Pakistan : Terrorist Wahabi Islamic Rep Pakistan 6

[Guest]

[Guest]

20-25 US Navy Seal operation. Osama was shot in the head! His body is prepared per Islamic tradition!

[Guest]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42853221/ns/...tral_asia/

US tracked couriers to an elaborate bin Laden compound

He died in firefight along with his son, two couriers, US officials say; Pakistan was not told in advance

[rhytha]

If the paki's where altered, Osama would be alive and sipping juice in Karachi. <img src='http://www.india-forum.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />

[Naresh]

[quote name='Mudy' date='02 May 2011 - 10:45 AM' timestamp='1304312839' post='111478']

20-25 US Navy Seal operation. Osama was shot in the head! His body is prepared per Islamic tradition!

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Mudy Ji :



Is it the real McCoy or is it a dead body with a "Phace Mask"?



I think Obama wants to get out "Quick" as well as win the 2012 re-election.



Cheers

[Guest]

As a local radio host commented this morning about Pakistan: “You mean you believed the hooker when she said she loved you?”

<img src='http://www.india-forum.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' /> <img src='http://www.india-forum.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />

[Guest]

I think Obama wants to get out "Quick" as well as win the 2012 re-election.

He will try to come out quick but people will vote seeing their pockets, gas price and jobs.

Here gas price is $4.35/gallon. Not a happy time. Don't bet on Osama death for re-election, oil price and jobs can do wonder. In California, some cities unemployment is over 24% and 53% homes in US are under water. Not a recipe for re-election.

[Guest]

[url="http://ibnlive.in.com/news/us-strike-violates-pak-sovereignty-musharraf/151009-56.html"]US strike violates Pak sovereignty: Musharraf[/url]

"America coming to our territory and taking action is a violation of our sovereignty. Handling and execution of the operation (by US forces) is not correct. The Pakistani government should have been kept in the loop," Musharraf told CNN-IBN in an exclusive interview.

"Foreign troops crossing the border into Pakistan will not be liked by the people of Pakistan. US forces should not have crossed over into Pakistan," he said.

[HareKrishna]

Meanwhile, Afghan President Hamid Karzai, who has long argued against speculation that his government has been negligent in pursuing bin Laden within his country's borders, publicly stressed his administration should be vindicated.

"They didn't find Osama in Parwan, Bamiyan, Kabul, Ghor, Paktia [all in Afghanistan] ... they found him in Abbottabad, [Pakistan]," Karzai said. "Our call is proven right: that we are victim of this war, that the fight is not in our homes."

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/osama-bin...d=13507918

[Guest]

Ahem, never would have happened under the regime of old [url="http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2011_05/029220.php"]McNuts[/url]:

"Larry, I'm not going to go there and here's why: because Pakistan is a sovereign nation."

Entire team and leadership deserves credit. MMS should show spine and avenge 11/26 (one can wish can't he?)

[Naresh]

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Mudy Ji & Viren Ji :



It has been mentioned that there were no Telephonic or Internet connections to Osam's Redoubt.



Inthe Image of the "Redoubt" one can notice what seems to be a Satellite Dish which would most probably be for "Communication" :











As such the Pakistani Army, ISI along with the "Dish" Providers were well aware that Osama was a resident of the "Redoubt".



Any thoughts?



Cheers

[ramana]

You are right. The sat dish was for Bollywood movies!

[Arun_S]

Google Map location of the hide out is this:

34°10'9.53"N

73°14'33.99"E

[HareKrishna]

WASHINGTON -- Officials say CIA interrogators in secret overseas prisons developed the first strands of information that ultimately led to the killing of Usama bin Laden.

Current and former U.S. officials say that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the mastermind of the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, provided the nom de guerre of one of bin Laden's most trusted aides. The CIA got similar information from Mohammed's successor, Abu Faraj al-Libi. Both were subjected to harsh interrogation tactics inside CIA prisons in Poland and Romania.

The news is sure to reignite debate over whether the now-closed interrogation and detention program was successful. Former president George W. Bush authorized the CIA to use the harshest interrogation tactics in U.S. history. President Barack Obama closed the prison system



http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/05/...z1LE7Omq25

[Guest]

Viren,

here are Obama's statements during election



Obama said, "I'm not gonna make him a martyr," as a candidate for presidency in 2008. Obama said, "I'm not gonna make him a martyr. I would not kill him. I would capture him."

<img src='http://www.india-forum.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />



Now he had given this man Islamic last rites. Continuation of appeasement policy.

[Guest]

Osama's last home

http://desmond.yfrog.com/Himg619/scaled....&ysize=640

[Guest]

[url="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1382859/Osama-bin-Laden-dead-Obama-watched-Al-Qaeda-leader-die-live-video-White-House.html"]Obama watched Bin Laden die on live video as shoot-out beamed to White House [/url]



Good pictures

[Arun_S]

[url="http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2011/05/02/press-briefing-senior-administration-officials-kiling-osama-bin-laden"]http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2011/05/02/press-briefing-senior-administration-officials-kiling-osama-bin-laden[/url]

[Arun_S]

Daal main kuch kala.

1. The mansion has 2 security gates.
2. OBL is generally guarded by members of his loyal battalion (Turkmenistanis)
3. How come when the attack came only one person was guarding the mansion? Ostensibly the one male killed in addition to Bin Laden and his son for a total of 5?
4. Were his TSP Army guards withdrawn just before attack? in which case it is TSPArmy Gen. Kiyani who was forced to cough up and yield OBL to the US to shoot in the proverbial bullet to his head.

[Arun_S]

[url="http://www.asianage.com/columnists/can-india-say-%E2%80%98don%E2%80%99t-mess-us%E2%80%99-577"]Can India say ‘Don’t mess with us’?[/url]

Created 3 May 2011 - 00:00

[url="http://www.asianage.com/bharat-karnad-067"]Bharat Karnad[/url]



The significant thing about the successful effort to locate and kill Osama bin Laden, the global symbol of Islamic extremism and head of the Al Qaeda terrorist organisation, is its doggedness. Stretching out over three administrations and some 10 years, this hunting down of Osama suggests the resolute will of the US government to mete out condign punishment to the chief ideologue and planner of the 9/11 terrorist spectacular — two hijacked American passenger aircraft slamming into the twin trade towers in New York. The subsequent US military intervention in Afghanistan dislodged the Al Qaeda-friendly Taliban regime in Kabul but, through acts of omission, failed to take out Osama in the campaign in the Tora Bora mountains. The important thing to note is that Osama ultimately paid with his life for his terrorist excesses and the message it has telegraphed to jihadis everywhere is the same as that sent out by Israeli special forces actions in assassinating Hezbollah leaders, namely: Don’t mess with us.



The Indian government will be pleased that its own intelligence, communicated to the US agencies through the intelligence-sharing mechanisms in place, that the Pakistan Army and its Directorate for Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) were directly involved in protecting Osama and his cohort, and further that the ISI perceived the Al Qaeda leaders as [color="#0000ff"]providing Pakistan a cashable policy[/color] leverage against Washington, was on the mark. But that was unlikely to have been a great revelation to the US’ Central Intelligence Agency (CIA). But, there is no reason for Delhi to gloat because it would be silly to assume Washington knew nothing about any of this, or that the ISI had no hand in harbouring Bin Laden. The latter story of ISI being as unaware of Osama in the cantonment town of Abbottabad as the US but intent on helping American special forces to carry out the operation, is too pat and won’t wash, considering Osama was housed in some luxury, surrounded by 16-foot high walls and protected 24/7 by ISI minders, in close proximity to premier Pakistan Army installations, among them, the Pakistan Military Academy and the Pakistan Army Training Centre!



In this situation, it will be foolish indeed for the Manmohan Singh regime to expect that a more enthused Washington will do what Delhi has wanted it to do all along but so far has resisted doing: Pressure the Pakistan Army and the ISI into closing down their terrorist-support structures, and handing over to India the likes of Mahmood Azhar of the Jaish-e-Mohammad and Lashkar-e-Tayyaba’s (LeT) Hafiz Saeed implicated in the 26/11 terrorist attacks in Mumbai. The Obama administration has already weakened the Pakistan Army [color="#0000ff"]by making it complicit[/color] in the covert anti-Osama operation and, thereby, cleverly closing the option of the ISI publicly disavowing any role in, first, keeping Osama safe, and then, under pressure, standing aside as he was killed. [color="#0000ff"]But it is not going to imperil its own position, interests and the leverage it has gained, nor further alienate Pakistani Army and state by demanding Islamabad help India out on the terrorism front.[/color]



In other words, India will have to do the hard anti-terrorist work by itself. The trouble is: Does the Congress Party coalition government, encouraged by the successful action to finish off Osama, have the guts, gumption, but mostly the will, to rethink its “kya phark painda hai” (who cares, what difference will it make) attitude, when it comes to doing what any self-respecting country would do when under terrorist threat — bump off those responsible in a major way for terrorist strikes within India? It is the sort of targeted intelligence operations I have been advocating for over a decade now as the only response rather than uselessly mobilising the field Army for war and getting everybody’s dander up (as happened with the 2002 Operation Parakram). Surely, Muridke, headquarters of LeT, is not all that inaccessible.



The far greater covert operations challenge is posed by the absconding Mumbai gangster Dawood Ibrahim and his so-called D-Company, under ISI protection and ensconced in a posh bungalow in the tony Clifton area of Karachi, virtually thumbing his nose at India. Almost all the underworld activity on the western seaboard — from smuggling arms and RDX, running extortion and hawala rackets, black money laundering, loan-sharking, to facilitating LeT actions, such as the ones in Mumbai, is attributed to this man’s network. Instead of setting a priority agenda of having a sustained coordinated intelligence operation, powered by the absolute determination to go it alone if need be, Delhi habitually pleads with Washington to do something. “Soft” help can be solicited from Israel’s Mossad, the Central Intelligence Agency, and whoever else may be willing, but Delhi cannot bank on any assistance. No other country is going to do the heavy lifting for India.



True, the “Gujral Doctrine” of the mid-1990s, requiring the Research and Analysis Wing (RAW) to cease and desist from all involvement inside Pakistan, especially in the then ongoing “civil war” in Karachi, defanged RAW. Two generations worth of carefully cultivated intelligence assets were lost.[color="#0000ff"] But the shared South Asian social fabric is such, humint (human intelligence) assets can be procured. This won’t be easy, because it involves winning back the trust of potential local collaborators. But it can be done. Together with the country’s elint (electronic intelligence) capabilities, repeated missions can be mounted to remove Dawood Ibrahim and company permanently from the scene. And India need never own up publicly to any such action[/color] (unlike what Mr Obama has done vis a vis Bin Laden). Imagine, however, the message it will send out to the aspiring Dawoods of the Indian underworld: You can hide for a time, you can run for a while, but finally we’ll get you, you will pay! Or, to the Hafiz Saeeds of the jihadi fraternity: Send your boys across the border at your personal peril!



But instilling such dread in terrorists and other Pakistan-based no-gooders seems beyond the ken of the Indian government in general and, in particular, Dr Singh — a Prime Minister trapped between doing little and doing nothing on almost every issue.



bharat karnad is professor at the Centre for Policy Research, New Delhi