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Implications of expanding Indian success in the west
#61
I have doing some random google searches on ABCDs. Came up with some interesting observations-inspite of the fact that Indian origin americans are not really pick of the dating tree, they apparently hate their desi counterparts with a passion. It appeaes that decades of bombardness of negative publicity has taken it's toll. They share an extremely negative perception of India, and no amount of awareness campaign will make any difference. Apart from a few notable exceptions, all of them identify themselves as "south asian".
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#62
[quote name='balai_c' date='19 September 2012 - 04:48 PM' timestamp='1348053024' post='115872']

I have doing some random google searches on ABCDs. Came up with some interesting observations-inspite of the fact that Indian origin americans are not really pick of the dating tree, they apparently hate their desi counterparts with a passion. It appeaes that decades of bombardness of negative publicity has taken it's toll. They share an extremely negative perception of India, and no amount of awareness campaign will make any difference. Apart from a few notable exceptions, all of them identify themselves as "south asian".

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In US dating, Indian women are 2nd from last, last is black women

18% will date an Indian women, 10% will date a black woman



In US dating, Indian men are dead last

3% will date an Indian man

4% will date a chinese man

5% will date a middle-east muslim
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#63
^^ That makes this apparent show of hubris even more strange. If anything, these kids need us even more. Instead , they are alienating themselves from the old country. People may say colour is irrelevant in USA, but it is alive and kicking.
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#64
[quote name='balai_c' date='20 September 2012 - 11:59 AM' timestamp='1348122089' post='115888']

^^ That makes this apparent show of hubris even more strange. If anything, these kids need us even more. Instead , they are alienating themselves from the old country. People may say colour is irrelevant in USA, but it is alive and kicking.

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The dating culture in the USA is as follows

It strongly resembles the Gond and Bhil Ghotuls of free and irresponsible sex by women



75% of black births are illegitimate

50% of hispanic births are illegitimate

25% of white births are illegitimate



The only men who get dating sex are athletes

The women dont care for education or money ( during teenage )

because the welfare will take care of their illegitimate litter



The white men who cant get a date go for chinese girls who are desperate to sleep with white men and fat white women go for black men



It all depends on how athletic you are, to even get a chance of dating sex



The wise have other means - mail order brides from Ukraine or Thailand or Mexico



or sex with escorts or strippers or massage parlor



or as Sugar daddies, where for between $1k to $5k a month you can get a mistress legally



White women go on sex tours to Africa, even 65 year old grand mothers, to sleep with black men



After 30, the scene changes, the cheerleader now has 2 kids by her jock who has abandoned her. A stable high earning Indian looks suddenly more appealing

A lot of white cougars latch onto younger Indian men. But after 30 their looks fade fast

Compare Madhuri Dixit now vs Heather Locklear now. Madhuri still looks lovely, Heather looks disgusting



The standard Indian with good education and good job has no value in this sexual market place



The ABCD despise the FOB Indian. But it is the FOB Indian traits of thrift, education that has made the parents of the ABCD wealthy



The wider society has not yet figured out that Indians have the highest median income and that would change their value in this market place
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#65
Wow, that is indeed quite a revealing and compelling picture! The sex tourism of white women - I am hearing this the first time. I have also heard that Indian origin women do not usually date white guys. Is that true?



I also did not know about the cougars trying Indian origins these days. That is new information.
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#66
[quote name='balai_c' date='21 September 2012 - 04:08 PM' timestamp='1348223424' post='115914']

Wow, that is indeed quite a revealing and compelling picture! The sex tourism of white women - I am hearing this the first time. I have also heard that Indian origin women do not usually date white guys. Is that true?



I also did not know about the cougars trying Indian origins these days. That is new information.

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Only 18% of white guys will date an Indian woman

The top tier want blonde cheerleaders

The bottom tier want skinny chinese women



Nobody wants Indian women unless they look like bollywood stars



A lot of black guys hit on Indian women



Indian women want a rich guy and most whites are below their family income



Just as white men go on sex tours to Thailand, white women go on sex tours to Jamaica and Kenya.
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#67
Another strange phenomenon I have observed among female ABCD's is a near obsequious acceptance of american universalism,and championing to the point of rammimg down someone's throat. This is followed by scathing critism of anything Indian ranging from social customs to taste in aesthetics, to trend in movies. Occasional condescending praise is thrown in once in a while(though the latter is rarer than mirage in a desert!). This variety of expats are distinctly western, mostly US citizens, given away from by the almost zombie like confidence supported by near religious faith in american exceptionalism. Their perception of the world around them is guided by the dominant ethnicity in US : the WASP variety. Nearly all behave like wannabe whites.



What the do not understand,u is that the bluster of bravado can be easily seen through by any seasoned US watcher, and showthem for what they are : some extremely insecure and vulnerable people, in desperate need of companionship.
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#68
Gsub ji , you said african americans are going after Indian origin women. What do you feel the reason are ? Can this be because both are placed low down on the dating tree ? African americans are known to compensate their perceived lack of confidence stemming from i.q tests, with rumours of tall tale of sexual prowess.
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#69
[quote name='balai_c' date='22 September 2012 - 10:03 AM' timestamp='1348287938' post='115921']

Gsub ji , you said african americans are going after Indian origin women. What do you feel the reason are ? Can this be because both are placed low down on the dating tree ? African americans are known to compensate their perceived lack of confidence stemming from i.q tests, with rumours of tall tale of sexual prowess.

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Black men are much higher on the dating tree than Chinese and Indian men, for sexual reasons



Blacks have a caste system,

Blacks with lighter skin, straighter nose, thinner lips and straight hair are higher caste

and strongly preferred



And Indian women fit the bill, so black men are desperate to date Indian women

A lot of slutty Indian women do date blacks on the sly, and pick up STDs



However, Indian parents strongly disapprove of blacks



Due to the low status of Indians on the dating tree, many are going back to arranged marriage and caste network



In the Indian context, no one really elopes with a laborer

In the US context, there is welfare net, so lots of women sleep with laborer class men
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#70
A stellar example of success of expatriate indians would be that of mauritius, and trinidad & tobago, where Indians actually are placed much higher in the social ladder. Mauritius I believe is run by Indians, while trinidad recently had a female prime minister of Indian origin. These people are much more humble, and willing to maintain connection with old country, unlike haughty and arrogant ABCD's. They are worthy of emulation by every expat Indian, inspite of the low publicity.
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#71
[quote name='G.Subramaniam' date='22 September 2012 - 12:12 AM' timestamp='1348290251' post='115922']

However, Indian parents strongly disapprove of blacks[/quote]



This attitude is only going to increase the outmarriage rate.

If you make something forbidden, people are going to want it more.
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#72
[quote name='Meluhhan' date='22 September 2012 - 07:30 PM' timestamp='1348321956' post='115937']

This attitude is only going to increase the outmarriage rate.

If you make something forbidden, people are going to want it more.

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There are many valid reasons for this



1. The black STD / HIV rate is 10X

2, The black criminality rate is 10X

3. Low IQ of black genes passed onto next gen

4. Black men are non-monogamous. They father babies with dozens of women



Kamala Harris is a Mullatto, her mom was a Tam-bram MD and her father was black MD

The black fathered 2 kids with her mom and abandoned her



Lots of Indian women sleep with blacks on the sly

Lots of Indian women are non-athletic and have low value on the dating market and can only get blacks



Blacks simply want sex, they dont want to get married and wont stay married
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#73
[quote name='G.Subramaniam' date='22 September 2012 - 10:47 AM' timestamp='1348328366' post='115939']

1. The black STD / HIV rate is 10X

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India also has a very high STD/HIV rate.



[quote name='G.Subramaniam' date='22 September 2012 - 10:47 AM' timestamp='1348328366' post='115939']

2, The black criminality rate is 10X

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Do we really commit fewer crimes?

Or are law enforcement agencies simply prosecuting us at a lower rate?



[quote name='G.Subramaniam' date='22 September 2012 - 10:47 AM' timestamp='1348328366' post='115939']

3. Low IQ of black genes passed onto next gen

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If we accept the results of Lynn and Vanhanen, African Americans have a higher IQ (85) than Indians.



[quote name='G.Subramaniam' date='22 September 2012 - 10:47 AM' timestamp='1348328366' post='115939']

4. Black men are non-monogamous. They father babies with dozens of women

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That was also the norm among Hindus until very recently.
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#74
@Meluhhan



India has an STD rate that is 10% that of black Africans in Africa

Indian Americans have STD rate that is 10% of white Americans and 1% of black Americans



Indians live with blacks in UK, USA, Mauritius and Caribbean and Africa, in all these countries , black crime rate is 100X the Indian rate of crime



Indian IQ in India is 82. Black IQ in Africa is 68

Black Americans are genetically 80% black. In USA, black IQ is 85, Indian IQ is 112



In 3rd world countries, IQ is depressed by 10 due to malnutrition etc



In South Africa, Indian IQ is 88, white IQ is 94 and black IQ is 70





Some Hindus used to have polygamy, but 80% of blacks abandon their kids after getting sex, which leads to birth. Hindus dont regularly abandon kids



Even if an Indian girl is dumb enough to marry a black, he wont stay married, Look at Tiger woods
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#77
Calls for Fiji to become an officially Christian state

have been rejected by one of the country's main

Hindu groups. It comes after the president of Fiji's Methodist

Church yesterday said the country was ceded to God

by the chiefs and was therefore a Christian nation. Vijendra Prakash, general secretary of Sanatan

Dharam, told Radio Australia his members would prefer Fiji be a secular state where religion does not

mix with politics. "Because this country is multicultural religion and a

multilingual country, and we have been living so

happily," he said. "All the religious organisations are given respect and

rights and no one is given supremacy over another

or try to undermine the others." Mr Prakash said all citizens had a right to worship,

regardless of their religion. Fiji Methodist Church's new president, Tuikilakila

Waqairatu, on Wednesday said he supported the idea

of of Fiji becoming a Christian state. "Fiji was given to God," he said. "When we say that Fiji is a Christian state ... we say it

was decided by our chiefs who ceded Fiji to Great

Britain that Fiji be a Christian country. "When it was given to God, it has already established

its covenant relationship with God, and that covenant

relationship is eternal - it cannot be withdrawn."





This could the fate of all expat Indians if they do not mend ties with their old country. There is no place like home, after all!
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#78
Meluhhan, why do you - or people in general - bother responding sanely to insane persons? I never understood that.



Always, *always* give a befitting response. That way they get what they deserve, and you wouldn't have waste sense on the insensible and worthless. Plus they don't/can't/won't understand sense, so it's best not to expose them to it, else they will try to dialogue *on* (never a good thing, when all one really wants is that they shut up).



G. Sub hates everyone. He's not just a non-heathen himself, he's moreover an anti-heathen extreme anti-Hindoo. Examples from his statements on IF just this very year:



1. In recent weeks he had called Hindus idiots specifically for worshipping their Hindu Gods (see Partition or Bodo/Assam thread), and demanded for the 2nd time on this forum that Hindus in Bengal - and eventually all over the nation - give up doing pooja to Durga/Kali and Saraswati.

Of course, he has just played the arch-hypocrite by pretending concern about how muslims in Deganga got Hindus to stop their Krishna Arati (as seen in his Recent Update statement: "Islamists stop Krishna Arati in Deganga, mini-Pakistan". As if he gives a tuppence. When in reality, these islamics and G.Sub are not at all different in their objectives: to get the Hindoos to stop worshipping their Gods.



2. He uniformly calls Hindu brahmins of Bengal "fuckerjee-s" or something, even though no *Hindoo* ever married into christoislam. But it's not like G.Sub makes up for it by championing other Hindus. IIRC, he used to go on pretending that "low-caste" Hindus - whoever these are supposed to be - are less intelligent than his own species (=anti-Hindus, obviously).



3. He declared Hindu women are all sluts in that thread on Indian muslims terrorising Hindu women. All because some nationalist "Hindu" leaders had unHindu female relatives who presumably and predictably married their way into islam.



4. Before Hindu women feel offended, they should be aware he doesn't like women in general. He goes out of his way to regularly keep insinuating that European-origin women are "sluts" too. (Continuing his tireless hypocrisy, he is a strong advocate for frequenting exotic dancers - "lap dancers" as he refers to them - who he then disparages as "sluts" since he had to pay for their services. Except they're in the business to make a living, whereas no one is forcing him to terrorise them with his patronage.) You see, any unmarried human female who mates with anyone else (other than G.Submarine) is a "slut" by definition to G.Substring, yet G.String sees no hypocrisy in considering himself free to pursue all opportunities to mate (which he refers to above as "dating sex") no matter how desperate and superficial.

G.String is at a loss how all women - Hindu and other - are immune to his misogynistic...charms (his is the textbook case of misogynism, and once sees exactly the same arguments in a lot of repressed internet males of the species, though they're usually of the angry western variety). Personally, I suspect his misogyny and other forms of bigotry are probably considered major turn-offs by the general population of human females - though I could of course be wrong.





Considering all the above - and the fact that G.String doesn't even like his own ancestors (as they were presumably Hindus) - is it any wonder that he would be a racist too, spewing at those of African-origins for being of African origin.





By the way, he was wrong about Indian parents having particular issues with Indians marrying African-origin people. I can't speak for all Indians, but the Hindu families I personally know - and this is a decent number - have issues with their offspring marrying *any* non-Hindu (they don't accept "converts" either: they have issues with anyone of non-Hindu ethnicity marrying into their family).



Among those Indian families settled overseas, in those cases where children do end up marrying out with persons of non-Indian origin, some of the parents eventually just learn to live with it. I know one Sri Lankan Hindu whose anti-Hindu (and even anti-Indian) daughter married a European-origin man. Her parents explained that from from childhood she insisted she wouldn't marry an Indian - oh what a loss Confusedarcasm:. Then there's another Sri Lankan girl of Hindu origin (mother's a Hindoo, dad's a "secular" anti-Hindu 'Hindu', brother's married to a SL christist and was never a Hindu and *their* son is already baptised). The girl herself has agreed to her parents matchmaking her with a SL male: anything is welcome, she told me, as long as it's not a Hindu. She has intimated that SL christians, like her brother's wife, are most free to apply, and that her allergy is exclusively to Hindoos. The fault lies with the mother's choice of husband, although it wasn't really the mother's fault: hers was an arranged marriage. But the consequences are owing to the usual: unless both parents are (native) *heathens* kids usually have about 0% chance to turn out heathens themselves.



This anti-Hinduism among some Indians settled overseas is owing to 1. innate weakness of individuals own character; 2. a curious tendency in deheathenised/unheathen Indians to loathe their inherited identity. [:good riddance:]



Having said that, many Hindoos still marry only their own: e.g. my sister, one of her friends, my own best friend and her friend. A few marry out: at times they are seen marrying E Asian hyper-heathens - which is really the next best thing. A few marry western agnostics or atheists (of the non-militant type) - who will never be dabblers since they fortunately have 0 interest in Hindu religion :phew: While I'd rather Hindoos not marry western people even when these are your typical goody-two-shoes agnostics - because it does spell death to the Hindoo line - even this option is infinitely better than Hindoos being married off to de-heathenised "Hindus" from Hindoo families (just because the parents can't tell that the prospective bride/groom is not Hindoo themselves), let alone Hindoos marrying anti-Hindoo "Hindu" nationalists. Because Hindoos marrying de-Hinduised or anti-Hindoo "Hindus" is exactly the same as marrying into christoislam: it's death to Hindoo religion.



One Kannadiga anti-Hindu dude of Hindoo parentage (well, his mother's very much heathen, the dad's not: agnostic) insisted on marrying a Hindoo female of his own community imported straight from India. Though he did try dating others first: no one wanted him, hence his sudden turn for arranged marriages.

I've spoken to his Hindoo wife - I don't know Kannda, but she knows some Tamizh, which is fortunate for me. She's an *extreme* heathen. Her husband constantly insults her - insults her heathenism - in English, including in my presence, and imagines she does not understand. I'd have insulted him back, of course - at a minimum - but I didn't need to be a telepath to see that *that* would have hurt her. Instead, I just kept saying that all those very things he was making fun of her doing, were things I did too - i.e. I identified with *her* not with him, thus making him the odd man out in the company.

I think she's gradually realised her future is dead. He's killed it good and dead. She's going to give birth to their first child shortly. Despite her hyper-heathenism, it's likely to swing either way, since its extreme anti-Hindu dad is very much interested in not letting it be raised a Hindu.



The couple is the latest in line of many Indian 'Hindu' couples of this kind that I've noticed.



As always, the blame lies with the Hindoo parents of both the woman and her husband: they should have bothered to find out that the groom was not a Hindu (*his* parents did know, but the mother wanted a Hindoo daughter-in-law, because she's a Hindoo herself). The girl's own parents never bothered to find out about the boy himself. They just did the usual: find out that the prospective spouse comes from a good, settled, working family and that the parents [one parent, in this case] is a Hindu who speaks well of the son (as they need to to get their child married off). I can't forgive anyone involved for destroying that poor heathen girl's future. Should have married her off to a Hindoo male in their own neighbourhood in India.



Really, Hindus don't need to find fault with christoislam stealing their kids. They blindly marry their own kids away into anti-Hindoo-ism.





Anyway back to G.Substring. He's just the usual Indian "Hindu" nationalist who hates Hindoos and their Hindoo religion. That he hates everybody else too is just more par for the course.



Hindoos really, really, *really* need to differentiate between Hindoos - i.e. the heathen Hindus - and those who call themselves Hindu. Hindoos should never allow themselves to associate with, let alone follow the deheathenised 'Hindus'. Pure "nationalism" (which is always a Replacement for Hindoos' religion) is another thing that is destroying Hindu religion, and which is hijacking Hindoos' interests for its own. The reason the self-declared 'Hindu' nationalists don't care about Hindoos is because they're not Hindoos themselves and don't like Hindoos either. Their demands and dislikes align with that of christoislamania. All enemies of Hindoos always behave the same and always want the same: that Hindoos stop being Hindoos. The only difference is that the "Hindu" nationalists get away with it because they call themselves Hindu.





Said G.String, who frequents exotic dancers and advocates others do so too (even as he hurls abuses at them and women in general):

Quote:Blacks simply want sex, they dont want to get married and wont stay married

Utter rubbish. There are lots of Africans - emigrated from Africa - living where I now live. Some of them are unmarried as they are in still in their very early twenties, but others are married (mostly to people from their own country). I've seen them walk around the campus with their spouse, with their infants in tow (nestled in prams) - when I wink or wave at their babies, it's not just the kids but the parents always wave back at me too. It's all quite like my parents used to carry us about everywhere. It's obvious their relationships are stable and that mating is only one aspect of their human lives, as it is for all humans in general.



In contrast, it's G.String who is demonstrably the person with a one-track mind: every time he talks about women it has something do with mating (and his bitterness about the matter). Plus G.String shouldn't be allowed to marry [women] since he hates women. Here's hoping he won't be reproducing at all: hate to think his primary traits of bigotry (racism, misogyny, etc) get passed onto further generations to torment the future the way he's tormenting the present. Ugh.



Just because people at IF have given up responding to G.String's inanities on various matters doesn't mean everyone here agrees with him, or that they share his insane opinions in any way/shape/form. Some people are just not worth talking to. Associating with them just feels Yuck.



In any case, as for myself and unless otherwise stated, the rule is: *I* disagree with everything "G.Sub" says.
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#79
^^ The best way to improve yhe girl's life might be to divorce the guy once the child grows up. Otherwise , she would be dead from the inside. Speaking from experience , I know of several families among my relatives and aquaintance in Bengal, which mirrors your story: father a staunch "rationalist", anti-hindu, abusive, while the mother was hyper hindu-heathen. The children, because of the hatred of father, followed their mother. Yes, I agree with you that we need to find out if their prospective bride or groom is anti-hindu or heathen or not. That is far more important ghan sticking to kinship.
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#80
[quote name='Husky' date='23 September 2012 - 12:07 AM' timestamp='1348376345' post='115969']

Before Hindu women feel offended, they should be aware he doesn't like women in general. He goes out of his way to regularly keep insinuating that European-origin women are "sluts" too. (Continuing his tireless hypocrisy, he is a strong advocate for frequenting exotic dancers - "lap dancers" as he refers to them - who he then disparages as "sluts" since he had to pay for their services. Except they're in the business to make a living, whereas no one is forcing him to terrorise them with his patronage.) You see, any unmarried human female who mates with anyone else (other than G.Submarine) is a "slut" by definition to G.Substring, yet G.String sees no hypocrisy in considering himself free to pursue all opportunities to mate (which he refers to above as "dating sex") no matter how desperate and superficial.

G.String is at a loss how all women - Hindu and other - are immune to his misogynistic...charms (his is the textbook case of misogynism, and once sees exactly the same arguments in a lot of repressed internet males of the species, though they're usually of the angry western variety). Personally, I suspect his misogyny and other forms of bigotry are probably considered major turn-offs by the general population of human females - though I could of course be wrong.[/quote]

You know, this reminds me of a [url="http://vedabase.net/sb/12/2/3/en"]verse[/url] from the Srimad Bhagavatam, where VyAsa Mahamuni describes the symptoms of the Kaliyuga:



Quote:dāmpatye 'bhirucir hetur

māyaiva vyāvahārike

strītve puḿstve ca hi ratir

vipratve sūtram eva hi



TRANSLATION

Men and women will live together merely because of superficial attraction, and success in business will depend on deceit. Womanliness and manliness will be judged according to one's expertise in sex, and a man will be known as a brāhmaṇa just by his wearing a thread.
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