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I have come across multiple sources which speculate that Patalaloka in Hindu mythology has been mistranslated as being the underground, whereas the correct translation should be "the land under our feet" ie the Americas.



If this viewpoint is correct, doesn't it mean that ancient Indians were aware of the existance of Americas?

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Ok, some of the evidence for contact between India and Americas before C. Columbus "discovered" Americas.



1) Maya / Mayans, a lot of interesting parallels. Only two civilizations to use zero in their math. Maya known as master builders in India. Mayans certainly were master builders who built their monuments according to vaastu.



2) Maize, stunning depictions of maize (corn) in South Indian temples



3) Sweet potato, a vegetable from South America found in Africa and Asia before Columbus.



4) Snake worship prevelant in N. American tribes. Patalaloka was inhibited by Nagas according to vedas.



5) Ancient Chinese anchors found off the coast of Chile.

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O Vijay: I was always curious to know about the similarity if any between Latin and Sanskrit.

For example: the orange juice carton always has 'narangas' on it - kind of like the 'narangi' as we say in marathi - which could have been derived from Sanskrit itself? <img src='http://www.india-forum.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blink.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':blink:' />



Maybe some lungistic expert in the forum can help out here.

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[quote name='Sudhir' date='Nov 13 2003, 03:46 AM']O Vijay: I was always curious to know about the similarity if any between Latin and Sanskrit.

For example: the orange juice carton always has 'narangas' on it - kind of like the 'narangi' as we say in marathi - which could have been derived from Sanskrit itself?  <img src='http://www.india-forum.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blink.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':blink:' />



Maybe some lungistic expert in the forum can help out here.[/quote]

It is derived from sanskrit naarangah



According to dictionary.com



naarangah (sanskrit) --> naarang (persian) --> naranj (arabic) --> orenge (french) --> orange (english).



I am sure, this is missing a lot of details. There must be old latin and old greek translations far before the french and arabic adoptations.

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<b>The O'Odham: Native-Americans With Ancestors From India?</b>

Hindu scholars have always claimed that in remotest times, their ancestors visited every part of the globe, mapping it accurately, and mining gold and copper in such places as Michigan, Colorado, Arizona, England, Ireland, Peru, and Bolivia. Known to us as "Indo-Europeans," they lost their grip on the world in about 1500 BC., retreating to what are now Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Northern India. However, they continued to visit the Americas in their large teakwood ships, many of them 250 feet long and five- to six-masted, until about 1200 A.D. After that, the sectarian fanaticism and territorialism of their religious leaders, rebellions among their conquered subjects, constant internecine rivalries, and troubles with Moslem invaders forced them into isolation.

No Westerner naively accepts India's claims of having once dominated the world. Right? Well, some of us do.

In an essay entitled On Egypt from the Ancient Book of the Hindus (Asiatic Researchers Vol. III, 1792), British Lt. Colonel Francis Wilford gave abundant evidence proving that ancient Indians colonized and settled in Egypt. The British explorer John Hanning Speke, who in 1862 discovered the source of the Nile in Lake Victoria, acknowledged that the Egyptians themselves didn't have the slightest knowledge of where the Nile's source was. However, Lt. Colonel Wilford's description of the Hindu's intimate acquaintance with ancient Egypt led Speke to Ripon Falls, at the edge of Lake Victoria.

The Hindus also claim that the gospel of their deity Shiva was once the religion of the world and the progenitor of all religions coming after it.

"Isvar was the only god in India, the whole of Asia, the southern parts of Russia, Mediterranean countries, Egypt, Greece, the whole of Europe, the human inhabited places of both Americas…and also in England and Ireland. In all these lands, Isvar was the religion with slight variations in the pronunciation of the word Isvar….the Isvar religion is the mother of all religions in the world, including Christianity and Islam."
(Remedy the Frauds in Hinduism, by Kuttikhat Purushothama Chon; p.
36.)

While the languages our forefathers spoke thousands of years ago would be completely unrecognizable to us now, the names of their deities (those that survived to this modern age) may be immediately recognizable to their respective modern adherents, such as the Christians, Jews, Moslems, Jains, Buddhists, and Hindus. Names of deities tend not to change. Isvar was and is especially visible (to discerning eyes) in our own Southwest as well as in Northern and Central Mexico. Some tribes even worshiped God Shiva's wives and consorts. Spanish priest, Andres Perez de Ribas wrote in his book, My Life Among the Savage Nations of New Spain, that a Northern Mexican tribe worshiped two deities: Viriseva and a mother goddess named Vairubai. Viriseva means "Lord Siva" in Sanskrit. Vairubai has to be (a mispronouncing of) Bhairava, another name of Siva's consort, Goddess Durga.

A few Hindu scholars insist that not all their gods and religious traditions are natives of the Indian subcontinent. When the ancient Nagas retreated to India, they also took back the deities and religious traditions they had acquired abroad, incorporating them into "Hinduism," a term meaning "The Indus Valley Way of Life."

Historian Chon states:

"There are strong indications in our ancient texts that the places and events described in them are lying outside the geographical limits of India But when we talk of geographical limits, …are they the national boundaries of post-independent India? Or are they the boundaries of India, the ancient?"
(Remedy the Frauds in Hinduism; p.30.)
I'm especially impressed with the traditions of the Pimas (Akimel O'Odham) and Papagos (Tohono O'Odham) of Southern Arizona and Northern Mexico. Although I could write a lengthy article about Isvarist (worship of the Hindu deity, Shiva) practices in practically every Southwestern United States, Mexican, Central and South American Indian tribe, even India-Indian spiritual geography is reproduced abundantly in the O'Odham nation. Though the pre-conquest era O'odhams were relatively primitive, the Spaniards admired them for their intelligence, industry, and high philosophy. Some Catholic missionary priests thought they were the progenitors of the Aztecs.

About 5,000 BC or earlier, a brilliant deified Phoenician Naga king and philosopher named Kuvera (also Kubera) learned how to smelt copper, gold, and other metals. These activities took place in the kingdom named after him, Khyber ("Kheeveri"), which consisted of a group of craggy mountains in what are now Southeastern Afghanistan and Northeastern Pakistan (i.e. the Khyber Pass). According to Hindu mythology, Kuvera and God Shiva lived in the totally barren, mineral- poor, goldless, frigid, lofty, bell-shaped or pyramidical peak of Kailasa in Western Tibet.

Edward Pococke stated in his book India in Greece,

The Khyber; its region is wealthy and abounds with rubies; gold is found in the mines in its vicinity, and it (the Kheeveri kingdom) was likewise the ruling power in those early days. (p.220.) We derived our word "copper" from Kuvera's name. Eventually, the Nagas extended their influence over all of India. If you've intuited that Afghan Khyber (Kheever), Hebrew Heber (pronounced Kheever), Egyptian Khepri, Greek Khyphera, Cabeiri, Cypriotic Cip'ri (Kheep'ri), biblical Capernaum, Arabic Khabar, O'Odham Babo-Quivari (Kheeveri), Francisco de Coronado's search for the fabled Quivira (Kheevira), ad infinitum, are somehow linked, you've intuited
correctly.
But why do the Hindus and Buddhists worship Kuvera and Shiva in a barren peak and not in the Khyber mountain range itself? I don't want to get "mystical," but the "reason" for this anomaly is the world's best-kept millennium's-old secret. Besides, it's not the focus of this article.


Kuh or Koh = "Hump; Mountain"
while Vera or Vira = "Hero; Lord."
The Nagas, also called Nakas and Nahu(a)s, were a highly civilized ruling, maritime and mercantile class who once inhabited what is now Afghanistan, Tibet, Pakistan, and Northwestern India. The Nag ("Self- Consuming Serpent") was one of their principal tribal emblems. The substance of Kuvera's teachings is that God, then called Dyau, Deo, Dyaus or Jyaus, put all the plants, animals, ores, and minerals on earth for Man's enjoyment. As long as Man protects the happiness and security of all humanity, he need not place any limits on his greed. Kuvera's teachings spread throughout the whole world.


"Originally, the Asuras or Nagas were not only a civilized people, but a maritime power, and in the Mahabharata, where the ocean is described as their habitation, an ancient legend is preserved of how Kadru, the mother of serpents, compelled Garuda (the Eagle or Hawk) to serve her sons by transporting them across the sea to a beautiful country in a distant land, which was inhabited by Nagas, The Asuras (Nagas) were expert navigators, possessed of very considerable naval resources, and had founded colonies upon distant coasts." (The Encircled Serpent, by M. Oldfield, p. 47.)
"Asura" is the Indian equivalent of Assyria (really Asuriya and Asir) and the Persian Ahura of Zoroastrianism. It derives from the name of the ancient Hindu sun god Ashur. The Naga capital was called Oudh, Iodh, Yudh, and Ayodhya. Located near what is now Herat, Afghanistan, it is not to be confused with todays Oudh or Ayodhya in the Indian state of Uttar Pradesh. The citizens of Oudh were called Oudh-am and Otia-Am. Am = "People" in Sanskrit. In those days, only a few million people inhabited the earth. Most humans were cavemen and less. The Nagas didn't entrust their highly developed technologies to such aborigines. But they did teach them how to build simple thatch and adobe homes, and to raise vegetable and animal foods. They also taught them about the Creator of All Life, Dyaus or Jyaus. Even today the O'Odhams call it Jeoss or Josh. Joshi is one of God Shiva's many names. Some White Arizonians mistakenly insist that the O'Odhams derived this term from Dios (Spanish for "God"), Jesus, or Joshua.

The innocent Arizona aborigines believed these Nagas from Oudh, Afghanistan (part of India until the late 1700s) were gods. They even named themselves Oudham, which they pronounced as O'Odham or O'Ot'ham. An ancient Sanskrit word for "brotherhood; fraternity" is Ton; Tahun. The Papagos called themselves Tohono O'Odham, or "Oudh- am Fraternity." Tohono now means "Desert" in the O'Odham language. The Pimas settled along winding rivers, which seemed to look like writhing serpents. They named themselves Akimel O'Odham. "Akimel" derives from the Sanskrit Ahi-Mahal (Great Serpent). This name eventually came to mean "River."

The Nagas dug deep wells in the desert, siphoning water out of the ground with long, thick tubes. The exterior ends of these tubes were large and bulbous, and painted to look like human heads, in order to mystify the aborigines. The water spouted out from what looked like round, puckered human mouths. The heads had horns which were really handles for pulling tubes to different irrigation channels. As the flowing water caused these tubes to writhe and undulate like serpents, the primitive Arizonians thought they were real. In Kashmiri, Nag means "a snake, esp. a fabulous serpent-demon or semi- divine being, having the face of a man and the tail of a serpent, and said to inhabit Patala. In Kashmir, they are the deities of springs." (Grierson's Dictionary of the Kashmiri Language; p. 624, item 2.) The Kashmirians also called these siphons Nag-Beg (Snake- Lords). Patala was one of the ancient Indian names for "America." It's real meaning is "Underworld," but not an underground world. They used it as we often call Australia: "The Land Down Under."

The Arizonian O'Odhams similarly called the water siphon Nah-Big.
According to both Kashmiri and O'Odham legends, the Nah-Big was
harmless. However, if someone "killed" it, the spring dried up - and
for good reason. Without a proper siphon, needed water could no
longer spew out of the well. Several Southwestern Indian tribes
worship exact replicas of the Kashmiri Nag-Beg (siphon) in special
religious ceremonies. However, some of them call it by other names.
Certain O'Odham and other Native-American clans in the Southern
Arizona and Northern Sonora area also call this mythical serpent
Corua (KoROOah, with the "R" trilled as in our English "City"). It
derives from Sanskrit: Krura-Sarpavat (Violent-Serpent); Kadruja
(Serpent Mother Kadru's equally serpent son).

Another O'Odham word for "snake," Vah-Mat, is nearly identical to
the Kashmiri/Sanskrit Veh-Mar: "Poisonous-Snake." The O'Odham
language contains an unusually high number of North Indian words.

When the Nagas arrived in Arizona, they found a huge stone peak in
the desert, resembling Kuvera and Shiva's (I-Itsoi's) Kailasa in
nearly every way except one. The Indian Kailasa, also in a desert,
is nearly four times higher above sea level than the O'Odhams' holy
peak. To honor their spritual progenitor, the Nagas named this
Arizona peak Babu-Kheever ("Grandfather" or "Illustrious Indian
Immigrant" Kuvera), adhering closely to the exact pronunciation of
the mineral-rich Kheever (Khyber) mountain range of Afghanistan.

Baboquivari (Babo-kheeveri) has retained almost the same name after
more than six millenniums. The O'odhams also call it Waw-Kiwulk,
which sounds like "Vahv-Kivur'." Just as the Hindus, Jains and
Buddhists call Kailasa the navel of the world, so do the O'odhams
give Baboquivari the same distinction.

Babo-Kheeveri and the Afghan Kheeveri mountains were supposedly
filled with unlimited gold, copper, and precious stones. Even today,
much of the gold mined in that part of Arizona keeps leaking
endlessly out of the Babo-Kheeveri (Baboquivari) mountain range.

Jutting upward at more than 7,750 feet above sea level, Baboquivari
can be seen on a clear day from as far away as 80 miles, even from
the Mexican side of the border. Few natural wonders equal the
majesty and beauty of this spectacular peak. In my opinion, it is
a "must-see" for any lover of Nature's wonders. You will notice that
the mountain enjoys the close association of lesser peaks, forming a
large trident.

Being such a prominent landmark, Baboquivari keeps incoming
undocumented Mexican aliens and drug smugglers from getting lost.
That part of the desert also abounds in water-filled cacti to slake
their thirst, including edible fauna and flora. Evidently, the INS
knows about Baboquivari. On the day my wife and I visited the peak,
we saw several of their vans in the area, waiting to pick up
uninvited guests and transport them back to the border - or to
prison.

When I told the O'Odhams that I had learned about the unlimited
quantities of gold within Baboquivari from Hindu books written
millenniums ago, one woman moaned hopelessly, "Now that this news is
out, the White man will even rob us of our God." She wasn't too far
afield. The government has always wanted to probe the interior of
Baboquivari.


A Possible Historical Scenario
About 3,000 BC, a saintly Indian prince and high priest of the
Kheeveri empire left Afghanistan for Arizona, to manage the mining
operations at Baboquivari and govern the O'Odhams. In India, he is
variously called Shiva, Siva, Shaveh, Suva, Su, Ish, Esh, Yesh, Isa,
Itsa, Ishvara, Yishvara, Yeshva, Moshe, Mahesh, Mahisa, etc. The
suffixes Va and Veh refer to someone who is vengeful and short of
temper. Vara = "Blessings of." The prefixes Mo, Mu. and Mah
means "Great." Ish, Esh, Yesh, Isa, etc., = "Material Universe" in
both Sanskrit and Hebrew cabalism. From these Sanskrit elements we
derived our term "Messiah," which in Sanskrit is Masiha, and
Massee'akh in Hebrew. These terms were honorific titles of the
highest ecclesiastical and leadership castes of that period in
history. These supreme "Sivas," whether good, bad, or indifferent,
were also regarded as earthly gods.

We may never know what this "Shiva's" real name was. The Pimas call
him Se-eh-ha; Siwa; Su-u (Elder Brother). The Papagos worship him as
I'Itoi or I'Itsoi, which linguistically is nearly identical to "Isa."

Not yet united by a centralized government, the ancient Hindus
weren't conscious of themselves as Indians - just as similar peoples
separated by different tribes and kingdoms. All of them competed by
fair and foul means for the resources of the world. Internecine
rivalries tore them apart constantly.

During Shiva's Arizona reign, a powerful Indian emperor, Priyavarta,
sent his armies to all the countries of the world, to unite all
Indians and their colonial possessions as one nation. He appointed
his sons as viceroys. One son, Sevana or Sewana, was sent to conquer
and govern North America. Notice that he, too, was a "Siva." O'odham
legends mention this Sewana whom they call Siwana. When I'Itoi or Se-
eh-ha wouldn't submit to Priyavarta, he and Siwana met on the battle
field. Ultimately, I'Itoi prevailed; Siwana was killed.

According to some Indian historians, later on, back in Southeast
Asia, the volcano Krakatoa exploded violently, creating the China
Sea. Our globe became extremely unsteady on its axis, causing rains,
earthquakes, and floods to occur all over the world. The coastlands
of Western India submerged by more than fifty feet and as many miles
inland in some places. Even as you read this article, Indian
archeologists are uncovering fabulous ruins lying just off the
mainland, under the Arabian sea.

Dwarka, Indian deity Lord Krishna's capital city, is the focal point of these underwater digs. Dwarka may prove to be the greatest archeological dig in human history.

These floods forced millions of Indian refugees to flee to other parts of the world. When the Arizona desert flooded, the Pimas and Papagos took refuge on Baboquivari where I'Itoi or Se-eh-ha (Siva) helped them survive. After the waters had subsided, he helped the O'Odham re-establish themselves. Therefore, no matter to what religion they are converted, the O'Odham are always going to revere and respect I'Itoi.

Nearly all of today's O'Odham are Catholics. However, the Franciscan fathers tending to their spiritual needs allow them to set up the Swastika, I'Itoi or Isa's standard, on the altars of the Catholic churches there, even on the altar of San Xavier Mission church near Tucson. There are other Shaivite reminders among the O'odhams. O'Odham Catholic churches usually face east as the Shaivite temples do in India. And, like the Hindus, they bury their dead in an east-west direction. They also revere the Shiva-Linga or Pillar of Energy, usually erected in front of and some distance away from their churches, placed on a tiered pyramid or pyramidical mound, exactly as in India. However, nowadays the Shivling is a Christian cross. In the book he wrote in 1644, Father Ribas acknowledged that the Northern Mexican Indians worshiped Shivlings.

"One of the padres, traveling along a trail near Guasave, observed
an Indian suddenly depart into the woods. In curiosity they followed
this Indian, presently coming upon him in the act of making
reverence before a stone. This stone was about a vara (33 inches) in
height, shaped in the form of a pyramid, and had some crude
inscriptions carved upon it.

San Xavier Mission Church near Tuscon, Arizona. "The Padre ordered this false idol destroyed. The Indian, horrified at the thought, declared that he dare not destroy it, for fear of death." (My Life Among the Savage Nations of New Spain; p. 34.)

During my visit at San Xavier mission, I also saw representations of
the undulating serpent Nah-Big on the exterior of the church of San
Xavier. And get this: The O'Odhams call their way of life Himday or
Himdag! Hindi?
I was especially intrigued by the Pima name for "Medicine-Man:"
Javet-Makai. Dyaus-Pitar or Jyapeti (Japhet) is really another title
of Shiva. Makai may be derived from Maga (Priest-Magician). Javet-
Makai = Jyapeti Maga?

DNA analysis may prove that today's O'Odhams are genetically related
to the India-Indians. Arjuna, Krishna's companion in the Mahabharata
Wars (fought on Northern India's Kuruksetra plains in about 3000
BC), was married to a Patalan (American) princess. Military forces
from Patala, possibly even some O'Odham among them, fought in those
famous wars.

How did I'Itoi's deification get exported to India? Because Isvar
was once the religion of all mankind, It could have been a partial
contributor to all worldwide myths about Siva, eventually becoming
consolidated in the Indian subcontinent. I'Itoi earned "godhood" on
his own merits. Also, as a Hindu supreme leader, he was deified
anyway. After all, the O'Odham and the Hindus do share the same
India-originated "Way of Life."

Hindu immigrants to this country often tell me that they see the
Southwestern Native-Americans as long-lost brothers. They say that
many Native-Americans tell them the same thing. If we use Sanskrit
language resources, Hindu mythology, Shaivite practices and mutually
identical holy names as measuring sticks, the kinship between Native-
Americans and South Asians becomes easily verifiable, no matter what
the "experts" say. Could there be a special political reason
why "The Great White Father" doesn't want certain Native-Americans
to know they're Himday?

Some tribes, such as the Huicholes in Central Mexico, even remember
from what Indian seaport they left for America - Aramra in Gujarat.
The Huicholes revere a part of the beach at the old Mexican seaport
of San Blas, Nayarit, as Aramara, "Place of Origin of the
Huicholes." Millenniums ago, Gujarat was called Jukhar. Juj-Kha is
an O'Odham name for "Mexicans." The Navajos call them Nakaii
(Nagas). The Apaches claim to be Inde (Indus People.) They worship
Shiva as Yusn. In Sanskrit, Yishan = "Shiva." Apache = "Enemy" in
O'Odham. In Sanskrit, Apachnan = "Destroyer." Another name of the
Zunis ("Zoonyees") is Ashiwi (Azhuva?, "Way of the Serpent," in
Sanskrit). Two of their principal deities are Shivani and
Shiwanikoya. Zoonya (Zuni?) and Zeenya ware epithets of ancient
Kashmir. According to Indian historian K. P. Chon, the Naga Azhuvas,
perhaps the forefathers of the Zunis, were India's oldest ruling
dynasty. He said that they ruled for more than a thousand years.

"The descendants of this dynasty are still to be found in the
southernmost part of India in Kerala. They are even now called
Azhuva or Ezhava. The emperor Azi Dahaka, -- with two snakes around
his neck -- was a devotee of Isvara."
(Remedy the Frauds in Hinduism; p. 22.)

The Ezhavas' ships were said to have sailed all over the world.

The Hopis worship Siva under several of his names, one of which is
Massawa (Maheswa?). The Hopis are ophiolators (snake worshippers).
Thousands of years ago, a famous Naga cult called Hophiz lived near
Kabul, Afghanistan. Orginally, this nation was named Oph (Serpent) +
Gana (Group; Family) + Stan (Nation). "Afghanistan" evolved
from "Oph-gana-stan." The Afghan Hophiz snake cult spread to Greece,
becoming Ophis. The Ophis cult was popular in the ancient world,
even among the Christian gnostics. Needless to say, it also found
its way to the American Southwest. We may never know the
exact "hows."

The name of the ancient Hopi village of Oraibi causes me to wonder
whether the Hopi nation was a famous stronghold of Saivism, known
even in India. This unusual word lacks only the "Bh" in Bhairavi,
epithet of Goddess Durga. However, Grierson's Dictionary of the
Kashmiri Language mentions another meaning of the term, which may
explain exactly how and why Oraibi got its name: "Name of a certain
class of lower deities who form Siva's host..." One of these is
after the local godling of some locality or tract of country.
Special localities protected by him are looked upon as sacred" (p.
129; item 44.) Was Southwestern United States an important Shaivite
holy center in earliest times?

Other ancient Naga sea-faring miners, traders, conquerors and
colonizers who left their bloodlines and names all over the Americas
and the rest of the world were the Ute, Yuti, Yutiya, or Juti
(Jutes). The Northern Mexican Indians called the invading
Spaniards, "People-Who-Came-Before:" Yutiya ("Judeeya"); Yuti; Juti
("Jodee" or "Judee)." In Spanish, the word is usually spelled as
Yori; Yuri. "R" is trilled as in "City." "Y" often approximates
our "J." Because of the Spanish spelling, we can't see that this
word is really the English "Jute.". Why did these Indians believe
the Spaniards were Jutes? Juti now means "non-Indian Mexicans and
Gringos." In Sanskrit, Juddhi; Yuddhi = "Conquerors." Our history
books tell us that the "Jutes" were "Northern German or Danish
tribes."

http://www.viewzone.com/baboquivari.html

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<!--QuoteBegin-O Vijay+Nov 13 2003, 02:50 AM-->QUOTE(O Vijay @ Nov 13 2003, 02:50 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin--> I have come across multiple sources which speculate that Patalaloka in Hindu mythology has been mistranslated as being the underground, whereas the correct translation should be "the land under our feet" ie the Americas.

If this viewpoint is correct, doesn't it mean that ancient Indians were aware of the existance of Americas? <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->



yes, indians do know about americans before it's discovery by columbus and also of africa.

The evidence is for this was found out by a group of archealogists of us and according to them a red indian was craved on the alaya gopuram of srisailam and also an animal which looks like zebra but is smaller in size ,was found in africa and got extinct in late 14th century .this gopuram of srisailam was completed in 1404 a.d. 86 years before the discovery of americas by columbas

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<!--QuoteBegin-kirankumarnookala+May 14 2004, 12:30 PM-->QUOTE(kirankumarnookala @ May 14 2004, 12:30 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-O Vijay+Nov 13 2003, 02:50 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(O Vijay @ Nov 13 2003, 02:50 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin--> I have come across multiple sources which speculate that Patalaloka in Hindu mythology has been mistranslated as being the underground, whereas the correct translation should be "the land under our feet" ie the Americas.

If this viewpoint is correct, doesn't it mean that ancient Indians were aware of the existance of Americas? <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->



yes, indians do know about americans before it's discovery by columbus and also of africa.

The evidence is for this was found out by a group of archealogists of us and according to them a red indian was craved on the alaya gopuram of srisailam and also an animal which looks like zebra but is smaller in size ,was found in africa and got extinct in late 14th century .this gopuram of srisailam was completed in 1404 a.d. 86 years before the discovery of americas by columbas



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Kiran,

Could you please post some web links that support what you are posting. I am interested in reading more about this.

Thanks in Advance

Krishna

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<!--QuoteBegin-Mudy+Mar 21 2004, 09:44 PM-->QUOTE(Mudy @ Mar 21 2004, 09:44 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin--> k.ram- post

<b>The O'Odham: Native-Americans With Ancestors From India?</b>


http://www.viewzone.com/baboquivari.html <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

sir,
your detailed report is excellent request u to contribute more on the issue.

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<!--QuoteBegin-krishna_kss+May 15 2004, 08:37 PM-->QUOTE(krishna_kss @ May 15 2004, 08:37 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-kirankumarnookala+May 14 2004, 12:30 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(kirankumarnookala @ May 14 2004, 12:30 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-O Vijay+Nov 13 2003, 02:50 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(O Vijay @ Nov 13 2003, 02:50 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin--> I have come across multiple sources which speculate that Patalaloka in Hindu mythology has been mistranslated as being the underground, whereas the correct translation should be "the land under our feet" ie the Americas.

If this viewpoint is correct, doesn't it mean that ancient Indians were aware of the existance of Americas? <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->



yes, indians do know about americans before it's discovery by columbus and also of africa.

The evidence is for this was found out by a group of archealogists of us and according to them a red indian was craved on the alaya gopuram of srisailam and also an animal which looks like zebra but is smaller in size ,was found in africa and got extinct in late 14th century .this gopuram of srisailam was completed in 1404 a.d. 86 years before the discovery of americas by columbas



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Kiran,

Could you please post some web links that support what you are posting. I am interested in reading more about this.

Thanks in Advance

Krishna <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I 'd love to give the weblinks if i had i was given this information by a philathroist while showing two stamps by us postal dept on redindians and the zebra like animalin one of the telugu mahasabhas and i am trying to locate his address hopefully i can give this very soon

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<b>Cherokees and Indian connection</b>
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For now, I am going to deal only with the Muskokis (Creeks), Seminoles, Yamasees, and Apalachees in this letter. Nearly all the tribes and many place names in Southeastern United States have Hindu names.

The YAMASEES: Yama was a name of the Asvin Brothers or the Eastern Hebrews (Panis and Yuddhis). "Hebrew" derives from "Khyber" or "Kubera", an ancient Yadava group who left the Khyber Mountains and migrated to what are now Rajasthan and Gujarat. Later, they mastered the art of shipbuilding and sailing, becoming the founders of all world civilizations. The Hindus say that all this happened about 30,000 years ago. Pani = "International Trader." Yuddhi = "Conqueror; Warrior". Many millenniums afterwards, the ancient partnership disintegrated. We know them now as the Phoenicians and the Jews. Yamasee derives from the Sanskrit Yameza, meaning "Having Yama as ruler." Yama was the ancient Hindu God of Death, but he was also the Regent of the South. For this reason, we know that your Yamasee ancestors were from Southwestern India or Sri Lanka. They spoke a Dravidian dialect.

The APALACHEES. They derived their name from Palaza, a name of ancient Maghada, a powerful Yadava kingdom in what is now today's state of Bihar. When the Palazis came to America, they came with the intention of staying. Therefore, they became the Apalizis (Ex-Palazis). Without a doubt, these "Apalazis" were the founders of the mound-building cultures, for in other parts of the world they built the Egyptian pyramids, became the founding fathers of Greek civilization, and the like.

The 17th century scholar, Edward Pococke, wrote in his book India in Greece:

"Pelasa, the ancient name for the province of Bihar….Pelaska is a derivative form of Pelasa, whence the Greek 'Pelasgos'…

"I have ascertained the existence of Pelasgian tribes; not as vagrant gypsies, but firmly settled as powerful nations, at a period for the most part prior to our historical knowledge of Greece…there was a time when the Pelasgians, then perhaps more widely spread than any other people of Europe, extended from the Po and the Arno, almost to the Bosphorus…The Celts were the descendants of the Pelasgians." (p. 31.)

"So vast were their settlements, and so firmly rooted were the very names of the kingdoms, the nomenclature of the tribes - nay, the religious systems of the oldest forms of society - that I do not scruple to assert that the successive map of Spain, Italy, Greece, Asia Minor, Persia, and India may be read like the chart of an emigrant." (p. 32.)

The YAT'SIMINOLI ("Free People" or Seminoles). Evidently, they were also the "Free People" back in India, for there they were called Yat'Samanala. Yat = "Moving; Traveling." Sama = "Happy; Prosperous." Nala = "A branch of the Yamas or Ashvin Brothers (Phoenicians and Jews).

The MUSKOKIS (Creeks). These were the Phoenician slave caste of Meshechs. In ancient times, they were the terror of the world. They were an especially wild tribe of mongoloid Scythians or Tartars. We Westerners also know them as the Hunas or Huns.The Hindus called them Maheshakas, Rakshasas, Pisacas, and Hunas. When these Meshechs made life impossible for the civilized people of India, Kubera banished them to Sri Lanka. Life in Sri Lanka did nothing to sweeten their collective disposition. Therefore, Kubera packed them in airships and sea-going vessels, taking them to America (Patala).

My guess is that the peaceful Yat'Siminoli, Apalachees, and Yamasees could not stand up to them in the New World. They probably said to themselves, "If we can't beat them, we'll join them."
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<b>Ancient Sanskrit Pictograph near Sedona, Arizona</b>?
<img src='http://www.gci-net.com/users/v/vrartist/chinsespictographs3.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />Sanskrit “om” or “aum” symbol

[G.Subramaniam]

In my DNA thread, I shall prove the link between native americans and Indians
DNA is hard evidence
Everything else is fluffy

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I would appreciate it very much if this thread can be repository of fun facts about India with an American angle. For eg. a) I read somewhere that the US National Anthem was written on a ship built in India. b) The gigantic granite wall with ingraved names of American casualties from the Vietnam war was imported from India c) approx. 7 % of all U.S. physicians are Indian-Americans etc. etc. Please, no unsubtantiated or plain silly claims. We need to spread these fun facts about India all across America. Thanks. Time to <!--emo&:rock--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rock.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='rock.gif' /><!--endemo--> !

[Sunder]

Major fact. America was DISCOVERED because of India. A guy lost his way enroute to India, and Lo and behold, we have America.

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<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Major fact. America was DISCOVERED because of India. A guy lost his way enroute to India, and Lo and behold, we have America. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Next time when Columbus will take his major voyage he will find Indians right here in US. We have saved his long trip to India. <!--emo&--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->

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Interesting thread Reggie.

Here's an interesting article on Francis Scott Keyes - author of the 'Star Spangled Banner'. Had read it in print version some months back.

The name of the British vessel and history around it would be very interesting. Maybe some BR Naval types might know.

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Indian connection to Yale University
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->YALE, Elihu, philanthropist, born in or near Boston, Massachusetts, 5 April, 1649; died in England, 8 July, 1721. His father, David, came to New Haven from England in 1638, but returned in 1651, and was followed in 1652 by his family, including Elihu, who never revisited this country. <b>The son went to the East Indies about 1678, and in 1687-'92 was governor of Fort St. George, Madras. Gov. Yale acquired great wealth in India.</b> On 22 May, 1711, Jeremiah Dummer wrote from London to Governor John Pierpont, then a trustee of the Collegiate school of Connecticut:

<i>" Here is Mr. Yale, formerly governor of Fort George in the Indies, who has got a prodigious estate, and, having no son, now sends for a relation of his from Connecticut to make him his heir. He told me lately that he intended to bestow a charity upon some college in Oxford under certain restrictions which he mentioned. But I think he should much rather do it to your college, seeing he is a New England and, I think, a Connecticut man. If, therefore, when his kinsman comes over, you will write him a proper letter on that subject, I will take care to press it home." </i>

The result was that between 1714 and 1721 Governor Yale gave to the Collegiate school books and money whose total value was estimated at £800. The timeliness of these gifts, rather than their intrinsic value, made them a great aid to the struggling college, and in 1718, after its removal from Saybrook to New Haven, its trustees named the new collegiate building in the latter place Yale college
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I had no idea that the Rashtrpati Bhawan in New Delhi is LARGER and much grander in scale than the palace of Versailles (sp?) in France. Imagine that!

http://presidentofindia.nic.in/panaramicview.html

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<b>First Hindu-Maya cultural dialogue in Guatemala</b><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->One of the most dominant ethnic groups, Kekichi Maya, has always had special attraction for India in the past as their forefathers have told them that the "Naga tribes of Nagaland" were one of the four original branches of the Maya civilization.

It is for these reasons and the similarities between the Aryan and Mayan civilizations, the people of Guatemala for long have been trying to establish contact with Indians and have a cultural dialogue.

The first such dialogue formally gets going at Maya Village, Lake Atitlan in Guatemala on May 29. Lake Atitlan is famous for its natural beauty and colourful Mayan villages.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

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<b>Read on:</b>

Many centuries before prophet Muhammad and the advent of Islam, Arabia or Arabistan was an extremely rich and glorious center of Vedic civilization. In this article, I will prove to you point by point that pre-Islamic Arabia was in fact a flourishing civilization which revered Vedic culture. In fact the Black Stone at the Kaaba is the Lingam of Lord Shiva. Millions of Muslims kiss this sacred emblem of Lord Shiva every day

http://www.vnn.org/editorials/ET0001/ET25-5336.html



India's influence was then at its highest, her culture and religions expanded all the way to Burma, Cambodia, Siam, Ceylon and in the other direction to the Mecca, where Shiva's black lingam was revered by Arabians.

http://www.francoisgautier.com/Written%20M...n%20History.doc

http://www.dialognow.org/node/view/497

http://www.angelfire.com/id2/yaohushua/kes...an/arvedic.html


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