad, led by al-Qaida deputy leader Ayman al-Zawahiri, the Sabotage Battalion of Chechen Martyrs; the Iranian intelligence services, and the Muslim Brotherhood.



Though the document dates from 2007 it is unlikely the ISI has been removed from the current Threat Indicator Matrix, the report said.



In classified memos outlining the background of 700 prisoners at Guantanamo there are scores of references, apparently based on intelligence reporting, to the ISI supporting, co-ordinating and protecting insurgents fighting coalition forces in Afghanistan, or even assisting al-Qaeda. Pakistani authorities have consistently denied any links with insurgents in Afghanistan or al-Qaeda.



The revelation that the ISI is considered as much of a threat as al-Qaeda and the Taliban will cause fury in Pakistan, it said.



\"It will further damage the already poor relationship between US intelligence services and their Pakistani counterparts, supposedly key allies in the hunt for Osama bin Laden and other Islamist militants in south Asia,\" the newspaper said.



The details of the alleged ISI support for insurgents at the very least give an important insight into the thinking of American strategists and senior decision-makers.



Many documents refer to alleged ISI activities in 2002 or 2003, long before the policy shift in 2007 that saw the Bush administration become much more critical of the Pakistani security establishment. One example is found among reasons given by Guantanamo officials for the continued detention of Harun Shirzad al-Afghani, a veteran militant who arrived there in June 2007.



His file states he is believed to have attended a meeting in August 2006 at which Pakistani military and intelligence officials joined senior figures in the Taliban, al-Qaeda, the Lashkar-e-Taeba group responsible for the 2008 attack in Mumbai and the Hezb-e-Islami group led by Gulbuddin Hekmatyar.



According to the report, Harun Shirzad al-Afghani was reported to have told his interrogators that in 2006 an unidentified Pakistani ISI officer paid Rs 1 million to a militant to transport ammunition to a depot within Afghanistan jointly run by al-Qaeda, the Taliban and Hekmatyar\'s faction.



A separate document about a 42-year-old Afghan detainee cites intelligence reports claiming that in early 2007 Pakistani officials were present at a meeting chaired by Mullah Mohammed Omar, the supreme chief of the Taliban, of an array of senior insurgents in Quetta, the Pakistani city where it has long been believed the Taliban leadership are based.



\"The meeting included high-level Taliban leaders... (and) representatives from the Pakistani government and the Inter-Services Intelligence Directorate,\" the document said.



At the meeting \"Mullah Omar told the attendees that they should not co-operate with the new infidel government (in Afghanistan) and should keep attacking coalition forces.

[Naresh]

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A wake up call for the Terroristanis :



[url="http://www.dawn.com/2011/04/30/be-firm-with-pakistan-on-extremism-says-british-mp.html"]Be firm with Pakistan on extremism : British MP[/url]



WASHINGTON : Western powers must be firm with Pakistan about its need to crack down on extremists, but there is no alternative to continuing to work directly with Islamabad, [color="#FF0000"]British lawmaker David Miliband said Friday.[/color]



Miliband, foreign secretary from 2007 until Britain’s Labour Party lost power last year, voiced alarm at the influence inside Pakistani society of Lashkar-e-Taiba, a militant group blamed for the deadly 2008 siege of Mumbai.



“We should be engaging with Pakistan; on the other hand, I feel very comfortable speaking very plainly about the responsibilities that they have,” Miliband said at the Council on Foreign Relations in Washington.



Pakistan needs to do more to hold assailants for the Mumbai attack accountable and if Lashkar-e-Taiba is expanding its reach, [color="#FF0000"]“then we need to be even more insistent on the need to roll up that infrastructure,”[/color] he said.



But Miliband, who said he would soon travel to Pakistan, called on the United States along with the South Asian nation’s neighbors to keep trying to engage both politically and economically.



“One of the most chilling things I’ve heard and read over the last few months is that America has a choice about whether or not to sever its links with Pakistan,” Miliband said.



“Because if you think it difficult, frustrating, enervating, dangerous dealing with Pakistan at the moment as a partner, try fulfilling your own interests in South Asia without Pakistan as a partner,” he said.



Miliband welcomed a letter sent by President Barack Obama to his Pakistani counterpart Asif Ali Zardari in late 2009, in which the US leader offered expanded cooperation but demanded Islamabad do more against militants in India and Afghanistan.



“It was a very important step, proposing a strategic relationship for the US and Pakistan to replace the unbalanced —essentially military-only relationship, individual leader-based relationship —of the past,” he said.



“I have criticized the Pakistani government for the way in which it failed adequately to respond to the significance of the outreach,” he said.



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[Naresh]

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[url="http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2011/05/01/story_1-5-2011_pg3_2"]Gurba kushtan roz-e-awal — Mir Mohammad Ali Talpur[/url]



Pakistan is looked upon as an ill-mannered, ill-tempered, untrustworthy, double-dealing, terror exporting and dishonest alms-seeker whose primary interest is to empty donors’ pockets



A severely hen-pecked husband, envious of his ‘wife-dominating’ friend, was ready to give a leg and an arm to become what his friend was. He asked his friend about the secret and was told that it was all very simple. He narrated that his wife had a cat. He told her to keep it away from him. The wife obliged but as the cat persisted, he sliced the unfortunate cat into two with a sword and that was that - she then obeyed unquestioningly.



The poor hen-pecked husband saw hope because his wife too had a cat. Returning home, he gravely told his wife to keep the cat away. Though mildly surprised by this sudden change of tenor from his previously obsequious attitude, she ignored it. When the cat came near him, he killed it. She then gave him a punishing dose of physical overwork, his newfound ego and morale bruised and battered.



A few days later, he went to his friend and complained that the stratagem had backfired badly and that the situation now was worse than before. The friend laughed out loud and long and said, “Gurba kushtan roz-e-awal”, meaning kill the cat on the first day to show you will not tolerate any nonsense because that determines the future relationship, not after you have abjectly submitted.



The Pakistani objection to the drone attacks is similar to the objection to the cat’s presence by the hen-pecked husband. [color="#FF0000"]The US is certainly not the wife in this relationship.[/color] Now as vociferously and emotively as Imran Khan, Shahbaz Sharif or the brass hats may object to the drone attacks, there will be no ending of these until of course the US, in its own wisdom and according to its policy aims, puts an end to them.



The drone attacks began in 2004 and, till 2007, there were only nine strikes. In 2008, there were 34 and 53 in 2009; after Obama assumed office, drone attacks increased drastically. Incidentally, during 2008, there were 175 civilian deaths and only 126 militant deaths but no one protested and all was hunky dory. To date, over 230 drone attacks with total casualties of about 2,000 have taken place. All along there have been civilian deaths and no one has really cared so why, all of a sudden, is there now concern about them? Something other than concern for civilians and sovereignty is at the bottom of this.



The present tension between the mentor and Pakistani army has been generated by their opposing interests in Afghanistan where Pakistan thinks it has strategic interests and would like see those served even if that means undermining NATO efforts. It also wants more payment for the services done. Now, who is going to blink in this standoff does not need much expertise to predict. The dependent will have to naturally back off, rhetoric notwithstanding.



Pakistan is certainly not looked upon benevolently or even sympathetically in the West, especially by the US, which has by far been the largest contributor to its coffers and arsenals. [color="#FF0000"]It is looked upon as an ill-mannered, ill-tempered, untrustworthy, double-dealing, terror exporting and dishonest alms-seeker whose primary interest is to empty donors’ pockets so that its rulers and establishment can have a wonderful time and a very secure future.[/color]



Pakistan went to the West with a begging bowl in its hand from day one and that bowl, with the passage of time, has grown considerably larger and the begging more insistent and strident. Moreover, increasingly the alms are being embezzled and used for personal ends. Naturally, no one is impressed by the present show of anger and outrage. Pakistan did not kill the cat on the first day. [color="#FF0000"]Now Pakistan has been gauged, measured, estimated and judged - first impressions die hard.[/color]



Regardless of Pakistan’s behaviour and attitude, the drone attacks are undoubtedly extra-judicial killing tactics, albeit used from the air and similar in illegality to the abductions, killings and dumping of dead bodies in Balochistan or the ‘dirty wars’ in Chile, Brazil and Argentina.



It should be emphasised that if any power or state can get away with blatantly illegal acts of drone attacks or the ‘dirty war’ going on in Balochistan now, where only a few days back the bodies of two more activists, Siddiq Eido and Yousaf Nazar, were found, that does not make it either legal or justified.



The US government is guilty of drone attacks [color="#FF0000"]and the Pakistani authorities of a ‘dirty war’[/color] and should answer for these, but because they are strong they continue to have their way. If this is to be the norm for all the powerful ones then why not do away with judicial systems everywhere? The Chilean and Argentinean generals have been tried and some sentenced; the victims of the state in Balochistan and of the drones and Taliban in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa also hope for justice one day.



Drone attacks or operations with catchy names will not solve the Afghanistan conundrum. Having spent a long time in Afghanistan, I can say that the US and NATO are nowhere near winning the war there; the Russians took Marjah thrice but eventually had to depart. The only solution for Afghanistan is to include all parties in talks; this though is easier said than done.



Pakistan, hard as it may try, can never become an important player there. [color="#FF0000"]It seems Pakistan does not learn from past lessons[/color] for, regardless of the group they support, that group is never going to serve their interests. [color="#FF0000"]For one they do not have the wherewithal of other countries and secondly are too crude in their dealings.[/color]



The Taliban are Taliban but somehow the Pakistan Army thinks there are good ones and bad ones. The policies adopted since 1947 have strengthened the fundamentalists who now have become powerful and efficient enough to attack naval personnel buses thrice in two days in Karachi and that too only days after General Kayani claimed that the back of the Taliban had been broken.



The mending of ties between these allies may not be smooth because the US is alarmed by the Pakistani state’s attitudes and policies. Mullen’s recent speech about the ISI exposes those fears. In my view, the US’s anxiety about our nuclear arsenal is not because they fear a Taliban takeover. It seems they have concluded that the institution in charge of the arsenal is as fundamentalist in its world outlook as the Taliban are and this bothers them no end.



The writer has an association with the Baloch rights movement going back to the early 1970s. He can be contacted at mmatalpur@gmail.com



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[size="6"]OSAMA BIN LADEN DEAD[/size]

Killed outside mansion, near Islamabad Pakistan.

Killed by CIA.



Always suspected, he was supported by ISI /Paki Army. Somebody inside snitched.

[Arun_S]

You mean ISI agent/guest killed!!



Allah did not save him here, and neither in the nitherworld of Dozak.

[Guest]

No, Paki Army guest killed by CIA

with bullet on head.

[Guest]

Next we have to see, how close to Pindi headquater. And who is the owner of this mansion.



Possible connection to Raymond Davis.

[Arun_S]

Al Quaida had announced 2 month ago that if Bin Laden is killed bu US/NATO they will retaliate with a nuke bomb in Europe that is already em-placed.



Let us see if Allah has given them Hot Air Bomb or Real Islamic bomb.

[Guest]

Al Queda strength comes from Paki Army and ISI, now they will be in deep hole for some times.

So I don't think any retaliation some wanna be may try some.

I think Islamic world will be in tizzy.

[Guest]

He was killed in Abbotabad.

[Arun_S]

Obaba in his TV address gave H&D burqua to Zardari and Terrorist State of Pakistan's security forces.



Haak Thoooo !!!!

[Guest]

Obama, whole speech was "I" and "me" and protecting Islam and Pakistan

[Guest]

Posted on The News 3 Hours ago:



ABBOTTABAD: Three loud blasts were heard near the Pakistan Military Academy (PMA) Kakul Road late Sunday night and a military helicopter also crashed. Sources told Geo News that heavy firing was heard in the area before the chopper crashed.



Windowpanes of the nearby buildings and houses were smashed due to the intensity of the blasts, the sources said. Eyewitnesses said first sound of heavy firing was heard and then there was a huge blast. Fire erupted at the scene of the occurrence and according to latest reports police and fire brigade teams were rushing towards the blast scene. Security forces cordoned off the entire area and military helicopters were also hovering over the area.

[Guest]

Now Paki Financial AIDS is over.

[Arun_S]

4 choppers were used in attack. One was brought down due to hostile fire.



Of the 3 other male members killed, one is thought to be OBL's son.

[Guest]

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/02/world/...ed.html?hp