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Waqf Board And Larger Agenda
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03-16-2005, 11:30 PM
This might be an attempt to influence the Ayodhya issue ???
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Taj controversy: BJP locks horn over monument Pioneer News Service/ Lucknow The state government and Bhartiya Janata Party (BJP) have locked horns over Taj Mahal. While the Uttar Pradesh Sunni Waqf Board has reiterated its stand on the ownership of Taj Mahal, senior BJP leader Lalji Tandon has said that Waqf Board cannot even pay salaries to its employees and how can it take care of such a monuments which has international repute. The state minister Azam Khan has already said that Taj Mahal is a grave and as per Muslim law grave yard is the property of Waqf. He said that Taj should be handed over to the UP Sunni Waqf Board as it is a grave yard. `Taj is a Kabristan and therefore it should come under the control of Waqf Board', said he. According to a member of the UP Sunni Waqf Board a notice has been sent to the Union Government as well as Archeological Survey of India (ASI) giving time till April 19 asking it to start the process of handing over the Taj Mahal to the board. The board has said that state government has supported its move and very soon a broader consensus will be made in this regard. Mr Tandon has said that Archeological Survey of India (ASI) has all the infrastructures to take care of such monuments and hence Taj is safe in its hands. Commenting on UP Sunni Waqf Board demand of handing it over Taj Mahal, Mr Tandon said that this board cannot even wash the historical monuments. It may be mentioned that Sunni Waqf Board in Up has been facing acute financial crunch and its employees are not being paid salaries regularly. According to the board members, those advocating for ASI's claim on Taj Mahal must remember that dozens of buildings maintained by this body is under the possession of board. `Let ASI maintain and look after the Taj Mahal but the control should be that of the Sunni Waqf Board', said a member.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
03-17-2005, 12:18 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Let ASI maintain and look after the Taj Mahal but the control should be that of the Sunni Waqf Board', said a member.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Talk about having your cake and eating it too and I'm sure he'll curse the baker for putting on weight. If it's a karabrastan, why are people having namaz there? <!--emo&:o--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ohmy.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='ohmy.gif' /><!--endemo--> BTW people, what exactly is "Sunni Waqf Board" and from where do they derive such power to lay claims on national monuments? Which other monuments are they controlling? It's time to re-evaluate all the outdated arcane laws and bring all national monuments and structures under the administration of GoI.
03-17-2005, 12:38 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Talk about having your cake and eating it too and I'm sure he'll curse the baker for putting on weight.
<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--> Nah, catch here- Waqf will keep enterance ticket money but ASI will maintain Taj using Tax money. Shahbuddin, congress, Mullah Yadhav are behind. <!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->If it's a karabrastan, why are people having namaz there?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--> Kabar is in center, white marble structure and mosques (Red stone ) are on both side, outside tomb. So called real kabar is in basement quater. Replica is on ground floor level.
03-17-2005, 03:26 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Viren+Mar 17 2005, 12:18 AM-->QUOTE(Viren @ Mar 17 2005, 12:18 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->
If it's a karabrastan, why are people having namaz there? <!--emo&:o--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ohmy.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='ohmy.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--> Emblems of power were an everyday Mughal obsession. What could not be stated openly, was left to the metaphor of stone as a constant reminer. Theambiguity between Divine throne and royal throne (an unbridled vanity) transformed tombs and monuments into symbols of glory during imperialism and called for the laying out of gardens, replicas of the Qurâanic paradise. Hence it is a "religious" (imperial for some others) symbol.
03-17-2005, 04:00 AM
Has Waqf Board raised this Taj issue in past? Or they pushing it because of the so called 'seculars' at the center who might just deliver the moon with the Taj if they only ask?
Or the 'seculars' have an agenda of keeping NDA tied down on this one issue? Any ideas on the timing pertaining to this issue?
03-17-2005, 04:48 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Has Waqf Board raised this Taj issue in past?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Lot of other groups are rasing issues from Taj to Red Fort to Mughal Garden. They are doing it because of Mullah Yadhav and "Seculars" in center. <!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->timing <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--> No medium size riots for sometimes in UP may be major reason behind this itch.
03-17-2005, 04:56 AM
If others agree we can use this thread to collect info on sunni waqf board ?
03-17-2005, 05:03 AM
<b>sunni waqf board--</b> -Actually they claim everything including India.
<b>Movement to save UP auqaf</b><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--> Direct action: Maulana Kalbe Jawwad inspecting Husainabad Trust papers. Rampant misappropriation of property and corruption in management of auqaf (Muslim trusts) properties in UP is not a new phenomenon<b>. Unscrupulous mutawallis (trustees) have been misusing the auqaf properties since long. </b> Properties worth billions of rupees have been disposed of on throw-away prices with connivance of the administration. Not only the mutawallis have been selling this precious land but even governments do not lag behind in illegally occupying auqaf properties and using it according to their own will without bothering to follow the law of the land. According to a rough estimate, there are about <b>1,28,000 Sunni and about 9,000 Shia auqaf in UP</b>. In Lucknow, the Shia auqaf properties are higher in number, their value running in billions of rupees, perhaps due to Lucknow's Shia nawabs' munificence. <b>Many government buildings, including the Raj Bhawan (it was Kothi Farhatbakhsh), are actually waqf properties. The multi-storey Jawahar Bhawan, Indira Bhawan, Akashdeep, district magistrate's residence and other buildings housing various government offices were constructed on waqf land</b>. <!--emo&  --><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo--> .................. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
03-17-2005, 05:10 AM
IIRC the Hubli incidents were also caused when this waqf board was upto its tricks. I am going to rename this thread to "Waqf Board". OK with everybody ?
03-17-2005, 05:15 AM
go ahead with " waqf board and its regular itch"
03-17-2005, 05:20 AM
Topic title changed. Please use this thread to collect info on the Waqf boards and its deeds over its existence, its history, its funding, its affiliates, its leaders etc.
03-17-2005, 06:34 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Give us Taj by April 19: Wakf Board </b>
Pioneer News Service/ Vijay Upadhyay/ Lucknow/ Agra The Mulayam Singh Government and the BJP have locked horns over the ownership of the Taj Mahal. While the Uttar Pradesh Sunni Wakf Board (UPSWB) has reiterated its stand on its ownership of Taj Mahal, senior BJP leader Lalji Tandon has said that Wakf Board cannot even pay salaries to its employees, so how can it take care of such a monument which has an international repute. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--> <!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->He said that the Taj Mahal, however beautifully it may have been constructed, is in fact a graveyard of Mughal emperor Shahjahan, his wife and other subjects as is evident from the numerous graves scattered around in the monument premises and these facts alone make the Taj Mahal a property of the "Wakf". Besides, Mr. Usman said, <b>the Emperor Shahjahan himself had written in his will that the Taj Mahal, which was the eternal resting place of his wife Mumtaz Mahal, should be handed over to the Wakf after his death and a "Mutwalli" be appointed as a caretaker of the mausoleum. </b> <!--emo& --><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo--> When asked about the action of UPSWB if the ASI decided against handing over the possession of the monument, he said that in that case, the board shall move the Supreme Court and get its possession restored as the board has managed to obtain copies of the original will of Emperor Shahjahan which is stored in the London Museum, besides some more documentation proving the Taj Mahal as a Wakf property. Notably, the <b>Taj Mahal earns more than 15 crore rupees every year </b>as ticketing income from tourists and besides historic evidence, the UPSWB claim on the monument also seems to be driven from the fact that <b>the board gets a seven percent cut on the income of every Wakf property in the state </b>and in the case of the Taj, this income could be in the tune of crores of rupees every year, which could help the cash-strapped UPSWB a great deal. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--> I told you money money, it is funny is the problem. Indian Govt without any hesitation grab any temple money and without shame support minority place of worship with temple funds. <!--emo&:thumbdown--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsdownsmileyanim.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='thumbsdownsmileyanim.gif' /><!--endemo--> For vote Mullah yadav and S Gandhi family will give Taj mahal to Wakf Board which is good, <!--emo& --><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo--> i hope Wakf should take responsibility to maintain Taj also. <!--emo&--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
03-17-2005, 06:41 AM
Where I can find actual annual budget allocation to Wakf Board ( Center and State) by State and Center Government other than Haj allocation?
03-17-2005, 07:04 AM
elementary question onlee
Is Waqf sanctioned by Quran? <!--emo&:blink:--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='blink.gif' /><!--endemo-->
03-17-2005, 07:11 AM
03-17-2005, 07:21 AM
<b>Waqf- Endowment. In Islamic law it refers to endowing a place or thing in the name of Allah</b>.
<b>Zakat and Waqf</b> -- Internal and external support These traditional concepts of social and charitable obligation offer the most readily accessible means for nonviolent movements to transparently sustain their operations.
03-17-2005, 07:33 AM
<b>Was the Taj Mahal a Vedic Temple?</b>
<i> The Photographic Evidence--</i>
03-17-2005, 07:33 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--> In the absence of actual Waqfnamahs (Waqf deeds) of Muslim period due to their disappearance or destruction a large number of Waqf properties came under legal dispute. "While we know that a number of awkaf were established for the maintenance of Taj Mahal not a single document concerning them has come of Muslim period a number of Awqaf are under legal dispute and have become a source of social tension down to us" (W. Begley and Z. Desai - The Taj Mahal, Seattle, 1989. Quote from Encyclopaedia of Islam, Lieden Brill, Vol. XI, page 95).
<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--> <!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->In a landmark judgement of 1995, the Supreme Court found nothing unconstitutional in acquisition of mosque under Land Acqusition Act, 1894 and justified the acquisition of Babri Mosque for public purpose under the Acquisition of Certain Area at Ayodhya Act, 33 of 1993. The Court held: "A mosque is not an essential part of the religion of Islam and Namaz (prayer) by Muslims can be offered anywhere even in open<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
03-17-2005, 07:38 AM
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